r/mildlyinfuriating • u/relaqz • 7h ago
ಠ_ಠ Caught our exam grader pasting every essay into ChatGPT
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Not a single word was read per grade.
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u/SiriHowDoIAdult 7h ago
Won't chat gpt also learn from this?
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u/Cloverose2 7h ago
Not if it's Chat EDU. Our university has it and it explicitly isn't used to train the model (it says).
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u/x_conqueeftador69_x 6h ago
They’re absolutely training with it, and when they get caught, they’ll get a slap on the wrist at best.
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u/ArcadianDelSol 6h ago
They'll pay a fine to ensure that only the wealthy can enjoy what is determined to be illegal for everyone else.
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u/RichAnswer3430 7h ago
That's exactly what I would say, if I had an ai company with access to this level of academic papers to learn from.
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u/SpeaksSouthern 6h ago
Considering the technology of today I'm assuming every single billionaire has direct access to anything ever typed into the Internet. Private or not. They have every single byte.
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u/foreverandadayalone 6h ago
AI was trained on stolen content. No reason they'd not keep stealing.
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u/Quiverjones 7h ago
If theres anything i'd want to train the model with it'd be those needs. Except it doesn't lend to replacing jobs.
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u/BobbuBobbu 7h ago edited 7h ago
This is just lazy and he clearly shouldn't have the job.
When we were warned that regular people would just outsource all their thinking to AI, they were talking about this guy.
On the other hand, he could be checking for AI watermarks since both Claude and ChatGPT are inserting watermarks into the text they've generated now.
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u/Ecstatic_Pick7321 7h ago
Hes probably not even getting paid 😂
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u/Beginning-Fig-9089 meaty oaker 7h ago
i was going to say hes probably getting like $5/hr and is expected to grade all of them by 11:59. aint no way in hell hes going to read them word for word and give a real grade lmao
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u/ADeadWeirdCarnie 7h ago edited 6h ago
Everybody's talking about people using LLMs as a crutch, but no one's talking about society breaking people's legs.
If you're trained from birth to believe that the purpose of all human endeavor is simply to get as much done in as little time as possible, then yeah, you're pretty likely to start cutting corners instead of working harder and harder for lesser rewards.
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u/SnausageFest 4h ago
Not to mention, C-suites idea of what productivity looks like with AI is generally very different from the actual output.
I have this conversation with my boss a truly maddening amount. "How is your team using AI to automate their work???" They're not, because we have no tools or budget to invest. "Well what are you building to use AI to automate their tasks???" We aren't. We work in compliance. We don't code. "You need to start using AI!" Okay, where's my budget for software? To hire a dev? Is the completely closed platform product we work in introducing any sort of API we can connect to? No on all fronts? Got it chief. Looking forward to having this same conversation in two weeks.
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u/FakeSafeWord 2h ago
"Hey build us a chat bot that only answers specific work related questions."
Okay I can build a RAG... what am I building it with?
"AI..."
Okay but we either need the hardware in house and I can grab some free model or we need to pay for a platform that I can build a RAG within...
"Just use Copilot"
Gross but okay I need a workspace, repository, access to build things, premium priced access and a token budget.
"Why do you need all of that, everyone already has copilot"
Because I need to build a custom setup, otherwise why aren't they just using copilot to answer their questions?
"Because it doesn't know about that stuff. That's our work stuff."
Right... so... I... have... to... build... that.
"Okay. I'll look into it."
3 weeks later.
"What's the status of that chat bot."
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u/im_just_thinking 7h ago
Can't wait for society to be parented by AI, taught in schools by AI, submit their AI done homework to be graded by AI, then use AI to enter college to keep doing that until one day they can graduate and get a job like this. Makes you wonder how AI companies are able to grow so much while bringing in the opposite of profit
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u/ADeadWeirdCarnie 6h ago
Because the venture capitalists are looking forward to the day when everyone is so reliant on technology for every individual facet of life that they'll pay any price in order to keep the servers running.
The society you're describing is one in which human beings and computers have literally switched places, so that LLMs are performing all the mental labor while human beings are reduced to automata, functioning only to perform assigned tasks and facilitate the transfer of money.
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u/pleasedothenerdful 6h ago
And because how they'll continue quarterly growth once they literally have all the fucking money instead of 99% of it is the only problem they're actually interested in having to solve.
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u/VoluptuousGinger 6h ago
Its already being used in schools.. imagine my surprise when my kindergartener brought home a reading assessment that I looked into further, only to find out its an AI they have the kids read to thay records them.
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u/hixchem 5h ago
This is my nightmare scenario and I will absolutely make myself into A Problem for my kids' school if they pull that shit.
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u/optimustomtv 5h ago
This is the scariest part because then the things that usually need expertise and finesse now get done by randos with no SME, or shoveled into an AI Agent going through everything lightning speed.
So then instead of having things done early, now the expectation is a task takes 5 minutes to do regardless of difficulty, so it becomes "how much MORE can be done?!" Because companies work in hours and "efficiency" more than accuracy and quality nowadays.
The cutting corners is now directly responsible for adding more to that "get as much done in as little time as possible" by theoretically lowering the time spent so you can increase the things done. Siiiiigh.
Data Analysis has been hit hard by this. AI makes Dashboards in 5 minutes we used to take a couple hours doing - but we verified the info as we went. Couple people I know now have jobs as an "AI Analyst" where their entire role is fixing what the Aai messes up manually and then teaching it what it did wrong. So essentially, they end up saving very little time for so much more of an up front cost. But y'know, the AI finished these things so quickly so they're now verifying 10 Dashboards at once instead of a select few that matter.
Just ranting, but your point hits harder than most people think. The "easy way" is actually creating more work now.
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u/OnyxGow 6h ago
This one hundo. University Professors are unapologetically cruel to their TAs. 1/3 minimum wage pay and an asshat telling you need to finish your job even if its 2am.
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u/iwishiwasamoose 5h ago
I was an essay grader in undergrad and I got something like $13 per hour. That was 15 years ago.
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u/illiter-it 7h ago
He's probably getting paid to do research and got stuck with the job of screening papers for bare minimum requirements instead
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u/unExtant 4h ago
Look most of you have no idea what this guy's life is like.
I am not sure but if he's a PhD student/candidate then his life is he's got a full job of doing his PhD to do. He got added to help teach this class and given very little support. He might not even be doing his PhD in the field this class covers.
So for the minimum pay he's receiving he's blasting through the work to get back to his PhD so he can move on with his life.
Is it the best situation. . . No but I would argue it's entirely understandable.
Tldr: Universities exploit students to teach classes and I can't fault this guy for just getting through it
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u/Saritiel 5h ago
Yeah, I've got a buddy who got his Phd and regularly had to do stuff like this while doing it. He said that this kind of work made his life absolute hell since every minute he'd spend grading student papers or essays was a minute he wasn't able to be spending on his Phd research.
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u/modzRtarderz 5h ago
That's not how it works at all. You are either paid as a TA or RA, and the responsibilities do not ever intersect. And it absolutely doesn't make sense to waste an RA's time with grading, though I'm sure in extremely limited circumstances it still happens.
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u/illiter-it 5h ago
I was brought on as an RA, and when our grant ran out my last year I had to TA (not full responsibility , but screening essays and responding to student questions if I could) to get funds to finish out the research portion.
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u/Exotic-Slice-5493 7h ago
Usually TAs that are grading assignments are paid. While not universal, that's what is typical
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u/Pandarandr1st 6h ago
I'm pretty sure that is universal. They're getting paid in dollars or a tuition waiver or both.
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u/welpthishappened1 7h ago
If TAs didn't get compensated nobody would be a TA
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u/StillStaringAtTheSky 7h ago
Sometimes people are required to TA as part of their program. Most grad programs have TAships that will pay you just enough to try to eat- so like $22k/year- but you can't say no because there's 1-2 required years of TAing.
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u/Ecstatic_Pick7321 7h ago
I knew many who did it basically for free/slave wages just to be apart of project or for letter of rec its not uncommon
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u/Chawp 7h ago
More like if TAs didn’t get compensated nobody would be a grad student. That doesn’t make it pay well. It’s more like, if you want to research something you’re passionate about, you need to accept the pittance and time intensive work they burden you with. Academia is a weird place.
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u/Lord_dokodo 6h ago
That's how most of the world operates. "Newbies" are given the grunt work not because it's suitable for their level of intelligence or work experience but because it's work that HAS to be done yet no one wants to do it. So you push it onto the new guy cause fuck him he doesn't really matter yet.
It's also a shit test to see how willing they are to play by the rules. It's a power play in that regard. Because humans are creatures of rules, culture, and, most importantly, hierarchy. If you don't want to respect the hierarchy, then you don't get to fit in.
It's also why hazing exists in fraternities, sports teams, big finance companies. It's a tradition in a sense that the new guys are given rough treatment because everyone else before them also went through the same experience. Tell people to let go of their traditions and see how well that goes.
And it's not just limited to the traditional sense of "hazing". Even people who abhor fraternities often haze other people who join their new group. Ask anyone whose ever gone skiing with a group of experienced skiers and ask them how they learned how to ski. MANY of them will tell you that they were forced to dive bomb down a green by their buddies and eat shit at the end of it.
Ask a chef what their job was when they first started working in a kitchen. They might have been a "line cook" but they probably were forced to do the shit no one else wanted to do like cleaning dishes after the dish washer left for the evening, taking out trash, and picking up the slack for other jobs when things got rough. I've worked plenty of blue collar jobs when I was younger and this was how pretty much all of them went. The new guy has to do the dirty work because when I was the new guy, I was forced to do the dirty work so you will too.
Ultimately, it probably goes back to some tribalistic mindset that is engrained into our biology. A test to see if someone truly belongs in the "in-group" or if they're just an imposter. A test to see if someone is trustworthy and reliable or if they're "different" and don't belong. Cause we all went through the same shit and came out on the other side. So if this guy can't do it, what's his deal?
Plus people are lazy creatures and if someone else will clean the bathrooms and pick up shit up off the floor, that means I don't have to do it and that is a win.
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u/Seethcoomers 7h ago
If this is the US, he's probably getting paid. I TA'd undergrad when I was in Grad school and made $15 an hour plus a partial tuition waiver.
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u/JoeCoT 6h ago
Extremely lazy. He could just put all the essays in a folder and upload that in one shot instead of copying and pasting.
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u/cridersab 5h ago
Yeah, it is doubly sad that he is being so inefficient in his method of manually highlighting text to copy rather than at least using keyboard shortcuts, let alone batch processing.
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u/subaqueousReach 4h ago
It honestly astounds me how many people don't know basic keyboard functions outside of ctrl+c, ctrl+v. It's not even a generational thing, because I know plenty of people my age who also don't know them.
You'd think with how much everyone uses computers, they'd know a little bit more about how to actually use them.
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u/Spacecatflam 7h ago
How do you watermark text?
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u/Nomapos 7h ago
Short texts are pretty much impossible to do, but a long text can be easily marked. Dumb example, every 353rd letter is g and every 172nd is e.
They can hide in text much more complex patterns that are completely invisible to us but statistically obvious
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u/mr_strawsma 6h ago
Wouldn't that only work if people are generating whole swaths of text? Like pages and pages? I can't imagine how it could embed detectable patterns like that in a two-page essay or something, which is the more common problem.
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u/Sad_Expert2 5h ago
You need about 400 tokens to be pretty accurate. There is no reason for you to understand it. I'm not trying to be condescending, but that the ability for us to understand or even be able to imagine something isn't necessary to make it true, and far far too many things these days are just "I don't feel this could be true."
It's running statistical analysis on the text that your brain could never do, of course it's hard to imagine.
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u/TengenToppa 6h ago
people can rewrite the generated text though, but yeah becomes tiring if they need to rewrite the whole thing (but keep the ideas)
which i guess is the whole goal, if its too hard to do it people wont do it so it works
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u/illiter-it 7h ago
My understanding is that Anthropic recently introduced a system of text watermarking that functions by changing how output tokens are selected, opting for a pattern of using less conventional language that can be detected as AI when taken as a whole due to the statistics of it all
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u/TaleOfDash 6h ago
It's like how spies and counter-intelligence used to hide messages in every day texts, newspaper ads, etc. It looks like nothing to the average eye but if you know what you're looking for then you can find the nuclear codes hidden in the bakery ad.
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u/TheGoldenTNT 7h ago
That seems like a good thing, the hidden code I mean. as long as you can’t ask them to just not embed an identifier in this one
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u/Future_Elephant_9294 6h ago
Claude and Gemini change the actual generator before it gives any output, it slightly weights the text so that there's a small chance of putting in an "uncommon" word (i.e. instead of outputting "I love candy" it outputs "I adore candy", both fit the same sentiment. It's also "uncommon" in the opinion of AI rather than people, so it could be swapping out for a more common word in human speech.), it's only 1 in 50 words or so and always changes out a word which doesn't change too much to the meaning of the sentence, but using math and statistical analysis it can be determined with around 400 tokens (a token is about 3-4 letters).
The only way to avoid this code (as it's part of the AI decision making to generate any information, not just a filter applied to the final output) is to use an older version of the AI from before this was implemented, which isn't the default and most likely won't be an option for the major providers. On August 2nd, the EU required that all providers in the EU must have this technology though I don't know if there's any public AI Text detecting software, just closed developer betas.
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u/ArcadianDelSol 6h ago
This will absolutely foist false positives upon people who possess a broad vocabulary.
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u/Hdjbbdjfjjsl 7h ago edited 3h ago
I don’t think the chatbot itself is actually made to check for watermarks and such, there are specific separated tools for that. Also, OpenAI doesn’t actually use any full scale text watermarking. Absolutely zero clue why this comment blew up with 10K karma despite being wrong in every way.
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u/Cyptark 7h ago
Yes but uploading someone else's work to an AI is really unethical, and against most university code of conduct rules etc
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u/BobbuBobbu 7h ago
Oh. 100%. That's why he shouldn't have the job.
These tools are not private and someone's work could include commercially relevant (or personal) info and he just basically uploaded it to OpenAI.
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u/Dimogas 6h ago
Which is still crazy because OUR work goes into an AI database... wtf?
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u/OnlyMons 6h ago
But what’s the point of him doing this ? Does his school not have a contract with turnitin it something like it ? Other than free feeding OpenAI this is a such a wasteful way to grade these days, and can’t be the full story.
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u/zurx 5h ago
In HS I always assumed the teacher aides didn't actually review everything. So I tested it once in Spanish class. Back of 4th page, I purposely mistranslated the last sentence as: "Mrs. (Teacher's name) is a bitch." I got 100% credit for that assignment.
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u/KonChaiMudPi 4h ago
At the end of a year in high school I was going through my school Google drive and I found an assignment that was only halfways completed that I forgot to finish, and for one question I just wrote the word "dick" in thirteen different fonts. I got like a 95 on that assignment. To this day I don't know if the teacher just assumed it would be good because I was a good student or if they went through it, thought "honestly, that's fair" and just never penalized me.
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u/kitsunewarlock 3h ago
Meanwhile I had papers tagged as fraudulent and couldn't register for classes because I had to wait an extra month to see if I passed as they hand-checked my essay against existing works in the library.
At least the teacher apologized. Apparently they weren't used to students who could actually write decent papers. It was a good confidence booster! But I shudder at the thought of having to go through that shit every semester in a post-AI world.
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u/Quibbloboy 2h ago
I had an English teacher in high school who had multiple classes of ~30ish kids work on "journal entries" every week (maybe every day?), and she would collect them and grade them, but I was sure she wasn't reading them all. One time I hid an "If you're still reading, underline this sentence." in there and handed it in. Got it back, no underline. I felt like a kid who snuck out of bed and caught his parents stuffing his Christmas stocking.
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u/TheOffKn1ght 2h ago
We’re all going to be completely smooth brained in 5 years barely able to read and comprehend what’s on our phones. News will be done in meme format.
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u/-Ahab- 40m ago
What truly irritates me is that the people who rely on it the most act like knowing how to actually do it yourself is proof that you’re an idiot because you wasted time learning how to do it.
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u/PurpleV93 23m ago
The lazy, talentless and arrogant population has finally found their holy grail that makes them feel like they can finally do things with the snap of a finger. Without putting in the training to build skills.
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u/PutinDisDickInTrump 7h ago edited 7h ago
Call them* out. Bring it up to someone. This is lazy bullshit.
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u/Prize-Sandwich391 6h ago
As a prof, I’d want to know if my TA was doing this. Feeding student work to a non-local LLM without student consent violates student privacy/intellectual property and constitutes, imho, possible misconduct. If any student name or ID are included it’s also a FERPA issue waiting to happen.
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u/catsCantCode 5h ago
My thought as well. Potential FERPA violation, which could have huge consequences for the school. Report immediately
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u/BagSalt7633 6h ago
Possibly, but a lot of universities have business accounts with ChatGPT that are FERPA-compliant now.
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u/marr 5h ago
Has anyone been able to independently verify it's not just the usual servers wearing a compliance hat?
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u/a_filing_cabinet 7h ago
Lol who? The administration that's asking teachers to start incorporating AI into their teaching? Odds are they're being praised for this exact behavior
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u/urbancrier 7h ago
they might be trained to do that (i teach college and ai is now built in)
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u/TwinkiesSucker 7h ago
Yes, but using inappropriate tools means that the essays will be used for further model training and without the consent of the students, this is questionable at best
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u/spankpaddle 6h ago
This is a video and a title no context, nothing. It could be any video from anywhere with this text thrown on it.
Are people this guillible in real life?
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u/memtiger 6h ago
I just figured he was asking if ChatGPT or another agent wrote it. Or if sections were copied/pasted from public sources... Not to actually grade it. It could also be used to validate the data. Or do a cursory spelling/grammer check.
There's a lot of uses for AI beyond just the laziest possible answer.
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u/Enlight1Oment 5h ago
my assumption as well. I don't see him writing a grade, looks more like just copy paste into a field that reads whether the text was likely written by AI.
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u/Equivalent-Long4396 4h ago
It's easier to manipulate & lie to someone than to convince them they're being manipulated and lied to.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR___ISSUES 5h ago
More than 9k upvotes in an hour.
This is obviously being pushed by bots.
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u/Brief-Weekend7630 5h ago
I was wondering about the same thing. They are filming someone to put up online for scrutiny just to farm karma without them knowing, kind of dick move.
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u/Gratuitous_Nudity 6h ago
Should have yelled "ctrl A then ctrl C or command A then command C" Using the mouse to copy and paste the whole essay in sections is a waste of time.
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u/A_Trash_Homosapien 6h ago
I'd bet the whole essay is over a character limit so he has to do it in chunks
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u/Reddit_grill oh so you like it? PUT IT DOWN 7h ago edited 7h ago
yeah he needs to go, that's just being lazy
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u/PhazePyre 5h ago
Enshitification of humanity is the next goal of late stage capitalism. Make us incapable so we're dependent on their stupid tech.
To me, ChatGPT shouldn't be treated like a fucking Calculator. They are very different concepts. A calculator doesn't substitute intelligence, it substitutes time invested. ChatGPT absolutely substitutes intelligence. A calculator replaces the need to do all the long work, it doesn't replace knowing what you need to do the work. If I don't know the quadratic equation, the calculator isn't going to help me remember I need to use it. ChatGPT though will just be fed the question and give the output. No learning, just copying answers over. To me, that's no different than asking your friend to copy the answers off them. You aren't investing intelligence into solving anything. ChatGPT is.
It turns people into simple labour monsters, not independent thinkers. God forbid AI ever actually became competent or even close to AGI, and we'll just be tools for it, not the other way around. We'll be the hands of the machine until we build our replacements. Then it will get rid of us. That's the long term skynet shit. I assume the bubble will burst before then. And Gen Z/Alpha are going to be the least capable generation. Not saying they won't have capable people, the median competency will just be much, much lower. We're going to see a lot of people lose jobs because they can't do them as AI companies begin to disappear over the next 10-15. Costs will be so high it won't be a helpful tool outside of being an advanced search engine. Automation and getting it to do shit for you will be too cost prohibitive, or take way too fucking long, so it won't be beneficial for time intensive tasks and those people will be caught with their pants down.
Next couple decades are going to be rough. I'm sick of that. Sick of everything being rough. I want to feel like humanity is thriving, not declining. I want good news to be "Wow, that's amazing News!" and not "Oh thank fuck good news, we needed this"
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u/Bob-Bhlabla-esq 5h ago
Amen, man. We can sleep back-to-back like Forrest Gump and Bubba when Skynet turns on us.
But somehwat seriously, yeah, I wanna feel that too - that "Yay! That's cool!" instead of that general bummer malaise of hearing news these days.
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u/PhazePyre 4h ago
Yeah, maybe it's exhaustion, but I feel like it isn't. Shit really sucks and has for a decade. I know it's horrible, but I'm thrilled for when Trump is gone-gone. I'm sick of seeing that stupid fucking mug on the news constantly and all his bullshit. I long for the days of War Criminals like Bush. He was only on the News (here in Canada) every few days or weeks with a silly misquote. Now? Constant barrage of Trump shit. Just absolutely constant. I want him gone so there's nothing to show. It's been a decade, I'm fucking done with this show, give me a series finale and let's all fucking move on as a species for that fucking fool.
I want to have good news feel expected, not out of place. I hate the feeling that I can't actually pursue a future because the future is unknown and bleak. I want a kid so fucking bad, but these horrible sacks of monstrous shit have stolen futures from us. I can't even afford a home and my gf and I take home over 100K a year. That should be enough to get a home before I'm 40. But who the fuck knows. I'm sure there will be a once in a lifetime financial crisis for the 4th or 5th time of my life once we're ready to do that. At this rate, my first kid will be when I'm fucking 40.
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u/Big_Lengthiness3450 7h ago
Maybe he can't tell if the students are using AI for assignments, so he's asking ChatGPT if the content was generated by AI before giving a proper grade.
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u/Aquittaine 7h ago
Then he shouldnt be a grader. AI detectors and AI itself are wrong the majority of time about what's AI-generated and what's not.
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u/Extreme_Yesterday_93 7h ago
AI now has watermarks for text.
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u/Aquittaine 7h ago
I literally just went into ChatGPT and gave it the prompt "generate an essay, remove all signs it's AI-generated, add common human errors to humanize it, and make it sound like a human wrote it" and then put it back into a new account, asking if it can detect if it's AI-generated. This is what it spit out at me.
"No — I cannot confirm that this essay is AI-generated.
- Watermarks: I found no visible watermarks in the text provided. However, text pasted into a chat does not contain the metadata needed to reliably check its origin.
- Writing style: The essay has a clear, predictable structure and generic examples that could be consistent with AI writing.
- Signs of human writing: Informal wording such as “dont” and “isnt,” along with the straightforward phrasing, could be consistent with a student’s writing, but these are not proof either way.
My verdict for grading: Inconclusive. The essay could be AI-assisted or entirely student-written. Do not mark it as AI-generated based on the text alone. Compare it with the student's previous work or ask them to explain their arguments and writing process."
.-. r we fr rn
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u/Hot-Percentage-2240 7h ago
Try this: https://chatgpt.com/writing/ai-detector/
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u/Aquittaine 7h ago
Just put an essay from 2002, and it says it has a moderate to high chance of being AI generated.
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u/coonwhiz 6h ago
JFC you could have made billions! You had AI before anyone else.
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u/DearestxRed 7h ago
I would be so mad if my thoughts and work were just loaded into AI like it’s no big deal.
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u/userhwon 6h ago
That frustration is deeply valid. Having your mental labor, writing, or art scraped and absorbed into a machine model without consent or respect feels like a violation of your intellectual property and personal agency.
Why This Hurts So Much
• Loss of Ownership: Your ideas represent your time, focus, and life experience. When they are mass-harvested, you lose control over how your voice is packaged and regurgitated. • Devaluation of Human Effort: AI models turn deep creative struggles into instant patterns, making unique human labor look cheap or easily replaceable. • The "Skill Atrophy" Trap: Relying too much on automated tools lowers active brain connectivity and makes independent thinking harder to sustain.
How to Protect Your Work and Energy
• Lock Down Your Content: Use metadata tags, strict privacy settings, or no-index protocols on your personal sites if you publish online. • Keep the First Draft Human: Write, sketch, or brainstorm on paper or offline first so your cognitive process stays yours before any digital tool touches it. • Treat AI as a Mirror, Not a Source: If you use AI at all, use it strictly to challenge or edit your already finished thoughts rather than letting it generate the core of your work.
Would you like to explore ways to opt your writing or art out of web scrapers, or are you dealing with a specific platform that used your work?
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u/hpstg 6h ago
lol fuck my life
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u/dfsw 4h ago
You're right to push back your life is pretty fucked. Would you like to explore options?
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u/onlythisfar 6h ago
I'm laughing at this assuming it's satire please please tell me it's satire I can't tell anymore I'm tired
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u/clduab11 5h ago
It's okay to be tired! That’s completely understandable. AI-generated writing can be difficult to identify, especially when it uses polished structure, excessive validation, and suspiciously well-organized bullet points.
Here are 3 signs to look for:
• Unnecessary headings
• Relentless emotional validation
• Offering to explore the topic furtherWould you like me to analyze the comment above for signs of AI-generated text?
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u/FancyPantsRants1 6h ago
If it makes your feel better your work was never very valuable in the first place and odds are your college professors didnt read between your intro and your conclusion
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u/ElonInfectedSpace 5h ago
Students shouldn't have to write papers for a FUCKING COMPUTER to read. Anybody defending this is a dumb loser.
Any student who is getting their papers read by a computer instead of a T.A. or teacher deserves a refund on their tuition
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u/erossthescienceboss 5h ago edited 4h ago
I mean, I agree. I’d never use AI to grade.
But also, students need to write their own papers. I started teaching before AI, and I can’t begin to explain how utterly, incredibly demoralizing it is to read slop day in and day out, spending hours (far more hours than we are paid for, btw, I get paid for 10 hours a week per class but each class takes 20) grading plagiarism. Doing that wasn’t a huge deal when students were learning. But sweating for dollars when they’re cheating? Awful.
I’d never use AI to grade because I think AI is fundamentally unethical. But I get the motivation: we’re just cogs in the degree machine right now. Nobody is learning anything we teach.
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u/Intelligent_Break_12 5h ago
I thought they do this to see if the paper was written by AI. Maybe he is doing it to avoid reading them but I recall hearing how now they have to take extra time to check on who uses AI to complete homework since it's so prevalent anymore. If it's to grade though yeah that's bs.
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u/Traditional_Log809 6h ago
Student: AI, write my essay. Professor: AI, grade this essay. Me, a tax-paying human: so what exactly is the tuition for?
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u/justhereforfighting 6h ago
You're missing the first step where the professor asks AI to generate the essay prompt to begin with
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u/Whole_Start_4852 5h ago
This is almost certainly a FERPA violation because student works are being shared with a public LLM without their consent.
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u/BigBeefDipped 7h ago
Is it possible he’s running it through chat gpt to check if these essays were written by AI? I believe that’s something most university professors do nowadays
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u/ky7969 7h ago
There are dedicated, much more efficient ways to do that. This guy is just being lazy by not reading them at all.
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u/Mewtwo2387 7h ago
That's a terrible way to do so. You can't check LLM generated text with an LLM, it'll just spit out bullshit. There are dedicated detectors to detect AI watermarks.
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u/Haatsku 7h ago
Which are also bullshit. Teacher accused me of using AI on all my papers. Wrote one infront of her without laptop or phone, with pen and paper. She then made it in to a word document word for word and it came out as 78%+ AI.
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u/SignoreMookle 7h ago
For images sure. But for text? How do you get watermarks from copy and pasted text?
Edit: not trying to be an ass, genuinely curious based on what I know about watermarks.
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u/DontHaesMeBro 7h ago
not to speak for the person, but most people who say "watermark" here are more talking about hallmarks or patterns, not a literal technical watermark
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u/metatalks Mildly Infuriated 7h ago
https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-text-watermark
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u/Skoodge42 7h ago
I was a TA in grad school...I had to read them all, sometimes more than once in order to make sure I was being fair an balanced in my grading reaosning.
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u/Kothica 7h ago
The problem with cheating/"innovation" is that, the first movers of cheating gets the most benefit for being the new strategy
Then everyone adopts it to keep up
Then it becomes an expense that is the new normal
Then the cycle repeats while things get worse and worse
Sometimes, humanity needs to collectively say no to some things and not let the first movers get away with not playing nice.
While this post is about using AI, the same concept can be used for something as simple as cutting lines:
Society, or, the queue/line can accommodate a couple of people who cut.
But if everyone does it, all that will be accomplished, is that we lost the orderly line, formed a ball of sweat, smells, bumped shoulders and stubbed toes that is essentially another form of the line/queue but worse.
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u/Alexandratta 4h ago
He may be searching the essay's for AI.
Using AI to detect AI is common in school - and if you used AI in a paper just about every school considers it plagiarism.
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u/Grouched 3h ago
Just copying the essays straight into an open LLM chat is an insanely unreliable and irresponsible way of checking for AI, though.
It should at the very least be a specialized AI tool doing that. So that would still be bad, although at least less bad than ChatGPT straight up grading stuff
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u/Legitimate-Elk-9481 6h ago
could easily be an ai checker? why jump to assume he's grading them
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u/alaxens 6h ago
That was my first thought, was checking to see if they were written with AI
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u/tribopower 5h ago
Damn... and then you have cases of people actually doing their essays, but somehow it's flagged as AI... I wonder why now....
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u/xoxodaddysgirlxoxo 5h ago
Right? We are feeding them our original essays so what's going to be left?
Essays are hard enough to write without this shit
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u/caractacusbritannica 6h ago
Amateur. Build an app or an artifact and just drop the folder. Get a ranking table spat out, average grading. Do a load of report. Bro has AI and it still looks like hard work.
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u/the_nin_collector 2h ago
yeah, a college professor and fairly heavy user of AI, I would never do this. Very unethical.
For a grade, for a test. Yes, unethical. I have published on this very fact. Presented at conferences. Black-and-white unethical use of AI for a teacher.
AI can of course, be great to offer feedback or preliminary ranking, but when it comes to GRADING, if you can't explain to a student why or where a grade came from, it's unethical. I would even have minor issues with it as a Scantron-type device, multiple-choice checking, unless I had data that it was as accurate as a Scantron device and not prone to errors anymore in that scenario.
Honestly, I would go to the school and show them this and ask why you are paying.
Also, great point by others, if he isn't using EDU version, all this student data is getting fed to OpenAI. Which goes against the privacy policies of most schools that I know (also doing a massive 3 year study, if I get my grant, about that as well).
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u/zavorak_eth 1h ago
I just started a new job and was working with an engineer who immediately checks ai whenever he is dealing with anything he has to think about. We are so screwed. Absolutely no critical thinking going on right now.
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u/iamsurfriend 7h ago
It’s hard to say with only 18 seconds of video what he is actually doing.
Not really fair to judge we do not see the whole picture.
Seeing if papers were written by AI, quick check for grammer, spelling errors, or whatever.
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u/JustinKase_Too 7h ago
Might they be checking the essays for evidence of AI being used?
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u/BananaFucker93 7h ago
That's not how AI works and if the grader were to say the students used AI because the grader's chatgpt said so, a ton of students would wrongfully be accused
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u/Smitherzzz2693 6h ago
They do this to check for ai writing. Pretty common practice amongst teachers. They can set rules in the AI agent to check for certain things.
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u/Ananeos 6h ago
AI thinks pride and prejudice is 100% AI generated so that's not an indicator of anything.
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u/nemesit 6h ago
llms cannot detect llm output. the teacher would have to have access to openai checking tool but he does not
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u/Star-Detonator 5h ago
That person is checking the articles to see if they were written by AI. If you look closely, you can see that is what he appears to be doing.
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u/SenorCacti 7h ago
what if he’s just checking if it’s written by AI or was plagiarized first? yall jump to conclusions too fast
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u/commantoes 7h ago
chat gpt is inaccurate (like it is in everything, as it is PREDICTIVE) in determining if something is written using AI, so that doesn’t make it better
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u/AngryKing2007 4h ago
This is hundreds of steps above "mildly" infuriating. This is catastrophically infuriating at least
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u/Lumpy_Chapter171 7h ago
I don't see what he is doing with it? For all i can see the promt could be "was this essay generated with AI"
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u/Salt_End_4275 6h ago
So is the guy trying to detect evidence that the students were cheating? Or just getting help with grading? I mean, AI is MEANT to be used to help automate repetitive tasks, but you need to be smart about how you apply it. Expecting AI to just wholesale do your job with no input other than copy/paste isn't going to result in a good output.
As we like to say in the biz: "Garbage in, Garbage out."
This doesn't really mean anything without context.
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u/Gangsta_Thug1337 7h ago
ChatGPT wondering why he's pasting back all the things it wrote just last night.