r/TopCharacterTropes • • 7h ago

Characters POC people switching from straight hair to textured hair

Luz and Camila - The Owl House, starting from season 3

Libby - Jimmy Neutron, starting from the episode "Beach Party Mummy"

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u/rapid-form_ 7h ago

Connie in Steven Universe. Her hair goes from a fairly straight style to a shorter, noticeably wavier cut by Future. Such a small design change, but it really helps her look like she’s grown into herself.

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u/ParticularWeak4543 7h ago

She changed her haircut in Season 5, but yeah, agreed.

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u/polystarlight 7h ago

Grace from Infinity Train, here you can see her sitting next to her younger self with straight hair. I think this was a more underrated POC character who gets more textured hair, especially for the symbolism. Grace had straight hair as a kid when she grew up in a wealthy but neglectful household with influential parents who cared about what other people think of them. Her hairstyle feels more herself after she's already on the train and is finally away from her parents.

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u/freehalas 6h ago

I also think there could be some additional context with Grace being a ballerina. Ballet is notorious for being very controlling of appearance, especially towards black girls. I totally could see her straight hair in the flashback as a sign of the pressure Grace felt to ‘fit in’ with the other girls. (also great comment, Infinity Train is super underrated)

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u/Dr_Robo 7h ago

"Person of color people." Needs some better wording.

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u/FlamingWings 3h ago

OP laughs evilly as they add the “hates troupe” tag to the post

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u/[deleted] 7h ago

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u/AwkwardlyAmpora 7h ago

genuine question- what term do you think is better?

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u/mushroomwig 6h ago

In the UK we just say black British

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u/AwkwardlyAmpora 6h ago

does that apply to any race? we do call black people black, but "people of color" is a catch-all for any race that isn't white over here

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u/ShoulderGreedy3262 6h ago

you can just say non white people or racial minorities. poc is gaining more popularity here too, but we dont tend to talk much about poc as a whole, theres more discussion about individual struggles for each group.

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u/SheerKhann 6h ago

Yall do a lot of questionable shit there, then try to blame Americans for what they do

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u/[deleted] 6h ago

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u/AwkwardlyAmpora 6h ago

i'm not saying it's invalid, apologies! i was genuinely curious. i think it's an interesting perspective, but i can't quite wrap my head around a term that would refer to racial minorities without defining them by a separation from whiteness, and was hoping i'd "get it" a bit more if i could hear one.

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u/Amazing_Working_6157 6h ago edited 6h ago

Black. It's not positive or negative.

Saying "person of color" is the same as say "colored person", just with an extra word, yet that's the one that's supposedly is offensive. I just avoid the new terminology bs and just say "black", or if they moved to the US from a country in Africa, I'll say"African American."

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u/AwkwardlyAmpora 6h ago

person of color refers to more than just black people, though?

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u/Amazing_Working_6157 6h ago

Depends where you're at. "Colored Person" would often times refer to black people, but it'd sometimes be used against Asians, Hispanics, Natives, or weirdly enough, Irish. It's close enough to be the same thing.

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u/Aromatic-Pass4384 6h ago

White people are the majority and benefit from the oppression of other races....

So the term does have utility

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u/Pointless_Glitter607 2h ago edited 2h ago

White people only make up about 17% of the human population. The term minority only depends on where you are geographically. If a white person went to Taiwan, they’d be a minority there, and if I left the US and went to Belize, I would no longer be classified as a minority because most of the people living there would look like me. Using the term “minority” to refer to all POC is honestly so stupid and part of the reason why whiteness is seen as the default. yall are not the damn majority. just say “people of color”. it’s not that hard.

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u/Aromatic-Pass4384 2h ago

Uh ok...

I didn't use the term minority to refer to all people of color and the discussion at hand seemed US centric to me

Also I'm literally defending the use of the term people of color????? So like what the fuck are you talking about???

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u/ill_polarbear 6h ago

Would you rather we be referred as non-whites

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u/Interesting_Start633 6h ago

only if we call then non-poc

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u/Flat-Cap-1063 7h ago edited 6h ago

The Jimmy Neutron one makes more sense for a technical reason than the first one which I presume was a creator's revising of the characters. 3D animation was still in a very juvenile stage and had higher production costs, especially on a television show budget. Lots of detail had to be cut for budgetary reasons. It doesn't seem like much from a 2020's POV, but that level of detail with Libby's braids would have cost a lot in rendering time and ballooned the budget.

Thankfully, as the technology quickly got better and more affordable they could better approach the original vision.

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u/Crazy_System8248 4h ago

I also seem to recall Jimmy Neutron being the redheaded step child of Nickelodeon's studio. Like where artists went when they passed someone off or whatever.

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u/FloatinBrownie 3h ago

The shrek of nickelodeon

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u/RonitSarangi 7h ago

Similar but not exactly what the post is about.

Jonah from the Tomb Raider trilogy has the hair progression from left to right in chronological order. The middle one with the afro looks so different, I almost didn't recognize him till Lara says his name.

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u/toonboy01 6h ago

I also didn't recognize him at all until she said his name, and I played the first 2 games back to back lol

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u/DropoutRedMage 6h ago

Bro loses so much from the middle. He looks so cool on the left and right.

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u/SheerKhann 6h ago

Of course you would fucking say that shit. Anything that’s no where near blackness, right? Right???

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u/RonitSarangi 6h ago

His full name is Jonah Maiava, he was born in NZ but raised in Hawaii. He's supposed to represent a mish mash of Polynesian cultures. 

Here is a reply that explains it much better than I can,

https://www.reddit.com/r/TombRaider/comments/x3iwfw/comment/imqjgqt

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u/DropoutRedMage 5h ago

... No? He looks badass on the left, like he's ready to kick some ass. Right makes him feel like a rugged survivalist type. Never got to that game so I can't see it in motion.

Middle looks like some guys I've worked with at the factory. Like yeah sure they were big guys, but they don't have the sheer aura he had in the other two.

Sometimes an afro can look cool, he just can't pull it off IMO.

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u/FloatinBrownie 3h ago

Hes not even black

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u/MushroomPatriot 7h ago

Idk if this is really a trope but its good for children's shows to have natural hair especially for girls with kinky hair

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u/JustCheezits 7h ago edited 7h ago

Afros and textured hair have often been shown as “messy hair” on white characters, even in modern cartoons (e.g. Raquelle in Barbie: Life in the Dreamhouse). Few people have 100% straight hair (as in not wavy), and having healthy textured hair representation is very important for children

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u/Rivers9999 6h ago

That one Winx Club episode 😬

Season 1, Episode 12: "Miss Magix".

In the original Italian and CineLumière/Rainbow versions, a character's hair is magically transformed into a large afro-style or jelly-like puff, causing her distress and leading to negative reactions, while the 4Kids English dub altered the scene so the character panics over her voice changing instead.

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u/crimsonnfucker 6h ago

absolutely BRUTAL. The crying spunded so legit and lasted until after she was offscreen I swear. This made me feel REAL weird everytime winx came on after than. Pushed me to W.I.T.C.H

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u/GoddessKillion 4h ago

Seeing that as a young black girl was so disheartening lol. Especially since Aisha was my favorite.

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u/CapMoonshine 4h ago

Never watched the show but she lowkey looks better like that. I know 70s afros weren't "in" in the 2000s but it would've been cool if she rocked it.

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u/MushroomPatriot 7h ago

No a lot of people have 100 percent straight hair actually I think a plurality do but yes almost no black people have straight hair so blaxk characters shouldn't most of the time

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u/TheAsianTroll 6h ago

To be fair, Libby was pretty big into fashion. It stands to reason that she would go through phases where she straightened her hair, or just braided it

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u/PowerfulBroccoli2391 6h ago

And in this instance, she changed her hair as a direct result of learning she had Egyptian ancestry in that episode. Which started a self discovery arc for her character.

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u/omyomo 5h ago

Sheen actually braided it! He asked to in one episode and it stayed like that

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u/Napalmeon 4h ago

And Jimmy is the one who suggested it to begin with.

The reason it worked in this particular situation is because it was done to literally place Libby in a position of power that saved the group and she ended up liking the look so much that she kept it for the rest of the series.

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u/mr_wheezr 5h ago

They did the reverse for Dora's parents. They looked perfect before, now they look like a white couple from the suburbs with dark skin.

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u/goteachyourself 4h ago

Those are just completely different characters. Dad's age got straight-up cut in half.

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u/orangeken15 4h ago

and also lightskinned

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u/GuyMakesDrawings 4h ago

Their heads look weird, they were hotter before.

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u/Rocazanova 4h ago

What’s wrong with latino people with straight hair? Our ancestors had straight hair, you know?

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u/mr_wheezr 4h ago

Latinos can also be light skinned, that wouldn't justify making them white latinos

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u/Platinumprogram 6h ago

Man Libby was such a glow up

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u/Vonnegutsman 7h ago

Not sure if trope or evolution of art style? But I don't mind it. I have some OCs who went from straight-ish hair to wavey or coifed hairstyles.

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u/mashonem 6h ago

For Libby, I remember reading that the artists for the show weren’t good enough with the technology for the characters when the show first started, then changed her hair when they felt they could do it justice

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u/Ordo_Liberal 6h ago

I like how they made an entire episode to explain the change.

She disguised herself as Cleopatra to control mumies and save her friends, and she kinda liked the new look.

I dont know why, but I remenber a LOT of plots from this show from 20 years ago. I think its the unique animation style that burned itself into my brain.

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u/hacelepues 7h ago

In Luz’s case she literally just grew her hair out. I’m Latina, have a similar hair texture to her. It is “straight” and unruly as a pixie but starts to get wavier the longer it grows.

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u/TheyCallMeSuperboy 6h ago

I don’t think that’s completely true. Look at her mom’s hair in both scenes. Her mom also has the exact same “pointed” hair as Luz does in s1, but in the later scene her hair is also curlier with rounded curls.

I do think it’s partially art style, partially choice by the writers.

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u/dragonborndnd 6h ago

Plus in one scene you can see a hair straightener in the trash

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u/ViviReine 6h ago

Since a large part of the story is about accepting themself, I would guess that Camilla was straightening her hair before, and now she doesn't because she accept more herself too

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u/RainingBats 6h ago

That is heavily implied to be the case. In a scene in I think s3ep1, there's a hair straightener in her trashcan 

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u/Twist_Ending03 2h ago

Yeah, we see a hair straightener in the trash in her room in s3ep1

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u/hacelepues 6h ago

Her moms hair was pulled up in a tight bun in the first image…

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u/TheyCallMeSuperboy 6h ago

Look at the points of her hair in the first image, and the points of her hair in the second. The first are pointy, and the second have a curl to them, the exact same way Luz’s do.

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u/hacelepues 6h ago

I stand corrected. It’s been years since I watched the show but I double checked there are moments in S1 where Camila has her hair down and it is straight.

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u/Twist_Ending03 2h ago

We don't see her with her hair down in season 1, but we do see her with her hair down in s2ep10

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u/thatoneguy54 6h ago

I'm not even latino and that's how my hair is. The longer it gets, the more wavy and curly it gets.

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u/pennielain 6h ago

Missy from Big Mouth went from slightly textured hair with a white VA to having more realistic hair with a POC VA

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u/Laura_Voss703 7h ago

This is basically me as I've gotten older😭

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u/Sonarthebat 3h ago

Grace from Infinity Train

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u/Twist_Ending03 2h ago

I love herrr

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u/Rocazanova 4h ago

Luz’s family is Latino and Latino people can have straight hair. Actually, is very common. Our ancestors had heavy straight hair. It was the Spaniards who brought the waves with them.

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u/deeply_unsettled_man 3h ago

I thought her dad was afro-latino?

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u/Rocazanova 22m ago

She has a latino last name and her mom is latina. So I think she’s 100% latina

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u/IonutRO 1h ago

She's lighter skinned than her mom. No way her dad was darker than her mom.

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u/Twist_Ending03 2h ago

Yeah but it seems like they have naturally curly hair, since, when we start to see them with curly hair, we can also see a hair straightener in the trash in Camila's room.

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u/Rocazanova 21m ago

Ah yeah, I mean, narratively is works. She has curly hair, but not because POC having curly hair by default like the post implies

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u/cowtag 2h ago

POC stands for people of color, saying “POC people” is redundant. you’re basically saying “people of color people”

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u/ChocolateCake16 5h ago

"People of color people"

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u/pichuguy27 6h ago

Real life me; how wavy my hair is is super weather dependent

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u/Pinkpunk95 7h ago

You mean “me” since I stopped getting perms

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u/SheerKhann 6h ago

Thank goodness

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u/Zorubark 5h ago

ATM machine

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u/DrHeartworm 2h ago

People of color people

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u/xelleseittaneu 2h ago

I might start using "person of color person" lol

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u/Khristafer 38m ago

Duolingo's Bea got a makeover. Original straight hair, then a natural updo.

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u/Napalmeon 7h ago

This isa trope?

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u/ProserpinaFC 6h ago

Most character design choices are done with intention in order to convey something to the audience. When characters get an afro when their hair is burnt or in an explosion is a character design choice. When a woman has her hair straightened as part of a beauty makeover that usually included just taking off her glasses and slapping on some lip color.

Likewise, redesigning a character to look more ethnic after receiving feedback is a design decision.

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u/MrBushido56 5h ago

Everything can be a trope if it happens more than once

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u/kenku_gilf 6h ago

No one said they couldn’t. That’s a different argument.

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u/Advice_Thingy 6h ago

Most people who want POC characters to show their natural hair want it because Straightened is a beauty standard which is forced upon many POC people, and the natural hair is often seen as "Wild", "chaotic" and "unkempt". People want to normalise natural hair and go away from that specific beauty standard.

It's never about forcing actual real humans to do things.

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u/immaownyou 6h ago

No, what's weird is that that's your interpretation of why people want it

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u/Interesting_Start633 6h ago

yea, nobody said otherwise, and they are also allowed to wear their natural hair, this kind of thing isn't prohibited, that was just the trope chosen

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u/JustCheezits 6h ago

People with textured hair don’t necessarily want to wear it straight