Helldivers 2 gets hit by yet another review bomb as Easy Anti Cheat breaks the game's most ambitious mods

[u/Wargulf]

https://frvr.com/blog/news/helldivers-2-gets-hit-by-yet-another-review-bomb-as-easy-anti-cheat-breaks-the-games-most-ambitious-mods/

[u/Naddesh]

For context: some of those mods fixed long-standing bugs and issues. They fixed hellpod steering and strategem bouncing. Those were QOL issues and without those the game is kinda miserable to play - ragdoll yeeting stuff on the other end of the map, your strategem bouncing off a flat plane to land where it can't hit anything, not being able to land where you want because of a dumb invisible wall...

[u/CombatMuffin → u/Naddesh]

To be clear: the stratagem bouncing is, at least by the devs' statements, intentional.

There is a good portion of the playerbase that doesn't like it, because they want to aim those stratagems reliably, but at least going by the initial premise of the game, you are meant to mess up often. This includes friendly fire and blowing yourself up.

That's not to say the complaint isn't valid, players want and like what they will, but it does explain how a that particular thing is not a bug but a feature, and why it has remained from launch, years later.

[u/IPlay4E → u/CombatMuffin]

To be clear; the devs have stated that while intentional, they are still bugged and not working as intended.

[u/AltusIsXD → u/IPlay4E]

They also claimed to have a team working on the issue.. at, like. The start of this year now? With no progress reported.

[u/NekCing → u/AltusIsXD]

Yeah this was back in June

[u/-Eastwood- → u/AltusIsXD]

Which is even funnier when you learn it's just a single line of code you can turn off in the files iirc.

[u/speelmydrink → u/-Eastwood-]

A single line they put in, and then pretended like it's a big bug that they've been fighting with all year. Don't know what's up with Arrowhead needing to fuckin' lie about the shit they put in the game constantly.

[u/-Eastwood- → u/speelmydrink]

I knew they had no clue what they were doing when the first patch they put out nerfed the railgun instead of addressing the hordes of chargers and the fact that every other strat weapon at the time was useless.

[u/Nathan_Thorn → u/AltusIsXD]

Ok despite no progress reported, from actually playing the game, they’ve slowly patched a lot of the most egregious spots. Certain spread democracy objectives and most/all evacs have had their issues completely fixed, the devs just for some reason haven’t felt a need to highlight it. They’re making progress. They’re just doing a bad job with PR.

[u/Professional_Nugget → u/CombatMuffin]

Eh, sorta. Stratagems are only supposed to bounce in certain "exploitable" areas of the map. But there's plenty of times that your stratagems bounce when they clearly should not, it's obviously an actual game issue.

I absolutely love HD 2 (750ish hours) but there's some blatantly ego-driven problems with Arrowhead - epecially surrounding QoL problems that they seemingly refuse to even try to address

[u/Naddesh → u/CombatMuffin]

This is a cop-out because for the longest time strategem bouncing was on Arrowhead's list of "Known Issues" on the forum. It makes this excuse from them feel really flimsy.

[u/Seeker-N7 → u/Naddesh]

The issue with bouncing is that strategems bounce on places where they shouldn't. This is the "known issue" not the existence of bouncing.

AFAIK the terrain geometry is often fucked on a technical level that causes excessive bouncing.

[u/Aileen_Leith → u/CombatMuffin]

Issue with messing up often is that the second game tries too hard. It's hysterical, when my incompetent ass accidentally warps into friend, and then friend’s corpse explodes and kills me because of an armor passive, but it’s annoying, when turret is stalking you while idling, to increase its chances for le funny teamkill, or when beacon, marking deployment of last supply available before destroyer departure, which is REALLY needed by your team to survive extraction timer just suddenly jumps like a rubber ball and falls into huge enemy crowd somewhere under your position. Fails in HD1 didn’t felt as forced for some reason, I think because it was isometric, all four players were on the same screen, everything was on more or less same plane, thus making accidental friendly fires more likely to happen naturally and had infinite reinforcements, thus you didn’t had that annoying feeling, that you are losing limited resource to some rng bullshit, but still could fail mission easily, if there are no team members alive, because there are no auto reinforcements

[u/PM_ME_UR_TOTS → u/CombatMuffin]

I know I'm a bit in the minority but I kinda like the uncooperative stratagem bouncing, but mainly because I play fast and loose and think it's really funny when things don't go to plan.

You know how many times I've carelessly thrown a strategem and started fighting something, only for the turret to come down and kill me? It's so gd funny, every time.

Afterthought: and then you get to experience those awesome moments where EVERYTHING has gone wrong, nothing's gone the way it's supposed to, and your team pulls it off right at the buzzer anyway. Hot damn those are the moments that make video games worth playing.

[u/TealcLOL → u/CombatMuffin]

Stratagem bouncing has been a "top priority known issue" listed in some of the earliest ever patchnotes from 2024 and beyond.

[u/_Bearcat29 → u/Naddesh]

Played yesterday without the big QoL mod... Wow. I forgot how bad the game is without and I only used it for like 1 tenth of my time in the game? I've done my part with the review.. hopefully it will work like for War thunder in 2023 I believe. Let's see

[u/ditch_lilies → u/Naddesh]

I’ve played 1,000 hours on PS5 since a few months after the game came out, so no mods of course, and I’ve never felt the game is “kinda miserable to play”.

I’ve only ever had strats bounce where it made sense (smooth flat rock). It feels like an intentional choice, which I’m fine with. The Hellpod steering would be nice if it let us steer atop tall spots, but that again feels intentional and I’m ok with that too. Camping all day can make things too easy.

Having been part of the community for so long it’s been sad to watch YouTubers rile up a minority of players into just frothing levels of hatred. Someone once said to me in dead seriousness that “the devs are on the side of pain and misery”.

Objective complaints are great. This (not your reply here, to be clear) has gone way beyond that for that loud minority for some time now. 103,000 players were on when I was yesterday and I doubt that even half of them would agree with the out-there takes I’ve seen.

[u/a_man_has_a_name → u/Naddesh]

And some others were cosmetics and a lot were hacks.

[u/HelpIcy5415]

Anti-cheats for a Coop PvE game? Lmao.

[u/xypin → u/HelpIcy5415]

I don't want anti-cheat, but playing Monster Hunter (World, Wilds), it's wild to me when you get a cheater in a public lobby and the target dies almost instantly. Just do that offline if you want to cheat that badly... And even if you do, you might as well just cheat in items in the first place, why even go through the effort of joining a lobby?

I will never understand those players.

[u/slimeyellow → u/xypin]

Yeah one time some exploiter joined my Elden ring lobby and marked all my content as complete and all my bosses as killed, basically ruined my entire save

[u/detailteufel → u/xypin]

Yeah idk why people are trying to ridicule anti cheat for coop games, do they live behind a rock? There are large amounts of people who will ruin the fun for everyone by giving them cheated resources without anyone asking them, essentially making the whole game pointless for a player immediately.

[u/Mr_ToDo → u/detailteufel]

As I recall, back in the day the solution was to offer both options

Play anti-cheat if you want a protected solution, and a raw one for those that would rather not(or had gotten themselves banned from from the anti-cheat system)

[u/GoldenPigeonParty → u/detailteufel]

I imagine because the simple solution is to drop that mission and start another.

The problem is saturation. Having to drop one game a month versus seeing one or two per day, even two back to back. It really has risen, and quickly. They had to do something before it became unmanageable.

[u/yay-iviss → u/GoldenPigeonParty]

Can make a sense if you know that is being cheated, and the game has the option to remove everything earned by cheat.

This is not the case in games like deep rock galactic, that you cannot know if someone have cheated, and someone can even give resources for you and there is nothing you can do, until you learns that is a cheat.

[u/detailteufel → u/GoldenPigeonParty]

In helldiver's once you get matched with someone who cheats resources you will receive 999 of each currency after the mission is over and then you never have to work towards unlocking anything again. So I have no idea what you are talking about the solution is definitely not to just leave the lobby.

[u/Discorhy → u/GoldenPigeonParty]

Lol in some games they give penalties for leaving the lobby.

[u/No_Okra9230 → u/detailteufel]

They're selfish and only care about their own experience

[u/Remnant_Echo → u/xypin]

The only thing I can imagine is they're achievement chasing and trying to get the "Complete X amount of multiplayer hunts", although it makes literally zero sense to insta kill the monster in a late game hunt when they could easily just join the starter hunt with overpowered gear and finish it 100 times and be done.

[u/Zii23 → u/xypin]

My thought to this is why even play the game then. If you cheat in items that are hard to get you’ve cut out the grind and content leading to that item.

[u/MoistProlapse → u/Zii23]

Depends on how bad the grind is.

Dune awakening has a fucking shit grind, no matter the difficulty. There were actually blueprints that you could literally not get. They didn't fix that until recently, long after they knew about the blueprints not being in the loot table.

Remember the Battlefront 2 grind before the backlash? Over 2,000 hours to unlock 1 character, and would take years to unlock all of them. Or you could spend over $2,000, per character, which would be a morons goal.

They eventually backtracked that, after the backlash because of EAs response in the most down voted comment in reddit history.

So there are times where the grind is just absolutely fucking stupid.

[u/Makisani → u/HelpIcy5415]

Tbh there is people that join lobbies to ruin your game, mess with your stats and currency

[u/MoistProlapse → u/Makisani]

The most infuriating is when you're near extraction, and lobby leader kicks everyone else, and you're left holding your dick in your hand, gaining absolutely nothing from the half hour or so of what you played.

[u/Komikaze06 → u/HelpIcy5415]

They just need to do what DRG does, have a setting for modded parties or vanilla parties.

[u/Objective-Rip3008 → u/Komikaze06]

Drg doesn't allow you to farm in game resources to buy the premium content, they just sell cosmetic packs you can't earn in game. Different business model entirely that doesn't translate, if they just opened modded parties and said anyone who joins the mod parties gets unlimited premium currency to buy every warbond no one would play vanilla

[u/klodmoris → u/Objective-Rip3008]

You can also just cheat the cosmetic pacs into the game and the only way to be found out is if you use a dev or streamer unique armor and get reported by another user who notices that

At least that was the way it qprked a couple yeara ago when I played

[u/NekCing → u/Objective-Rip3008]

The new anti-cheat has been broken through and people can just cheat in SC again because EAC is meh, so now they still have cheater problem anyway AND some people are unable to launch their games, one step forward then an impressive sommersault backwards.

[u/Objective-Rip3008 → u/NekCing]

I'm not shocked lol I played a lot of helldivers for like the first year and the game has always been a complete mess

[u/smalliesdickies → u/Komikaze06]

People have used DRG as an example in the helldivers subreddit and im telling yall that shit doesnt work

Vanilla player can still join modded lobby. It always annoy me when i accidentally join a modded lobby cuz people dont mark their lobby as modded and my potato laptop get nuked from the increased mobs spawn. One time i got a player using semi automatic "fat boy" grenade launcher (nuke launcher). Mfs digged a big ass tunnel through the entire map using that damn thing

[u/Vesuvias → u/HelpIcy5415]

Surprising amount of cheaters in Helldivers. They know no limits…

[u/ShermansAngryGhost → u/Vesuvias]

They’re so fucking open and blatant about their cheating too. It’s wild what that community has become.

[u/Dewbs301 → u/ShermansAngryGhost]

Because there are no report for cheating options in the game.

[u/Teyanis → u/ShermansAngryGhost]

Helldivers has the worst community on the entire internet. They've long since eclipsed the toxicity of old moba communities.

Everything AH says or does causes a riot. They're rabid and angry all the time. There's no pleasing them. Its made worse by the fact that AH is the most useless and glacial dev AAA team I'm aware of. Even dice releases new patches faster than them.

[u/_Bearcat29 → u/Vesuvias]

Can you explain what you mean by cheaters? Because from what I saw, 300h+ on D10, never saw one once.

[u/Kiriima → u/_Bearcat29]

I saw once a player using infinite grenades glitch. Booted him out from my game.

[u/_Bearcat29 → u/Kiriima]

The only mod I used was vanilla plus mega pack which is QoL mod imo. But yeah those mod in open lobby is cheating. Even more those who gives SC but they seems to be pretty rare.

[u/emil133 → u/_Bearcat29]

So i saw a guy replace stalwart rounds with Autocannon rounds for starters, and i mean like without the recoil. With that being said, most of the mods people were using were QoL mods that are now useless from what it seems.

[u/Toxicmonkeydude → u/HelpIcy5415]

yeah? if you make your character OP it ruins the fun for everyone else in the lobby.

[u/complexiblebarracuda → u/HelpIcy5415]

The fact people cheat in it at all is crazy stupid

some do it just to grief and kill their squad

[u/Cloud_N0ne → u/HelpIcy5415]

Cheaters were ruining the experience for people.

Some of us wanna earn our stuff, not be given it by cheaters

[u/TheSexyKamil → u/Cloud_N0ne]

Don't understand the hate for this comment. Had the 3rd mission in a campaign ruined by a cheater that just mowed down everything.
I'm not playing on helldive for the scenery, I want to overcome a challenge.

[u/TNBrealone → u/HelpIcy5415]

Coop Game were cheaters ruin your experience and game. What you don’t understand?

[u/Noble_Delta → u/HelpIcy5415]

Arrowhead (the devs) are crying about premium currency mods that give it to them after missions automatically. Also, the devs have no way of banning people and no real way of a report system...

[u/zirj → u/HelpIcy5415]

Anti cheats for an ONLINE MULITPLAYER EXPERIENCE. You COULD play it co-op.

[u/padwani → u/HelpIcy5415]

Only because people figure dout how to spawn premium currency or made mode that made it easier to farm.

Only time Arrowhead fixes their game is when it affects their bottom line.

Meanwhile the game has like 250 bugs that have been present for over a year. The devs outsource all of their content and don't test anything.

Vox engines were on the game for 6 months before they even patched any issues with them despite being release without being tested.

[u/Maxx2245 → u/padwani]

Nah. I've been in games with people who had those mods, and they can get applied partywide, without consent. Shit was working differently or outright breaking. You shouldn't be able to modify other people's game without their consent.

[u/Crosknight → u/HelpIcy5415]

They don’t want cheaters spawning in a shit load of super creds, gotta keep people paying

[u/poppin-n-sailin → u/HelpIcy5415]

I take it youve never played these types of games where a cheater joins your lobby. It ruins the game so fast. Im glad you've never dealt with this sort of thing before but it happens a lot. It happens in PvE games all the time. I had a match in nightrein where someone joined with cheated items. They were one shotting bosses and enemies. It wasn't fun at all. If you leave the match you get hit with a penalty for leaving. You're stuck waiting for it to be over to report them. I hope you learned something today. Insane you already didn't realize this before. 

[u/Skunk668 → u/poppin-n-sailin]

I hope you learned something today. Insane you already didn't realize this before.

I think you can remove these sentences and it will improve your optics.

[u/Trajan_pt → u/HelpIcy5415]

Yeah, because dumb mother fukers cheat on those games too.

[u/LeastResistancePath → u/HelpIcy5415]

I was recently given about 1000 SC and 250 Medals in a match with a cheater. It felt dirty, but I decided not to buy the next warband with cash because of it. 

[u/Sock989]

They sure do love a review bomb. Kinda loses meaning this far into a games life.

[u/IssaJoke-DontCry → u/Sock989]

Eh, Steam page separates all reviews from recent reviews. Normally recent reviews are what flags people the most as well.

[u/RichSexyVeryHumble → u/Sock989]

In like the first 3 months after release the main subreddit splintered with the secondary one aimed at actually enjoying the game instead of complaining.

Good to see nothing has changed

[u/Sonkalino → u/RichSexyVeryHumble]

HD2 has the most balkanised reddit community I've ever seen, it has like what, 15 subs?

[u/CompanyToiletGooner → u/Sonkalino]

More balkanized than actual balkans

[u/TheGr8Slayer → u/Sonkalino]

It’s because people didn’t actually want what Helldivers was offering and have spent 2 years trying to get “their” version out into the world. It’s killed that game for me.

[u/The-Green → u/TheGr8Slayer]

i don't think helldivers 2 even knows what helldivers 2 is offering judging by the crazy cycles the game had over the years.

[u/TheGr8Slayer → u/The-Green]

It knew in the beginning and people refused to learn the game before complaining. There were 9 difficulties that were pretty solidly balanced imo but they had to destroy that version of the game to appease a wider audience that they never expected to have. Nowadays it’s just a Frankensteined mess of trying to make too many different groups happy.

[u/CapableCollar → u/The-Green]

It doesn't, developers and PR people have had conflicting messages on it and different developer teams work on different elements so an update will release to solve a problem and also make the problem worse because neither team could agree on if it was even a problem.

[u/The-Cunt-Spez → u/TheGr8Slayer]

Sounds like what Arc Raiders is going through tbh

[u/CapableCollar → u/RichSexyVeryHumble]

The secondary subreddit that claimed the bugs causing the game to freeze didn't exist even after the devs acknowledged it.

[u/GeneralBullshit → u/CapableCollar]

I remember maybe two or three months after launch there were back to back 2 weekends where 2 bugs were preventing players from playing, the secondary sub was cheering that the devs were making them “touch grass”. A “they can do no wrong” mindset is just as bad as chronic complaints.

[u/Happy-Gnome → u/RichSexyVeryHumble]

Idk everyone was having so much fun I joined up and bought the game excited for basically space doom blowing fucking shit away only to find they nerfed like all the really big boom fun shit

[u/Lunch_Boxx → u/RichSexyVeryHumble]

Isn’t this true for just about every game sub?

[u/_Bearcat29 → u/Sock989]

I mean, the immense war thunder review bombing happen 10 years into the game life. And kinda worked (at least at the time)

[u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS → u/Sock989]

Is it “review bombing” or just… reviewing?

Regardless of why someone leaves a review, they have a Xenu-given right to have a voice and leave a review.

Review Bombing is just a PR spin on bad reviews. Those bad reviews are still valid, even if you see them as childish or petty.

[u/Baxxtabb → u/INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS]

Review bombing does exist. When you review something disingenuously negative, it is review bombing.

[u/TheGrimmBorne → u/Baxxtabb]

What decides on what’s disingenuously negative? The current “review bomb” is due to changes that have negatively effected a lot of players time playing the game, id say if the game has changed for the worse you should leave a negative review

[u/Nickulator95 → u/Sock989]

For a live service game that's constantly changing and evolving, recent reviews are much more helpful and insightful than overall reviews imho.

[u/CascadianCanopy → u/Sock989]

Tbf HD2 is one of the few successful live service games so I can see it having an impact but it is kinda overblown in this context

[u/TheGr8Slayer → u/Sock989]

It lost meaning after the second time. They just throw tantrums nowadays.

[u/ChefCurryYumYum]

Is it really a "review bomb" when it's people expressing displeasure with a real aspect of the game?

[u/MadeByTango → u/ChefCurryYumYum]

Its always been language designed to make legitimate customer complaints look like trolls. Stupid as fuck for anyone ot use that isnt a c-suite asshole.

[u/Hundschent → u/MadeByTango]

A lot of average gamers are genuine cattle with a parasocial relationship with their x corporation or game. It’s not a surprise they use hostile terms and language made to make them look bad proudly.

[u/MoistProlapse → u/ChefCurryYumYum]

No. No it is not.

[u/adobo_bobo]

Modding ettiquete is a lost art these days.

[u/BlckSm12]

They also killed Linux support and the way they handled the anticheat is dogshit, when you have other anticheats for other games installed it refuses to launch

[u/ZamorakLovesAll → u/BlckSm12]

It killed Linux support? Ffs

[u/NekCing → u/ZamorakLovesAll]

The new anti-cheat is EAC, which already has an infamy with the Linux community, though i heard not all Linux divers are affected, which is kind of a headache, at least with a blanket issue, the core of the problem is probably easier to figure out.

[u/Recipe-Jaded → u/NekCing]

EAC has had Linux support for a long time now. The game runs fine for me

[u/BlckSm12 → u/ZamorakLovesAll]

Yeah, the game launches (when it wants to) but crashes all the time very randomly. sometimes after 20 seconds, sometimes after you talk to the DO, sometimes when you try to open the galactic map, sometimes when you open the warbond tab (my record was 8 minutes in game xD). When you fix one thing five other just pop up. It's genuinely not worth your time if you have a backlog of games

[u/MrHappyHam → u/BlckSm12]

Goddamn.

I wasn't planning on returning to it but I guess I don't have a choice for now

[u/Pyromaniacal13 → u/MrHappyHam]

They didn't. Switch from Proton Experimental to Proton Stable in Steam properties and you're good.

Source: I had to do the above.

[u/BlckSm12 → u/Pyromaniacal13]

didn't work for me, shame. well it is what it is

[u/Pyromaniacal13 → u/BlckSm12]

Damn.

[u/Fly1ngSquid → u/MrHappyHam]

CachyOS player here. It's pretty unstable, but Arrowhead have stated that they intend to continue support for Linux and Steam Deck. I've completed a few missions, but it's admittedly about 50/50 if you can make it to the end without a crash.

You can still play currently if you're stubborn enough, but if you want a better experience I'd recommend waiting a week and see if it gets better.

[u/Appropriate_Crow7234 → u/BlckSm12]

Have you tried to change your proton version ? The game is running fine on experimental for me, they also were explicity in confirming that linux should run on linux after the anticheat change

[u/Recipe-Jaded → u/ZamorakLovesAll]

No, it didn't

[u/Gold_Goal7557]

This just shows the game needs official mod support

[u/Snotnarok]

I don't like cheating and a few folks sure did abuse the system - the thing is?

That the devs broke their game's systems, you can't land hellpods where you want to as they actively fight you from landing on higher ground- so you can't even go OVER some higher ground. You also don't land anywhere near where you're called in. You USED to be able to weaponize your respawn by landing on an enemy. Now? That's harder to do and your friend can't call you on your stuff. Sometimes you'll land behind a wall.

Stratagem balls (the things you use to summon in weapons, turrets, air strikes) bounce and a turret you were going to land in a specific spot so it'd have a good angle? NOPE, bounces, and falls typically in an awful, useless spot.

These two things have been broken for over a year. Arrow Head promises that they'll fix it and will assemble a team but it's 'low priority'. So anyway a modder comes in, finds the code and fixes it in days. So when Arrow Head breaks this? Yeah, everyone is mad. Rightfully so.

Because yes, the guy used AI to do it (which I'm not a fan of) but the devs who have access to the code, knows where it is? Can't fix it. And for full transparency: I did not use any gameplay altering mods, not one. Zero interest in doing so. My point is that modders did what AH couldn't do in a short times-span.

The likely reason is, they want to monkey-paw this. "Fix it" but also make it still not to what it was before the devs broke it so it can fit in with their nonsense grunt-fantasy.

Edit: I love this community. You point out the game's mechanics are factually broken, even Arrow Head admits it & has taken over a year to fix them. Folks want to say skill issue? Defending a game that the devs have admitted isn't working as intended is sad.

[u/epochollapse → u/Snotnarok]

"Grunt Fantasy" as if D10 isn't the most pathetically easy thing on Earth and powercreep hasn't been the primary state of the game for most of the game's lifespan.

It's not fucking grunt fantasy. Call it bad design, laziness, whatever the hell you want, but drinking the fucking Koolaid of Unfair Grunt Fantasy!!! That dull pricks like OhDough serve up is just idiotic.

Maybe if we had grunt fantasy I might feel something playing the hardest difficulty in the game.

[u/Next_Name_800 → u/epochollapse]

Grunt fantasy and you cannot use one of the most basic tactics like "having the high ground" not like you have to go down to interact with things and enemies can clip everywhere.

[u/Can_Haz_Cheezburger → u/Next_Name_800]

Oh, and the enemies can have the high ground, that's perfectly fine. But god forbid we put a turret on the damn tank! By the way, EVEN FUCKING SWEDEN NOW HAS TURRET TANKS, THE TURRETLESS TANK IT'S BASED ON IS FROM THE FUCKING COLD WAR!

[u/CeeArthur]

Do yourself a favour and just never go on their subreddit if you want to enjoy the game

[u/Educational-Onion357 → u/CeeArthur]

any of the 5 subbreddits like a cesspool

[u/thisistherevolt → u/CeeArthur]

I stopped playing a year and a half ago partly because of the sub. I use the same handle everywhere, and some folks who recognized it started harassing me. At least one came from Grimdank as well and was still mad about being banned for being disgusting to a trans member with Female Custodes in a post.

Darktide can get toxic, but I've never been called something that rhymes with moon and a chaser, cuck, or mongoloid on there before.

[u/Teyanis → u/CeeArthur]

Me and my friends pick this shitshow up once in a blue moon for a couple weeks then inevitably stop playing because of how buggy and fucked up the game always is. To this day I can count the number of times its actually closed properly on one hand. It always crashes when it closes.

The community is terrible, second on never going to the subreddit. Its old moba tier toxicity. Worse, even.

[u/Pyromaniacal13 → u/CeeArthur]

Agreed. Nobody is allowed to enjoy the game right now; everyone in that subreddit is contractually obligated to bitch that the mods are broken. The big whiners complain about cosmetic mods but ignore everyone saying "The devs warned that cosmetic mods need an update." I get the feeling the whiners are the cheat mod users.

[u/Peachesfuzzy → u/Pyromaniacal13]

Yeah I muted them. It's all about how the new warbond is missing stuff (literally just vehicle skins), the new sniper primary doesn't one shot hulks, the apex being bugged, or shit about the mods. It sucks to see big subs for games just because a place to complain.

[u/TheEmperorMk3]

It's great because easy anti cheat is, in fact, very easy to cheat through and this only hurts people who were using quality of life and cosmetic mods, while the actual cheaters are gonna find a way to bypass the anti cheat before the end of this week

[u/Such-Fuel7306 → u/TheEmperorMk3]

It took the actual cheaters 2 hours to break through

[u/dobi425]

[u/ThisMemeWontDie]

And the false advertisement of the weapons in the warbond not 1 tapping enemies like it was shown in the trailer

[u/ShiftyCZ → u/ThisMemeWontDie]

Somewhere I read a glazer comment that said: "Well, you have made assumptions based on what you saw in the trailer, they never said what it actually does". It's crazy 

[u/ThisMemeWontDie → u/ShiftyCZ]

Yep seen so many of these comments "you fell for the propaganda" dude I don't live and breathe this game so as a normal person when they specifically show what the guns can do in a trailer I expect that to be accurate in game like this is just false advertisement and they are actively defending it. I almost never interact with helldivers community cause they are genuinely the worst people and insane.

[u/Datuser14 → u/ThisMemeWontDie]

And lying about the latest major order campaign

[u/hudi_baba]

its not a "review bomb" if the issue is legit.

[u/L0rdSkullz]

The abysmal SC farm and the insane number of warbounds releasing pushed me away from the game a while ago, crazy to see there is so much turmoil with the game

[u/Sure_Fix_6181 → u/L0rdSkullz]

Same, so many warbonds but majority of them are useless junk.

[u/MrEevee98_]

Break the mods and the game

[u/VagueSomething]

The modders got arrogant and started negatively affecting the game for people in public lobbies. They forced the company to not ignore the modding scene. Turns out not using your brain cells has consequences.

[u/Teyanis → u/VagueSomething]

Its the result of every 14 year old now being able to script kiddie without even needing to learn that. Vibe coding will be the slow death of modding communities. Info never shared, tricks never passed along. Contacts never made. Just "grok, make me a mod that lets me turn a tank into a plane in helldivers".

And if you call them out for it? Said 14 year old doesn't have a developed frontal lobe and loses their gourd over it with a generational crashout.

[u/Recipe-Jaded → u/VagueSomething]

For real... Some of the mods people were using were walking pretty darn close to cheating.

[u/Pyromaniacal13 → u/Recipe-Jaded]

Some mods were turning tanks into the Eagle close air support aircraft.

[u/Datuser14 → u/Pyromaniacal13]

Hell yeah that sounds cool as fuck

[u/Pyromaniacal13 → u/Datuser14]

It does, but it's genuinely busted when the game is a third person horde shooter instead of Ace Combat 8.

[u/xander0387]

It's literally broken the game. I can't even open it anymore on my legion go

[u/c4m3lion02]

Almost all openly modding guys are using it for cheats, i had to quit multiple time from game due to modder doing “heroism” by giving credits or resources, because of them we cannot have nice things

[u/False-Fox9285 → u/c4m3lion02]

Just host your own games and kick those who cheat? Damn, people have the tools to avoid this situations but will not just to complain online. Get a grip.

[u/heydudejustasec → u/False-Fox9285]

ah yes everybody should host their own session, I see absolutely no problem with this in a coop game

make sure to lock the session too so no cheater can get in as a client and give you max resources

[u/CombatMuffin → u/False-Fox9285]

No, I would rather make it so people with mods can only use them in private, invitation only games.

I agree that you should enjoy the game the way you want, but you don't get to to impose it on others. Mods that essentially max mission rewards and do unintended functions are not QoL and are not bug fixes: they are cheats. Not everyone likes playing with cheats.

[u/a_man_has_a_name → u/False-Fox9285]

But, it's not like the cheaters are announcing they are cheating.

[u/c4m3lion02 → u/False-Fox9285]

U have too much iq my man

[u/LocksmithNew3449]

These review bombs are basically free marketing, and a reminder to hop back in and play again for 10-20 hrs before the next review bomb

[u/VenserMTG → u/LocksmithNew3449]

Yeah man, review bombs totally tell people to get back in the game lmao

[u/colossusrageblack]

I don't care about review bombs or people's mods, I just play the game. Level 180.

[u/TallBluejay824 → u/colossusrageblack]

real af (lvl 117)

[u/ImprobablyDamp]

I mean when you've got people that can come in and essentially give you enough credits to unlock everything without having to farm for them it kind of makes sense.

[u/padwani → u/ImprobablyDamp]

They've been reducing SC spawns a for almost 6 months.

People that farm in d1 have said they receive almost 50% less than the beginning of the year.

D10 missions literally only have 20 sc per a mission. Despite the planet or biome is doesn't change.

They've added 2 more bundles to the store.

It takes like 4 hours to farm 800 SC which still isn't enough for a warbond and it like 8$ worth of sc for 4 hours of farming.

[u/NekCing → u/padwani]

I remember back in Cyberstan, there were sparse to zero SC spawns.

[u/padwani → u/NekCing]

Cyberstan itself is a city which they said would have reduced spawns off the rip.

The real issue is when regular biomes like the ones that were in the game when it launched spawn less credit than they did a year ago. People say around 50% less.

[u/Gomez-16 → u/padwani]

Lucky. I can play for 4 hours and come up with 100 its so stingy.

[u/Southern-Teaching-11 → u/padwani]

There is no evidence of any change to sc spawn rates ,its random and higher difficulites have other items in the loot pool which is why dif one is preferred for farming.

[u/padwani → u/Southern-Teaching-11]

yes clearly there is no evidence of SC rates being reduced other than the people that spend time to farm them and spoke about the discrepancies they've seen throughout the year on their accumulation rates.

[u/Datuser14 → u/ImprobablyDamp]

Oh no tell me where they are so i can avoid them!

[u/unabletocomput3]

I’m going to assume that most of the review bombing is because of a “straw that broke the camel’s back” moment (at least from the few that I read), since Arrow Head are notorious about fixing glitches and monitozation, but if this is the only reason then this is just kinda petty. Probably could’ve been fixed by a reasonable email between the devs, just in case this was simply a misunderstanding.

[u/TheImmenseRat]

The game is really good, and that others use mods doesn't affect your game. Its PVE not PVP. And you can create your own lobby.

Game really needs some QoL and minimal improvements.

A huge amount of mods do that, while other lets you pilot a npc ship or bring some whacky stuff. Its amazing to see what people have created.

Changing anticheat its a dumb move. They dont add the QoL improvements while removing mods that do, the community feels neglected, and everything feels really uncalled for.

This game could be even bigger with all the modding but it seems that AH (devs) feels touched in the ego.

[u/CombatMuffin → u/TheImmenseRat]

Mods can affect how others enjoy the game. If I go into the highest difficulty, I do so because I enjoy the challenge. If there is no challenge because someone is just gung ho murdering everything with cheats, and perfect rewards everyt time, my experience is ruined.

[u/GuyMansworth → u/CombatMuffin]

It saddens me that people are too fucking stupid to realize this. It's like playing Wordle and using ChatGPT. I once had a guy in our group cheat to beat Dark Souls 3 then brag about beating it.

I'm thoroughly convinced people use mods and cheats to show off to other people.

[u/Rangizingo → u/TheImmenseRat]

The reason they changed anti cheat is a good thing. The old one was notoriously resource heavy. This new one gains 5-15 fps, it’s a very noticeable difference. They didn’t change the anti cheat cause of mods, mods breaking were a byproduct cause they were set up to work around/with the old anti cheat.  People will re-make or update the mods to work with the new one and it’ll be like nothing changed in a week or two. This is a nothing burger story. 

[u/burgman459 → u/Rangizingo]

Mods really just happened to get caught in the crossfire. The switchover to EAC has been in the works for months.

[u/Woffingshire → u/TheImmenseRat]

The problem was that others using mods DOES effect your game.

There were a lot of mods which changed stuff about gameplay and it would effect all the players in the mission regardless of if they had mods installed.

That, and exactly that, is why AH banned them .if people just kept them client side, or only used them in private lobbies like they had been until recently, and this wouldn't have happened.

Modders flew too sun and got burned.

[u/doublethink_1984 → u/TheImmenseRat]

There are ways to allow visual mods and block game modifying ones. Tons of gsmes do this.

Maybe even make a modded launcher that doesn't effect the game world but yiu can play eith game changing mods with friends or make joinable games. It's coop why not!?

I'd love to see a visual change of adding a simple cheap GTAO to the game. If a level is all in shadow and overcast it looks shit. If there is a strong light and shadow with ambient fog it looks incredible

[u/GuyMansworth → u/TheImmenseRat]

How can you say cheating doesn't ruin PVE games?

I was playing with my Nephew, he's 16 on PSN. He saw me and a friend using certain warbond weapons and was envious so he grinded for like 5 hours one night to get the same guns. He was so excited and kept talking about it.

Later he went to invite his friend to play with us who had everything unlocked and the poor boys attitude dropped as soon as he realized his friend had every single item in the game with 15 hours on record. His strategems could stick to things ours couldn't and so many more "quality of life" things. I don't think he's played it since.

Point is. If you cheat in a PVE game. It's still cheating. You're still a piece of shit. I'm fine with them adding modded lobbies only, but here's the fun thing..... cheaters don't want to play with other cheaters. Why is that?

[u/ShoulderWhich5520 → u/GuyMansworth]

See, this here.

Cheating in a singleplayer game is fine.

But cheating in any MP game isnt. I did not think this was a difficult concept, if I logged into Darktide and played with cheaters I would be similarly unhappy. But because these people have been negatively affected (me to, I modded my armor) they are pissed.

[u/GuyMansworth → u/ShoulderWhich5520]

Skyrims a great example. I mod the shit out of that game. But if I were to play a coop mod with a friend and went in without telling him I had crazy mods and he was expecting a genuine playthrough, I'd be a fucking asshole and waste his time.

[u/TryToFindABetterUN → u/TheImmenseRat]

The game is really good, and that others use mods doesn't affect your game.

Oh yes it does. I had one guy have some kind of mod to make stalkers visible, not only a little but bright pink. The drawback was that the mod was messed up and made small bugs invisible.

Bad mods and cheats can mess up a PvE game too.

[u/FriendlyArachnid6000 → u/TheImmenseRat]

Cheating ruins PvE games too

[u/MTB-Man → u/TheImmenseRat]

Other people using mods absolutely affects your game when the mod they have adds in some bs weapon that clears the whole map in one go and trivializes completing the mission.

[u/ComprehensiveSafe664 → u/TheImmenseRat]

Anyone who thought they would allow modding that impacts other non-modded players in game experience was delusional.

Things like armor transmog and other QoL mods were unaffected or can be patched to still work.

[u/FirestormTM]

Well deserved. All things considered, it's Arrowhead and especially Sony publishing the game.

[u/Gold_Vehicle7863]

Modders are literally cheating their asses off in this game, i dont understand why reddit is defending it

[u/DoubleShot027 → u/Gold_Vehicle7863]

It’s a 0 stakes pve game calm down.

[u/NotBannedAccount419 → u/DoubleShot027]

No one wants to play with a cheater. What’s so hard about that?

[u/Gold_Vehicle7863 → u/DoubleShot027]

But it affects us playing as well, it’s not just personal progress

They literally spawn stuff into the lobby

[u/MTB-Man → u/Gold_Vehicle7863]

Because "muhhhh big company bad"

[u/Professional_Nugget → u/Gold_Vehicle7863]

Because there's plenty of mods that aren't really actual cheats that are no longer usable.

Would you consider things like reverting the hellpod steering to its pre-nerf mechanics a cheat?

[u/DaStompa → u/Professional_Nugget]

I dont know, if you made a game and a small percentage of the community decided they didn't like one of your gameplay decisions so they cheat to get around it so they dont have to take a specific booster, would you call that a cheat?

[u/ShiftyCZ → u/Professional_Nugget]

Ask around the glazedivers subs, they will tell you that it is, in fact, cheating (somehow, don't ask me how, they are deranged) 

[u/VBgamez → u/ShiftyCZ]

I mean you technically are using mods to give yourself an advantage that a normal player wouldn't have.

[u/Chappiechap → u/Gold_Vehicle7863]

People don't read what actually happens, they just read headlines.

[u/Met4_FuziN]

Man if I was a dev for this game I would actively hate the Helldivers community. Just constant whining.

[u/kgusmc]

Considering I had someone join my game the other day with a flying tank that cleared the map in a VERY short amount of time, I welcome this anti-cheat.

[u/Blazingfear13]

One of the most whiny and toxic communities to exist.

They forced the devs to constantly nerf enemies, and buff weapons, trivialising all of the difficulties, because most of the player base couldn’t accept being bad at the game, but of course they wanted to feel the sense of accomplishment without having to gitgud.

At the same time, the same community was downvoting and flaming anyone who dared to go to their sub and point out actual issues/bugs with the game (at least in the first few months after launch).

Unfortunately the game is another example of casuals ruining it for everyone else, god forbid there is challenge at highest difficulty for those who want it.

Now these people don’t even understand how modding works in general, but they are ready to burn everything to the ground - despite majority of those whiners having 1k in-game hours.

Honestly I just check game specific subs for news/memes/content discussion, but most of them are small echo chambers for critically online losers.

[u/H0vis → u/Blazingfear13]

There is a distinct element of this community that are just misery junkies. I don't know if there's actual clout to be had for it like there is in some games and maybe that's the appeal.

[u/Impossible_Dog_7262 → u/Blazingfear13]

Now if only the devs would buff the weapons that actually required it... then maybe you'd have a point.

[u/DaFookCares → u/Impossible_Dog_7262]

Found one!

[u/Vorsai- → u/Blazingfear13]

Same thing is happening in Arc Raiders right now.

Begged the developers into adding a safe PvE mode in an extract shooter. Defeats the entire point of an extract shooter.

[u/MakimaGOAT]

Helldivers loves getting reviewbombed huh

[u/twosevenohfour → u/MakimaGOAT]

It's because Arrowhead caved in after the first big review bomb. The entitled part of the community reckons they can keep getting away with it. The game is too easy now even at max difficulty but a portion of the playerbase still wants to have the power level of Master Chief, instead of the brainwashed teenager with a rifle and a dream that Helldivers are meant to be.

[u/overdosingOnPie1313]

I've said it before and I'll say it forever: bringing HD2 to Xbox was the single worst decision in the game's history. I know it sucks for the good Xboxdivers, but it came at a HUGE loss in pc/ps5 stability and we're STILL waiting for some fixes (Hellpod steering).

But seriously fuck the usual review-bombing cunts, and DOUBLY TRIPLY fuck these particular cunts who want to run cheats.

And no, I'm no Arrowhead stan. I bitch plenty about their actual actions, but these cunts just want to run cheat mods.

[u/Enertion]

It was fun while it lasted, solo tank driver with 360 turret. Transmog, bug fixes, QOL mods. But in the end it will make the game stale, more easy. This is good for the games heath.

[u/SushiJaguar]

I'm loving how people are pretending to care about QoL and cosmetic mods when it's actually the cheat mods they've rapidly developed a dependency on, that they're upset about. Fucking losers.

[u/RankedFarting]

That is not a "review bomb" that is just reviews.

Review bombing is an organized effort ot lower a games score for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual quality of the game. Like "you fired this voiceactor reeee" or "The main character is black reeeeeee".

Dont let Companies hide behind this term that implies the negative reviews are unfair.

[u/AquaBits → u/RankedFarting]

So this is considered a review bomb. Hell, even the subs of helldivers 2 say its a review bomb

[u/Daniel_Day_Hubris]

The Helldivers-Drama internet series is getting kinda boring.

[u/ComeClarity93]

Have they given any word on when this can be bought again on steam in the UK?

[u/Edgiel]

If only the game wasn't still delisted in the UK after a month.

[u/Jackal-Noble]

This game has had a fantastic release timeline and overall game life, anyone that wants to try and dunk on it is brain dead.

[u/Blekanly]

Once I fixed the game not starting issues by reinstalling and nuking shader cache, the game seems to ru better.

[u/Robot1me]

Wait, this is how I find out they finally ditched the other shady anti-cheat they used??? The headline reads negative but this is still good news

[u/IndividualCurious322]

EAC doesn't even work well against cheaters and regularly banned played with legit input methods (In The Finals it was banning anyone using Gyro).

[u/MrDarwoo]

Why can't I even find the game on steam? I wanted to try it ( From UK)

[u/SilverChariot2 → u/MrDarwoo]

UK has age restriction on that game, as it's technically 'too mature'

[u/Rasenpapi]

i cant even launch the game

something about the update causes a conflict when launching it

[u/ZookeepergameFew8607]

So they switched to EAC?

[u/nbiscuitz]

can i just bombard from the massive super advance light speed space ship that is just hovering over and never need to land on the planet yet?