r/memes • • 10h ago

Just... ask for more money?

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u/1-luv 10h ago

Yall got bigger problems like no guns.

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u/georgewashingguns 10h ago

Not exactly a problem when their gun control laws are incredibly effective at preventing gun violence

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u/1-luv 10h ago

data on violent crime consistently shows that the vast majority of firearms used in offenses are obtained illegally. why punish responsible owners?

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u/georgewashingguns 10h ago

Data on gun control in Australia shows that it was, and is, extremely effective at reducing and preventing gun violence

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u/1-luv 10h ago

The data shows that firearm deaths were already steadily declining for over a decade before the 1996 laws were passed. Nice try

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u/EtherealBeany 10h ago

And how are things going in the US without any gun control?

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u/1-luv 10h ago

Pretty good. Police cant just go into my house without a warrant.

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u/the_sixhead 9h ago

The fuck they can't lmao. They just shot a baby. You think they give a fuck about a warrant?

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u/1-luv 9h ago

This is why you keep your door closed. Ur telling me they blew open the door?

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u/E-2theRescue 5h ago

I think they're talking about the case where they stopped a woman from stealing diapers by getting out of their cars and immediately blasting her and her kids. All the cops walked despite it being a clear execution.

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u/WERK_7 9h ago

They shouldn't* they can, will, and do all the time. It's not hard to find articles of people going to prison for using a firearm in defense after an unlawful entry.

And side note, if a cop can mag dump you with almost zero consequences just because they think you have a gun, you don't have the right to own a gun.

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u/1-luv 9h ago

Blaming the Second Amendment for bad police behavior is a false equivalency, especially when Castle Doctrine laws successfully protect thousands of homeowners who use legal firearms to stop intruders every year. Nice try.

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u/WERK_7 9h ago

You don't seem to get the point. Your 2nd amendment right isn't protected if a cop can legally murder for thinking you have a gun. You're citing highly specific examples of the appropriate use of a firearm but people legally carrying get shot by cops every day. I'm with you. I'm a supporter of the 2nd amendment and what it stands for. I'm also in favor of stricter laws so people who shouldn't have guns have a harder time getting them. Almost no one advocating for gun control wants all guns banned.

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u/E-2theRescue 5h ago

LMAO!

Someone needs to look up Ryan Whitaker. Go ahead and try to hold a gun when the police show up because you were playing video games a little too loud for your neighbor. See how that goes for you.

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u/EtherealBeany 4h ago edited 3h ago

Black Air Force officer got shot dead in his home (don’t remember exact details but this is very recent) because he had a gun in his hand (pointing down to the floor and his other hand raised up) when he opened the door because the officer refused to identify himself when asked who it was, and then hid from the peekhole prompting the guy to get a gun in the first place. All over a noise complaint of some sorts. Deputy walked Scott free despite the sheriff department of the officer firing him for the whole thing.

Having a gun sure saved him, right? The cop was of course the one and only one responsible for this situation, but the more relaxed the gun laws are, the more trigger happy people get. Especially those with an ounce of authority.

There are also lots of road rage fueled shootings usually committed with legally obtained guns. According to data compiled by Everytown Research & Policy and the Gun Violence Archive, an individual is shot (either injured or killed) in a road rage incident roughly every 18 hours in the United States.

So many school shootings. So many other mass shootings besides that. Leading cause of death for children in the us is school shootings btw, most of which again are through legally obtained guns.

Cannot understand how one can defend this.

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u/Hot_Tadpole9479 10h ago

and did it keep declining, flatten out, or go up after the 1996 laws?

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u/Horror_Tiger6393 9h ago

So why is gun control a “big problem” in AU then?

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u/1-luv 9h ago

Ive said this before: Giving up your guns means permanently outsourcing your safety to the state and trusting that criminals who never follow the law anyway will suddenly decide to play fair. Guns just dont go away, the criminals & cops are the only ones with it now.

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u/Horror_Tiger6393 9h ago

But you’re implying that more guns are necessary to protect yourself from rising gun violence. Less guns in AU hasn’t translated to more gun violence. There will always be a problem with gun violence as there is no perfect solution, but it certainly doesn’t seem to be a big or growing problem in AU. Do you think gun violence will go down further or go back up if they have more guns? Or are you saying the two things are completely unrelated?

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u/1-luv 9h ago

The two things are actually unrelated, since the US and Australia saw the exact same massive drop in violent crime over the last few decades, showing that crime rates track with broader social trends rather than how many guns are in circulation.

You really should stop watching the news and start thinking for yourself.

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u/Horror_Tiger6393 9h ago

Please don’t make assumptions on how I educate myself. To clarify, you’re saying the number of guns in circulation has zero impact on the amount of gun violence?