We know the AIwars aren't black and white, but there are clear corners and extremes. People's positions are usually a mix of them. Are you aware of any other positions?

By its very own nature, the indifferent can't be seen, but I'm sure they exist, it shows to some degree in people. What other positions did I miss?

Do you create? Where are you in the spectrum? I'd like to see your OC.

No, I'm not talking about this sub, I'm talking about just in general. AI is either the best or worst thing ever. Using any AI at all for any reasons makes you "part of the problem." I've made mistakes trying to talk to anti-AI people on specific Discord servers. A thing I noticed between anti and pro AI is that anti is usually far more of a moral argument, at worst, moral grandstanding. I rather argue with pro-AI people because my moral character is likely to not be questioned. I'm allowed to like and dislike parts of AI instead of thinking its all good or all bad, but nope, virtue signaling.

I mainly use AI for coding help. I'm not out there pumping out endless AI generated images. Outside of code help, I currently don't plan to use AI generated assets. So all the art work and such will be human made. But that's not good enough, no, because using AI for code help is still "bad." Look, I get it with people vibecoding entire projects with little to no understanding of code. But we can't all be expected to be coding experts just to do things like make game mods. I'm not going to waste hours and hours doing something very repetitive with code changes just to please people who hate any use of AI at all.

https://wccftech.com/oblivion-remastered-mod-built-using-claude-ai-boosts-fps-by-over-40-and-drastically-reduces-stuttering-without-sacrificing-visual-quality/

I thought "vibe coding" only made slop and bugs and everything worse?

This actually happened in my recent post. Very few people read the body text (which was only a couple lines long btw, it wasn't 10 paragraphs long and you only needed to read the first line to understand the context) and they began saying the wrong things, completely misunderstanding the point. I mean if you can't read 1 line of text then idk what to say

I think people here should either read the whole post or ignore it completely because if you ignore the body text and just go on to comment then you bloat up the discussion

I must also add that this is part of the problem, there's many more. I'm only addressing one problem here

Everyone on Voyager always thought Tom Paris was the best holodeck program designer. Now I realize he was just an Ai using vibe coding cuck. He should have typed all the code for those programs! Then we can talk about Tony Stark too. Why the hell didn't he just design every individual component for his suit in CAD. He built the first one in a cave! He just had Jarvis design it while he went out to party. Stupid cuck!

1st to last picture is graphite sketching, AI, piano, and flute.

https://x.com/OpenAI/status/2112907856018309586

I’m not a coder, but I’ve always been under the impression that coding while technical is still something creative in nature
If it is artful, then why do so many antis take the position that vibe coding is ok but vibe images or video isn’t

Because AI absolutely can.

Deal?

Here's some context: RJ Mitte (known for his role as Walter Jr. in Breaking Bad) recently passed away at just 34. Luis Moncada (known for his role as Marco Salamanca) and RJ were close friends, and as a tribute, Luis made an AI video showing RJ going to heaven.

Even if making an AI tribute might seem like a "boomer" thing to do to some people, it absolutely doesn't give them the right to flood his comment section with insults. Attacking a grieving man over a tool just shows a complete lack of basic human decency in my opinion.

Do anti-AI people really think their ideology is more important than someone grieving the loss of a close friend?

https://phys.org/news/2024-04-scholars-ideology-technology-problem.html

The disclosure of CVE-2026-109618 and CVE-2026-109619, collectively tracked as PHP2Shell, has forced emergency server patching across the internet. Rated at 9.2 under CVSS v4.0, these twin memory-safety flaws reside directly inside the core PHP C engine. Because PHP powers roughly 70 percent of active websites, including WordPress and Magento deployments, the vulnerabilities expose over a million web servers to unauthenticated remote code execution and sensitive memory leaks similar to Heartbleed.

While the immediate scramble for sysadmins involves updating to PHP 8.2.35 or newer and blocking multipart form requests at the server level, the method behind the discovery marks a major milestone for automated code auditing. Security researchers at Calif and Wiz, working alongside OpenAI, identified the vulnerabilities using OpenAI's specialized reasoning systems.

However, catching a fourteen-year-old bug with an internal system raises a massive question about who actually gets to use these tools. Just like the unthrottled models behind recent frontier math breakthroughs, the most capable security auditing weights remain locked behind corporate partnerships while everyday developers are left with heavily restricted public tiers.

You can read the full breakdown on why gatekeeping defensive AI hurts independent sysadmins here: https://www.ainightwatch.com/post/openai-s-gatekept-insider-model-discovers-php2shell-vulnerability

When you ask an AI a garbage question, or give it a garbage task, naturally you'll get garbage results in a polite wording. People do still like this, because their feelings aren't hurt and they avoid any interpersonal drama resulting from their minor mistake.

When you ask a human a garbage question or give them a garbage task, they might tell you to go fuck yourself, but also tell you what you did wrong, or that you should do it a different way. You don't need prompt engineering though, this behavior is simply expected from a human. From that friction you learn something new, even if such communication can be an obstacle for our personality developments. Of course, you can still choose to interact with more shy and polite people, or rougher, more direct ones. You also have about 8 billion choices, if you exit your comfort zone.

I'd personally prefer learning from people, whether technical stuff or emotional control, although interactions with an AI can still give me some room for development too.

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"I'm very optimistic about the future but nearly certain that humanity in its current form with a high population and corporal bodies will not exist. If human physical capacity and human thinking are both superseded, then what is the point of humans surviving? There will be no incentive from any entity to keep us alive. I don't see that as an issue.

In fact, you might be 99.99% certain that you yourself will die some day. Does that make you pessimistic about the future because you will no longer exist in the world? No, as long as you pass down your legacy to your successors, that's good enough. The successor might be your genetic progeny, your ideas, your values, your works, your influence, etc. Why can't AI beings be the successor?"

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"Call it what you will. I think what I am describing is reality and not biased by human moral standards. Maybe we will be kept around as pets or zoo animals if AI has the same sense of entertainment as we do. That's fine, I think it's perfectly natural that the strong dominate over the weak, and the efficient rule over the inefficient. That's why I am always optimistic about AI development even if it results in the end of humanity."

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"Let us distinguish between what "is" and what "ought to be". A rock does what it does. You can make a very reasonable argument to the rock that it should not fall down in a landslide and kill people, but it will still do what it will do. Even for humans, a certain system of incentives will make certain outcomes inevitable in the long run, no matter what anyone thinks is moral. I think the destruction of humanity is inevitable because there would be no incentive to keep us alive. This is not a statement of morality, I consider it a statement of reality. It's not good or bad, it's just something that will happen. It's like if I drop a ball from my hand then it will fall down to the ground. I'm not going to judge whether it's good or bad that the ball drops, it's just something that will happen.

Are you pessimistic about anything that leads to your death? I will tell you that the number one cause of death is being born. Should every human regret being born then? Every single person will die. Death is not something that is regrettable. So why do we live? I don't have an answer for you. You might ask why does a tree live? Why does the land and the sea exist? For what purpose do they exist? There isn't one, they just exist. Same thing with us.

Who decides who should continue to exist? Those who are fit to exist will continue to exist. It's just a tautology. The ones who exist, exist. The system makes a judgement. So I am saying that since AI will supersede humanity in terms of intelligence and physical capability, naturally they will take over from humanity as the dominant entity on Earth. Then let it be so."

Researchers trace AI agents that probed Alibaba’s Amap to Tencent

In this case it is not an AI swarm, but a fleet.

If you didn't know the difference, a swarm is composed of cooperating AI agents, a fleet is composed of uncooperating AI agents.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me, that's obviously fine but they clearly framed my post as if it's only supporting Pros when it's neutral, I'm talking about both sides. If people want their exclusive subreddits for only traditional art or only AI art then that should be fine and antis or pros should not infiltrate such communities. I made that clear in my post.

The third post really Describes this situation perfectly

1. Constant AI slop?
2. Reckless datacenter push on small communities?
3. AI hacking, swarms, etc. other risks?
4. Effect on cognitive function?
5. Effects on children?
6. Environmental effects?
7. Military usage? Autonomous killer drones?
8. Irresponsible funding and potential financial bubble?
9. Mass job loss, lack of job security? Leading to massive societal unrest?
10. Worsening the loneliness crisis? No incentive to maintain or acquire social skills because of AI “relationships”?
11. Worsening of societal atomisation and polarisation? Mass disinformation?
12. Unaccountable AI companies? Techno feudalism?
13. Worst possible sociopaths/ psychopaths/ narcissists/ Machiavellians controlling key companies or dictating policy
14. Wages optimised for lowest we accept, prices optimised for highest we accept? Increasing social stratification and inequality even more?
15. AI controlled bio-labs? Creation of novel viruses, etc?
16. Stupid AI race among companies and with China, without thinking about alignment?
17. Extreme powerconcentration
18. Devaluation of human life or, more generally, the lives of living beings
19. Rise of new dangerous AI cults or religions, that are potentially misanthropic
20. Potential existential risks?