r/languagelearning • • 1h ago

Discussion what thing is the "rite of passage" for the language you're learning?

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i started learning japanese around two months ago and i think from complete beginner to okay-ish beginner it's learning the difference between these katakana while reading something (TL)


r/languagelearning • • 16h ago

Bilingual language improvement help

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I have an unusual situation and would love some input and suggestions for anyone in a similar situation or who have useful ideas.

I was born in the UK, raised by Polish parents, my first language was Polish and I didnt start learning English till I went to school.

As a teen I stopped speaking Polish at home but usually speak mostly in Polish with my mum now as an adult.

I can get by fine when in Poland but I am very conscious my vocabulary is poor and my understanding of sentence construction is also poor, I am pretty confident I translate from English in my head so I sound obviously foreign.

My reading is essentially non existent, I can read but very slowly and because I am a really fast reader in English I give up almost right away. My writing isnt great either, again it takes me a lot of concentration so again I usually dont bother.

I would really like to improve my Polish, I did take classes as a teen but they would base lessons on grammar and that is something else I dont really understand, I often know what verb endings to use naturally, so I stopped attending.

I'd love some input on what I should focus on to improve and any other insight or tips.

Thank you! (TL)


r/languagelearning • • 16h ago

Discussion Should I get a Spanish tutor for help with speaking?

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Hello, I’ve been doing intense in class Spanish studying for 4 months, 20H/W in Spain. I’m really understanding the structure of the language, tenses, spelling when working in the book etc. However,I’m struggling with speaking and vocabulary, which I know is very common.
Learning vocabulary is an issue because I’m not using the words repetitively in daily life. For example, I’m just fine ordering food, making appointments, shopping, reading signs because I have that contextual practice. I’m starting to watch TV and read the news so I get exposed to the same words over and over via audio and words on a screen/page. (TL)

Where I need help is actually taking all the things I’m learning in class and speaking it with people. I’m wondering if having a private tutor will help me understand how to put all the words together. I have friends who are native Spanish speakers and they’re very patient when I spanglish our conversations but I’m a babbling 4 year old in our conversation using the wrong/no tense, demonstratives, adjectives etc. However, they can’t correct me as much as I need and they can’t exactly tell me WHY something is wrong when we’re running around on a futbol pitch or at a bar. I’m painly slow putting together a sentence and in a social setting it’s just not reasonable waiting 90-120 seconds for me to say “I‘m tired because I had class all day. It’s hard but I like it.“
I’m thinking if I pay someone to sit with me for an hour or two and wait for me to piece together sentences and is able to correct me as I go will help me break through.

TLDR:
I’m learning Spanish in Spain I’m currently in A2 classes but feel stuck in A1 when speaking. I’m trying to do all the things suggested:
-Studying in class 20H/W for 4 months
-Flash cards of words I find I actually need while living here
-Watching TV in Spanish with Spanish or English subs
-Reading in Spanish with audio, looking up words when needed.
-Speaking with native speakers
-Doing daily life in Spanish as much as I can. (groceries, appointments etc)
-My partner is fluent in Spanish and helps when they can but they’re very busy.

I don’t know how much more immersed I can get! hahahaha

I’m feeling stuck in a low A1 speaking level. Struggling to say more than How I’m feeling and if I like something in a very rudimentary way with poor grammar.
Will paying someone actually help me speed up my speaking in a way that’s worth the money or should I just go to those speaking meetups and talking to my Spanish speaking friends?


r/languagelearning • • 3h ago

Discussion Can you truly “fluently” listen and read without being able to speak?

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It's well known that fluent speakers of a language have a “predictive engine”, the brain forecasts where a sentence is likely to go before it goes there. With every word it hears, it builds up a tree of likely possible candidates of the remainder of the sentence and prunes this tree again by eliminating possibilities after each word to the point of a sentence actually going in a completely unlikely and bizarre submarine, ehh, I mean direction shows up in brain scans as causing all kind of neurological spikes.

It stands to reason that this ability is what truly drives making reading and listening “easy”. It also stands to reason that this engine is based on the same underlying principle of being able to speak a language and output it and that it re-uses much of the same mechanisms to produce. After all, surely if one can predict the sentences of others one can just speak oneself. At the very least the opposite should happen? It therefore to me seems that “receptive bilinguals” that can understand sentences but cannot speak that most likely lack this engine, but I'm not sure how truthful that is, maybe it is possible to have it without being able to speak a language.

But what I do know is that I clearly lack this engine to a large degree for Japanese (TL) while having it in English to the same level as my native language. This is not a binary thing and I clearly have it for many common grammatical patterns but not for others but if I hear “助けな〜” in a certain context I just know already that “助けなくちゃいけない。”, “助けないと” or “助けなければならない” or something in that vein will follow. I'm sure people whose Japanese is far better than mine go one step further and by recognizing that some of them would not be natural in that context would not consider them possibilities.

This for me at least leads to an interesting situation when I consume whatever Japanese media and that is that there is a delay in comprehension. I only understand Japanese sentences about maybe 500 miliseconds after they are fully uttered and I heard the entire sentence. A more proficient speaker will understand them while half way through because he can predict the rest of the sentence already then. This is very much my experience with English or my native language. And I in fact do regularly output and am very much “conversation” in Japanese, just not “fluent” by any measure.

So, what's the deal here with receptive bilinguals? Are they actually truly capable of “fluently listening” without this predictive engine? Do they maybe have it after all even though they can't output? I've seen many people in Japanese language learning say they can “easily” listen to something and understand some text all the while seeing them make grave mistakes in their interpretation of which I'm like “I cannot see how you can say that this is “easy” to listen to for you if you weren't even aware of that grammar point and what it does here because if you don't know that your Japanese is surely worse than mine.”.

Can anyone chime in on this? Does anyone here actually feel that some language is truly as easy to listen to as their native language without this measurable “comprehension lag” that they can read just as quickly while also being unable to speak it and whether they feel they do have that predictive engine even though they cannot harness it to output?