r/memes • • 9h ago

Just... ask for more money?

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u/LiveIngenuitygirl 9h ago

Right? Like, set your price properly instead of making me guess the tip algorithm.

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u/davidwoodstock 9h ago

I’m not tipping for a tattoo, it’s an agreed upon price that they set.

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u/party_shaman 8h ago

i tip my artist cause i want her to make more than her split with the shop. she quotes me a cheap price knowing that i'll give her extra that she can keep. 

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u/maximumtesticle 8h ago

Maybe she needs to have one conversation with her shop, instead of every customer?

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u/PhillipNoMates 8h ago

That is how shops work though. There is a split between the artist and the shop to pay for the artists booth.

Yes you can try to negotiate rates and splits, but that comes with time, and many old school shops aren't negotiating shit.

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u/tpolakov1 7h ago

...many old school shops aren't negotiating shit.

Well, now that we're in the 20th century, neither are the clients. We decided to go for the service based on the advertised price. Your tax evasion schemes are not my problem.

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u/PhillipNoMates 7h ago

This is a tattoo, there isn't an advertised price (unless it's like a holiday flash sale).

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u/tpolakov1 7h ago

Many shops around advertise at leasts rough prices. And even if they don't, you agree on the price before you start.

Or are you telling me that you think it's normal to render (expensive) services based on a "we'll figure it out later" agreement? Because if that's the case, it's not the tipping culture isn't the problem. It's that there are no competent adults involved in the process.

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u/William_Wang 7h ago

The only shops advertising fixed prices are the ones doing cookie cutter tattoos.

Every tattoo artist doing a custom piece is going to give you a custom price.

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u/tpolakov1 6h ago

That's what I mean. You know the price before the work starts. If you don't, then you deserve to taken advantage off.

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u/William_Wang 5h ago

If you don't, then you deserve to taken advantage off.

This is why I can never trust a mechanic.

Why would you think someone deserves to be taken advantage of because they trust you aren't going to fuck them once you've completed a job.

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u/tpolakov1 5h ago

Mostly because trust in a stranger that's providing goods or services goes only as far as my legal means to get them. It's not even that I assume ill intent. For all I know the other party might just not be qualified enough to gauge how long or how much it takes. I know what I need and I know how much I can afford, if you tell me half-way through that you think it might cost more, we're in deep shit.

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u/br4nfl4k3s 5h ago

Na. My tattoo artist charges $250 an hour. I have a rough idea of how much time it’ll take. I tell my artist how much I’m willing to spend. She adjusts the time she says it took accordingly. I pay her the price I said I could pay and she gets her tip out of that.

As with everything, it’s nuanced and the reality of what happens is somewhere in between both sides of the argument taking place here.

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u/Cantor_Set_Tripping 2m ago

You know the hourly rate, not necessarily the exact amount of time it will take. If my artist says it should be two hours I have a rough estimate, but what if the spot they are doing is more painful than expected and it takes longer? Do I then take advantage of them and say “doesn’t matter if it took 3.5 hours, I’m only paying for 3”?

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u/PhillipNoMates 7h ago edited 7h ago

I've been to many tattoo shops, I've never seen a price advertised (outside of flash on a wall).

They might say "Shop minimum $80", but anything after that is up to the artist to decide what they charge.

I've got around 20 tattoos, I'd say half of them I didn't even ask a price before we finished. I go to shops with professionals and I have always trusted their price. I know the ball park of how much it's going to cost when I go in, sometimes I lowball it sometimes I overshoot it, but it's always in the range.

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u/Revolver_Boxelot 6h ago

Then just tell the customer how much the tattoo is. Yall doing all this because you dont have the balls to do it with your boss. But the customer is the problem right? Lol kick rocks bro. That tipping shit is super played out.

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u/PhillipNoMates 6h ago

I'm not a tattoo artist so I don't know why you are talking to me like that

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u/thegapbetweenus 7h ago

Have some human interactions? Nah fuck that.

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u/tpolakov1 6h ago

If I'm paying you, you can be pretty sure that I'm around to carry out my business, not make friends.

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u/thegapbetweenus 5h ago

You can be social with people - wild concept for basement folk.

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u/tpolakov1 5h ago

I can. But not when I'm at a place to do my business. I have things to do and places to be, none of those include small talk with a random stranger.

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u/thegapbetweenus 5h ago

I would say that your tattoo artist is not a random stranger.

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u/tpolakov1 5h ago

I'm talking in general, not just tattoo shops. And even there, they are no less of a stranger than anyone else offering services. I spent more time with my doctor and I definitely wouldn't call them anything else than a random stranger.

If you feel lonely and want to make friends, knock yourself out. Might as well just give them money and call it a tip if it makes you feel any better. But most people want to go around their business, not be bothered by some para-social freaks bothering them in public spaces or losing their shit if they don't get free money.

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u/secretman2therescue 7h ago

So let's just....continue to prop up that system I guess

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u/Technical_Bite_9536 7h ago

Well yea. Unless the artist wants to pay the bills to set up their own shop, they have to pay to use the shop. Which is splitting income

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u/Revolver_Boxelot 6h ago

So the boss shouldn't take a hit because...thats just the way things are done lol. And the tattoo artist shouldn't take a hit because they need money. So the customer should take the hit because fuck em. I guess its a good thing no one needs a tattoo. Fuck that anti-consumer bullshit.

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u/Technical_Bite_9536 6h ago

Go start a business and let your employees earn money while you earn nothing.

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u/Revolver_Boxelot 6h ago

If you cant start a business and afford to pay your employees a livable wage then you dont need to start a business.

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u/Technical_Bite_9536 6h ago

Awh you wanna throw a restaurant saying into this?

If only tattoos and restaurants had literally anything in common. Your statement only tells me you've never been inside a tattoo shop

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u/Revolver_Boxelot 6h ago

They do have something in common. The expectation for the customer to tip employees.

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u/PhillipNoMates 7h ago

The real solution is for the artist to increase their price to a point where they don't need a tip.

This is how countries without tipping goes. The artist sets the value of the tattoo at the value they wish to be paid for their time.

Changing splits will have nothing to do with that. All countries have to deal with splits.

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u/wonklebobb 6h ago

it's just the cost of using shared infrastructure

when the chairs break, the artists dont pay to fix them, the stop does

ditto for lights, windows, POS systems, cleaning supplies, plumbing, etc

its the same for e.g. hairdressers. they pay a fixed rate per week or month for their chair in the salon, or a % of their income. and in return the salon maintains the building they use and usually does advertising/etc as well. ofc hairdressers can also advertise themselves and try to bring in more clients on their own, which they do, and which is good for everybody.

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u/goodoldgrim 7h ago

Sounds like something that can still be negotiated ahead of time. "Tattoo can be 350, or just 300 if you pay cash and don't look at the receipt too closely"

Used to be a thing with plenty of businesses around here.

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u/PhillipNoMates 7h ago

This all depends. I know many tattoo shops where the artist doesn't touch the cash at all, the head of the shop does. And if the artist takes the tip directly, that can cause issues, because of the splits.

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u/Fundevin 6h ago

Lot of non-tattooers in this thread. They have no idea how this works, they think it's just like any other W-2 job lmfao.

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u/party_shaman 8h ago

nah it was my idea

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u/Destructopoo 8h ago

Then you have to pay taxes on it 

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u/uhhmod 8h ago

God forbid they pay taxes like everyone else

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u/rartedewok 7h ago

genuine question from a non-tipping culture, if they're setting their own prices, why not make your price high enough such that the split is sufficient?

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey 7h ago

That sounds like fraud

If I'm a shop owner with a fixed percentage of revenue sharing and I find out that a tenant is lowballing their prices but taking tips on the side I'm suing, kicking them out, or adjusting my agreement to take a portion of 'tips' because what they're doing is flagrantly violating our business agreement. You don't do business with people that lie to you.

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u/party_shaman 5h ago

the shop sets a shop minimum. other than that, pricing is up to the artist. she could tattoo my entire back for $100 and as long as she gave the shop half, that would be well within her rights. 

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u/14Pleiadians 7h ago

That's stupid of her to do because some of us expect her to be an adult capable of asking for the right amount of money