r/memes • • 9h ago

Just... ask for more money?

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u/LiveIngenuitygirl 9h ago

Right? Like, set your price properly instead of making me guess the tip algorithm.

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u/davidwoodstock 9h ago

I’m not tipping for a tattoo, it’s an agreed upon price that they set.

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u/StretchLoud8844 8h ago

Got into an argument about this with a friend a few years back, I don't have any tattoos and this concept floored me.

It's literally a set, defined, unmoving price point that they can choose. "But I want to pay them fairly"

Ok, part of being a working adult is valuing your time and work accurately, therefore you charge appropriately. If you charge 200$ for a tattoo, and 100$ for your time, just say it's 300$

Do not ask the person to pay 200$ in the hopes that they will tip you 100$.

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u/ItsDanimal 6h ago

My wife worked as a server for a long time and she is adamant about tipping servers, our housekeeper, or anyone else she deems has a "struggle" job. But our landscaper, mail person, plumber garage truck drivers, get the payment they asked for.

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u/porktorque44 3h ago

Generally I only tip servers because businesses can legally get away with paying them 3 dollars an hour.

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u/DrTiddyNipples 35m ago

Only in certain states. In CA, they get paid hourly plus tips.

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u/BasedGodTheGoatLilB 7h ago

Yea but there is "The World Of Should" that you're talking about, and then there's "The World Of Is" that we all actually live in. Whatever people "should" do or say is irrelevant if it's not actually how human beings behave, which we behave irrationally quite often about many things.

If the expected rules of engagement with this tattoo tipping culture don't make sense to you, that's totally fine! But if you're interested in a certain outcome, then it really doesn't matter what makes sense, your best bet is to take the action that will truly give you the desired result.

I have a full sleeve that took maybe 8 sessions to complete. I had my artist make 24 full page sketches of original art based on inspiration I gave, we selected our favorite 9 and that's what turned into the stencils. What I wanted is for my artist to think, "Wow this person is generously tipping, so I'm gonna try my absolute hardest to make my best possible work ever, and really take great care to make this sleeve my best artwork yet." So I tipped $100/session.

I don't really care if I should or shouldn't have to do that, or if the artist's result should be identical regardless of tip. Based on how human beings work, if my goal was to get the most beautiful sleeve done which is gonna last my entire life, I'm gonna abide by the rules of engagement regardless of my personal take on them.

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u/FlyingOctopus53 6h ago

Is there a book with those "rules of engagement" somewhere?

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u/longtimegoneMTGO 6h ago

No, because the majority of non neurodivergent people seem to just intuitively pick them up and understand them on some level.

I say this as someone who has had to figure them out via the much more tedious direct data collection route.

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u/Emergency_Revenue678 15m ago

It's called being observant and recognizing patterns, not intuition.

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u/pimfi 6h ago

Yes, they are called the Rules of Acquisition.

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u/wonklebobb 6h ago

cant you just ask them what they expect as a tip and can they just give that quote instead? or would that be offensive or something? idk i have one small tattoo from a billion years ago so idk the culture

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u/i_want_internet_69 5h ago

I had my artist make 24 full page sketches of original art based on inspiration I gave, we selected our favorite 9 and that's what turned into the stencils.

Alright dude, clearly OP and everyone else aren't talking about this exceptional princely treatment that you're describing, lmao. What you're describing sounds utterly above and beyond (correct me if I'm wrong). In your case, I think a tip was appropriate.

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u/Atomsq 6h ago

And there is the world of whatever I won't participate in that nonsense

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u/Large_Yams 1h ago

Don't lump the world into your stupid American rules.

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u/BasedGodTheGoatLilB 1h ago

Hey it's not my world, not my rules. I don't make em nor am I saying I like em. I'm not lumping anyone into anything. My only point is that in order to achieve the best outcome for a situation that involves other human beings, one would do well to expect people to behave like human beings and act in alignment with that. Humans from different cultures will not behave the same, so adjusting accordingly would be a good idea.

I'm not sure what you thought I was trying to communicate with my comment, because yours really doesn't make sense in response.

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u/ImmaLiveIllegal 6h ago

do you tip at the barber?

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u/ericscal 6h ago

This just goes back to the origin of tipping, before it just became you paying employees wages in lieu of the business. Since it's art that is rather permanent while yes you pay for a dragon on your arm for $200 there is a wide range of how well they actually do the job. So it would be customary to tip if they do a really good job, because you're happy to not have a mediocre tattoo on you forever. Same goes for tipping barbers and stylists, you don't have a goofy haircut for a few weeks.

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u/rsvpism1 2h ago

I'll say I generally agree the expectation of a tip for a tattoo is silly. especially for quick tattoos that are something of a stock image or "flash." I feel it's silly to expect a tip. But if the artist charges the same hourly for custom or stock I understand paying for the prep they put into it. Even if I feel that should be baked into the price.

However really good tattoo artists are often busy and may no be available. One of my past artists now only does work for previous customers because he can't fit in anyone in. So as a consumer that would like to be prioritized, tipping is a way to be kept top of mind. Which is probably where tip culture comes in and now why it's the norm.

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u/psuedophilosopher 6h ago

In general I'd agree, but I will admit that right now there is an actually significant thing that makes a real difference in the situation. Tips are taxed differently now. Depending on just how much a person earns through tips, the money is either tax free, or otherwise significantly lower taxed income than regular pay. Still, I'd want to negotiate the total price after tip before services rendered dependant upon quality work being delivered and let them fudge the numbers however they want to make whatever percentage of the total be "tip" vs regular price. Definitely not in favor of the coy game of trying to guess an appropriate amount to tip to not leave the artist hating me.

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u/SmartAlec105 4h ago

There's a subjectivity to the quality of a tattoo and you can't know the exact outcome until the tattoo is finished. The tip reflects that final portion.

Think of it like how a job might have performance bonuses.

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u/whooptheretis 6h ago

It's literally a set, defined, unmoving price point that they can choose.

Like on a menu, in restaurants.

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u/iusedtohavepowers 6h ago

It kinda isn’t though. I mean smaller pieces sure.

But a set defined and allocated price point for a full back piece that you can only estimate the timing on or number of sessions isn’t easy. They do it. But in those cases wouldn’t you think if you sat for multiple hours possibly over multiple days that the amount of work you were getting would denote a tip to the person laboring over you?

People here seem so weirdly against this. But man tattos can take a long time and go wrong so frequently in the process. If someone is spending loads of time on your body is that not worth a few extra bucks?

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u/rodrigo28fabri 6h ago

no, that's what the price is for

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u/Sjroap 6h ago

But a set defined and allocated price point for a full back piece that you can only estimate the timing on or number of sessions isn’t easy.

You can handle a flat sum or negotiate like an adult: "Look, that tattoo is a lot of work. It expect that it takes x to y amount of hours for a z hourly rate. Could be a couple more because I want to do it well so I'm not going to rush it."

But in those cases wouldn’t you think if you sat for multiple hours possibly over multiple days that the amount of work you were getting would denote a tip to the person laboring over you?

Not really, I spent multiple days in a row for my boss in the lab and nobody is tipping my ass.

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u/LewdDarling 4h ago

This is the same challenges that a ton of jobs face though. I don't tip my contractor despite them laboring over my house for days and things going wrong. An experienced tattoo artist should just take all that into account and set their prices accordingly.

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u/AstonishF076 8h ago

Yeah it's not a restaurant

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u/Mosselpot 8h ago

So is a restaurant...

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u/IWantMoreSnow 8h ago

Woooosh

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u/clap9send5north 4h ago

You shouldn't tip at restaurants either.

The only way to end tipping culture is to stop tipping.

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u/a-pp-o 7h ago

so you rather tip someone who managed to bring you the food which you ordered and not even made it instead someone who made something that sticks to your body for the rest of your life?

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u/Smooth_One 7h ago

Both are dumb.

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u/a-pp-o 6h ago

idk, especially when its something like art and i really like the result. i wouldnt have an issue to tip. i even give the person who cuts my hair a tip when i like the result.

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u/HANDS-DOWN 6h ago

I would rather tip a cow lmao

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u/party_shaman 8h ago

i tip my artist cause i want her to make more than her split with the shop. she quotes me a cheap price knowing that i'll give her extra that she can keep. 

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u/maximumtesticle 8h ago

Maybe she needs to have one conversation with her shop, instead of every customer?

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u/PhillipNoMates 8h ago

That is how shops work though. There is a split between the artist and the shop to pay for the artists booth.

Yes you can try to negotiate rates and splits, but that comes with time, and many old school shops aren't negotiating shit.

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u/tpolakov1 7h ago

...many old school shops aren't negotiating shit.

Well, now that we're in the 20th century, neither are the clients. We decided to go for the service based on the advertised price. Your tax evasion schemes are not my problem.

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u/PhillipNoMates 7h ago

This is a tattoo, there isn't an advertised price (unless it's like a holiday flash sale).

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u/tpolakov1 7h ago

Many shops around advertise at leasts rough prices. And even if they don't, you agree on the price before you start.

Or are you telling me that you think it's normal to render (expensive) services based on a "we'll figure it out later" agreement? Because if that's the case, it's not the tipping culture isn't the problem. It's that there are no competent adults involved in the process.

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u/William_Wang 7h ago

The only shops advertising fixed prices are the ones doing cookie cutter tattoos.

Every tattoo artist doing a custom piece is going to give you a custom price.

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u/tpolakov1 6h ago

That's what I mean. You know the price before the work starts. If you don't, then you deserve to taken advantage off.

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u/PhillipNoMates 7h ago edited 7h ago

I've been to many tattoo shops, I've never seen a price advertised (outside of flash on a wall).

They might say "Shop minimum $80", but anything after that is up to the artist to decide what they charge.

I've got around 20 tattoos, I'd say half of them I didn't even ask a price before we finished. I go to shops with professionals and I have always trusted their price. I know the ball park of how much it's going to cost when I go in, sometimes I lowball it sometimes I overshoot it, but it's always in the range.

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u/Revolver_Boxelot 6h ago

Then just tell the customer how much the tattoo is. Yall doing all this because you dont have the balls to do it with your boss. But the customer is the problem right? Lol kick rocks bro. That tipping shit is super played out.

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u/PhillipNoMates 6h ago

I'm not a tattoo artist so I don't know why you are talking to me like that

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u/thegapbetweenus 7h ago

Have some human interactions? Nah fuck that.

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u/tpolakov1 6h ago

If I'm paying you, you can be pretty sure that I'm around to carry out my business, not make friends.

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u/thegapbetweenus 5h ago

You can be social with people - wild concept for basement folk.

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u/tpolakov1 5h ago

I can. But not when I'm at a place to do my business. I have things to do and places to be, none of those include small talk with a random stranger.

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u/secretman2therescue 7h ago

So let's just....continue to prop up that system I guess

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u/Technical_Bite_9536 7h ago

Well yea. Unless the artist wants to pay the bills to set up their own shop, they have to pay to use the shop. Which is splitting income

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u/Revolver_Boxelot 6h ago

So the boss shouldn't take a hit because...thats just the way things are done lol. And the tattoo artist shouldn't take a hit because they need money. So the customer should take the hit because fuck em. I guess its a good thing no one needs a tattoo. Fuck that anti-consumer bullshit.

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u/Technical_Bite_9536 6h ago

Go start a business and let your employees earn money while you earn nothing.

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u/Revolver_Boxelot 6h ago

If you cant start a business and afford to pay your employees a livable wage then you dont need to start a business.

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u/PhillipNoMates 7h ago

The real solution is for the artist to increase their price to a point where they don't need a tip.

This is how countries without tipping goes. The artist sets the value of the tattoo at the value they wish to be paid for their time.

Changing splits will have nothing to do with that. All countries have to deal with splits.

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u/wonklebobb 6h ago

it's just the cost of using shared infrastructure

when the chairs break, the artists dont pay to fix them, the stop does

ditto for lights, windows, POS systems, cleaning supplies, plumbing, etc

its the same for e.g. hairdressers. they pay a fixed rate per week or month for their chair in the salon, or a % of their income. and in return the salon maintains the building they use and usually does advertising/etc as well. ofc hairdressers can also advertise themselves and try to bring in more clients on their own, which they do, and which is good for everybody.

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u/goodoldgrim 7h ago

Sounds like something that can still be negotiated ahead of time. "Tattoo can be 350, or just 300 if you pay cash and don't look at the receipt too closely"

Used to be a thing with plenty of businesses around here.

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u/PhillipNoMates 7h ago

This all depends. I know many tattoo shops where the artist doesn't touch the cash at all, the head of the shop does. And if the artist takes the tip directly, that can cause issues, because of the splits.

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u/Fundevin 6h ago

Lot of non-tattooers in this thread. They have no idea how this works, they think it's just like any other W-2 job lmfao.

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u/party_shaman 8h ago

nah it was my idea

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u/Destructopoo 8h ago

Then you have to pay taxes on it 

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u/uhhmod 8h ago

God forbid they pay taxes like everyone else

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u/rartedewok 7h ago

genuine question from a non-tipping culture, if they're setting their own prices, why not make your price high enough such that the split is sufficient?

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey 7h ago

That sounds like fraud

If I'm a shop owner with a fixed percentage of revenue sharing and I find out that a tenant is lowballing their prices but taking tips on the side I'm suing, kicking them out, or adjusting my agreement to take a portion of 'tips' because what they're doing is flagrantly violating our business agreement. You don't do business with people that lie to you.

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u/party_shaman 5h ago

the shop sets a shop minimum. other than that, pricing is up to the artist. she could tattoo my entire back for $100 and as long as she gave the shop half, that would be well within her rights. 

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u/14Pleiadians 7h ago

That's stupid of her to do because some of us expect her to be an adult capable of asking for the right amount of money

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u/machogrande2 8h ago

If anyone deserves a tip, it's if someone comes up with the art from scratch from a description and they blew away expectations. If you can take an idea I have floating around in my head and come up with art that is significantly better than I thought it would be, you've created something more valuable than I initially thought I would get.

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u/alucarddrol 7h ago

in china they bribe their doctors for better treatment

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u/Mourning__Coffee 8h ago

I feel like this comment is indicative of the fact that reddit doesn't actually know what a tip is.

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u/pineapplecom 8h ago

Do you tip your contractor?

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u/Mourning__Coffee 8h ago

If I feel like it.

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u/SkepticJoker 8h ago

Reddit talking about tipping reminds me of Dwight talking about tipping.

“Why would I tip someone for a job I could do?

I do tip my urologist.”

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u/Diedead666 6h ago

arnt tats normally kinda pricey in first place?

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u/Numeno230n 6h ago

For some people, a tattoo is just a business transaction. Just money for a service, period. Other people get REALLY into tattoo, so much so that they try to develop a relationship with the tattoo artist/shop and be friends. They want it to be an intimate, personal thing. They want a little private relationship with the artist and then obviously feel the need to tip. Now some artists feel that exact way back and expect a tip. Some artists are probably like fuck you we're not friends, just give me the money I asked for and stop hanging around unless you buy something.

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u/whooptheretis 6h ago

Same with restaurants.

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u/DoinItDirty 8h ago

Tipping is a good way to get a lower estimate for better work. My entire leg was hourly minimum on a split with the shop because I tipped 100%. You’re not just tipping, you’re working shop fee against extra for your artist.

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u/BooHorde 8h ago

it’s an agreed upon price that they set.

So is every other service that accepts tips, you really ate with this comment.

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u/ToXiiCBULLET 8h ago

so are a shit ton of services where tipping isn't remotely normal or just doesn't exist. i wouldn't tip a mechanic, electrician, an artist that does commissions (non tattoo related), etc

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u/BooHorde 7h ago

so are a shit ton of services where tipping isn't remotely normal or just doesn't exist.

And how is that relevant to my reply?

I am simply pointing out that "it’s an agreed upon price that they set." applies to every other service people tip for. The comment itself is pointless.

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u/ToXiiCBULLET 7h ago

no it doesn't. you think waiters set food prices and their pay?

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u/BooHorde 7h ago edited 6h ago

I'm not getting tattoed in someones home, I'm going to a shop. If you want to be pedantic about it there are several factors in every industry that affect compensation and tip distribution. For all I know the shop they work at set their rates, it's extremely common for high volume and chain shops to have flat rates accross the board. On that same note for all I know the person waiting me owns the resturant. I eat out at small locally owned establishments all the time, I don't generally ask if the person who served me has ownership in the business before I hit the tip button.

At the end of the day every service you paid for is an agreed upon price, whether you're paying an independant contractor or an employee, theres an inherent implication that the person agreed to their compensation which is included into the price you agreed to pay for the service. Tiping culture is completely ambiguous, "you set the price" is irrelevant and applies to everything.

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u/cannaco19 9h ago

My tattoo artist has explicitly told my wife and I not to tip them because they do precisely that.

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u/FiddleThruTheFlowers 8h ago

All artists I've gone to have done the same. I've never had an artist balk at getting what they asked for, because that's the price that they decided is fair. All the comments about "my guy was offended at 20%" or whatever are bonkers to me.

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u/Conformatrix 8h ago

I tell my clients that they don't have to tip because I set my own prices, I never want them to think it's obligatory. I make this very explicit.

I also tell them that I'm not gonna turn down free money if they feel like giving me some.

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u/RealisticTopic1171 8h ago

Might also be a your wife thing.

High five dawg 👋

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u/Lord_Emperor 8h ago

Sole proprietors should actually be insulted by tipping. It's like suggesting they lack the common business sense to set the correct price on their service.

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u/madroxide86 6h ago edited 6h ago

they do price properly, most tattoo artists that i've recently looked into charge between 250 and 400$ an hour. Thats a mindblowing rate as is, ~2k a day minimum assuming you booked 8 hours. Lets assume they only work part time doing 20 hours a week, thats 240k a year before tax and fees like rent, bout 5k a year on supplies etc. Tell me why they need a tip on top of that?

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u/FireDevil11 6h ago

Set price for $1000, you now pay tax on $1000. Set price for $900 get tipped $100 you now pay tax on $900.

"Oh but you have to pay on tax on tips". Not if you don't declare (all of)them

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u/akatherder 7h ago

Cool point, still a bot.

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u/cheapMaltLiqour 8h ago

Idk i hate tipping culture as much as the next guy but it always made sense with tattoos since arts subjective (especially if your sitting down before finding perfect measurements and alterations) not tipping is saying "its not up to my expectations/standards, im not coming back and im not paying full price for it".

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u/DGwar 8h ago

"Not paying full price for it" mf they set the price.

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u/BrownBear5090 8h ago

Not tipping isn’t refusing to pay full price

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u/curioushobbyist_ 8h ago

Disagree, the price before tipping SHOULD be full price. Why would an artist price their work below what they actually want in hopes that a customer might tip them? That's a high risk

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u/cheapMaltLiqour 6h ago

Idk that's just the logic I've heard from a couple. The hours of them drawing the stencil and getting tattooed you can always bring it up, get to know the person, ask them questions like why it costs so much, what kinda tattoos do you like doing, what's up with tipping? Etc. Id say like 80% of my tattoos have been free so i don't really mind tipping

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u/dougdougofdoug 8h ago

and im not paying full price for it

You're quite literally paying full price for it.

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u/SEND_ME_SPIDERMAN 6h ago

Full price is the price that they ask for. A tip is more than the full price.

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u/evil_disco_x 8h ago

Idk I don’t really think it makes sense to tip on a tattoo before it’s healed.