r/masseffect • u/Turbostrider27 • 8h ago
NEWS Bioware is closing and early development on the next Mass Effect project is ending
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u/Sinist3rMinist3r 7h ago
I'm Commander Shepard and this is my least favorite news on the interwebs...
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u/LongLiveSoup 8h ago
Man all those posts about what people think ME5 was gonna be about were really a waste huh
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u/Ruben625 7h ago
I just dont get how it was still in early development. It was announced 6 years ago, Veilguard came out 2 years ago....that game should be getting ready to release next year. WTF were they doing this whole time.
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u/OlieTom 6h ago
Honestly, I feel like this in general across the industry is a problem and a reason for such lackluster returns (though in probably wrong).
It was what, 10 years ago the teaser for Elder Scrolls 6 popped up, and we are still 3+ years away?
Generations are coming and going without these studios producing much of anything.
People dunk on CoD and in the past Assassin's Creed for yearly entries but man, they stayed relevant.
By the time any of my favorites decide to (if even) come out with a new game, I'll be so over gaming from crap games I won't even care.
I'll get off my soapbox now
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u/HemaMemes 5h ago edited 4h ago
The gaming industry does have a bad habit of announcing a game before any sort of work is even starting.
CDPR announced Cyberpunk two years before they released Witcher 3, but real development didn't even start until after Blood and Wine.
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u/guardian87 4h ago
This is (or was) common in the games industry to make the public aware and help recruiting talent more publicly.
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u/xanas263 4h ago
It was what, 10 years ago the teaser for Elder Scrolls 6 popped up, and we are still 3+ years away?
I feel like people constantly forget that the ES6 announcement was literally just Bethesda saying Elder Scrolls as a franchise wasn't dead, because at the time there was lots of rumors around ES being relegated to the MMO going forward.
Bethesda has always been a single game studio, as in they only make one game at a time. The last ten years have been taken up first by trying to fix Fallout 76 and then making StarField.
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u/GliceDidYouSayGlice 7h ago
Agreed. I feel like we were dissecting that poster 5 years ago. And....you'd have to imagine they were another 5+ years away from the game. What a joke.
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u/Easywormet 6h ago
Honestly...probably nothing. Look at what came out when Halo Studios was gutted: they were working on NOTHING. They had a "working idea" for Halo 7 and a few other "early ideas".
Wouldn't surprise me if it comes out that ME5 hadn't even started any meaningful production.
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u/FacetiousTomato 6h ago edited 6h ago
This is exactly why they're closing down. They did the same thing with Anthem, dicking around for years - then got told they had to release something, and Anthem is what we got.
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u/RemnantGalaxy 5h ago
They never should have announced it. Realistically development didn’t start until two years ago, we know from articles about dragon age that the mass effect team came in and worked on it a lot towards the last few years of development.
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u/ElMike420 7h ago
All those theories I saw on YT I can’t help but also feel really bad about some cc who were still doing Mass Effect content:(
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u/Hooch331 7h ago
Paragon7.... wonder what she will comment on now.. and i assume, what her last ME video will be... man.. all before N7 day..
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u/ElMike420 7h ago
Yeah, specially her, she was actually making me get back to the IP after playing it for 100s of times back in the 360.
BigDan I think went already to other games
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u/LongLiveSoup 7h ago
Yea, I do love chatting shit about old games and possibly sequels but I try not to waste my time too much on it. Too many things get cancelled or scrapped or rushed out and filled with issues. Still refuse to believe that new GTA is happening until I can see it in a store
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u/Fishak_29 7h ago
The best and only hope is that the Amazon TV show isn’t also canned. If it’s a hit like Fallout, maybe EA would sell the IP to someone else to develop a game.
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u/Hooch331 7h ago
Even if they did, by the time that happens, those who were working on it will have been scattered to the wind.. whoever picked it up would be starting from scratch again, and I doubt we would get the same feel..
I don't want to believe it, or admit it, but im certain this will be the death of my favorite franchise...
Fuck EA Fuck the Saudis
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u/ElMike420 7h ago
I hope but damn, I didn’t really expected this to really happen, many people were already saying the TV show was not going well (many delays in production, not a clear concept has been presented to us either)
I honestly believed the game would come out and the tv show would be shelved.
Now I don’t know:l
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u/tyehyll 7h ago
6 years since the Mass Effect announcement and still in early development. What the fuck are these companies doing???
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u/EDF1919 N7 7h ago
Nothing, that's why they're being shut. Look at Halo, 6 years and they were still in concept stages.
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u/tyehyll 7h ago
Yeah the "let em cook" thing gamers used to say between long dev cycles was certainly abused by many studios for years. Yes, put out the best game you can but you eventually have to put a game out, sorry.
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u/starcell9000 6h ago
"let em cook" is what you say when a reputable developer like Fromsoft is taking a long time on the DLC for elden ring. That does not apply to Bioware, and hasn't for a long time now.
These things require a bit of brain power, which the average person, sadly, does not possess.
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u/Hailfire9 7h ago
Devs need to earn our trust to let them cook. Rockstar has a very large amount of trust-- let them cook. Larian has a good amount of trust -- let them cook, conditionally.
Bioware has been tainted by EA for long enough that "let them cook" was more "hey guys, prove to use you ARE cooking, k?" Turns out they weren't. They were getting drunk in the kitchen talking about food the whole time.
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u/Hailfire9 7h ago
That's probably why Bioware got shuttered, and why I almost don't even care. It feels more like 6 years milking a paycheck than it does 6 years of being a dev studio.
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u/EDF1919 N7 7h ago
Exactly. Big dev companies have gotten way too comfy sitting on their ass and producing nothing. Bethesda is next unless Todd shows some real progress.
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u/neortje 5h ago
Yeah, I’ve felt Bethesda is in danger for a long time.
It feels incredibly stupid for any company to not capitalize on a major tv show being made. With the release of the fallout tv series a new game would have generated tons of money.
I think a lot of gamers have been critical on Rockstar for milking GTA Online so much, but maybe stuff like that is what has kept them alive for so long between games. It’s a steady stream of income keeping the shareholders happy while they get to come up with the next big thing.
It’s sad what happened to BioWare, but having the game still in early development after such a long time is ridiculous. Wasting so much time without producing anything substantial is a one way ticket to being closed.
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u/GobiPLX 7h ago
The Elder Scrolls 6.
8 years since teaser and since that E3 2018 we got absolutely NOTHING.Turns out only recently, after Starfield, they just started serious development on it, because for 6 years it was just concepts
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u/EDF1919 N7 7h ago
Talking with my cousins and I just said exactly that. Bethesda is probably next on the chopping block if they don't get their ass in gear.
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u/BadSafecracker 7h ago
I think Xbox giving the new fallout to obsidian was the warning shot to them.
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u/Dodgy_Bob_McMayday 7h ago
Harsh, but true. Just look at the Perfect Dark reboot for another example, or Beyond Good and Evil 2 which is somehow not cancelled yet
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u/RollingDownTheHills Mass Relay 7h ago
Absolutely piss-poor management. Veilguard might've been a mess but from a technical standpoint it had a lot of impressive parts. Imagine being a talented video game developer and working under a bunch of clowns with zero vision or direction for the project. Again and again. I feel so bad for them.
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u/SilentPizzle 7h ago
In the early 2000s the long developer cycle game development thing worked but its clear as day SOMEONE is stuffing their pockets in all of these developer studios.
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u/Some-Ad3843 7h ago
Bro. I've been anticipating Mass Effect 4 for FUCKING YEARS NOW HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO US ?!
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u/Jed08 8h ago
On one hand : i am glad to avoid yet another disappointment and that they finally lay that studio down to rest.
On the other hand : what the hell ? That's heart breaking
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u/k5pr312 7h ago
That's what happens when private equity touches anything
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u/Jed08 7h ago
I can see your point, however, considering the entire state of the industry, I believe EA would have made this move even without being bought
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u/fn8179-2 7h ago
Yeah, Bioware had been struggling with their games for over a decade. It's been a known possibility for a while now.
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u/1983_BOK 7h ago
Bioware was probably on the cutting block before private equity even thought about buying EA. Nothing but failures for a decade.
Still, it sucks.
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u/TheGreyman787 7h ago
Right? Like, I did not expect Bioware to produce another good game ever, and still those news suck.
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u/SicEtNon92 7h ago
EA sucks. Sell the IP and let someone else continue the project please
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u/Main-Cheesecake3287 7h ago
Idk why they wouldn’t have just sold off BioWare and its IP. Msft straight up released studios and their IP when they were money pits.
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u/AsgeirVanirson 7h ago
They might very well still sell it.
Cancelling the game and closing the studio makes it easier to sell the IP.
As it stands anyone interested in making a game that might make good use of the Mass Effect IP now looks at a product with no expectations attached and no company/staff attached.
This way they can also 'put it on the market' without it continuing to cost them money, and anyone who might want to make a Mass Effect game can start completely fresh. By being 'dead' IP it's also going to be cheaper.
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u/CaleanKnight 5h ago
And who would buy that?
BioWare was done... they haven't done anything remotely acceptable in more than a decade, more likely is that they saw that BW hasn't done shit for ME, tried to shop it around with nobody biting and this is the last step.
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u/OdysseyPrime9789 7h ago
Unfortunately, I don’t see EA selling anything. They’ll probably let it rot in their IP vaults with the rest of the long list.
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u/Hooch331 8h ago
This isn't real... tell me this isn't real...
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u/Adventurous_Top_4033 8h ago
It’s true they are shutting down.
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u/Hooch331 7h ago
I can't belive this... with the writers and developers they had.. the story they were working on... all for not?
Is this truly the end of Mass Effect? The teases.. the IP? Will it not be sold off? If the team is seperated... that's it.. ever if it was sold, I doubt it would continue in the same spirit as the original trilogy...
First the death of DA.. now this...
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u/YeesherPQQP 7h ago
Considering they are still referring to it as "early development" there probably wasn't much more than teases
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u/MasterStannisSupreme 7h ago
Dead Space is another one that people have been hoping to be sold off for years now, so very unlikely sadly
Criminal they can just keep these IPs hostage as long as they want doing nothing with them
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u/spiderdesire 7h ago
I have all the Mass Effect books, and multiple copies of the games. Sad. Very sad.
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u/RobinOttens 7h ago
It sucks for Bioware. But Mass Effect was already wrapped up as a story over a decade ago.
I too would have liked to see what they were working on, but it's not like we were left with an incomplete series.
I'm more sad for all the developers who are losing their jobs. Not for the state of Mass Effect.
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u/GliceDidYouSayGlice 7h ago
It's absolutely insane that Mass Effect was in 'early development'. I honestly loved this studio but holy hell did they squander one of the greatest franchises ever.
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u/Wild-Importance448 7h ago
It most likely would have sucked, DAI outsold all ME and DA games before it so youd think they would have gone all in on making DA4 a hit but they made it a mess, I can't see then doing ME4 justice.
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u/CommanderNinja Normandy 7h ago
Gutted doesn't even begin to describe. This is one of my most beloved IPs in my 20+ years of gaming. Kinda expected it but it still cuts like a knife.
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u/Starshylea 7h ago
This is going to be the saddest N7 day ever.
We knew changes were likely coming with this buyout, we didn't expect the studio CLOSING
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u/No_Sock_3895 6h ago
Boy thank god EA gets to continue releasing the same 4 sports games every god damn year now!
Everything is getting worse.
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u/PIPBOY-2000 4h ago
EA is a cancer to the gaming industry and has been. Here is a list of the franchises they ran into the ground (either killed or worsened):
Command and Conquer
Ultima
Dead Space
Medal of Honor
Need for Speed
Titanfall
Skate
Star Wars Battlefront
Burnout
Sim City
Battlefield
Dragon Age
And now let's add Mass Effect to the list
There is no gaming company I hate or resent more than EA
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u/NewFaded 5h ago
They don't care because the same people keep dumping thousands into ultimate team every year and stuff. I used to play sports games back before that stuff ruined them and they stopped iterating on other modes. Now you look at something like NBA 25 getting shut down two years after it released, bricking single player.
They do not care about anything but high revenue return for low output, and people eat it up. They sell a 70 dollar roster update and some buzzwords and some digital trading cards that you can use one game and rebuy the next.
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u/DonatusKillala 8h ago
Surprised to see the development still referred to as early. I wonder how far along they truly were?
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u/walierion 7h ago
Something must have been very fucking wrong to still be in “early” development six years after the first announcement.
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u/DonatusKillala 7h ago
Surely must have been years and years away if they felt comfortable deleting the entire project and studio.
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u/CultureHot5864 3h ago
Early development? Jesus, didn't they release the teaser trailer like 7 years ago?
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u/Clear_Win_5845 2h ago
If I remember correctly, it was announced at the same time the remaster was announced. Then, the official teaser dropped around 2020, a few months prior to the Legendary Edition's release. They were playing in our faces ever since the pandemic began. UNFORGIVABLE!
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u/Spectre-Echo 7h ago
Can we all just storm EA
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u/Bansheesdie 6h ago
Bioware became a poorly run and managed studio. Shutting down is just the final nail in a studio that hadn't been itself in years.
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u/blacksnowredwinter 7h ago
The three Mass Effect games and three Dragon Age games will always be something close to me as they got me into actual gaming.
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u/Superb_Grand 7h ago
No mention of Jade Empire is sad!
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u/Chris_RB 7h ago
Jade Empire: one of the more underrated games of its generation. What a banger. Gonna go play it tomorrow night (tonight is my anniversary, I'll be murdered if I spend it on a game)
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u/Gingerale66 7h ago
Been seeing comments on posts about this on normal gaming subs saying “rest in piss” and the like. Feels like total revisionism as if BW didn’t make some of the best single player games of all time. Sucks to see them go out like this and never get an ME5.
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u/HUNAcean 5h ago
Too long ago, sadly. A good portion of people active in gaming subs today are simply too young to have play much of the catalouge before Inqusition.
The good games of Bioware are sadpy just not in the active memory of much of the gaming audience.
Which im sad to say, probably justifies the closure tbh.
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u/Crimson_Loki 6h ago
Whilst it may be said, a gaming company is only as good as the last game they made.
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u/RedEyedJedi24 7h ago
It’s sad, I grew up with BioWares franchises like many did but honestly it’s only BioWare in name, the talent that made the masterpieces we all love are no longer there.
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u/Gingerale66 7h ago
That’s true, the talent behind those games is gone. Just sucks that the IP itself is tethered to BW and EA so it just gets to sit there and die
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u/Malicious_999 6h ago
Let's be real, games like Mass Effect, these days, take talent, time & money.
While I don't doubt of the talent @ Bioware, I doubt EA would have given them the time and money to make a Mass Effect worthy of the name.
A new Mass Effect would be awesome, but it needs the proper working environment. And EA wasn't that.
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u/matthieuC 5h ago
> While I don't doubt of the talent @ Bioware, I doubt EA would have given them the time and money to make a Mass Effect worthy of the name.
They haven't made a successful game in 12 years and ME5 was still in pre production 7 years after the announcement.
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u/Extreme996 6h ago
While I don't doubt of the talent @ Bioware
After Inquisition, Andromeda, Anthem, and Veilguard, I have doubts about BioWare’s talent. Even earlier as seen with Dragon Age 2 and certain parts of Mass Effect 3 it was already becoming apparent that BioWare was getting out of shape. Mass Effect Legendary Edition is very mediocre remaster too that is mostly worth to play only because of mods.
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u/Smithereens_3 6h ago
Is it weird that I'm almost relieved? After the meh-ness of both Andromeda and Veilguard, I didn't have a ton of faith in an EA-backed BioWare coming out with a good game to revive the series. I was bracing for disaster.
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u/MrBigWaffles 6h ago
The last time BioWare got time and money we got anthem.
Solely blaming EA here is dishonest.
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u/Used-Turnover2954 7h ago
I wasn't prepared for the Mass Effect to not be finished even though I already considered it. Well, it's been a damn good ride
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u/EyesOfAPoet 7h ago
We all saw this one coming, but it still hurts all the same. RIP Bioware. Thank you for the memories. Keelah Se'lai.
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u/mrdude05 7h ago
This really sucks to see, but the writing has been on the wall for years.
It seems like Bioware got more of a chance than most floundering EA studios, but there's only so long you can tread water. I'm guessing the new ownership decided it wasn't worth keeping them around, and didn't believe the new Mass Effect would actually turn things around for them.
Hopefully all the devs land on their feet, and we see them do some cool new things at new studios
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u/Noin56 7h ago
I wonder how this will affect something like dragon age keep? Can I still import world states to inquisition?
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u/StrongestAvenger_ 7h ago
Beyond all the other reasons they had to axe this, EA was recently acquired by a Saudi private equity firm. Their sole purpose is buying stuff, trimming “fat” and doing other shitty stuff to boost profits.
This was inevitable since that sale. Expect more shit like this happening to studios connected to EA. Another BioWare game was far from an easy cash grab so it got cut, and anything not fitting the bill of “easy money” will also be scrapped to make sure EA will be performing better than it did before they acquired it, so that it can be resold for a profit.
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u/Fun-Session7413 8h ago
After there blunders we knew it was happening, but for them to actually completely shutter and cancel all projects...hurts...
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u/TangentMed 7h ago
I was hoping they’d be able to turn things around, but I’m not suprised after the last couple games being underwhelming. Wonder if anyone will take over TOR.
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u/flannelguy15 7h ago
I know this studio was a complete shell of its former self, but man I'm still heartbroken by this news. Their games gave me so many great memories. They provided me with so much enjoyment even during the lowest points of my life and I cannot thank the teams behind them enough for all they did.
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u/FinalBossMike 8h ago
While part of me is sad that it's over, I also feel that Bioware hasn't been Bioware for a long time, maybe since after Tresspasser.
Anyway, thanks for all the memories.
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u/Violet_star077 7h ago
Even if we knew this was gonna happen, it is still a very sad day for gaming. For those of us who have held out hope for the future of Mass Effect and Dragon Age, this is a bitter pill to swallow 😢
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u/Own-Pirate-8001 7h ago
Still had hope for the next ME game. Especially with Mary DeMarle writing.
Years of teases, what a waste.
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u/jabronijon 6h ago
Fingers crossed that the Mass Effect IP (and Dragon Age) get sold to a developer/publisher who will revive the franchise with love and care
Also maybe someone to buy the rights to Jade Empire?!?! Can that get a remake/revival too??
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u/Shepard_Drake 7h ago
Look, we all knew this was coming. It's sad, but not unexpected.
And look, we really don't need a Mass Effect 4. This is coming from someone who has obsessively played it throughout my life, named my dog Shepard (also my username), etc.
I was terrified it would get the treatment so many of these franchises get when the suits in charge decide they want to make more money. I fully believe whatever they did would have most likely tarnished the legacy of the trilogy. It might have added or changed some really dumb stuff, and made everything even worse.
Would I love to return to that universe for new adventures with the characters I love? Sure. But I think we'd all just be chasing something unobtainable from a time that no longer exists. It's like trying to capture lightning in a bottle. The fact is, we have a complete trilogy, and it's ok to appreciate the closure that provides.
Let the masterpiece rest with dignity, you know?
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u/doc_nano 7h ago edited 6h ago
Yep. As they say: don't be sad it's ending -- be glad that it happened.
Looking at all the colossal blunders made on costly AAA projects, it's a miracle that the ME trilogy came into being at all, and that it's as good as it is. It was truly a lightning-in-a-bottle situation in terms of how everything came together.
I'd have loved spending more time in that universe, but eventually all good things must end.
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u/TheDamnNumbersGame 7h ago
Same on not wanting ME4.
Would have preferred a Mass Effect 3 Remake where they fix all the rushed stuff and add ME2 characters as squadmates.
Oh well
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u/_Atlas_Drugged_ 5h ago
I would have loved another sequel to Andromeda or a Shepherd-concurrent story in the same universe or something, but the Shepherd story had been told.
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u/freshairequalsducks 7h ago edited 7h ago
I'm weirdly okay with this. Mass Effect can remain as is and the name won't be diminished as a result of poor management and bad sequels.
It's okay for series to end. Things don't need to last forever.
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u/TakeItCeezy 7h ago
It hurts, but yeah, I agree with this. The trilogy they made is genuinely amazing. They had a specific story they wanted to tell, and they told it. The trilogy achieved a good amount of what they were after. For me, and maybe this is cope, I feel like it's better to let the series rest as well.
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u/Cosmic_Prop 7h ago
As an OG Halo fanatic... This is a good take.
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u/SleepingAntz 7h ago
The 3 most important media franchises that got me into sci-fi when I was a kid were Halo, Star Wars, and Mass Effect.
So yeah...I'm okay with this I think.
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u/MadNack 8h ago
I mean the original people who made BioWare what it is are long gone anyway right?
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u/Edward248 7h ago
And people still wont stop buying worthless EA FC for 70€ each year to make them stop doing those games
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u/BreadfruitNo357 6h ago
I am actually unwell. This is Top 30 worst news I've seen this year by a longshot.
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u/Beginning_Ocelot503 7h ago
Very sad but also not surprising. Can’t say I’m all that disappointed though considering how things have been going these past few years though.
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u/GrundgeArchangel 7h ago
Wow.
To all of the Revans, Shepards, Gardens, Hawks, and Inquisitors out there, keep playing.
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u/CoL_Drake 7h ago
what i cant understand is ... hwy not sell it ?
they wont use the IP's ever again ... just get a few bucks from selling it ...
or even have them pay for their freedom 2,40€ is still more then 0
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u/itsjustnormalwater 7h ago
EA holding onto the IP costs them nothing. If they keep the IP, they can license it out or have one of their satellite studios make another Mass Effect later down the road. If they sell the IP, then they miss out on any profit that a future Mass Effect might accrue.
So the "safe" strategy is to just hoard the IP indefinitely.
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u/OdysseyPrime9789 7h ago
Then it goes into the corporate graveyard and we never hear from it again at that point. Gestures to Command & Conquer.
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u/ShepardTom 7h ago
Nononononononono!Please nooo!I need my mass effect to continue😭😭The best game in the world❤️ This is incredibly said.
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u/Gwynedhel7 7h ago
Many of us knew this was coming, but it’s still a sobering moment. RIP to one of the best gaming studios in its prime.
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u/TheGreyman787 7h ago
Stopped being a fan of Bioware long ago. Thought I wouldn't care when it would finally happen.
Thought wrong. Despite everything it is still sad for some reason. Too many good memories maybe.
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u/Angry_Seraph 6h ago
I will never forgive EA for acquiring my two favorite studios Visceral and Bioware in their prime just to suck the life out of them and smother the husk that remained. Dead Space and Mass Effect were my two favorite space franchises growing up and now they're dead and gone. Maybe now I can seek some closure and heal from the abuse that EA rendered on the companies and the fans that were affected.
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u/sissybaby1289 7h ago
"Don't worry everyone, the Saudis buying EA will have no impact on games development and studios won't be pushed into making things more culturally acceptable for Saudi Arabia."
Said the people before new EA ownership closed the most recognizable AAA studio making LGBT characters in gaming.
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u/Correvientos 7h ago
I think this has more to do with them shitting the bed for the last 10 years than the LGBT stuff
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u/andreicde 7h ago
Bioware could have just made better games you know. Their quality decreased dramatically.
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u/SomewhatProvoking 7h ago
We knew it was most likely coming. But it is sad.
I haven’t found aliens i like more than quarians. Loved the design of Angara and was excited to see them get a chance at redemption.
Drell were smooth
I am really gonna miss all the stories i hoped for in this franchise, and that feeling of believing new books or new stories could truly come.
Of course I hope it is sold but even if it is, we’re talking a decade. ME5 will be scrapped for better or worse.
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u/WhiskeyintheWarRoom 7h ago
Honestly, while I agree this is tragic, I'm hardly surprised. They've been on life support for a while now.
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u/tioeduardo27 7h ago
What do they mean by ~early~ development of the next Mass Effect? Shit's been announced for 6 years now.
This is one of the reasons the studio is closing.
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u/DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC 7h ago
Every single one of us needs to buy Exodus when it comes out, even if it sucks, just to flip EA the bird.
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u/YeesherPQQP 8h ago
And so it goes. Nothing was ever going to hit the same as the trilogy. I'm glad we got the remaster
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u/samuraipanda85 8h ago
Man, N7 Day is gonna suck this year.