r/politics • u/Particular_Log_3594 • 6d ago

No Paywall Obama: Israel 'took the land' from Palestinians, 'ceded moral ground' in Gaza

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-911851
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u/cptjeff 5d ago

Obama was always pretty sympathetic to the Palestinians but felt constrained by the politics of the issue.

That was not the case with Joe Biden, who was hardline zionist through and through. Obama would have reacted extremely differently to Israel's genocide than Biden did.

Democrats, like other groups, are not one thing. Obama is different than Biden is different than Clinton is different from Carter (who caused a political earthquake in 2006 when he used the word "apartheid" when zero political figures even dared to challenge Israel in even the smallest ways). The individual matters.

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u/ghost_finger 5d ago

I don’t think this was true. Obama didn’t have to deal with an Israel as aggressively genocidal as they became under Biden and Biden did try to get them to chill, he just failed and didn’t push hard enough

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u/Ivence 5d ago

Other presidents in the past had no issue "getting them to chill." You threaten the money and they back off, biden spent his career supporting zionism and he made some lip service to it while making no actual effort.

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u/Cream253Team Washington 5d ago

Tough to threaten the money being sent to Israel when voters keep handing Congress to Republicans every other election.

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u/squeezymarmite Europe 5d ago

Who needs Republicans to support Israel when you have Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi, and about two dozen other Democrats who act like it's their only job.

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u/Tyranitardis 5d ago

Quick question. Who was the President and held Congress to allow it when Israel got the US to start a wildly unpopular war with Iran?

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u/voodoodahl 5d ago

The lefts solution was to help give power to people who not only support Israel unerringly but will deport and imprison people protesting Israeli genocide. As usual their poser principals made everything worse.

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u/elihu 5d ago

Republicans actually blocked funding aid to both Israel and Ukraine for about 9 months during Biden's term. They did it for a petty reason, that they wanted Biden to look bad so that Democrats would lose in 2024. It worked, unfortunately.

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u/zefy_zef 5d ago

Well, also Democrats. AIPAC gives money to both sides of the aisle. Republicans are worse, obviously, but we need to hold our own to account as well.

I think it needs to made incredibly obvious who accepts money from israel so that people can make an informed choice. I know they have to declare it, but they should be made to proclaim it. Maybe them wear fucking nascar jackets.

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u/EvilTables 5d ago

Not really. He was the president, he could have certainly threatened a lot more. Instead he pretty much looked the other way.

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u/ColdSteveStoneAustin 5d ago

Yeah well, somehow Americans made it worse than even that.