r/politics • u/Particular_Log_3594 • 6d ago

No Paywall Obama: Israel 'took the land' from Palestinians, 'ceded moral ground' in Gaza

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-911851
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u/StunningCloud9184 5d ago

As usual people think dems are bad but find out they were in the right all along.

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u/cptjeff 5d ago

Obama was always pretty sympathetic to the Palestinians but felt constrained by the politics of the issue.

That was not the case with Joe Biden, who was hardline zionist through and through. Obama would have reacted extremely differently to Israel's genocide than Biden did.

Democrats, like other groups, are not one thing. Obama is different than Biden is different than Clinton is different from Carter (who caused a political earthquake in 2006 when he used the word "apartheid" when zero political figures even dared to challenge Israel in even the smallest ways). The individual matters.

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u/ghost_finger 5d ago

I don’t think this was true. Obama didn’t have to deal with an Israel as aggressively genocidal as they became under Biden and Biden did try to get them to chill, he just failed and didn’t push hard enough

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u/RobCoxxy 5d ago

Why are we pretending Biden did anything

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u/TruthHistorical7515 5d ago

He approved weapons export to Israel

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u/RobCoxxy 5d ago

Yep. He did absolutely nothing to dissuade Israel from genocide or war crimes.

Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.” His remarks encapsulated a broader sentiment that the White House gave Benjamin Netanyahu all the political space he needed to execute the military offensive, which has claimed the lives of more than 52,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children.

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u/Specific-Parsnip9001 5d ago

You mean weapons embargo? The Trump admin lifted the embargo that the Biden admin placed. It wasn't a full embargo, just stopped them from getting our biggest bombs, but that's certainly better than nothing and a hell of a lot better than lifting it like Trump did.

Palestinians were ironically only hurt more by the "genocide Joe" rhetoric because it led to another Trump term.

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u/elihu 5d ago

Because he doesn't post AI slop of the resort he wants to build on ethnically-cleansed Palestinian territory. He also had that temporary dock built and blocked deliveries of 2,000 pound bombs to Israel for a time.

People care about performative gestures even when they don't significantly impact the situation. Biden acts "presidential" and that's good enough for a lot of people.

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u/NeonArlecchino California 5d ago

That dock was only around long enough for israeli terrorists to pose as aid workers and massacre nearly 300 Palestinians while wounding almost 700 more to retrieve four prisoners. It was barely operational for the time it was deployed, barely brought in any aid, and disappeared shortly after the massacre. Multiple human rights organizations wanted to investigate how it was used for the massacre and whether it was directly assisting it or just being used as a shield for israeli terrorists to deploy and extract from/near, but it was dismantled before any investigation could be completed.

That temporary dock likely killed more Palestinians than it pretended/tried to help.