r/videos • u/AlertTangerine • 7h ago
Musk ordered Ukraine Starlink pause. GOP rep. promises 'consequences'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6m1gjt4MYQ428
u/NineClaws 6h ago
What if Lockheed Martin decided, on their own, to turn off a host of features of our F35 during a time of war to help Vladimir Putin.
This is pretty much the same. What if we found out they made deals with Putin to so do?
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u/JimiusRostock 5h ago
Not only that. The Germans were paying for the Starshield service the Ukrainians were using.
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u/Wyrade 6h ago
This is already how it's done pretty much, they just usually don't block the features/vehicles, because their goals align and get compensated enough.
Afaik many high tech military stuff like fighter jets and similar has DRM that has to be periodically unlocked from newly received codes from the "seller", so other countries are essentially just renting military tech, and they can just refuse to give the next code if they want a notable portion of that country's strength disabled.
Dependence is bad, but it's often cheaper than developing and manufacturing your own tech (assuming you even have the people that could develop it in a reasonable timeframe), so guess what people do.
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u/OTBS 3h ago
Thats not how foreign sales work. They get different versions of the airframe as in, technology is removed, not hidden behind a paywall.
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u/whatdoyoumeanusernam 6h ago
In a normal administration they'd be sued into oblivion and their company officers would be charged with treason.
But since this is Trump the three just continue to felate each other.
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u/I_argue_for_funsies 5h ago
How is THIS not considered a national security incident?
Every time the claim "national security" for an excuse but here, it's not a flaw it's a feature.
Nationalize the infrastructure you imbeciles.
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u/shockfuel 3h ago
It's due to his suit colour really.
Can do whatever they want as long as it's a black suit
Also they own the media
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u/thaisun 7h ago
Pretty fucked up that a private citizen can do that. It's time to nationalize it.
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u/creamyjoshy 6h ago
It's completely fucking insane is what it is.
Are America's allies going to have to worry about some oligarch cutting off their communications on a complete ketamine induced whim without any geopolitical calculus involved whatsoever? What about their F35s, their missile defense, their nuclear deterrents?
The whole world is up for sale
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u/tattlerat 6h ago
The military application of this tech and its functionality being held by one ridiculously wealthy person is akin to the power The East India Trading Company had at one point. More influence and power than many nations.
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u/MattinglyBaseball 5h ago
Elon and this administration are part of the same entity. From all he has and is donating for them, to his DOGE invasion, and the administration allowing this. Trump flipping on Ukraine and breaking Russian sanctions. It wouldn’t make a difference right now if the administration owned it. They are all to blame.
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u/kliff0rd 5h ago
The EIC was originally run by a board of directors, but was eventually brought under the absolute authority of the Board of Control. This Board was created by Act of Parliament and by law included a majority of ministers from the British government. So arguably Musk's control over his companies is much greater than any one person or interest's control over the EIC ever was.
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u/yowen2000 5h ago
is that what musk is doing, he won't stop till he reaches the power the VOC had? A company that essentially operated as its own sovereign state.
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u/Camburglar13 6h ago
Carney is already talking about getting rid of Starlink in Canada. Can’t be trusted.
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u/Fatso_Wombat 4h ago
I want the USA military out of Australia.
You're a bunch of dog cunts. Being an enemy of USA is safer than being an ally.
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u/particlemanwavegirl 5h ago
American allies? Who would that even be? Do you realize they've all been divesting since the first term? They'd be absolute fools to depend on us for anything.
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u/KTMee 5h ago
They're not gonna worry. With such serious matters you just cut the problem out of the loop if you have the capability.
Europe is already working on their own system.
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u/Jaccount 5h ago
Who know? Not me. I never lost control. You're face... to face.. with the man who sold the world.
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u/Mr-Safety 6h ago
Starshield is under pentagon control. Elon would be considered a private contractor, even as CEO. Tampering with a military system, especially deliberately sabotaging its military capabilities, would land any other contractor in jail. He would need a clear paper trail showing someone with authority actually signed off and approved the change.
An IT auditor would be capable of quickly looking up the requester and approvers for the change ticket.
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u/Falanin 4h ago
That just means that he can do it once. If the payoff is big enough, Mr. Contractor could just go for it and trust in his money and influence to let him skate by the consequences.
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u/xondk 7h ago
It is...yet I mean, look at the US healthcare industry and the like, not that much different.
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u/mikedave666 7h ago
The bajillionth proof we can't let these perverts be in charge of anything
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u/FrostyMittenJob 6h ago
Or they are just making him the fall guy? Do you actually trust anything the administration says?
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u/thaisun 6h ago
No, I don't. I also don't think for one second that Musk had any reservations about doing it either.
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u/ZombiesInSpace 5h ago
I think the important thing here is that musk can’t do this on his own since starshield is operated by the government. This reads to me like Elon ordered US officials to throttle Ukraine’s access. So the problem isn’t that Elon controls starlink, it’s that DoD official’s apparently take orders from Elon
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u/Gorstag 5h ago
Honestly, that is probably the best way to deal with Musk. Just nationalize tesla, starlink, and any other company he has tied up in that jumbled mess of reporting fraud.
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u/gamer_no 6h ago
Nationalize what exactly? The company's assets? Genuine question.
Edit: so the other comments below mention nationalizing the complete company based on the gov grants and contracts that the company currently holds.
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u/SillyAlternative420 3h ago
I've said this on so many threads but even more important than Starlink is Meta's WhatsApp. Like half the world is using this app for their primary form of communication - problematic for the same reason but the stakes a way high and the magnitude much larger.
No company should be in charge of basic utilities like internet and texting.
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u/RaverSMS 7h ago
From an outside perspective, it really doesnt matter if it was Musk or the Pedo. The important thing for other countries is: buying military tech from the US is not reliable and you dont get a straight answer why it failed.
They are basically ensuring that noone will buy US military tech in the future.
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u/SpankThuMonkey 6h ago
Musk or THE OTHER pedo.
Musk requested to attend Epstein’s island for “wild parties” in 2012. 4 years AFTER he had been convicted of child sex crimes.
Just because the other pedos didn’t think he was cool enough. Fuckers’ still a pedo in my book.
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u/Plasticised 6h ago
e-mail exchange between a known victim and Epstein arranging a "massage" for Elon.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00943751.pdf
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u/NotsobraveSirRobin 4h ago
Whoa, I've never heard about this. How was this not bigger news?!
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u/SkipioZor 3h ago
They pay reddit ceos to burry it along with other media agencies, percs of being in the club.
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u/wwarnout 7h ago
The only ones that will suffer "consequences" are the Ukrainian civilians that died because Trump/Musk are Russian supporters - making them traitors to America.
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u/sleuthervandr0ss 5h ago
im now looking at news from a perspective as why... did they tell us this? or why are they letting us know this?
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u/relative_iterator 3h ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump ordered it and now that it’s a story, Musk is the fall guy.
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u/OkBaker51 4h ago
Such a pathetic excuse for a man.
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u/ratpH1nk 4h ago
He could have been so cool. There was a time back in the late 00s and 2010s where he could put no foot wrong. Just seemed like a person who wanted a "better" cooler future.
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u/PizzaDog425 3h ago
My dad was born in the late 50’s and grew up being fascinated by the Space Race. When they launched the first Falcon rocket with a reusable booster in 2015 he took me down to Cape Canaveral to watch it. I remember him telling me with childlike wonder about how he felt like Elon was going to launch us into the next great age of exploration.
He passed away before Elon did his major public heel turn. I think he’d be heartbroken to see how this has all played out. It’s one of the only reasons I’m okay with my Dad being gone.
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u/MetaTrombonist 3h ago
Nationalize Starlink and SpaceX. These systems are critical to US national security and should be under the direct command of our military, not some ketamine addicted pedophile.
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u/Mowag 3h ago
As a Dane I would like to uno reverse the Greenland situation. Starshiels and SpaceX is critical for our safety since it assist Ukraine, so just as the US wanted Greenland, we want starshield and SpaceX. Now hand it over
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u/RedSix2447 7h ago
Trump already stated he ordered it and worked with Elon, now they are using Elon as the scapegoat. Lol
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u/Starmedia11 2h ago
A defense contractor who’s working to give aid and comfort to Russia, an enemy of the United States?
Isn’t that the literal definition of Treason in the Constitution?
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u/Saiing 7h ago
Saying "it's his company" is a valid opinion.
But isn't it somewhat terrifying that we have reached the point where billionaire oligarchs can now change the direction of a major international war (between two countries, neither of which is their own).
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u/GoldenSama 7h ago
Truly it's not a valid opinion. We used to realize that some things were more important than whether or not a billionaire makes money.
If it had been a bunch of Americans who died because of Musk, would anyone still shrug and defend him? ... Probably, Musk dickriders are a special kind of stupid.
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u/thomasahle 4h ago
If you own a powerplant, and a bunch of people are hooked up to ventilators using it, you can't just say "this is my system" and turn it off without warning. Just because those people pissed you off.
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u/lobotomy42 7h ago
Honestly, if there's ever been a clear-cut case for eminent domain, StarLink is it
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u/DresdenPI 5h ago
I mean, he removed protections for civilians in a warzone and at best did so without regard for the consequences. As a result, people died. Regardless of how you feel about whether or not someone should have had that power it's also legally at least manslaughter.
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u/guy-le-doosh 7h ago
It's been this way with corporations for years, only not so acutely. Chiquita Banana knows all about it.
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u/newbrevity 7h ago
If only we had a functional government that could exert control over satellites launched from within its borders.
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u/Khaldara 7h ago
Or hadn’t spent the last forty years convincing the dumbest people to ever walk upright that regulation is the devil.
Anyway time to see what food is getting recalled this week because corporate entities do such a great job job policing themselves.
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u/vividimaginer 6h ago
Hey at least the milk isn’t sold rancid and filled with chalk! This month!
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u/clowncarl 6h ago
Say what you will about the authoritarianism, but you know in China the CCP would have this guy in jail and govt ownership over the company instantly.
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u/an_african_swallow 6h ago
Countries being completely and utterly at the mercy of privately owned businesses is Dystopian as fuck and completely unstable, at least in cyberpunk 2077 you got cool cybernetic augmentations to use, we’re just getting the dystopia without all the sci-fi
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u/aardvarkbark 7h ago
He doesn't own the majority of the company. It ain't his. Sure he has a higher voting power due to the class of his shares, but it ain't his company.
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u/Hoosier2016 6h ago
He has 82.4% of voting power and is the CEO. He has full executive authority and can't be removed by the board of directors. It's his company.
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u/skwerlee 6h ago
This has been a thing for a long time. International financiers have often funded wars they are not a part of with huge loans and other services. The availability of those funds and services absolutely changed the fortunes of nations.
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u/Memory_Less 6h ago
So far they are getting away with murder. Zuck in Myanmar and Musk in Ukraine. That’s only two examples of many.
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u/Kindle282 5h ago
It's almost like privatizing things that should be run by the nation is a bad thing.
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u/ZeeBalls 6h ago
Why the fuck is a private citizen in charge of military equipment for the United States..?
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u/kadaka80 6h ago
Fuck off treacherous GOP - It was Trump, it's always Trump
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u/Nkxseal 6h ago
Didn't the telegraph article say that musk proposed it and trunp agreed and ordered it, sounds like trump is the one responsible
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u/deltarho 6h ago
Trump is a useful idiot with dementia. Yeah he needs to be held to account, but putting the blame squarely on him is exactly what the string-pullers like musk want. Trump is everyone’s patsy.
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u/Chicory-Coffee 5h ago
Exactly. Consequences my ass.
Either musk is in control of what "the white house does" or the order itself came from trump after agreeing with musk. It's also possible the real order came from russia.
But it all comes down to the same conclusion. Extract these traitors from power and put them into a cell.
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u/chuang-tzu 6h ago
Nationalize all of his assets. Deport his ass to a country that he has never been to.
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u/HinDae085 5h ago
The fact a single billionaire, nevermind what a fascist he is, controls critical Internet infrastructure and can decide to shut it off like this is a matter of national and international security. Musk needs to be jailed for this
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u/Abhoth52 7h ago
Make a lot of promises, tell a lot of lies. Fuck this timeline and creeps running it. Might as well be Russia.
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u/Lolakery 6h ago
uch i have to cancel my starlink for my off the grid cottage. This is super annoying. fuck elon musk.
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u/RoachBeBrutal 6h ago
It’ll be a limp-dicked fine. Pay $1,000 and promise not to be a bad wittle trillionaire ever again ok? The GOP is useless
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u/02bluesuperroo 6h ago
This was almost certainly done at the request of the Commander in Chief. Not sure why anyone would think otherwise considering how much trouble he could get in for doing it on his own accord. People could’ve died because of that and his company, which is publicly traded, has a defense contract with the government to provide the service.
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u/DoingItForEli 6h ago
a single man who we know exposed himself to a flight attendant and had to pay her a settlement, therefore exhibits behavior easily BLACKMAILED, is in control of internet access for an entire side of a major military conflict. Gee golly gosh, what could go wrong?
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u/gloini 5h ago
I doubt he did this completely on his own. I think he's just taking the blame to get some juice out of the orange.
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u/lkodl 5h ago
Everyone just accepts that Trump is in Putin's pocket. But why not Musk? I would think he'd be even easier to control/puppet than a head of state. And as the world's only trillionaire, he's just as good of a "get".
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u/garry4321 5h ago
Russia has the rest of the Epstein files and Musk is in them
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u/trufus_for_youfus 5h ago
Musk was told he wasn’t cool enough to be in the group.
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u/KingOfTheMischiefs 5h ago
I don't know why... But there is something darkly hysterical about being told you're "not cool" enough by a massive nonce ring.
Like no matter how bad your day is going, you're never Elon Musk begging to join a nonce party and being told you're not cool enough, by the king of the kiddie fiddlers.
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u/zerreit 5h ago edited 4h ago
He knew about Little St James, he knew enough to schedule a trip back, and he understood the politics of being there. That would imply he had been there at least once in the past, and from his familiarity of the invitation protocol, maybe more than once.
Someone knew Elon’s preferences well enough that they invited him
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u/sasquatchanonymous 7h ago
and by "consequences" i mean that I will say the word "consequences" one time. take that!
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u/alienalf1 6h ago
It’s a fucked up situation when a techno fascist can affect the efforts of a country to resist an invasion. And then tries to distract people with a bullshit flying car.
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u/justflushit 6h ago
The problem with oligarchy: the guy you want to punish for turning off the internet to an (ally?) country at war also holds the keys to our nations access to low earth orbit and our plans to reach the moon.
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u/quaglandx3 1h ago
Such tough talk. “Musk donates another $500m to republican candidates”…that will be the consequence if there are any at all.
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u/animalfath3r 6h ago
Nationalize starlink. It's too critical of an infrastructure to be allowed to be controlled by a non-governmental entity. Take it over and pay him for it. Done.
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u/Disazzt3rD3m0nD4d 6h ago
Cool. Now do the power grid and food supply. lol
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u/Miszou_ 6h ago
and healthcare
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u/Cheeseyex 5h ago
Don’t forget the train systems! Tired of our internal trade network coming to a halt becuase the railway companies won’t let their workers have checks notes time off and sick days.
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u/JeRazor 7h ago
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
That's a start
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u/MachineLaugh 6h ago
Something something about checks and balances. Remember to vote in the middle term elections.
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u/lewisfrancis 7h ago
Doesn't that make him an enemy of the Ukraine people? Does that make him an assassination target, sanctioned or otherwise?
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u/Sober_Alcoholic_ 6h ago
"Conequences" of course meaning Elon will now have to bribe the Republican.
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u/SideInitial3961 6h ago
There will be zero consequences. He will continue to be enriched and rewarded by US taxpayer money.
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u/pontiacfirebird92 6h ago
Nobody is going to touch Elon Musk because he's making insiders a shit load of money.
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u/chitoatx 6h ago
Does Northrop Grumman’s CEO Kathy J. Warden have a kill switch for our stealth bombers?
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u/FernandoBasalt 6h ago
Is he going to casually brick the cars of people who don’t agree with him? The man has too much power.
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u/chompythebeast 6h ago
Christ, I wish the parties did even a tenth of this sort of thing for Palestine.
Such an ugly society that imperialism has made
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u/alexacto 5h ago
We got to the point where a South African billionaire is in command of US Military weaponry. If I put this in my novel, people would laugh me out of the bookstore, yet here we are.
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u/engagekhan 6h ago
How about we nationalize Starlink and SpaceX from the traitor.
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u/krispyred 4h ago
And he'll do the same thing with Taiwan if China ever invades. He's not just a Russian stooge; he's a China stan as well.
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u/SonOfBill 5h ago
I hope Musk is pissing his fucking pants over this.
To think… that guy used to be held in such high regard. I even signed up for a cybertruck. Fuck this guy. I still need to get that deposit back.
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u/AJfriedRICE 5h ago
It truly boggles my mind how he has more money than any human being could ever want, x100, and this is how he chooses to live his life.
Go live on a private island (not Epstein island, he’s not invited), try to enjoy your friendless, loveless life, and leave us the fuck alone.
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u/mmalmeida 5h ago
This is why we live in a techno feudalism.
And this is exactly what Musk and other billionaires want.
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u/bradbear117 4h ago
Musks operations are in the US. Trump administration runs the US.
They ordered Musk.
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u/Playful_Possibility4 3h ago
Consequences.....gets a multi billion dollar contract from the nazi state of the US
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u/Enough-Bunch505 3h ago
After the business plot of 1933 there was no consequences for the wealthiest Americans. They had hand picked a man from the millitary who was going to take control of the government and rule as a figurehead for people like Carnegie and chase. They planned a litteral coup detat, actual treason, and saw 0 consequences.
If there are going to be consequences the system must be reformed
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u/HerbaciousTea 3h ago
Imagine if your internet provider, right now, shut off your internet to try to, let's say, impact the upcoming election.
This kind of action from billionaires is unacceptable and should end with their imprisonment, and criminal charges for everyone involved, along with the breaking up of the company that allowed that kind of abuse.
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u/adamtheskill 3h ago
I know that there's a military version of starlink called starshield that should be entirely under the control of the DoD. I thought that was what Ukraine used so don't really understand how Elon could be allowed to make decisions about it.
Either something is very wrong in the DoD and they're for some reason allowing civilians to control critical infrastructure or Elon is taking the blame. Could be both honestly.
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u/PhantomPhelix 3h ago
The message is being sent and heard around the globe: US Tech cannot be trusted, especially when it comes to military tech.
Any countries with F35 contracts should cancel and immediately consider alternatives.
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u/LucidOndine 2h ago
All these lame limp dick assholes are dancing for Putin. The whole Republican Party is compromised.
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u/Orangesteel 7h ago
MAGA was worried about immigrants ruining the US. Strangely, with Musk, they were right.