r/news • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 9h ago
Supreme Court rebuffs Trump administration restrictions on medical care for transgender inmates
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-transgender-inmates-trump-0b46a5cc302e1c8bcd292d32533e9a35?utm_source=app&utm_medium=android_share&utm_campaign=copy_link506
u/Saneless 8h ago
The Trump administration appealed, arguing that treatments raised security concerns
Well, mark this date down in history. The first time a Republican has ever cared about conditions in a prison
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u/BorkieDorkie811 8h ago
I don't think that's fair criticism. Republicans spend plenty of time figuring out how to make prison conditions worse.
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u/imaraisin 5h ago edited 5h ago
As a trans person, I can be darker and say it’s because they want to continue the practice of v-coding.
Basically forcing trans women into pseudo marriages with very violent inmates as a pacification tool.
And yes, it is state sanctioned. It happens in both states with Democrat and Republican control. It is by definition state sanctioned sexual violence.
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u/DontDoomScroll 3h ago edited 2h ago
If you don't call people being raped "unwanted sex" then please don't call what you have the apt words for "state sanctioned sexual violence", "rape"; don't call that "pseudo marriage".
- Sincerely,
unmarried trans woman. Well I've been "married" plenty, just not by the state.
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u/engin__r 8h ago
Alito and Thomas need to be impeached.
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u/BlueEyes294 8h ago
I’d vote for incarcerated.
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u/Brooke-Forest 6h ago
IANAL but, I'm kinda sad Biden didn't use the supreme court decision about presidential immunity to order the immediate "something or another" of all the judges who voted for it, and trump for that matter.
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u/XxChocodotxX 4h ago
I am also not a lawyer, but do enjoy reading on legal topics, for what that counts. There’s no mechanism I’m aware of that would have allowed Biden to legally do, well, much of anything to those justices for making a ruling. Legally. For the executive branch to seek retribution against judges for making a ruling, would be opening a very fierce Pandora’s Box that nobody realistically wants to deal with, and would definitely have unintended consequences that nobody would like.
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u/ianc1215 5h ago
Can we just make them into a peach instead? Sounds more useful than putting them on trial.
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u/ZoeyKaisar 6h ago
Some good news for once.
The worth of a society is in how it treats those with neither power nor privilege.
In a country that currently strives to incarcerate trans people for their existence, the cruelty should never extend to restriction of the medicines required for survival. Realize that the alternative is a death sentence.
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u/TintedApostle 7h ago
Want to know why Trump and MAGA supporters are focused on Trans issues so much? One just need to read the answer to Question 1 of Malleus Maleficarum from 1486. This was the guide used to identify witches and sorcerers...
"Whoever believes that any creature can be changed for the better or the worse, or transformed into another kind or likeness, except by the Creator of all things, is worse than a pagan and a heretic."
These are religious extremists. This is what they believe. Centuries of science do not matter.
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u/thepianoman456 6h ago
That may be true, but I think it’s simpler than that. Fascists need a boogeyman to sell their horrible policies, and they basically just pick one from a hat.
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u/TintedApostle 6h ago
Fascists play on beliefs, fears and hate of what ever group they need.
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u/A_Nonny_Muse 4h ago
It is their base who believes in the Malleus Maleficarum of1486. The trump administration need not believe in it themselves in order to exploit the beliefs of their base.
Trump himself most certainly does not believe in anything religious. He about as irreligious and one can be. Everything he has ever said about religion was intended to manipulate the religious.
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u/TintedApostle 4h ago
Absolutely.... Thomas Paine covered this...
“Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime.”
― Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
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u/DarthKodi 6h ago
For the evangelicals sure but for most Republicans and politicians it's just culture war distraction plain and simple, it's helps galvanize their base for votes. Heres a good post someone made about it that I think is very accurate. Especially with the weird sports argument they always bring up.
"Just for the sake of explaining - under the patriarchy, trans women are vilified more frequently because we openly refute that being male is the obvious, better choice. Trans men often get explained away as "obviously a woman would want to be a man, it's the best possible gender" and sometimes get treated as "men light".
Unable to comprehend why anyone would "choose" to be a woman, because because it's so obviously the "worst", most controlled, sub-class of gender - transphobes start stabbing in the dark for reasons that make sense to them: sexual perversion, mommy issues, mental health, predatory desires, or that trans femmes want to use their "obviously better" male genetics to "unfairly" compete against cis women.
Julia Serano does a pretty good job unpacking all this. Talia Bhatt is another fav, though she's more rage-y which is kind of cathartic.
What makes me chuckle is how obvious the whole gig is. Too often their very premise starts with (usually unspoken) "men are better at everything" and/or "men are sexual predators". The first is an acknowledgement of misogyny and the second is an acknowledgement of rape culture. Rather than address those, which would mean addressing the patriarchy, they make a scapegoat out of the traitors to masculinity."
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u/jepcasey 6h ago edited 5h ago
All this is really well said. I think there's a correlation between religion and conservatism too, and conservatism, not religion, is where the obsessive devotion to social hierarchy comes in. Innuendo Studios' "Always a Bigger Fish" from their Alt-Right Playbook series is an incredibly useful essay on how the logic works. The part relevant to this is that they don't believe a world outside the social pyramid is possible, so any attempt at social movement -- collectively towards equity or personally towards the bottom of the pyramid -- is analyzed as a secret strategy for personal advancement to the top somehow. Anyone who claims to want less power is only tricking you so they can steal your power. Any "man who wants to be a woman" has a scheme to lie, cheat, and steal their way past you on the ladder.
Whereas of course any woman would "want to be a man," and all that'd keep her from it is her belief that she is shamefully less than that, so we better reinforce that too.
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u/CQd444 6h ago
...no, they just think it's weird sexual deviancy. Not one of them is gonna cite that thing from 1486 lmao. Get real, man. It isn't that deep.
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u/TintedApostle 6h ago
Its that the same thinking is taught even today.
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u/jepcasey 6h ago
It's not really. (Source: I'm both trans and Catholic and was raised through 14 years of Catholic school, then went on to get a degree in sacred literature.) The warning in the Maleficarum is a specific reference to alchemy, which was the early modern expression of what the Church feared from the "wizards" and "magicians" of the Dark Ages. It's much more against the attempt to transmute materials into wealth or power (see also fear of "popery" and Milton's argument that gold is mined from Hell) than any concept of self-transformation.
I've faced transphobia from Christians in my communities and my extended family for twenty years, been taught all the anti-queer BS, and trust, none of these people are even reading or citing the Bible, let alone early modern literature.
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u/TintedApostle 6h ago
The line is specific to "creature" - so although the entire guide is related to witches and sorcerers the opening to question 1 goes higher to set a premise.
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u/jepcasey 5h ago
Well, yes, so the endpoint of alchemy was the distillation not of lead into gold, but the apotheosis this represented, the distillation of body into spirit. The "alchemists" of the early modern era were imagined to be seeking immortality. There was this metaphysical ladder imagined to connect the Earth to the heavens, with somas shedding a layer of their material coarseness at each rung of the ascension until they reached heaven as pure spirit. The philosophers and natural scientists of the time believed that on death, the spirit would return through the seven nested crystal spheres, becoming purer with each level. The seven horses with six riders at JFK's funeral were reenacting an early modern military custom where horses carry the spirit through each sphere! ... Anyway... creatures are only supposed to get everlasting life via communion in the Eucharist, and they were probably referring to that as opposed to e.g. cutting one's hair and wearing pants. HRT and SRS to make permanent transitional changes weren't concepts at the time (beyond, like, eunuchs, and the Church baptized eunuchs).
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u/TintedApostle 5h ago
The line is specific in question 1. Gold isn't a creature.
In the Malleus Maleficarum (1487), a "creature" (creatura) is any being or thing brought into existence by God
Question VIII: Of the Manner whereby they Change Men into the Shapes of Beasts.
• Perfect creatures include complex, higher-order beings like humans and beasts.
• Imperfect creatures include lower animals such as frogs, mice, serpents, and flies, which the text notes can also be generated spontaneously from putrefaction (decay)
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u/jepcasey 4h ago
You have to read at least to the end of my first sentence, man.
The purification of lead into gold was a metaphor for the purification of body into spirit. The Church condemned alchemists along the same lines as they condemned pagan spirit healers, medicine men, and other practicioners of "spiritual work." The Maleficarum wasn't talking about creatures changing their bodies -- again, the Church baptized eunuchs -- it was talking about occultists promising the type of bodily transformation (from material into eternal spirit or demon) that the Church promised.
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u/SilverAgedSentiel 6h ago
that's not even in their mind, they don't know religion, they don't know history, they've never read anything beyond hobby and sports.
It's just simply, male superiority, anything they would argue that makes you less of man (Homosexuality,Depression,Emotional Expression) is a sin against the superiority complex. They hate cis women as well, always did.
We call it Christian Nationalism, but truly they don't adhere to any commandment of anything. MAGA doesn't ask where Trump goes to church, they don't care. They don't demand that people in the cult repent their earlier sins (even when they used those accusations against them before they joined MAGA). None of that, there's no religious leaders in MAGA, there's no clerics to espouse the law, the cult is about ignoring the law as much as possible.
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u/NonFungibleTulip 3h ago
my pet theory is that after the utterly kack-handed handling of COVID-19 IN 2020, and Trump's defeat in that year, GOP political consultants went "anger shopping" to see what would get voters worked up; remember the frothing about kitty litter, CRT, etc?
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u/RangerFluid3409 4h ago
Because their base eats it up
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u/TintedApostle 4h ago
There base is born into these beliefs or taught with these beliefs being in the undercurrent.
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u/HotPaper7674 3h ago
The Supreme Court will sometimes toss some crumbs down to the people on social issues. That way, they can look “balanced” when they provide rulings that support Project 2025 and the billionaire class.
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u/BenefitAdvanced 1h ago
This. And it works in Trump‘s favor because he gets to get MAGA all riled up because at the end of the day he doesn’t care about this shit at all.
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u/Peitho_Noir 8h ago
This admin and its backers are out to prove that no entity hates the American people, in all their varied personas and beliefs, more than America itself. Self-hate on a national scale.
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u/Greyboxer 5h ago
Something that definitely did not deserve the high courts attention but here we are
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u/Competitive-Ad-9404 4h ago
"Here's your nut liberals, now we can rule Trump can refuse to seat Democratic election winners. "
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u/Whose_Joanna 4h ago
I guess it doesn't mean much if you're cis, but this is actually a big win for those of us who care about trans rights.
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u/j01101111sh 1h ago
Yes but also this is to make their extremely partisan rulings more palatable. Both things are true.
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u/Whose_Joanna 42m ago
Personally, I'll take the wins where I can get them. This is more important to me than most of the cases they hear.
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u/j01101111sh 33m ago
And I'm not saying you shouldn't. Absolutely. It's just good for people to remember their motive. They're not doing it because they're non partisan and fair. They're doing it to appear non partisan and fair. People (not saying you) get tricked by this and will point to cases like this one as evidence of fairness next time they rule it's legal to arrest people based on race or whatever.
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u/Ok-Transition7065 7h ago
Dude, like if you worried about security. Ice has been doing more damage to not even illegal immigrants, to us legal citizens that the potential. That problem could cause... Yeah like some will try to take advantage of this but. It's not. For this kind of solution
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u/nappingbat 8h ago
Meanwhile, the male prison population in the US is well over 1 million individuals.