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u/enozero Verified 7h ago
To be fair, for a single rental property, a 4-digit vs 6-digit code is not any more secure. It may be more digits and increase the permutations from 10000 to 1000000, but the reality does not match what would cause it to be any more or less secure. A typical bad actor is not going to spend an exorbitant amount of time trying 10000 possible combinations. Your door lock likely has an auto-back off feature, so it would add time after so many bad tries. This is not the reason nor hill to die on. Set this back to 4 digits, and you and your guests win. As a guest, I always hate going to places that requires a code that is longer than 4 digits.
The other rule changes are bigger issues.
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u/surfphantom 6h ago
Not every WiFi lock vendor allows the option. Mine requires 6 and I’m not going to buy a new lock because of this.
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u/hazelnuticecoffee 7h ago
when i have guests at my house for free i don’t expect them to clean, take out the trash, or wash their bedding. i do that bc it is my house, i invited them. they are not there to clean for me. that is bad hosting.
you do not have guests; you have customers. i don’t book airbnbs that require me to pay a fee and do tasks. i’m glad the platform is cracking down on the ridiculous requests and requirements from hosts.
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u/Low_Toe_7827 7h ago
I love watching all the idiot airbnb owners cry over this. Sweet sweet boomer tears
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u/Cool-Tip8804 7h ago
Don’t know why I’m here. But people are paying you dude. Sounds like the company is treating everyone like they should be. You running a “business” and customers as customers. They really shouldn’t be treated as maids.
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u/Ok_Specialist3960 7h ago
If you want guests, invite friends over. If you want to get paid, invite customers from Airbnb.
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u/irie_boi 7h ago
“Guests”, its customers sweaty. If I invite guests to my home, guests of my choosing, I would not charge them for anything. Don’t get your terminology mixed up.
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u/codyzon2 7h ago
I can't tell if this is a dig or not, but the colloquial saying is sweetie or informal sweety. Sweaty just means they're run down and need a shower 🥵
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u/Limp-Breath1942 7h ago
They are customers not guest.
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u/GoonWithhTheWind 7h ago
Im crine, reading OPs answers. They ARE customers, in the same way you are at a hotel, but for some reason the customer has to do the dishes and laundry, instead of CLEANERS who are paid to do that stuff. They don’t wanna pay the cleaners more or raise their price so now it’s on the customer. Good job Airbnb
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u/Coool_cool_cool_cool 6h ago
I've worked at several nice resorts. All of our customers were called guests. "We have guests. Motel 6 has customers." is what one manager used to say.
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u/keelhaulrose 🤬 Here for a fight 5h ago
But that's just semantics.
They're people paying you to provide a service. That's a customer, no matter what a business uses to try to make it sound more important.
I don't pay to stay with friends and family as a guest. I don't charge friends and family who stay with me to stay, because they're guests.
This is kind of like corporations calling employees "family," it's all semantics to try to make an obvious relationship seem like something it's not.
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u/Coool_cool_cool_cool 5h ago
It matters on how you view them. I have worked at a Ritz Carlton and I have stayed in a Ritz Carlton. I've also stayed at a Motel 6. There's a clear difference in how the workers view the people paying to stay there. A lot of shitty Airbnb's cost as much as staying at the Ritz while treating the people staying there like they're Motel 6 employees.
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u/keelhaulrose 🤬 Here for a fight 5h ago
That doesn't make it any less of a customer/business transaction. Just one involves people paying more, so they expect a higher level of service.
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u/Coool_cool_cool_cool 5h ago
Right and what I'm saying is I can get better service for the same price or cheaper than a lot of Airbnb's. Other customers have noticed and they're going to places that at least pretend to see them as guests.
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u/keelhaulrose 🤬 Here for a fight 4h ago
What other lodging accommodations expect their "guests" to do cleaning tasks other than with their personal belongings?
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u/Limp-Breath1942 6h ago
Cool, they also call Starbucks workers "Partners". Are they getting a share of the profit? No. they are employees .... doesn't matter what you call them they are customers.
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u/craigiest Unverified 7h ago
In my experience, customers who think of themselves as guests because they are treated like guests are happier and better customers. And they are my customers, not Airbnb's. I'm providing the product. I'm assuming the risk.
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u/MeanShibu 7h ago
You should stop hosting customers and just invite friends and family then buddy. Your take is unbelievably short sighted and out of touch
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u/Stampy77 7h ago
As a guest there is nothing I love more than a big list of cleaning chores for something that costs as much as a hotel.
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u/keelhaulrose 🤬 Here for a fight 5h ago
OP's cleaning fee is $150. That is a night at some hotels, and they'll take the trash out for me.
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u/ShawnWilson000 6h ago
Stop assuming the risk. This is a burden you took upon yourself and now you're upset you don't get it your way anymore. Make your own platform? I guess you're too lazy for that, too.
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u/fraghead5 7h ago
They are AirBnB's customer that found your property on their service. If your house was not on AirBnb they would still be Airbnb's customer and just not stay at your house. They are going to come back to ABnB and when your listing is not there they will just pick the next one.
I get that its your house, but its their customers.
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u/bettertohavenever 7h ago
As a guest in someone’s home, I’ve never washed my own dishes and I certainly do not ask my guests to wash theirs.
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u/EnderSword 3h ago
But that's the problem, they don't WANT to be your guest, they don't want to know you, see you or deal with you in any way.
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u/craigiest Unverified 2h ago
You might assume that, but it’s not what our reviews and feedback tell us.
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u/EnderSword 2h ago
So...the small subset people who voluntarily interacted with you preferred voluntarily interacting with you...yes a fascinating outcome.
I assume assume like all AirBnB hosts you just harass people until they withdraw bad feedback?
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u/craigiest Unverified 1h ago
What horrible way of interacting with people are you projecting on someone you've never met and know absolutely nothing about? If people don't want to be a my guest, why do they book repeat visits? Just because you're a misanthrope doesn't mean everybody else is.
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u/EnderSword 49m ago
Your entire original comment was you assuming the preferences of people.
Yeah, the majority of people don't want you annoying them. You citing the extreme minority who are self-selected to be that minority isn't great evidence.
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u/craigiest Unverified 10m ago
I'm not assuming anything. I'm looking at the evidence of all my interactions with guests and all the positive reviews I've received. Where are you even getting this idea that I'm annoying people? I don't even live in the same state. You're just making assumption after assumption. You don't seem to have a clue what sharing your home in a way that makes them feel like guests rather than customers might mean.
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u/Limp-Breath1942 7h ago
Then list it independently....
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u/craigiest Unverified 7h ago
Definitely considering it. But I prefer to ask for things to get better before giving up.
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u/King_of_the_Kobolds 7h ago
- whine about it hoping if you're annoying enough you'll get your way without putting in effort elsewhere
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u/OktopusKween 7h ago
You have customers, not guests. Idk how well you think you treat them. They are paying you for a service so they are customers.
Also, to the people saying that customers won't read. Trust me we will, that's why so many people have stopped using Airbnb because they do read and they see ridiculous hosts' rules. Which is why Airbnb made changes......in order to keep customers.
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
Oh customers don't read. Renting a room in one of the top neighborhoods in a big city for $30usd/night... yet customers will come in and get disapppointed since they thought they were renting the whole apartment, even though price is cheaper than a hotel, the title says it's only a room and all the wording says I live there and it's only a room they are renting. Customers just want to feel homeowners for a couple of hours...
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u/Narrow_Relative2149 3h ago
dude that sounds like an absolute nightmare. I assume you get people trying your bedroom door every night
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u/Jimandthem 7h ago
When I have guests over I always charge them crazy fees
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u/Ligalotz 7h ago
I love inviting my neighbors over just so they can pay $400 for not pushing the chairs back in right after dinner and another $1000 if they don’t do the dishes
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u/marithetic 7h ago
You should also clean the table and your dishes after you eat at outback... it ridiculous. Either dont charge a cleaning fee and make then do the cleaning or charge a cleaning fee and just let them enjoy their stay and leave with no extra chores. If I wanted to vacation and do the chores id stay at home. Get a grip. Airbnb is not gonna miss out on people like you.
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u/Some_Material_8250 7h ago
You’re an independent contractor. Don’t like the new rules stop listing on Airbnb
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u/GolfVisual2043 7h ago
This is so funny you host’s are so out of touch. I haven’t stayed at an AIRBNB in years and I might start again now that I don’t have to do the dishes and change the sheets.
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u/Vivid-Climate-2600 7h ago
Good. We should all email them. Doing so as well! Thanks!
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u/Adventurous-Pop-7930 7h ago
So you’d rather get free labor than do your part? You’re charging market rates and expecting people to clean for you? Wake up
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u/Vivid-Climate-2600 6h ago edited 5h ago
What are you on about? The email covered many areas. And the new “requirements” are too extreme from Airbnbs part.
As a host you should be allowed to set house rules, as a guest you should be allowed to choose whether you want to stay in Airbnb A or B or C, it’s up to you. Free market should work for both ends.
I personally don’t ask my guests to do cleaning, BUT I do ask them to sign (during e check in) an agreement (just as literally any and all hotels do when you check in at the front desk) to cover myself from any liabilities or scammers (which are far too many), and to comply with state law on guest registrations, so as per Airbnb I can’t do that anymore?
Edit: grammar
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u/SunnySam 6h ago
I don’t think checkout instructions are public until you book, no? So you can’t really choose based on that because the info is obfuscated
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u/disisathrowaway 3m ago
Yeah the number of times I've arrived at an AirBnB and then the host directs me to a binder of do's and dont's and a fucking cleaning list for my last day is way too high.
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u/Adventurous-Pop-7930 6h ago
Exactly
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u/Vivid-Climate-2600 5h ago
No, some hosts add house rules or any requirements in their listing descriptions. All should do it, and let the free market decide.
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u/Vivid-Climate-2600 5h ago
No, some hosts add house rules or any requirements in their listing descriptions. All should do it, and let the free market decide.
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u/SunnySam 5h ago
Yes, and according to the new rules, you are still allowed to do that, it just has to be visible on the listing so that the customer can now see it before booking.
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u/Vivid-Climate-2600 5h ago
That’s not what I read, what I read said even if you disclose it, it’s not enforceable. Which is my issue.
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u/BoomBoomPow250 7h ago
I just sent an email to all of the ones you listed thanking them for taking these steps.
Whining that now you can’t have your customers do all of your cleaning for you because you’re too cheap to pay for cleaning services and not smart enough to operate a hotel. Can’t have it both ways.
Awesome new policy and hopefully it will filter out the hosts who don’t have a brain or an ounce of business sense who have been taking advantage of their customers for years now.
If you can’t afford to pay for cleaners, then you can’t afford to cosplay as a Hotel.
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u/Ok-Expression3427 7h ago
As a frequent traveler and ex-Airbnb user I can’t say I’m not surprised. When Airbnb first started out I was all for it! But as a person who travels solo, you asking me to be your maid even though I was paying a cleaning fee was what crossed the line. Especially since I’m not a dirty person and tend to spend my days out and about in the city I’m in. You want me to throw my sheets in the washer and load up the dishwasher? Fine, where is my discount? Everytime I brought this up to a host they threw a hissy fit lol.
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u/No-Boysenberry2812 7h ago
I've never washed dishes as a "guest" in someone's home. That's for places where I'm not considered a guest. And I'd be ashamed to ask a guest to do chores.
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u/Amazing_Card4625 7h ago
The issue is back then that was the business model now they aren't really guest but customers utilizing not your home but your rental property. Airbnb has become hotels with kitchens witch is why more regulation is needed.
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u/Narrow_Relative2149 4h ago
My girlfriend is a bit of a clean freak and she really hates staying in AirBnbs because she doesn't believe they will have been cleaned properly and that they have cameras everywhere.
If you rely on guests to clean the dishes then she assumes it's not been done properly and they're still dirty.
I think although the new rules state that you cannot expect a guest to do anything and the prices will go up because of cleaning fees, it'll at least standardise the expectations.
We pick hotels for single rooms for me and her but obviously have to pick an AirBnb for large bookings of families like a villa or full house
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u/AmazingUsername2001 7h ago
They’re not going to read that, and nor do they care.
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u/craigiest Unverified 7h ago
If I'm the only one, you're correct. Based on the daily content of this subreddit, I don't think I'll be the only one. Airbnb doesn't have a business without hosts.
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u/Adventurous-Pop-7930 7h ago
You’re delusional, you want to provide a service while making the customer do your service…
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u/Iwouldhavenever 6h ago
You're right, but they have plenty of hosts will to do what's necessary to keep their houses occupied or risk losing it. You work for Airbnb as an independent contractor. You don't have bargaining power. You don't have them by the balls. They'll welcome the next host willing to abide by the rules and have them contract with them.
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u/disisathrowaway 1m ago
Plenty of hosts are going to play ball, or likely, have already been operating at a higher level than most of you. All the half-assed hosts are going to bail and then the remaining hosts will be able to charge a premium due to decreased supply.
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u/AmazingUsername2001 7h ago
They have millions of hosts.
They don’t read your emails.
If you’re lucky you’ll get to talk to a Charbot.
If you persist you might be escalated to a guy in India who doesn’t care, and who is getting his information from the same chatbot.
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u/madenoughtosignin 7h ago
Nor does anyone else. I dont think this is getting the sympathy OP wanted.
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u/This-Jackfruit-3576 7h ago
you act like you're letting them stay there out of the goodness of your heart. they are PAYING to stay there. and being so stuck on dishes is weird. i want to know my dishes are CLEAN, and trusting the last group who was likely rushing to get out of there to do an appropriate job is wild.
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u/craigiest Unverified 7h ago
Do you take every dish out of the cabinets and wash them after every stay? Because if not, you're also trusting the last group to have washed the dishes that they did put away. I'm not hung up on the dishes in particular. That line was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
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u/aashyd 7h ago
I actually do that and am often grossed out because there are half washed dishes as guests are rushing to leave. I’d rather a “business” ensure I’m getting clean dishes by dishwashing and sanitizing them before I arrive and stand by that cleanliness and take care of it in the case of any issues. It’s annoying and disgusting to sort through dishes that prior guests have washed to varying degrees of cleanliness.
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u/This-Jackfruit-3576 7h ago
I don't touch the dishes because too many crappy hosts don't ensure they are sanitized. and you're hung up enough that is was your last straw. if you charge a cleaning fee you don't get to complain that people leave some dishes in the sink
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u/craigiest Unverified 7h ago
Genuinely curious, as a guest, would you prefer I raise the cleaning fee to cover people leaving the kitchen a mess? Because I have to pay for cleaning by the hour. And I charge a flat per stay fee so that I'm not overcharging people who stay longer. Putting dirty dishes in the dishwasher doesn't seem like too much to ask.
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u/jscannicchio 7h ago
FYI it's not an ask anymore. It is now your JOB to ensure the place is clean. Not the customer. Get a grip
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u/Adventurous-Pop-7930 7h ago
I would prefer that don’t have a work list for your customer to complete since you are charging them according to market rates, why is that hard for you to grasp? You’re running an Airbnb? Where’s your property manager? If it’s you, you’re responsible, if you don’t like it, don’t list your home on Airbnb as a way to suck money from people
We have a housing shortage and people like you are the reason, if this is what you want, then put in the work and stop worrying about your next vacation that you didn’t earn
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u/codyzon2 7h ago
What's the cleaning fee for? What are they cleaning if I'm doing all the cleaning? You already charge a cleaning fee what is that being used for? You're competing with hotels, you aren't renting out your back room to some local schlub, you're supposed to operate like a business that doesn't seem like something you're capable of.
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u/craigiest Unverified 7h ago
I'm not asking anybody to "do all the cleaning." I ask folks to put their dishes in the dishwasher. I'm having no trouble competing with hotels or leaving guests happy with their experience.
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u/codyzon2 6h ago
Then why are you here complaining? And I highly doubt that's your only ask, I have never once stayed in an Airbnb that had such a simple checkout list of only one item. I used Airbnb for over a decade but I haven't in 6 years because of how horrible the situation was, I moved back exclusively to hotels. Only way Airbnb makes sense anymore is if there's absolutely nowhere else to stay, but after so many bad experiences I would go with any other company than Airbnb.
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u/scotchirish 7h ago
Then you set your cleaning fee to [normal hours+0.5 or maybe 1]. That will cover the vast majority of cases, and give a little cushion for the few that take longer. If those longer cleaning sessions become the norm, then you up the rate to cover it. Occasionally eating an expense is just part of doing business; you see what went wrong, change things if you need to, and grow from it.
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u/Hacym 7h ago
How much is your cleaning fee?
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u/craigiest Unverified 7h ago
Way higher than I'd like. Cleaning cost ranges from $130 to $180. I used to charge $130 and eat the rest, but since Airbnb started taking a 15% cut of the cleaning fee, I now charge $150 so I still get $130 to pay the cleaners.
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u/Hacym 7h ago
Ok, and I mean this sincerely and not trying to be a jerk.
Let’s say you come to my house, as a friend and guest, to crash for a night. You try to be courteous by doing your dishes, stripping your bed, etc. Then, as you walk out, I ask for $130. What would your reaction be?
The logic here is very flawed.
Either the person cleans the place and you don’t charge the $130 or they do nothing and your cleaning crew cleans it.
There isn’t a logical in-between where you come out not looking greedy. If I came to your Airbnb I do not give a crap about being your guest. I paid for a place to stay, not to build some sort of relationship with you. You offered your home up to make money. I paid that money. This is a transaction, nothing more.
I’ll respect your home like I respect a hotel. I don’t destroy hotel rooms, and I wouldn’t destroy your home. But I also don’t strip the sheets and start the laundry at a hotel.
I think you need to have a long think about what it means to run a rental business versus inviting people to stay in your home as your guest.
I think maybe Airbnb marketing might have tricked you here, unfortunately.
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u/keelhaulrose 🤬 Here for a fight 5h ago
$150 and yet you still expect, at least, for guests to clean dishes and take out the garbage and recyclables.
I can see why people don't like that. If I'm paying $150 for someone to clean, I'm going to be upset that I'm also expected to do cleaning tasks.
How many guests does your property hold and how many dishes do the average guests leave?
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u/craigiest Unverified 5h ago
Like I said, I don’t like that it costs that much, but that’s the reality. Guests usually leave a partial load in the dishwasher, already cleaned, for the cleaner to put away. $150 worth of cleaning doesn’t cover washing a weekend’s worth of dishes, unfortunately. Personally as a guest, I’d prefer to keep things clean as I go, toss my breakfast dishes in the dishwasher, and have the cleaning fee not be $180. My sense is that my guests are fine with that arrangement as well.
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u/keelhaulrose 🤬 Here for a fight 5h ago
Hot take: I would never expect costumers of my business to do the kind of dish cleaning that would make dishes acceptable for the next person to eat off of. I've seen too many people who just run a plate with crumbs under a stream of water and call it clean.
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u/craigiest Unverified 5h ago
I have a very well equipped kitchen that guests rave about. Unless I do 10 loads of dishes, there are going to items that guests cleaned during their stay and put away. Nobody with a grip on reality expects every single dish and utensil to have been freshly cleaned when they arrive to a house that someone else was using the day before.
On the other hand, I’ve been to rentals where they provide nothing but disposable dishes and utensils, one where they provided exactly as many paper cups and plates as there were guests. THAT is the kind of crappy experience Airbnb should be addressing if they want to keep customers happy.
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u/scroogemcbutts 6h ago
Go for it.
Just like ridiculous cleaning rules, if I see you have a ridiculous cleaning fee I'm not going to book because I can already predict a petty renter who's going to try to squeeze guests and report violations for no reason.
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u/craigiest Unverified 6h ago
Airbnb made it so guests don't see cleaning fees anymore... part of the changes I'm complaining about.
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u/Adventurous-Pop-7930 7h ago
Ok so don’t leave a million dishes and an entire kitchen at someone’s disposal
You want the benefits of running a service without operating as the service
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u/curtcolt95 7h ago
I would certainly hope you wash everything every time lmao wtf
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u/craigiest Unverified 7h ago
It would be at least 10 dishwasher loads to clean every item in my kitchen. How well stocked the kitchen is might be the #1 thing guests praise in reviews.
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u/disisathrowaway 0m ago
i want to know my dishes are CLEAN, and trusting the last group who was likely rushing to get out of there to do an appropriate job is wild.
Can confirm. Been in many an AirBnB for bachelor parties or large destination birthdays and the scramble on the final morning to get all the chores done means it's a bunch of hungover folks trying to check the boxes as quickly as possible. They are not doing their best work, in any world.
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u/External_Trouble1036 7h ago
I removed my listing today. I rent a spare room in the house I live and Airbnb told me I can't ask guests to clean the dishes. I can't live in a dirty kitchen. Is like asking one roommate to clean everybody's dishes.
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u/BoomBoomPow250 6h ago
Oh wow you sound like the worst. This is the most out to lunch comment I’ve read so far. Maybe you should find a room mate for your spare bedroom instead of playing Pretend Hotel Manager.
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u/External_Trouble1036 6h ago
Ehh no because I use the spare bedroom often? I just offered it on spare days?
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u/BoomBoomPow250 5h ago
Cool. Do your own dishes then.
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u/External_Trouble1036 5h ago
I do my own dishes, not guests dishes, lol.
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u/jellatubbies 5h ago
Then what the fuck are they paying your "cleaning fee" for you dingus. They aren't your guest. They're your customer.
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u/lolpanda91 4h ago
You also should clean your guest dishes to be a nice host. But yeah they are their customers.
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u/BoomBoomPow250 5h ago
They’re not your guests, they’re your customers. You charge a cleaning fee and even if you didn’t, it’s still not your CUSTOMER’S job.
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
I don't charge a cleaning fee.
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u/TheElPistolero 2h ago
well they aren't sleeping in that room for free. It's inconsiderate of them not to clean up after themselves but also that's your ultimate responsibility because they are PAYING YOU.
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u/Iwouldhavenever 6h ago
Oh no! You'll have to load and run the dishwash. The horror! /s
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u/External_Trouble1036 6h ago
Dishwashers are not common in every country in the world, lol.
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u/Then-Departure4896 5h ago
It simply sounds like you don’t deserve money from renting out a room. This is Airbnb getting rid of their shittiest hosts and you are upset about it. Gives me a giggle.
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u/External_Trouble1036 5h ago
I dont deserve money from my own house? That I live in? Lol.
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u/matdragon 5h ago
by that logic every home owner should be getting income because they own property and live in
Dog just do the dishes and fold clothes, it isn't hard to do a service that they pay you to do instead of a hotel
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u/External_Trouble1036 5h ago
Dude, property means exploitation rights, including the right to get income from.it. did you go to school?
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u/Then-Departure4896 4h ago
You don’t want to do anything for the people you’re hosting, you just want to make money off of them. You are a leech. A complete drain on resources and you add nothing to society.
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
I host, that is the service. Not being their maid.
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u/Sudden-Purchase-8371 45m ago
If you think hosting is just providing a space, you're a terrible host both in the personal sense of hosting friends and the "hosting" as a business sense. Your competition for space is hotels/motels/other AirBnBs, if your add-on fees and FUCKING CHORES are in excess of your competitors' then you are going to lose. And I welcome it.
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u/Then-Departure4896 23m ago
They’re either a troll or completely brain dead. Their comments are not serious at all
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u/Iwouldhavenever 5h ago
Bullshit. Countertop units are available everywhere. I know that if I had to spend a significant amount of time washing dishes I'd sure as shit figure out how to get one.
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u/Then-Departure4896 5h ago
Lmao don’t rent your room out then you bum
You quite literally just admitted that you can’t do the bare minimum to host tenants and you’re upset about it. You should be embarrassed
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u/External_Trouble1036 5h ago
Not. Airbnb called me to list again, they said asking for cleaning dishes in a shares space is acceptable.
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u/Then-Departure4896 4h ago
Waste of a person
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
Bad loser? Haha
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u/Then-Departure4896 27m ago
You can’t “lose” to an Airbnb host unless you stay in their place and get cleaning fees for not doing the laundry for them. No one “loses” to you in a conversation because no one considers you a person. You’re less useful than a good excel sheet.
Shit you’re less useful than a bad excel sheet
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u/mistakelake 6h ago
lol holy hell what an entitled take. You might have to a few dishes, oh the horror 😂😂
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u/External_Trouble1036 6h ago
Why can't guests do a few dishes then? It's courtesy to not leave them behind in a shared space
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u/purehostagewolf 6h ago
They are a customer. Not a guest. They pay money.
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u/Serious-Bread-754 4h ago
Do you understand what the word “hospitality” means? If you believe they’re customers and not guests, you should not be trying to make money off the service industry. WTF kind of braindead take is this.
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u/purehostagewolf 4h ago
I am not an AirBnB host. All I know, is that if you offer a service and someone pays for that service, they are a customer. Whether they recieve a custom or service.
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u/Serious-Bread-754 4h ago
The concept of a “paid guest” is the norm in hospitality, especially higher end which AirBnB as a botique lodging would generally be.
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
No one higher end is renting a room in a share space. No one higher end wpuld even feel entitled to the whole place if they somehow ended up in a room in a share space. Lol.
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u/Sudden-Purchase-8371 40m ago
Guest is just hospitality corpo-speak for their customers that they propagandize their employees into using because they feel it changes the vibe in the interactions between their employees and customers. Psst, all the VPs at your local bank branch aren't really VPs of The Bank. The actual VPs work at the Bank HQ(s).
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
Do you leave your food at food courts?
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u/purehostagewolf 4h ago
I feel like you are trying to do a "gatcha" here with this to establish a point. I throw away my food because it is the right thing to do when done eating. Most people should do that. Unfortunately, not everyone is raised with that mindset and will leave food. Hence, why food courts have janitors.
A Short Term Rental is not a food court, though. It is a Short Term Rental. Not Long Term with a landlord. Charge a cleaning fee and hire a cleaner, do it yourself, or get out of the business.
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
The service is a room in a place that happens to have other amenities like a kitchen in a shared space. The service is not "maid 24/7 to clean after you for $30usd/night". Most Airbnb guests think they can pretend to be landlords and bosses for their fees.
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u/Then-Departure4896 22m ago
Dudes fucking stupid as hell but I expect nothing less from an Airbnb host lmfao
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u/External_Trouble1036 5h ago
You can just tell those guests are not homeowners, dying to feel entitled for their $30usd/night
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u/jellatubbies 5h ago
You can just tell this homeowner is a dick, feeling entitled to do nothing to charge fees for petty reasons. Fuck off.
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
You'll buy your own house someday. In the meantime, a $30usd/night does not give you the entitlement over a property that you so desire.
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u/purehostagewolf 5h ago
Acting like this is why people are going back to hotels. It is the Hospitality Industry. Lodging is part of that.
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u/Fuck_your_coupons 4h ago
This sub is genuinely funny. These hosts literally can't comprehend that we don't have to use an Airbnb and Airbnb is enacting these policies to try and bring people back to the platform.
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u/purehostagewolf 4h ago
These new policies did make me genuinely want to try AirBnB again. Then, I saw a link here and that want faded away.
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u/Fuck_your_coupons 4h ago
I used to use them years ago when they actually were a good deal. Now whenever I look to stay near a city, a room in an Airbnb costs more than most 3 star hotels.
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u/Sudden-Purchase-8371 43m ago
And you gotta do chores. Fuck all of that. You can go to a more (generally) conveniently located hotel, and as long as you're not burying a hooker between the mattress and box springs, do next to nothing but pack up and leave when it's time to go.
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
They should go back to hotels. At least at hotels they don't feel it's their own place, lol.
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u/keelhaulrose 🤬 Here for a fight 5h ago
Why were you trusting random strangers to do the kind of dish cleaning that would be acceptable to eat off of to start with?
I've seen people who will scrub plates until they shine, and I've seen people wipe food off with a dirty rag under running water and call it clean.
There's a reason businesses generally don't put "sanitizing cleaning" onto customers' shoulders, because not all customers do adequate cleaning, and it's not always easy to tell just by looking.
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u/oranje-agent 5h ago
Lmao I'm sure this will hurt AirBnb's bottom line
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u/External_Trouble1036 4h ago
Well they called to beg me to go back. Lots of hosts are leaving, that will end up raising prices even more haha.
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u/Cool-Attitude4603 6h ago edited 6h ago
Dont be a landlord to your own fucking house then. Room temp iq abound
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u/MeanShibu 7h ago
Jesus Christ you are so out of touch. You’re competing against hotels who are also “guests.”
I worked in temp stay industry over a decade and the Karen rants like this from owners are just embarrassing
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u/Empty-Visual-2498 7h ago
They’re not just guests though, they’re paying customers. Tough luck, you chose a risky investment that is entirely based on the whims of a tech company. Sucks to suck! Pack it up.
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u/Accordingxod150 7h ago
This really gets to the heart of it. They are paying customers staying at your business. Reffering to them as guests in your home is crazy.
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u/556or762 7h ago
You are a contractor offer a service through a third part business.
The people who stay in the home are customers.
If you do not like how the company you contract with decides to run their business, stop contracting with them. Go to a different business, or go private and do it yourself.
The level of entitlement you have is why the business had to change their model. This is a direct result of the decisions of you and people like you.
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u/yeezuslived 7h ago
Do you charge your friends and family or make them do your dishes when they come over?
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u/Fair_Support9097 7h ago
Maybe you shouldn't have taken on the mortgage for 2 houses if you couldn't afford them on Airbnb income 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Pocketus_Rocketus 7h ago
Grow up. You make money off of these "guests." Acting like you're doing a charity by letting them in your vacation home is just detached idiocy.
These changes should have been policy from the start. It always should have been your job to make sure the property is ready for the next paying customers.
Sounds like a bunch of lazy, wealthy grifters are upset this income source now requires actual effort on their part.
Let this market die if it's too much to ask that a property owner cleans their own property in between rentals. Hotels are cheaper and they don't rely on their previous customers to clean the place. Sounds like comparable hotels would be more sanitary at this point, too.
Y'all just wanna fuck off to the beach and make free money without having to think about it 90% of the time.
Yeah.
No.
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u/Venomswindturd 7h ago
“Do you host people in your home” is so out of touch.
You aren’t hosting anything. You’re charging for the space, and the space is being used.