r/politics • u/Ilikeinvestigating • Sep 18 '26

No Paywall Joe Rogan Calls Trump Fans 'F**king Nuts' And Says He's Been 'Left-Wing My Whole Life'

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u/Bahmedino Sep 18 '26

So Joe Rogan lies again.

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u/Ilikeinvestigating Sep 18 '26

What a surprise, am I right.

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u/AlDente United Kingdom Sep 18 '26

Jamie, pull up whether he’s right

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u/bloedit Sep 18 '26

It took him supporting Trump for Americans to realize his ideology and politics.

Before that you'd be the one cancelled for calling out all the red flags in every interview.

Heck, even now people will say he was totally liberal before.

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u/TheIllustriousWe Sep 18 '26

I think Joe used to be a fairly standard “brogressive” - leans left on most economic and social issues, except when it comes to anything a feminist might believe, in which case they tack hard to the right.

But as he got older and filthy rich, his social circle transformed from regular people to other wealthy eccentrics peddling their own conspiracy theories, and hack comics whose careers are dependent upon staying in Joe’s good graces. And to this day he’s put no thought into how that happened, so much so that he seems genuinely confused about why he can’t call himself liberal anymore after endorsing a fascist for President.

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u/bloedit Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

A brogressive does not lean left, they argue they lean left.

They support politically liberal or left policies as long as the latter doesn't seem to concern or directly benefit the former.

On that point let's not forget that politics and ideology are not the same. People may u-turn their politics, but ideology is very hard to truly change. 

And it wasn't just his misogyny that stood out, all forms of discrimination (especially racism) as well as anti-intellectualism (just asking questions) have been a notable issue with him.

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u/pbjamm Canada Sep 18 '26

Lean Left = smokes pot

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u/Plow_King Sep 18 '26

left handed cigarette

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u/Glum-Sheepherder-787 Sep 18 '26

Exactly, thank you so so much for calling that out. People's tendency to excuse and enable is what has me feeling so hopeless.

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u/TheIllustriousWe Sep 18 '26

That's a good point. There was likely a disconnect between what he claimed to believe and how he actually voted, if he even voted at all back then.

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u/explodedsun Sep 18 '26

The old word for that was NIMBY

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u/Psytherea New York Sep 18 '26

brogressive? you mean libertarian?

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u/TheIllustriousWe Sep 18 '26

I think Joe was probably more fiscally liberal than your standard libertarian, at least before that $100M check from Spotify cleared. Like it’s hard to imagine 2012-era Joe calling for a flat income tax, or abolishing it altogether.

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u/Unknown-Meatbag Sep 18 '26

You say that like there's a tangible difference with libertarians. They're just Republicans who smoke weed.

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u/TheIllustriousWe Sep 18 '26

Libertarians = Republicans who smoke weed

Brogressives = liberals who hate women

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u/Unknown-Meatbag Sep 18 '26

Touchė, can't argue with that one.

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u/WIbigdog Wisconsin Sep 18 '26

I recall him at some point saying to raise taxes...

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u/obeytheturtles Sep 18 '26

The whole time his podcast was popular his bit was interviewing fringe ideas. This meant he did a lot of conspiracy stuff, and lot of woowoo stuff, and in that era, those topics leaned right. Particularly at the end of the second Obama term, we were really getting into like the era of Jordan Peterson and the birth certificates and Pizzagate and the rise of the alt right and the manosphere, and he definitely played a big role in platforming those ideas.

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u/DangerousLoner Sep 18 '26

And then he saw Epstein and decided to side with the bad guys in the Conspiracy. Killer AI Robots and mass surveillance is good actually. And his friend Peter defended Epstein so who really cares about pedophiles trafficking young girls into sexual exploitation? How old are his teen daughters again?

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u/LEDKleenex Sep 18 '26

Power corrupts almost always. People don't like hearing it, but most people only lean one direction because it benefits them in the moment. Then they will spin up an identity and a moral justification to convince even themselves that they truly believe in it.

It takes strong personality with conviction to maintain those beliefs when your circumstances change. It takes even more conviction to act (knowingly) against your own interests.

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u/DangerousLoner Sep 18 '26

I miss Dolly Parton.

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u/Pinguino2323 Utah Sep 18 '26

The vibe I've always gotten is that he's just kind of dumb and as a result will just agree with what anyone who is a half decent debater or semi charismatic speaker tells him. He doesn't seem to stand for anything and just seems to agree with what the guest on show thinks, minus the covid stuff where he really went hardcore anti science for some reason.

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u/saqwarrior Sep 18 '26

That's one I've never heard, and it's fucking perfect.

I also like that it mirrors a portmanteau of bro and regressive, as a hidden subtext critique.

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u/sixwax Sep 18 '26

"Brogressive" is just a great modern term for Libertarian.

The age-old trope about libertarians just not having thought things through (e.g. where do roads come from) still holds, unfortunately.

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u/Freenore Sep 18 '26

He's socially conservative, fiscally liberal. It is why he also likes Bernie Sanders as he stays clear of the culture wars and has class politics at the centre of his agenda.

This is a phenomena that should be spoken about much more — both Trump and Sanders share supporters because they're tapping into the same voter base. The white lower middle class and working class people who feel they've been left behind as their situation hasn't improved.

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u/novakaj87 Sep 18 '26

Brogresive is a great way to put it.

I do believe that he is left leaning, but I also believe he is an idiot and that because of his popularity, he causes a lot of damage when he shares some bad advice.

He did also endorse Bernie sanders in the past...

It's too bad, I used to listen to him a lot until he spread the anti-vax rhetoric. I thought he was a good interviewer but I can't listen to him after that...

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u/lamewoodworker Sep 18 '26

Fiscal Liberal and Social Conservative

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u/PaulSandwich Florida Sep 18 '26

He was arguing that the moon landing was a hoax 20+ years ago.
Dude has been dumb.

I was a big fan of his podcast back in the day, not because it was educational. Somewhere in the mid 2010s, probably when he had the AIDS-isn't-real guy on, I realized I had heard all the comedy store stories and waxing poetic on chimps that I cared to and that the non-comedian guests had gotten... weird.

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u/bloedit Sep 18 '26

2006: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__CvmS6uw7E

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u/PaulSandwich Florida Sep 18 '26

Oh dude I forgot about this. He immediately starts shrieking at an actual PhD in Chimpology when she tries to explain why/how he's fallen for a hoax.

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u/Hola-World Sep 18 '26

Liberals are on the right. They’re just Democrats in this timeline.

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u/meatwad420 Alabama Sep 18 '26

You think Democrats are right wing?

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u/AndreTheShadow Sep 18 '26

Yes, and we're tired of pretending they're not. In the civilized world, the Democratic platform is a bog-standard center-right platform.

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u/voyaging Ohio Sep 18 '26

Tankies think anyone right of Che Guevara is right wing.

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u/Dorjan420 Sep 18 '26

"Why does it lie?"

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u/Synectics Sep 18 '26

For those who do not know how silly he has been over the years, check out the several episodes of the podcast Knowledge Fight where they cover Alex Jones showing up on Joe Rogan and vice versa. The main host, Dan, really shames Jamie as a "researcher" repeatedly. It is absurd.

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u/frosty_lizard Sep 18 '26

It's entirely possible

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u/BloodyRightNostril Virginia Sep 19 '26

A hundred percent

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u/Tony_Cheese_ Sep 18 '26

No you've been left forever

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u/Syncopia Sep 18 '26

I don't even think he's lying. He's just that mentally cooked.

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u/FargeenBastiges Sep 18 '26

He probably saw a conspiracy theory somewhere that said "Joe Rogan is Left-Wing".

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u/Flomo420 Sep 18 '26

Lol this is the reason I'm choosing to believe

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u/El_Babad00k Michigan Sep 18 '26

I mean I really think it’s just “public opinion against Trump has reached a point where I’ve noticed that I’m losing viewers/money so now I’m going to hop on the anti-Trump train along with Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor-Greene, Candace Owens, etc.”

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u/Flomo420 Sep 18 '26

Oh absolutely it's probably just craven and self serving but the other version is just more fun lol

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u/Suspicious_Pizza69 Sep 18 '26

He heard they're looking for a Joe Rogan of the left, so he became the Joe Rogan of the left.

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u/lazyFer Sep 18 '26

That's just what the last person he talked to said

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u/WisebloodNYC Sep 18 '26

Just like Trump in this regard. No capacity for introspection.

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u/Gseventeen Sep 18 '26

A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything.

Pull that up

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u/Peach_Air Sep 18 '26

If she cheats, its over, no exeptions.

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u/WisebloodNYC Sep 18 '26

Rogan is an empty vessel, ready and willing to be filled with whatever nonsense he was told most recently.

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u/zorp_shlorp Sep 18 '26

It’s a major component of narcissism

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u/Similar-Active-5027 Sep 18 '26

I think it's the Dunning-Kruger effect with Joe. He thinks he sees all the angles.

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u/Hegario Sep 18 '26

Yup. He's not exactly an Alphabrain.

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u/Wise-Comb8596 Sep 18 '26

Alphabrain is the only thing I have ever shoplifted from a store. it was ass.

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u/cassinonorth New Jersey Sep 18 '26

He's also feeling the heat from the Elephant Graveyard takedown on YouTube. The entire Rogansphere is melting down.

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u/Throwsims3 Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

He is lying, people are not THAT fucking stupid. Yes, he is dumb as rocks. But he has very consciously made the choice to support the scumbag piece of shit that is Trump for ages. He has made tonnes of money doing so too. Excusing his lies with "He's dumb" is being way too fucking kind to pieces of shit like him.

Like when people though Ivanka was some sort of leftist who would "talk sense" to Trump or all the people who still have this weird way of excusing Melania by saying she is a victim, when it is evident she is just as bad as her horrid husband.

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u/makos5267 Sep 18 '26

Schrodingers Rogan. You can never tell if he’s compromised or he’s actually just that dumb. For the longest time I thought it was the latter, lately he’s been giving me a sneaking suspicion that he’s being willfully ignorant to be a gop mouth piece, but now again he’s tilting back towards maybe he is just that dumb

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u/_0611 Sep 18 '26

Remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

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u/pali1d Sep 18 '26

True. It’s a delusion then.

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u/dougan25 Sep 18 '26

Yeah he's a little confused. What he meant to say was "piece of shit grifter", not leftwing

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u/robocalypse Sep 18 '26

I'm sure he's identifies with the "classically liberal" moniker that so many right-wing grifters trot out.

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u/MrJok3r14 New York Sep 18 '26

Ivermectin is one hellova drug

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u/webby131 Illinois Sep 18 '26

He thinks smoking weed and not wanting to stone gay people to death makes him left wing.

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u/teetheyes Sep 18 '26

I believe he was never really right wing or maga, just very easily manipulated in that big echo chamber he made in texas with his spotify money. I think he googled himself for the first time recently.

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u/BrianDetomes Sep 18 '26

Naw this is lying, now

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u/Hyperious3 Sep 18 '26

wait, you're telling me the protein addicted stoner that gets his shit rocked in the octagon on the monthly might be slightly mentally deficient???

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u/popepaulpop Sep 18 '26

Joe is a Bernie bro - nimby - anti woke - 2A - libertarian

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u/makos5267 Sep 18 '26

In fairness I don’t think anyone can bring up his past Bernie support now that he has supported Trump so vocally more recently. That said it indicates he’s not a typical maga and has some capacity for different opinions

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u/popepaulpop Sep 19 '26

Joe supports anything that will make him feel good or like a good person up until the point where it becomes clear that policy will inconvenience him in some way.

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u/Cute_Flamingo_241 Sep 18 '26

On the early JRE, im talking 10+ years ago. He was a pretty liberal and he spoke about it frequently. It changed with COVID

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u/Ltrly_Htlr Sep 18 '26

I tried listening to him in 2016-17 and he was just as much of a dumbass then as he is now. Total brain rot

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u/Affectionate-Act1574 Sep 18 '26

I lost family members to Joe Rogan. Turned them into Nazi apologists, just-give-him-a-chance-rs. Fuck that guy. Better yet, UNfuck that guy!

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u/PDGAreject Kentucky Sep 18 '26

I'm pretty sure this person just didn't realize that 10 years ago is only 2016 haha.

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u/The_Autarch Sep 18 '26

it was more like 15-20 years ago when Joe sounded like a lefty. the brainrot had already taken over by 2016.

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u/UnassumingOstrich Sep 18 '26

i listened to JRE in 2011-12 and liked it, but even THEN there were red flags. i don’t think it was a shock to see how things turned out.

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u/ShufflingToGlory Sep 18 '26

"Powerful combination genetic wise, right? You get the body of the Black man and then you get the mind of the white man altogether in some strange combination.”

“That doesn’t, by the way, mean that Black people don’t have brains. It’s a different brain.”

Joe Rogan in 2011

Rogan was recounting a trip to Philadelphia with friends to see Planet of the Apes. Their taxi dropped them at a cinema in a predominantly Black neighbourhood. In the original story, Rogan said: “We walk into Planet of the Apes. We walked into Africa, dude.”

Joe Rogan in 2013

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u/FartMongersRevenge Sep 18 '26

My favorite is joe quote is “Generally speaking, Chinese people look Chinese.”

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u/Satorwave Sep 18 '26

Floor is made of floor

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u/MF_D00MSDAY Sep 18 '26

He’s always been an idiot and being left wing/liberal leaning doesn’t mean you can’t be racist.

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u/Bermnerfs I voted Sep 18 '26

Seriously, people who think the left doesn't have its own racists have never talked to liberal boomers and have never visited Boston.

Some of the most racist shit I have ever heard came from older wealthy northeast liberals. There's a lot of truth to the "White Southerners will accept a black neighbor, but not a black boss, while white Northerners will accept a black boss, but not a black neighbor" trope.

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u/MF_D00MSDAY Sep 18 '26

I’m from Texas and currently in Boston, the racism in the northeast is not even close to the south so you must not know very many from anywhere else lol but yeah there are definitely plenty of them up here, but it’s more ignorant racism than hate filled if that makes sense. I’ve never heard people talking about wanting brown and black people to die up here.

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u/ITrageGuy Sep 18 '26

I loved how Get Out nailed this.

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u/IndianaJonesDoombot Sep 18 '26

It changed with Spotify money

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u/ChurroFoot Sep 18 '26

Move to Texas

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u/rapgameoprahwinfrey Sep 18 '26

He’s a drifting boat with no anchor. Which is why he just plays to the whomever is on his pod that day. Dude moved to Texas and changed into what he thought the stereotype was.

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u/OregonMrBear Sep 18 '26

All of you are right. It was the cocktail of Texas, filthy fucking rich, and COVID. It used to be the greatest podcast ever, now it’s devoid of any value of any kind. He only brings on people that want to decry how awful the lying left wing media is.

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u/FartMongersRevenge Sep 18 '26

His show has always sucked. He’s always been a moron, which is why he is a moron now. The best his show has ever been is the intellectual equivalent of professional wrestling. Joe “mmm, adult baby” Rogain.

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u/TheIllustriousWe Sep 18 '26

I agree, his show was never that good. It’s greatest strength was that it was one of the first podcasts, so a lot of people just stuck with it out of habit.

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u/robodrew Arizona Sep 18 '26

Tom Green should be the one with the biggest podcast in the world. If we lived in an ideal world.

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u/paws5624 Sep 18 '26

I used to enjoy certain episodes early on. He’d have some weird guests on talking about wacky shit. Some were genuine and interesting and had some merit to what they were saying, others were lunatics and had no valid points but were interesting to listen to at least. He was an idiot but at the time he typically didnt try to pretend he wasn’t an idiot. Now he thinks he knows a lot more than he does and insufferable.

I’ve listened back to some older things and the signs were there but between him not being as overt and me being younger at the time it didnt seem nearly as bad

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u/TheIllustriousWe Sep 18 '26

I used to really only listen to the episodes with comedians, and I usually enjoyed them. But looking back it’s hard to imagine that I ever truly liked listening to Joe and Joey Diaz talk for four hours about fucking nothing important at all, and it feels like the only reason I did is because there were so fewer podcasts to choose from back then.

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u/VinnyDaBoy Sep 18 '26

He turned right before the Covid and Texas.

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u/StinkyBrittches Sep 18 '26

Also manipulation by tech oligarchs, foreign governments, our own government, and other powers-that-be that saw him as useful. I see it as more around 2016 that the shift started. He wasn't hurting anybody talking about Bigfoot and ancient aliens before then. But in the run up to the 2016 election, there was this big push where fringe stuff got normalized: Alex Jones went mainstream, Q-Anon, PizzaGate... all of that stuff. That was when he went from semi-lovable meathead stoner to something more destructive.

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u/McG0788 Sep 18 '26

Spotify or Russian money?

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u/Bzr21 Sep 18 '26

maybe both ..

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u/mburke6 Ohio Sep 18 '26

Bilderberg Group

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u/bigrivertea Sep 18 '26

He was a MAGA shill well before COVID. He indorsed Trump over Hillary because "you just can't trust a woman with nuclear weapons"

I remember when there was a couple week period during the 2016 election where it was obvious Bernie was not going to get the Dem nomination but was still in and that is exactly when Rogan indorsed him briefly before doing a complete 180 and indorsing Trump. He did this to build cheap clout, if you pay attention he does this shit in a 'lather, rinse, repeat' cycle. Right now is back in the build clout phase, showing people how rational but free thinking he is. No doubt he will use the clout he attempting to build now to later sell people on the next right wing, oligarchy promoting narcissist.

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u/christoskal Sep 18 '26

Νο he wasn't. He was spreading racism and dumbass extreme far right ideas back then as well. You were probably just too young to notice at the time.

I remember his first controversies about extreme racism more than a decade and a half ago. The dude's brain was cooked at least a full decade before COVID

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u/potatolulz Sep 18 '26

smoking weed doesn't make a person "liberal" :D

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u/duckinradar Sep 18 '26

Ten years ago I knew any dipshit who started talking about Joe Rogan was a misogynist asshole.

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u/CrashingBlumpkins46 Sep 18 '26

He was platforming and agreeing with Gavin McInnes (Proud Boys founder) and Milo Yiannopoulos (right wing troll) YEARS before COVID. The man said "black people have different brains than white people" a DECADE before COVID.

Don't give him the "COVID cooked his brain" excuse when he was a piece of shit well before that.

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u/TheBigGadowski I voted Sep 18 '26

I used to listen to him all the time, and I am going to say between 2007 to 2012. and I use those dates because that's when I started and ended at a job and I would always listen to podcasts while I worked. at some point (before 2012) I stopped listening to him once I learned who Alex Jones was and that he frequented his podcast.

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u/Less-Cap6996 Sep 18 '26

JR has never been a pretty anything, haha

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u/Allegorist Sep 18 '26

I would say it more changed with the people he had on starting around the lead up to the 2016 elections. That's around the time the malicious disinformation distribution ramped up in our society in general, and he regularly had people on that ate it all up. He had always had on occasional alien abductees or conspiracy theorists, but after that point those became his main kind of guest, and therefore his main audience, which reinforced having those guests on, which... Etc.

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u/rererexed Sep 18 '26

People always, ALWAYS say this and it was just never en close to true.

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u/DJK695 Sep 18 '26

“Pretty liberal” compared to what? The dudes been involved with fighting which leans heavily conservative imo

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Sep 18 '26

It changed well before that. I stopped listening to him in 2015. There he broke for Trump shortly after.

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u/Aunt_Vagina1 Sep 18 '26

Its the other side of the same coin of the conservative trope that they don't really care about people until it happens to them or someone close to them. Joe is a "liberal" until he finds out it requires occasional inconvenience to think about the larger groups' needs instead of only prioritizing yourself, and then he's out.

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u/assenrad Sep 18 '26

I think you mean 15-20 years ago

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u/Glum-Sheepherder-787 Sep 18 '26

I will never understand why people continue to lie about this. He's the same person he has always been. I just take it as a an admission that they agree with him on most things.

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u/Proper-Beyond116 Sep 18 '26

Specifically it changed with the episode in March/April with the immunologist who told him kettlebells and saunas (he actually asked the scientist if he was aware of heat shock proteins) would not strengthen his immune system and that he was as vulnerable as any other middle aged man to a novel virus.

He did not like that one bit and took a HARD turn towards horse de-wormer from that point.

It was the last episode I ever listened to as well. An absolute watershed moment.

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u/felldestroyed Sep 18 '26

libertarian, apolitical.
Of course, only libertarian when you don't count that *one interview with Bernie Sanders.

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u/Johnatron2000 Sep 18 '26

If he’s not lying then he’s listening to some else lie so he can then say the lie.

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u/noyoto Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

I can believe he has mostly voted for Democrats. I also know he was very fond of Bernie, probably more so than Trump.

Trying to push someone as influential as him towards Trump is really fucking dumb. Same goes for Tucker. If they want to abandon the ship, good. Let them. We don't have to sing their praises or become their fans. We can just be glad that they turned away from a major fascist movement, which is more important than gloating over how much better we are.

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u/goddamnitwhalen Washington Sep 18 '26

Fuck that lmao Rogan was a huge part of getting Trump reelected.

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u/goddamnitwhalen Washington Sep 18 '26

“The great and powerful @elonmusk.
If it wasn't for him we'd be fucked. He makes what I think is the most compelling case for Trump you'll hear, and I agree with him every step of the way.

For the record, yes, that's an endorsement of Trump.

Enjoy the podcast”

-a tweet from Rogan, presented verbatim.

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u/njob3 Sep 18 '26

He was a huge part in getting Trump elected the first time.

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u/FlipGordon Sep 18 '26

I agree with the sentiment, but at the same time Trump won the popular vote across the country, so we're going to need to allow people to change their minds if we ever want anything to change.

Again, I completely get what you're saying, I'm just piggybacking off of the comment to give other people the food for thought.

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u/Adelaidey Sep 18 '26

we're going to need to allow people to change their minds if we ever want anything to change

Serious question: what does "allowing" somebody else to change their mind look like to you?

Speaking personally, I've changed my mind on some big issues in my lifetime, and it's never occured to me to check if I'm "allowed". I'm not sure I'd even know where to start. What specifically are you advocating for here?

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u/Half_Cent Sep 18 '26

The problem is those people are still either stupid or have morals I don't agree with. I'm not going back to hanging out with friends or family we cut off. Not unless they truly repudiate every heinous thing they said for years.

And they won't.

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u/FlipGordon Sep 18 '26

Hey I totally get that as well which is why I just said we need to "allow" people to change their minds. If they do and they understand where they went wrong, that's amazing. But if they're going to double down and never look inward, then that's on them and nobody should feel forced to forgive or be associated with them.

I can't state enough that I'm not trying to argue or dispute your feelings, just speaking into the internet's expanse incase anyone else needs to hear it, ya know?

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u/Diantr3 Sep 18 '26

We can still be glad he's no longer using that influence to fight for Trump, no matter how profoundly stupid he is and damaging he was to society, and not push him back into fascism.

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u/a-bser Sep 18 '26

Yeah now he's only using that influence to push pseudo science, anti vax, and flat earth theory, which the majority of people who believe in that are right leaning.

He may not be fighting for trump, but he's allowing the messages that support him get through unchecked and unchallenged

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u/Internet-Cryptid Canada Sep 18 '26

Why would you take this at face value? What evidence shows his stances have truly changed? I see a rat fleeing a sinking ship, not someone remorseful or reformed.

Don't make the same mistake the Union did with the Confederates.

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u/Few_Cricket_4686 Sep 18 '26

Dude flips like a coin with his morals, I'm not going to baby him so he can just keep saying and causing dumb shit to happen.

The Confederacy was also "ah, let's just leave em', they know better now."

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u/Subietoy78 Sep 18 '26

You don’t get to light your house on fire and then say you don’t like fires because they burn down your house.

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u/epigenie_986 Florida Sep 18 '26

I mean, you can say whatever you want. Doesn’t mean you’ll have any credibility afterwards.

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u/StaysAwakeAllWeek Sep 18 '26

Credibility isnt necessary to sway his fans. They arent the most free thinking bunch

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u/epigenie_986 Florida Sep 18 '26

Which is why he even has a platform at all.

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u/Neiladaymo Sep 18 '26

That doesn't negate the truth of the comment you replied to. It's a net benefit for people to walk away from them and we should be happy about it, even if those people themselves are shitty

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u/blender4life Sep 18 '26

"Walking away from" requires a lot more from someone in his position than just saying "I don't like trump anymore". Like taking actual action of not having right wing shit spewed on your platform, but he won't. The moment we have pandemic 2.0 or Jan 6th second reckoning he will be right back to "just asking questions".

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u/SomniumHumanitatis Sep 18 '26

Just wait a few months and he's back to sucking Trump off. I don't believe he actually is walking away from that.

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u/Kaiisim Sep 18 '26

Okay and when he comes back later and votes republican again?

How many times do you need to fall for it?

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u/TheAskewOne Sep 18 '26

As soon as he talks to a maga person. That guy never had an original opinion in his life.

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u/AwildYaners Hawaii Sep 18 '26 edited Sep 18 '26

All of us normal people can happily judge a dude that’s so clearly lied and switched sides.

But this is a good thing. What’s worse is if he doubles down, with his platform. This at least shows the cultists that you can change your mind.

If we have any hope that our country can be saved from this mental virus, we basically need this to happen.

I look at this as a social litmus test. Even if it’s probably just about the money and ego, it means it’s effected his bottom line; we’re also in a new world where celebrities can’t be apolitical, the politics have become too radical that you have to pick a side.

Are you with the proletariat, or with the ruling class?

I wouldn’t put Tucker in the same boat though. That dude is just trying to position for a “new Republican Party.”

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u/DrMeatBomb Sep 18 '26

He didn't change sides. He's still pushing the same Republican propaganda he's been pushing for 6 years, now. He makes an offhand remark denouncing Trump when Trump's at his least popular and you people can't wait to play along with his enlightened centrism.

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u/sexisfun1986 Sep 18 '26

Except that not how any of this stuff works. 

Like I get it mind virus is a nice little metaphor but it’s far from actually descriptive of what’s happening. 

The anti intellectual, conspiracy brain, chauvinism and bigotry that he propagated is responsible for today’s rise of Fascism.

If you give him a pass and let him return to the same stuff the conditions that created the rebirth of fascism will remain.

It’s not a virus that suddenly came out of nowhere, it wasn’t one thing and it’s as old as the nation. 

The global resurgence of fascism came out of the society it now attacks, simply expecting everything to get better when you return to the status quo that created the problem is a solution. 

It’s not about political parties it’s about ideology. 

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u/caseyanthonyftw Sep 18 '26

Rather than thinking Rogan is going to support anything leftwing, it's more likely he's just going to support whoever the next loudest, idiot grifter is. He's just seeing the writing on the wall now that the average maga is spending all their money on gas.

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u/mancitycon Sep 18 '26

There's nothing to fall for if you are of an average intelligence. The guy you replied to said we don't have to sing their praises and be their fans. Just be glad they're willing to move away from fascism. So let Joe have the chance to do so

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u/OuijaFox Sep 18 '26

Not until that walking thumb admits what he did.
If he can admit what he did and that he knows he was wrong openly, loudly, on his podcast, on mic, and released into the world, then I’ll allow the space for Rogan to walk away from his fascist buddies.

Until then he’s still got them all the way down his throat and I can’t understand his gargling.

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u/LordViciousElbow Sep 18 '26

The guy also said "Trying to push someone as influential as (Joe Rogan) is really fucking dumb." I'm guessing he missed Rogan glazing Trump's sack for most of a decade.

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u/ThePatio Sep 18 '26

Tucker has always been far right and still is. He’s still fascist he just doesn’t like the current flavor

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u/Made_Human_Music Sep 18 '26

The problem is I don’t think he or Tucker are turning away from fascism, they’re just mad about this current version of it because it did something they don’t like. They’ll latch onto the next monsters to come along and go right back where they were

And even if they don’t do that they’re both partly responsible for getting people to support this mess. The only way they’ll deserve forgiveness is if they do something significant to help stop it but I don’t think they will. If they can’t do that they need to go away

But if I’m wrong and they’ve truly realized the error of their ways and are legitimately sorry then they should understand and accept our derision. If being told they suck for supporting that demented pedophile pushes them back into supporting him then they were never really sorry

I see too many MAGAts say that the reason they support Trump is because of how mean we were to them for supporting Trump. I never bought that with the low level trash and I definitely don’t buy it from the high levels either. Supporting Trump is a moral failure and a choice they all made, that deserves nothing but contempt for a very long time

If you want to forgive them or even just give them a chance that’s great, but be careful. These people can’t be trusted

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u/fiercedeitysponce Sep 18 '26

Be cautious of wrapping Tucker into this. He’s a known anti-Semite and is likely throwing in behind Abdul because he’s trying to co-opt the tiktok anti-Zionists into his genocide fantasy. He will always be a snake.

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u/EagleCatchingFish Oregon Sep 18 '26

Exactly. Tucker Carlson needs to be understood by his beliefs—not his aggregate position on a left right spectrum. Carlson is an isolationist, a very cynical and hypocritical type of populist, a white supremacist, a virulent anti-Semite, and more or less a paleo-conservative. If this were a different time, he'd be a John Bircher. He has not "seen the light". He's just seen that there will soon be a day where the white Christian nationalists on the far right won't be looped around MAGA and where populists of all stripes might be re-aligned. He wants to get there before they do so that he can have power.

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u/mokomi Sep 18 '26

I also think the problem with most BoTh SiDeS crowd is they also almost always vote republican and regret it. Until we get voting records proving that he has been voting democrat. I'm going to call BS or straight lies and needs to lie (miss wording intended) in the bed he's made.

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u/ketchupnsketti Florida Sep 18 '26

Rogan is a very open right winger who openly endorsed Trump and didn't let Kamala on his show and did multi hour puff pieces with Trump and other right wingers and pushed narratives about children wearing cat suits and pooping in little boxers in schools and he worships the billionaire class... like come on. he's lying. you're being had. trump just isn't popular now.

the point is valid for people doing this earnestly but he's not one of them.

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u/gbiypk Sep 18 '26

It might just be that Joe sees which way the political winds are blowing, and he's repositioning himself to profit accordingly. I don't know if he's going to swing far enough to have someone like AOC or Mamdani on his show, but if he's less extreme then that's a good thing. Way too many young men listen to him religiously.

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u/GoldEdit Sep 18 '26

You really aren’t seeing the full picture here. Joe doesn’t have a stance and will sway his opinion to keep favor. He’s useless

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u/DeuceGnarly Sep 18 '26

Agree somewhat, but I am not gloating over being better than this idiot. I want everyone to loudly oroclaim he's an idiot, so that other idiots hear there are consequences, even if only in the form of social pressure, and they might think twice before mindlessly following another idiot . Stupid people are fucking stupid, and shouldn't be put on pedestals.

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u/A_LostPumpkin Sep 18 '26

Last time Rogan had Bernie on, Rogan went hard and disagreed on a few topics. Most felt it was more abrasive than the trump interview.

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u/gielbondhu Sep 18 '26

Tucker was a fashy racist long before Trump was President

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u/Internet-Cryptid Canada Sep 18 '26

You're out of your mind if you think Tucker Carlson is turning a new leaf. He's a paid Russian shill and operative against democracy.

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u/sexisfun1986 Sep 18 '26

I genuinely don’t understand how people think politics or ideology work.

Because it sure doesn’t have anything to do with reality.

Him being a an anti intellectual bigot but with a vote democrat T-shirt doesn’t stop the rise of fascism. 

You do realize that literally Mussolini was a talking head that called himself a socialist. 

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u/OuijaFox Sep 18 '26

They didn’t turn away from it.
They supported it and pushed it and platformed it.

They are turning away from the fact that they don’t want to be blamed for their role in what happened. They are trying to hide from accountability and your comment does nothing but allow them to try to weasel out of being held accountable.

Fuck Rogan and his orange stained tongue.
And the same for Ben “I’ve never made my wife wet” Shapiro and every other loser that platformed these ghouls for money.

But an extra fuck off to anyone trying to give them enough breathing room to continue to be pieces of shit.

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u/WonkyWalkingWizard Sep 18 '26

It's very silly to think that he doesn't still support Trump.

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u/Notgoodatfakenames2 Sep 18 '26

It bothers me that people believe him.

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u/FittedSheets88 Louisiana Sep 18 '26

But he always calls himself politically homeless. Now you're telling me that was all just for the clout?

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u/Icc0ld Sep 18 '26

Uh oh, looks like the cheque didn't clear again. DW, we just need to wait a few weeks and then they'll put the money in the account and he'll finally get paid again

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u/RobbSol Sep 18 '26

Changes direction as the wind does.

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u/Gibder16 Sep 18 '26

Isn’t that MAGA’s M.O.?

The problem is these fuckwits still believe everything these dirtbags spew. No matter how contradictory.

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u/Lopoloma Sep 18 '26

Turncoat is feinting some common sense again to play the other side.
Once Trump pulls down his zipper little Joe is on his knees again.

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u/WaxWings54 Sep 18 '26

Just another “Whoopsie” from the Comedy Czar

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u/justneurostuff Sep 18 '26

i say let him!

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u/jbrown383 Sep 18 '26

Sky is up, water is wet.

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u/JohnBrownSurvivor Sep 18 '26

... some more.

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u/nursecarmen Sep 18 '26

He’s always been at war with East Asia.

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u/Ar_Ciel Texas Sep 18 '26

Even a thumb-head like Joe Rogan has a sense of self-preservation. Of course he's going to abandon ship when the money stops flowing.

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u/s8rlink Sep 18 '26

Living in that walled garden 

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u/PWNtimeJamboree Georgia Sep 18 '26

hes either a liar, or hes genuinely stupid

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u/GodofsomeWorld Sep 18 '26

He lied as easily as he breathed

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u/PDGAreject Kentucky Sep 18 '26

I don't usually do a spit take at a reddit title, but I did for this one.

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u/scared_of_Low_stuff Sep 18 '26

He probably just learned about the Nuremberg trials.

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u/SkepticJoker Sep 18 '26

Jamie, pull up that clip

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u/dragon-fence Sep 18 '26

We’r going to see more of this— MAGA assholes pretending they weren’t, pretending they never liked Trump at all, like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

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u/rotates-potatoes Sep 18 '26

Eh, it's not a lie when it's a performer saying lines. Apparently market research says there's more money to be had pivoting to liberalism, or at least doing some controversy before returning to goose stepping.

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u/AssignedHaterAtBirth Sep 18 '26

If he wants to flip left shouldn't we just let him? Don't gotta like the guy but do I need to explain why we don't want to discourage that??

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u/tackleboxjohnson Sep 18 '26

Snip snap snip snap snip snap.

You have no idea the physical toll that being a podcaster has on a person

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u/FormerDittoHead Sep 18 '26

He's liberal in that he's not religious and doesn't go to church every week.

The backbone of the Republican party are evangelicals, who make up its largest cohort and who regularly attend church.

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u/DigNitty Sep 18 '26

I just don’t know who to believe….

96% of scientists, or this guy who literally got kicked in the head for a living.

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u/Entire_Mastodon_2668 Sep 18 '26

Joe "Where the wind blows" Rogan.

Either way, this is a positive indication that the pendulum is shifting back to left-wing again.

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u/dogs_gt_cats Sep 18 '26

While yes, he is lying, it is an interesting datapoint about what direction the wind is blowing.

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u/Someofusremembersome Sep 18 '26

To be fair, just after he mentions the fact that he has been left wing all his life, he says that he did support him and laughs about it.

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u/Mutex70 Sep 18 '26

His lips were moving.

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u/zeradragon Sep 18 '26

Or Joe Rogan is saying he's been fucking nuts his entire life...

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u/MonkeyLiberace Sep 18 '26

He is some sort of libertarian. Small government and prone to conspiracy theories. He thinks supporting legal cannabis makes him a lefty.

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u/alwayscursingAoE4 Sep 18 '26

Joe Rogan has been on the microphone for how many years now. Can't an AI tool digest all that content (omg I feel bad for the AI) and point out discrepancies with timestamps?

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u/The_Autarch Sep 18 '26

i believe that he believes that he's telling the truth. and he did actually sound like a leftist 20 years ago...

dude got frog-boiled into becoming a fascist.

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u/stupidcommentmaker Sep 18 '26

I don't believe a word he's saying BUT, to be optimistic, maybe his followers will and start opening their minds to more progressive views.

One can only hope...

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