Completely stretched helmets in forever

[u/Weltenbaum]

[u/Spectshen]

Its juggernaut!

[u/Madshibs → u/Spectshen]

[u/Aethyrianzul → u/Madshibs]

We are number one

[u/Zintha → u/Spectshen]

[u/Ar3s701 → u/Spectshen]

I planned for this

[u/SpenglerPoster → u/Spectshen]

Bitch! 

[u/iaintreadinthatbud → u/Spectshen]

“DON’T YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AH-UM! I’M THE MOTHERFUCKIN’ JUGGERNAUT! LOOK HOW TIGHT MY COSTUME IS!”

[u/Vineares → u/iaintreadinthatbud]

Ah Chawles get out my head Chawles!

[u/Easy_Crew_1258 → u/Vineares]

Beat me to it lmao

[u/Melbuf → u/Spectshen]

i raided with someone in vanilla that every time he joined vent it said "im the juggernaut bitch" was rather comical, also he was terrible at the game

[u/Robey-Wan_Kenobi → u/Spectshen]

Then it turns into Magento.

[u/E-Schmachtenberg → u/Robey-Wan_Kenobi]

Magento

[u/ewriick → u/Spectshen]

The slightly askew helmet gets me

[u/Rotund-Pear2604 → u/Spectshen]

I remember being a 10 year old kid and thinking he's the lamest villain ever.

What's your super power then Juggernaut?
My head kinda looks like a boob, and I burst through walls like the kool-aid man.
That's it?
Pretty much yep.

Dayum 🙄

[u/Temporary_Hawk_9061 → u/Rotund-Pear2604]

They did him dirty in the film, in the comics he’s like the avatar of a god or something

[u/Skruttans → u/Spectshen]

Came here to say this. Im the juggernaut Bitch!

[u/KoriKaizen]

This is so cursed

[u/Volothamp-Geddarm → u/KoriKaizen]

"I'm the Juggernaut, bitch"

[u/Erasmusings → u/Volothamp-Geddarm]

Get outta mah head Charles

[u/Aspectxd → u/KoriKaizen]

WASH YER BACK!

[u/Rohbo → u/KoriKaizen]

I'm kind of confused, is this the classic or forever model?

The title makes it sound like this one is the classic, and the "stretched" one is Forever. But then there are a bunch of people acting like the one on the left is so amazing and the one on the right is an atrocity and "how could Blizzard ship it like this?"

I'm just so confused.

[u/JerkGurk → u/KoriKaizen]

Can hear it dragging its cock in the vents.

[u/EffectiveSwimming136]

Is anyone able to verify this in game? I'm done with believing random screenshots from twitter.

Edit: NAHHH DUDE WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

Edit2: Helmet is Jouster's Visor/Icemetal Barbute can check in game for yourselves.

[u/GoodPacing → u/EffectiveSwimming136]

Temu Magneto

[u/SalandaBlanda → u/EffectiveSwimming136]

It's to let his nose breath.

[u/Brawght → u/EffectiveSwimming136]

LMFAO

[u/Naclsack → u/EffectiveSwimming136]

To be fair I don't see how someone can look at this and not think its fucken excellent.

Can we keep this one?

[u/Honest_Radio5875 → u/Naclsack]

I'm dying laughing at this absolute legendary work of art.

[u/dontreadmyprofileplz → u/EffectiveSwimming136]

This is cooked

[u/SiliconBetting]

Why does it remind me of Gimli in the LOTR Zoom call reunion?

[u/onzalitu → u/SiliconBetting]

deep cut

[u/RedGrobo]

Important to remember the footman style helm on the right is iconic, and say what you will it feels off to have its shape changed.

[u/GenderJuicy → u/RedGrobo]

Not like they can't get it to look good on a Dwarf in HD either

[u/Kobusc2 → u/GenderJuicy]

¿That's a footman? it looks like a champion or knight

[u/nonpuissant → u/Kobusc2]

Warcraft footman, yeah. It's a unit from the old RTS games. 

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Footman_%28Warcraft_III%29

[u/Gefarate → u/Kobusc2]

Nah youre correct. This is the "elite" version. This is the closest thing we have to WC3 footman. The "middle" version. The elite helm is used in the cinematics though

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/718240.jpg

[u/Sorst → u/RedGrobo]

Excuse me sir. A dwarf is not a footman

[u/lbaile200 → u/Sorst]

He's at least a 3-or-4-footman

[u/MilkyTeaFTW]

This looks awful lol. I get why people see this as a big issue, the way my character looks is a big part of my enjoyment for the game.

[u/Front-Investigator68 → u/MilkyTeaFTW]

Perfectly put. The looks of the character I’m staring at 99% of the time I play this game is really important to me lol

[u/LCDCMetaux → u/Front-Investigator68]

Yeah that’s why I don’t play troll cuz I don’t like these big ass feet lmao

[u/KingPalleKuling → u/LCDCMetaux]

Let them dogs out man, ankle warmers are life.

[u/imnotpoopingyouare → u/KingPalleKuling]

Take off the boots so you can hear them piggies slap on the stone.

[u/KingPalleKuling → u/imnotpoopingyouare]

Like a duck waddling through the streets. 🎵 pat pat pat

[u/passwordistako → u/KingPalleKuling]

Troll enjoyer and Baja Men enthusiast, here.

Let them breathe.

[u/LCDCMetaux → u/KingPalleKuling]

I’m fine with them being like this ! I don’t play them but I don’t want it changed

[u/Randvek → u/MilkyTeaFTW]

People who care about what their character looks like aren't rolling Dwarf,

[u/ArtsyFartsyBear → u/Randvek]

Thats not true! We are beautiful.

[u/PsyOpBunnyHop → u/ArtsyFartsyBear]

Yes, gorgeous. All three of you.

[u/Ryntex → u/Randvek]

What if you like the way Dwarves look? Those beards are just majestic.

[u/Dogghma → u/Randvek]

Not very wash yer back of you

[u/Littlederp_ → u/Randvek]

HD dwarves actually look good ngl, and I say that as a long time Dwarf hater

[u/MoltenIdol → u/Littlederp_]

Those words would mean something coming from a long time dwarf LOVER

[u/Blitz-Lexikon → u/Randvek]

Never have I read such an incorrect sentence

[u/DwarfNoises → u/Randvek]

FRONT PAGE OF THE BOOK

[u/Dynazty → u/Randvek]

It’s one thing to have a shit opinion but to air it out like this in public is crazy. Good for you

[u/vanguardk → u/MilkyTeaFTW]

I've never played wow, so it might suprise you to know they both look awful, hope this helps.

[u/Legacypicker → u/vanguardk]

I dont play wow and the one on the right isnt anything crazy good, but its fine. While the one on the left is comically bad.

[u/Rohbo → u/Legacypicker]

Glad someone said it. The one on the left is horrible.

[u/_WhiskeyPunch_ → u/vanguardk]

Played wow for a very long time, and yeah, both look awful. Why would you ever put this helmet on a dwarf anyway?...

[u/Thekingchem]

If they're going to do that at least turn the beard on

[u/shukaji → u/Thekingchem]

nah, please just turn my monitor off

[u/Kman1427]

[u/Muffles7 → u/Kman1427]

[u/TheManicProgrammer → u/Muffles7]

Smashing!

[u/sadsquash → u/Kman1427]

[u/12ozSlug → u/sadsquash]

Come to daddy

[u/nunatakq → u/Kman1427]

DLSS 5

[u/EarthernResident → u/Kman1427]

Keep yer feet on the ground

[u/Ganondorfsfist → u/Kman1427]

I'm the JUGGERNAUT, BITCH!

[u/Benjamminmiller → u/Kman1427]

Pretty sure that's Merab Dvalishvili

[u/ShermansAngryGhost → u/Kman1427]

This is art.

[u/AppearanceLiving3406]

Juggernaut vs Magneto ah post

[u/aAdramahlihk → u/AppearanceLiving3406]

My first thought as well, that dwarf is the juggernaut, bitch!

[u/FheXhe → u/aAdramahlihk]

[u/iHaveComplaints → u/AppearanceLiving3406]

ass

[u/Thurn42]

It's crazy because those skeleton and meshes are on retail but gear looks ok on them 

[u/sgrunte → u/Thurn42]

Yea I've done some goofy transmogs on a male dwarf in retail and that helmet (Icemetal Barbute) looks just like the right picture. Weird Forever-only glitch

[u/OpinionDude5000]

I demand that our beards show in all their glory!

Ngl, Helms always looked terrible on Dwarves because they never incorporate the beard!

[u/bronzekobold → u/OpinionDude5000]

Aye if left helm leads to seeing the uncropped beard I think that's be a major win. 

[u/liggy4 → u/bronzekobold]

I think that's what it's supposed to do, because the beard does show in retail. Might be a bug.

[u/ShoulderpadInsurance]

They really need to just abandon these models and bring back the originals if we’re going to run into issues like this constantly.

Floating shields and meth faces…

[u/ZombieMarkTwained]

Jesus that's the helm from RFD right?

Why did they change the model at all?

[u/_leeloo_7_]

one is shaped like a combat helmet the other... lets just say its a good job its not pink

(now I can't unsee it)

[u/TheDesktopNinja → u/_leeloo_7_]

[u/Snoo_96078 → u/_leeloo_7_]

[u/RazekDPP → u/_leeloo_7_]

Time to put on your special helmet like in the PBF comic, small man. (NWS) https://pbfcomics.com/comics/small-man/

[u/ENTHUSIASMpedestrian → u/_leeloo_7_]

LMFAO

[u/Desperson]

Almost like the SD models were an afterthought and not planned for the game

[u/Brocolo → u/Desperson]

Its crazy to me that they were fully prepared to release classic plus with retail models and be like, yep, this is exactly what people want

[u/josoda667 → u/Brocolo]

Yep and other people on this sub will call you an asshole for being skeptical of the dev team despite facts like this existing. Like cool I appreciate you guys sort of fixed it but if we’re being real why did you fuck it up to begin with

[u/Honest_Radio5875 → u/josoda667]

There are some silly complaints on this sub, but this one...this is one is pretty damning. Why did it take feedback so late in development to come to the conclusion that classic models would be important to classic+...

[u/ChapterDifficult593 → u/Brocolo]

I mean, I see the idea behind it. If Classic+ is supposed to be a reimagined and updated version of Classic it makes sense that they'd have new models.

Whether or not it was the right move is up to individual taste but the logic is there whether you agree with it or not.

[u/After_Performer998 → u/ChapterDifficult593]

The logic may be there but it still doesn't make sense when NOT A SINGLE PLAYER from classic has ever said "We want retail models in classic."

It's just an extremely narrow minded decision without any consideration for the community sentiment from the classic players.

[u/These_Orange9286 → u/ChapterDifficult593]

Having new models is not the same as importing retail models though. The current implementation is just lazy.

[u/ChapterDifficult593 → u/These_Orange9286]

I don't disagree, but I don't see how much different a "new" model could really look from what they've already done in Retail before it stops looking like WoW.

[u/Pandawanabe]

Oh god , thats horrible

[u/brstra]

Don’t you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!

[u/EffectiveSwimming136 → u/[deleted]]

It is, unfortunately, just confirmed it in game

[u/Nyuusankininryou]

Why did they change anything but textures? Whats the point?

[u/samjoe6969 → u/Nyuusankininryou]

Because they used the same skeletons for SD and HD

[u/Gay_If_Read]

I genuinely can't tell which one is supposed to be which, they both look terrible.

[u/Able-Swing-6415 → u/[deleted]]

Not surprising. They've made an entirely new video upload ecosystem because people were too stupid to rotate their phones.

[u/iHaveComplaints → u/Able-Swing-6415]

The most horrifying part of that is that there are now videos originally in landscape with baked in letterboxing for portrait that are then pillarboxed on a landscape display.

[u/Individual_Thanks309 → u/Gay_If_Read]

Ikr me too lol

[u/valik99 → u/Gay_If_Read]

I know, and the title made me believe the right one was in Forever lol

[u/Phreeze83]

does it depend if you are using HD or SD models?

[u/Koroklica → u/Phreeze83]

Pretty sure it will be the same, since the skeleton is the same on both.

[u/Phreeze83 → u/Koroklica]

good point, visually i thought there was a slight difference in the forms of the polygons of the head

[u/hiloai]

[u/OkaZenzo27]

Welp, it is beta so they could possibly change it before release hopefully...

[u/leftrightstillwrong → u/OkaZenzo27]

2027 best we can do

[u/Mocca_Master]

That would look great if the beard was visible, which I guess the intention of the change is?

If we disregard the fact that it's actually not showing of course...

[u/passwordistako → u/Mocca_Master]

I would be fine with the beard clipping through.

[u/ButterBeard_ → u/Mocca_Master]

I had to scroll this far to find someone thinking past 2 second rage. Obv its for the beard

[u/Talvinter]

This is why Forever’s HD models can’t just be Retail’s models, if you’re going to have SD then you need new HD to recreate the style in HD.

[u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET → u/Talvinter]

Neither of these are the HD model

[u/YouAsk-IAnswer → u/DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET]

Yes, but the SD models use the HD models’ skeletons so you get problems like this.

[u/LheelaSP → u/YouAsk-IAnswer]

If feels like they have put way too much work into reverse engineering the SD models from the HD ones, when they could have just taken the SD models and upscaled them.

Tauren running animation, this helmet, different animations etc. Why reinvent the wheel?

[u/Wonderful_Reach_4415 → u/LheelaSP]

they didn't reverse engineer anything, they just slapped on the retail models and redid some animations and dragged sd textures over them, did a poor job at it too

[u/Prestigious-Board-62]

I'm the Juggernaut bitch!

[u/UndeadFlowerWall]

Forget the helmet, look what they did to your nose bro.

[u/Jolly-Refuse2232]

I’m the Juggernaut, bitch!

[u/PhillipoftheGrey]

Is this real? Holy shit thats bad.

[u/Agreeable-Guava-9009]

Left:

[u/Herr_Reinsch91]

[u/Milky_Muu]

Juggernaut vs Magneto lookin aaah.

[u/Substantial_End7145]

oh hell nah

[u/furozyan]

Ok. Rolling a dwarf now.

[u/NemeSisWiberg]

I agree, remove dwarfs.

[u/cernynebe]

wtf is this real? crazy

[u/Zodiamaster]

The one on the left 💀

[u/Enough-Wear-8421]

Why does the old one look better? The forever one looks like a helmet made for a toddler

[u/Obi-WanKnable]

What the fuck even is this

[u/LeekypooX]

Bro on the left looks like the fox Xmen Juggernaut 

DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM?! IM THE JUGGERNAUT

[u/kill_to_satisfy]

[u/Spirited-End5197]

Which one is which? I have scrolled through this entire thread and nobody has said. Genuinely cant tell because they both look bad

[u/LheelaSP → u/Spirited-End5197]

Forever left, Classic right.

[u/Araetha → u/Spirited-End5197]

You can view both on wowhead. Left is Forever, Right is Classic

Forever:
https://www.wowhead.com/forever/item=10763/icemetal-barbute#modelviewer

Classic:
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=10763/icemetal-barbute#modelviewer

Select Dwarf and you can see the difference. This only happens to Dwarf

[u/Araetha → u/Araetha]

and it looks like this for Troll. Left is Forever, Right is Classic.

[u/Friendly-Ear1721 → u/Araetha]

My first ever wow character was a troll warrior in classic. I remember the HUGE disappointment that my 10 year old self had when I realized that helms did not fit properly. Absolutely hated it.

[u/xX_TrueXXEdgelord_Xx → u/Friendly-Ear1721]

What about the lopsided shoulders?

[u/IDownvotedYouToday → u/Araetha]

Okay, tusk clipping aside, I do like the Forever version more in this case.

[u/Jango2106 → u/Araetha]

And only for Male Dwarf. Im guessing its 100% a bug and something weird happened to the models

[u/Vincent_Felix → u/Jango2106]

Yeah looks like they are using the human helm model to me. Probably a bug.

[u/vypatlanec → u/Spirited-End5197]

The funniest bit is that both looks absolutely terrible

[u/MaxusBE → u/vypatlanec]

you can't say this about classic, people will rip you apart

[u/Riceballs-balls → u/vypatlanec]

At least the one on the right covers his face lol

[u/Escolyte → u/Spirited-End5197]

Left is forever, right is classic, I agree though neither is good.

[u/Nurgeard → u/Escolyte]

It isn't amazing but Classic's looks like a footmen helmet from original Warcraft - which matters a lot I think, and it baffles me that they would change it.

[u/Medrilan → u/Nurgeard]

I don't think they changed it. The skeletons for the character models are the HD skeletons, only the textures change to SD when you enable SD.

This is just a result of the old assets not being made for the new skeletons.

At least thats my understanding.

[u/AggressiveResist8615 → u/Spirited-End5197]

What's wrong with the classic one?

[u/Spirited-End5197 → u/AggressiveResist8615]

Removes beard. But I like it for the fact that it looks like a helmet a unit from wc3 would wear

[u/Silverbacks → u/AggressiveResist8615]

I've always hated that it removes your beard.

[u/Various_Comfort_5978 → u/Spirited-End5197]

One is shaped like a helmet and one like a bowl.

[u/SwampOfDownvotes]

Both look terrible. Not even sure which I prefer tbh. 

[u/SweetSweetAtaraxia]

Why does classic look better in every way? Why are they even updating the graphics?

[u/No_Telephone4029 → u/SweetSweetAtaraxia]

Its not, if you don't think the environment looks better your lying to yourself.

[u/Willajer]

"Im the Jugarnaaawt Bitch"

[u/Tyrandeh]

Quake

[u/SnooMarzipans6300]

looking like a complete bozo clown fits classic perfectly, so left is better for classic

[u/PercentageIcy2512]

certified Juggernaut vibes

[u/Moth_xxx]

Lol this can't be real right?

[u/worlvius]

You should see it on troll too

[u/ConsistentAnnual5160]

Bruh wtf is that

[u/darthnoid]

The one on the left is fucking hideous lol

[u/browsk]

At least Classic has an excuse for being bad

[u/StopBanningMeAlright]

The shoulders and hoods look just as bad.

[u/Miyu543]

The longer helmet looks a lot better

[u/joufflu]

What happened to his beard

[u/tist006]

Oh my god

[u/new-machine]

First the goblins, now this…

[u/Kalkuehl]

Ah, ze juggernaut

[u/YouSelect762]

This can't be real...

[u/dspisayuss]

This cannot be real, I refuse to believe it.

[u/FluzooTV]

What the fu…

[u/Possible_Apricot1072]

Lol SD humans cant even see from helmets

[u/Sensitive_Cup4015]

[u/joellllll]

Why is this even a thing? They aren't redoing all the models are they so.. why this specific helmet?

[u/BaQstein_]

I couldn't even tell which one is classic, both look like shit

[u/Squidip1245 → u/BaQstein_]

You’re just lying tho arnt you

[u/BaQstein_ → u/Squidip1245]

No, not at all. I even bet that if you swap them, 80% of player wouldnt know

[u/Valuable_Berry_8626 → u/BaQstein_]

????????????

80% of players have not seen this helmet model????? This is an extremely common helm model that anybody who has played more than 3 months of classic will recognize.

[u/MeltBanana]

Just put vanilla skeletons back in the game already. It's so fucking simple and it's the only fix to all of this.

[u/Wzd14 → u/MeltBanana]

100% I cannot stand hd skeletons, look like utter shit

[u/Uglifi → u/Wzd14]

its not HD skeletons that doesn't even make sense lmao. its updated character rigs.

[u/TopptrentHamster → u/MeltBanana]

A developer, are we?

[u/retsujust → u/TopptrentHamster]

„Just put multiplayer in the singleplayer game, it will be way better“

[u/Evenveil]

Why cant it just look like Classic :(

[u/EggPsychological4844]

Is that not the Ice metal Barbute? Is there a sub level 30 mail piece that shares this model.

This is so fake lmfao

[u/canitnerd → u/EggPsychological4844]

You know you can just ctrl click to preview gear you can't wear, right?

[u/tordenoglynild666 → u/EggPsychological4844]

Huh... That's a great point. Unless Forever added a new helm with the same model and botched it.

[u/Tsobaphomet]

Idk what AI prompts the devs are using to make the game, but they are doing it wrong

[u/USSGoat]

They need to dump HD models if they can’t do it right.

[u/Metharos]

Are these people reporting it through the beta's Bug Report function? Or are they just Tweeting like a Twit?

It's a beta. Please report this as a bug.