r/classicwow • u/Weltenbaum • 13d ago

Forever Beta Feedback Completely stretched helmets in forever

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u/Spirited-End5197 13d ago

Which one is which? I have scrolled through this entire thread and nobody has said. Genuinely cant tell because they both look bad

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u/LheelaSP 13d ago

Forever left, Classic right.

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u/Araetha 13d ago

You can view both on wowhead. Left is Forever, Right is Classic

Forever:
https://www.wowhead.com/forever/item=10763/icemetal-barbute#modelviewer

Classic:
https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=10763/icemetal-barbute#modelviewer

Select Dwarf and you can see the difference. This only happens to Dwarf

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u/Araetha 13d ago

and it looks like this for Troll. Left is Forever, Right is Classic.

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u/Friendly-Ear1721 13d ago

My first ever wow character was a troll warrior in classic. I remember the HUGE disappointment that my 10 year old self had when I realized that helms did not fit properly. Absolutely hated it.

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u/xX_TrueXXEdgelord_Xx 13d ago

What about the lopsided shoulders?

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u/Just-Holiday-5016 12d ago

I agree with both sentiments, but it's also what makes trolls trolls. rock that mohawk out! carry the biggest spear! Tazdingo mon

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u/IDownvotedYouToday 13d ago

Okay, tusk clipping aside, I do like the Forever version more in this case.

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u/Jarliks 13d ago

honestly, just a dark drop shadow where the tusks clip would be enough to communicate that there's supposed to be holes for em. Even if they still don't make a lot of sense, it would feel intentional.

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u/IDownvotedYouToday 13d ago

I think that's a more challenging task than you think, but yeah, it would be nice

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u/AnybodyRoutine632 8d ago

In this case honestly tusk clipping is actually cool for me

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u/OkNet5060 13d ago

I don't understand why they made darkspear trolls like this tbh. They look super cool in cinematics and promo arts. Super dissapointing in the game tho. Helmets don't fit, shoulders are weird, boots don't show when worn, and on top of all look like malnourished junkies. I hope they give us forest trolls with new models instead of a recolor in the future as a race

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u/Wise-Climate-3533 9d ago

Well the left not being the SD model is a bit of an unfair comparison

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u/Fog_Head 7d ago

OMG THANK GOODNESS THAT FIXED THAT lol

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u/dspisayuss 13d ago

That forever troll model looks terrible, but the helmet looks better than on the right.

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u/Jango2106 13d ago

And only for Male Dwarf. Im guessing its 100% a bug and something weird happened to the models

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u/Vincent_Felix 13d ago

Yeah looks like they are using the human helm model to me. Probably a bug.

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u/CommanderHavond 13d ago

There is a possibility it could be intentional. If it's playing nice with the nose AND beards. So many helmets in wow drive me up the wall because the noses clip through or the beard vanishes entirely.

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u/xamdou 13d ago

Retail skeleton

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u/morbliss 13d ago

Yah the forever graphics look like stretch Armstrong toys. It’s a good reminder we playing a 20+ year old kids game.

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u/NuklearFerret 13d ago

The problem with forever's model isn't the helmet, it's the beardless dwarf. I kind of dig the extra space to show off the magnificence of your facial fur, but the model doesn't have any. Shameful!

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u/RTMidgetman 13d ago

Of course its body type 1 in the new version

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u/vypatlanec 13d ago

The funniest bit is that both looks absolutely terrible

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u/MaxusBE 13d ago

you can't say this about classic, people will rip you apart

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u/Riceballs-balls 13d ago

At least the one on the right covers his face lol

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u/Careless-Praline7751 13d ago

right one doesn't look "terrible"

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u/Flat-Leading-2520 12d ago

You're right it looks like dog shit.

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u/EngineerDirector 13d ago

Left looks awesome!

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u/Escolyte 13d ago

Left is forever, right is classic, I agree though neither is good.

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u/Nurgeard 13d ago

It isn't amazing but Classic's looks like a footmen helmet from original Warcraft - which matters a lot I think, and it baffles me that they would change it.

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u/Medrilan 13d ago

I don't think they changed it. The skeletons for the character models are the HD skeletons, only the textures change to SD when you enable SD.

This is just a result of the old assets not being made for the new skeletons.

At least thats my understanding.

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u/Lylantares 13d ago

The right one looks like it could be a helmet, although the vertical slit harms the defensive, the left one seems more fit for biking than combat.

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u/CourtMoney5842 13d ago

Op complaining about the stretched helmets in forever makes me thinks he assumed the right image was forever

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u/AggressiveResist8615 13d ago

What's wrong with the classic one?

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u/Spirited-End5197 13d ago

Removes beard. But I like it for the fact that it looks like a helmet a unit from wc3 would wear

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u/Silverbacks 13d ago

I've always hated that it removes your beard.

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u/MadMaui 13d ago

It's awful, and it's been awful for more then 20 years.

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u/AggressiveResist8615 13d ago

What's awful about it? The helm looks fine to me it's proportional and looks like a standard helm?

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u/Bored-to-Death629 13d ago

The design is fine, although a lot of younger gamers are used to every single item being blinged out with particle effects and horns and shit.

Look at how blurry it is, though.

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u/CyonHal 13d ago

my god its low res in a game thats over 20 yrs old, the humanity

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u/Bored-to-Death629 13d ago

My god, the company that’s worth billions of dollars can’t spend money and time developing their assets to keep up with modern graphics… the humanity

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u/CyonHal 13d ago

This isn't Classic Remastered, what a bizarre expectation to want every texture to be HD.

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u/umad1337 13d ago

Dude literally just go play retail

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u/verumvia 13d ago edited 13d ago

Look at Warcraft 3's graphics, the one on the right is true to the game it was inspired by. Disliking WoW's art direction during its early years is fine, but Classic exists to recreate the old experiences and environments.

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u/HereticEpic 13d ago

Exactly my thought, looms very warcrafty

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u/Various_Comfort_5978 13d ago

One is shaped like a helmet and one like a bowl.

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u/biggest_tub 13d ago

The character model on the left has some weird geometry near the outside corners of each eye, which is what the male dwarfs have in Forever.

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u/Weird_Licorne_9631 13d ago

Pretty sure right is classic. Never seen that thing on the left so must be forever.

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u/LuckyLukse 13d ago

Forever. Vs classic.

Left it forever. Right is classic.

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u/snakejessdraws 12d ago

>they both look bad
TRUUUUUUUUUE

I would never care about this because of that, but some people really need the bad to be the same bad from when they were kids or 5 years ago or w/e

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u/neller2000 9d ago

The ugly one on the right is the normal one, thank god they didn't go with that trash.

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u/Nearby_Bit_6643 13d ago

Well usually when someone says “x vs x” the pictures are in the respective order. . .

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u/Spirited-End5197 13d ago

Gen Z has bastardised a lot of these logical expectations, just like “pov” so I never know anymore

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u/STARSBarry 13d ago

Its a pretty easy rule, if something looks stupid, thats forever, if it looks cool then its classic.

This is one of the outcomes of using the backwards ass logic of using the retail skeleton for a game that is 99.5% classic assets and trying to force them to fit, versus using the classic skeleton and then getting the .5% of new assets to fit...

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u/Moblam 13d ago

So which one is which? One looks like "the cylinder must remain unharmed" and the other one's the Juggernaut, bitch.

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u/Resident_Captain8698 13d ago

Id roleplay as a short juggernaut anyday, petition to keep forever helmet as is

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u/BadSanna 13d ago

So the one on the right is Classic?

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u/eatwindmills 13d ago

You’re being downvoted but know that I’m here and agree with you

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u/Shoddy-Ad-6721 13d ago

They both look stupid, so I guess they're both from Forever?

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u/CustomSBR 13d ago

Both look ridiculous and ugly. So care to clarify which one is which?

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u/Live-Habit-6115 13d ago

You have to be a bot, surely 

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u/Few-Improvement9978 13d ago

I’m also confused lol.

Both look rough but one is clearly insane looking

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u/OldDogTrainer 13d ago

But “looking better” is subjective lol. Just use your human words and say “left” or “right”. It’s not hard if you’re not a bot.

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u/gtvlsk 13d ago

“Everything I don’t agree with is AI”

The one on the LEFT is way fucking worse than the one on the RIGHT. Disingenuous dweebs.

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u/OldDogTrainer 13d ago

AI? I didn’t say anything about AI lmfao. It’s always so weird when someone responds to the wrong comment.

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u/itzpea 13d ago

My guess is the one on the right? Its 2 sizes too big and juts down to his chest...if he were to look down it would impale him with those sharp points? I don't know, I'm with the other person. Both of these images look ridiculous.

I guess they started on left and realized that the helmet was too small/short, so they tried to overcompensate by adding in the right one that is just goofy looking. I'd keep the left one with the points facing forward, but pull it down an inch so it doesn't look as squished.

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u/SEOViking 13d ago

I have literally no idea which is which as well.. They both look bad in different ways.

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u/SEOViking 13d ago

I have, when SoD first released, good times

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u/gtvlsk 13d ago

Nah they’re right, one is way worse than the other. You need to get your eyes checked. 😂

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u/Emergency-Friend-291 13d ago

It's pretty obvious, come on, let's drop this act! 😂

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u/BigBulgeBubba 13d ago

This is such a stupid thing to say. It should be immediately obvious which one people have an issue with.

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u/earthwarder 13d ago

Imagine not being able to tell what hot garbage looks like

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u/CustomSBR 13d ago

Wow does

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u/OldDogTrainer 13d ago

But they both look stupid?

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u/NobleN6 13d ago

Go back to retail

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u/Hidan6844 13d ago

Just tell him instead of acting like a angry nerd

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u/NobleN6 13d ago

I'm not the one being negative saying they are both bad. One is obviously better than the other.

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u/GodBlessPigs 13d ago

This subreddit is full of some of the saddest nerds in the world.

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u/WendigoCrossing 13d ago

Why not just answer the question?

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u/Creative_Magazine816 13d ago

if you don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of how every helmet model meshes onto every race, are you really a classic player?

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u/Spirited-End5197 13d ago

Oh you sweet summer child. I haven’t played retail since 3.3

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u/No-Compote-6122 13d ago

Get your eyes checked

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u/MANLY_VIKING_MAN 13d ago

Surely you've seen the helmet on the right lots of times? It's a pretty common model

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u/Spirited-End5197 13d ago

True but there’s lots of helms man, I never played classic I played vanilla over 20 years ago haha

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u/munkey411 13d ago

I'm guessing, based on the lighting, the one on the left is from forever. The one on the right then being from classic. I wonder what causes the helm to do this. In retail it looks normal right? which makes me doubt it's the retail skeleton. But then again, maybe, hopefully they fix this because it looks ridiculous.

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u/ThePissedOff 13d ago

The left is forever...