r/memes • • 9h ago

Just... ask for more money?

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u/tiandrad 9h ago

Why would you tip them? Don’t they decide what to charge you?

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u/Designer-Chemical-95 9h ago

They do. Some get really upset when you don't tip though.

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u/Power_Stone 9h ago

Which is weird, they set their own prices. If an artist got bent out of shape because I didn't tip I wouldn't go back to them.

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u/Gysus12 9h ago

Right? If I wanted to pay more then I would’ve gone to someone better and more expensive.

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u/[deleted] 6h ago

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u/Gysus12 6h ago

It’s a vicious cycle
I’ll stick with temporary tattoos

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u/Orleanian 8h ago

I think that the issue is that if an artist set a high price, people wouldn't go back because it was a high price (ostensibly, despite that they would go back if it was a low price that they tipped upon).

It's all pretty fucked.

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u/Power_Stone 8h ago

Well then the people are stupid too. Tattoo artists are in fact artists. GOOD art is not and should not be cheap.

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u/Orleanian 8h ago

people are stupid

Well, I mean, yeah. There you have it. The answer to life, the universe, and everything.

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u/Power_Stone 8h ago

No that's 42

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u/trusty289 9h ago

Fuckin wierdos

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u/kindafree8 9h ago

I think the breakdown here might be that some artists own the shop and some artists pay a booth rent or a percentage of the overall pay. So while some artists get to keep everything they charged you, some might have to split it with the shop owner. Probably best to discuss this stuff up front and know the whole situation. I could understand an artist splitting the gross pay or paying a booth rent hoping for a tip.

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u/thecheapseatz 8h ago

But the artist still picks the price that they charge

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u/youngcuriousafraid 8h ago

Unfortunately in places where someone rents out a space like hairdressers or tattoo artists, tips are a big part of how they sustain themselves, at least in some setups.

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u/-DOOKIE 8h ago

You're not really addressing the fact that they set their own prices. If they needed more, they should just charge more?

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u/arikiel 8h ago

Yeah I don't get why americans act as if they're the only nation that pays taxes, rent or whatever. Generally, majority of the world operates that way. People just set the prices that work for them with that in mind.

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u/_jerkalert_ 8h ago

If the shop owner is taking 40% of your earnings (a common split for shops is 60/40), raising your prices to compensate doesn’t effectively negate the problem.

If a tattoo is $1,000, the shop owner takes 400, leaving you with 600. If you raise your prices to $1,500, now you keep 900 (90% of the previous price of $1k) and the shop owner gets 600. However, a 50% increase in your prices is going to mean sticker shock for people walking through your door, and your prices are likely outpacing the dozens of other artists in your area. Unless you’re very fucking good, most folks are going to go someplace else.

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u/youngcuriousafraid 8h ago

1) some places limit what you charge or give you a range.

2)higher cost of the service itself will not solve the initial problem. If 30% goes to the shop/salon, then charging more means you're still paying out to the salon a lot. If you go by tips, the hairdresser or tattoo artist keeps a lot more.

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u/Old_Cardiologist197 6h ago

Okay, so their price should take into account their operating costs. They should charge enough to cover that. Why charge less and hope for tips to cover their expenses?

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u/Orleanian 8h ago

Depends on how the split is set up.

If the parlor demands a 50% cut of jobs, and the artist needs $100 to break even on supplies, they have to charge the customer $200.

Alternatively, the artist can charge the customer $150, and hope for a $30 tip, which is technically a win-win sort of situation in an absurdly capitalist sort of way.

If the parlor demands a flat $50/day for the booth and overhead, then the artist needs to charge you $150 pretty straightforward.

So on and so forth, scaled up for whatever profit the Artist hopes to make.

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u/Whooptidooh 9h ago

Then they can just soak in that feeling of being upset; idgaf.

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u/justadude27 9h ago

You might gaf if they don’t let you book follow-ups.

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u/Whooptidooh 9h ago

Thats something that you have to ask before getting in their chair regardless. If you don’t and things like that become a surprise then that’s on you.

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u/justadude27 8h ago

Oh so your cool-guy hypothetical in your own comment would never happen then because they won’t let you in their chair to begin with? Well you sure showed them, in your own fantasyland.

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u/Whooptidooh 8h ago

No, I’d make the choice myself to not get on their chair. That’s the point of asking questions before you pay someone money.

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u/justadude27 8h ago

Right. So they’d tell you. And you’d dance around like a piss boy about it. And the artist wouldn’t be upset.

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u/sbearman 7h ago

Found the tattoo artist lmao

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u/bashful_predator 8h ago

If only there was more than one person that did tattoos.

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u/justadude27 8h ago

Yea and if only they all did tattoos in the same style like a xerox copier.

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u/bashful_predator 7h ago

If only le sigh

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u/IrrerPolterer 8h ago

That must be a US problem. I have a few tattoos and never encountered an artist expecting a tip. They will bill you the previously agreed price, you pay, have them take a few pics for their insta, have a cup of coffee and a chat, then leave. 

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u/r0se_w00d 1h ago

They also don’t pay their apprentices

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u/theinternetisnice 8h ago

I always tip so that when I come back they go “oh it’s you” and pull out the GOOD ink

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u/But_I_Dont_know_it 8h ago

This is tipping in a nut shell. We tip because we want to reward, encourage better treatment towards us from service, and also we tip because we know we can’t really do much about the greedy owners who push down their employees. Sure we can vote but at the end of the day I’ve never had a politician respect my wishes even after calling their office.

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u/Which-Arm-4616 7h ago

We tip because we want to reward, encourage better treatment towards us from service,

This doesn't make sense at the individual level because the payment is rendered after the service has already been provided. Tipping might have a larger, cultural impact on the behavior of those expecting a tip but you can't say that your individual choice to tip had any impact on the service you specifically received unless you're tipping up front (in which case you're not "really" tipping - you're bidding).

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u/I_amLying 7h ago

We tip because we want to reward, encourage better treatment towards us from service

We're not tipping to get better service, we're tipping to avoid bad service in the future. It's coercion, there is no good will. I can't remember the last time I received truly GOOD service that made me feel like they earned a few extra dollars, but of course I'll tip every damn time.

and also we tip because we know we can’t really do much about the greedy owners who push down their employees

This is the sob story to loosen your wallet, but it's not real in most cases. There's a legal requirement for tipped staff to earn minimum wage, and it's a vast minority of owners who would actually do anything against their employees for it.

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u/dealingwithhookers 4h ago

sometimes it does indeed work that way. you don't tip? next time you go, they're fucking with your stuff.

it doesnt' happen all the time, but it happens enough. it's a bunch of high school educated deadbeats back there going to work after smoking weed, i had someone slip a lime in my burrito once because my tip was too little probably. it was a fucking take out order too.

sometimes you tip when they don't deserve it and still get burned.

i haven't ate out in like 6 years. saved a lot of money, and also didn't have to eat someone's spit, bugs, or whatever shit they put in your food for not tipping enough

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u/mvppaulo 7h ago

That just sounds stupid to someone from a country with no tipping. I usually go to places where people are nice because they're nice, not because they expect surprise money from me.

I spent a few weeks in the usa for vacations, I absolutely hated the fake smiles in the restaurants, which instantly disappeared when the tip wasn't as much as expected.

Where I'm from people are just nice no matter what

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u/theinternetisnice 6h ago

I mean it was a joke.

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u/Annonrae 4h ago

That indicates to me that they might intentionally not do a good job unless I pay them extra on top of a price tag they already dictate, and that's pretty predatory. That's not someone I would want anywhere near my skin.

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u/aurortonks 7h ago

For repeat places or places where you tip before you receive your purchase (like delivery services), it's not actually a tip for providing good service, it's a bid. You're bidding on being the one to receive exceptional service because you paid more up front.

I think it's stupid either way and would rather just pay a higher price for things up front.

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u/BearsLoveBeans 8h ago

Fr fr They totally remember and treat you accordingly. I always tip.

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u/SEND_ME_SPIDERMAN 6h ago

That's odd. So they don't treat first time customers well...?

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u/BearsLoveBeans 5h ago

They do treat you well 🥰 you just get the xtra special treatment when you come back. Imo they seem more focused and personable?

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u/rapgamebonjovi 7h ago

I’ve had artists who have set hourly prices, and then at the end they’ll just shoot me a lower price for a piece rather than an hourly rate. Usually I’ll happily tip because I’ve been going to most of my artists for years.

But yeah one time I went in for a “free touch up” of just…clearly poorly done lines…and when I got up and walked out for free the dude was clearly butthurt. I mean, as an artist I get it, but also I paid for it to be done properly the first time (and tipped), so why would I tip again for the correction.

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u/LunaBug235 Professional Dumbass 8h ago

in my experience only, my artist has been spending extra time with me outside of the tattooing process to work out how the tattoo will look, so i've been giving her extra because i appreciate her patience working with me. i've spent 6+ hours at the shop when the tattooing has only taken less than 3hrs

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u/AbyssWankerArtorias 9h ago

FYI, not every tattoo artist sets their own price. If they work in a boutique style setting where they aren't technically an employee, they set their own price. If they're an employee of the shop, they don't set their own price more than likely. However I will say most tattoo artists are of the kind where they set their own prices.

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u/PringlesDuckFace 8h ago

It sounds like they operate like hair salons in that scenario. The business says "Haircuts $50" so all customers know what it costs, and the barbers pay some amount to have access to a chair in the shop, but have to charge the same prices for their services as anyone else there.

Even then, if you don't like what you're paid then that's a problem between you and your employer, not the customer's business to figure out the economics of every individual business and employee they visit.

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u/still-waiting2233 8h ago

Sounds like it depends on their arrangement with the shop. From what I have gathered an example would be the artists pay a % of sales to the shop as “rent” but then keep all the tips for themselves.

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u/97vyy 8h ago

Yes, mostly. The shop takes a cut so for that $100 flash tattoo they are getting 50-70% of that and they want more. A lot of shops run flash specials which is a constant stream of small money and not where the good money is. The shop is going to have little sayso on price if you are wanting something larger and custom.

Anyway, tipping is out of control just raise the price and be done with it.

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u/dre_valle 9h ago

It’s a type of etiquette tbh. Most artists charge by the hour and will often round their final prices down. A tip is just you acknowledging the extra value they’re giving you. It doesn’t have to just be cash either, a six pack or a preroll typically work just as well

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u/crademaster 8h ago

They could round their prices up instead? That way the client does not have to guess at 'extra value' provided and can simply agree to the price set out.

Seems simpler, no?

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u/BooHorde 8h ago

That way the client does not have to guess

The client doesn't actually have to do anything, if you don't want to tip no one is forcing you. Pretty simple, no?

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u/dre_valle 8h ago

If they did that, they would always end up charging clients more than what they quote, and people already think $100/hr is too much. It’s not like they’re giving people bling estimates either; some pieces only go over by a handful of minutes, but others can take an extra 20-40 minutes. At which point it’s up to the artists’ discretion whether to charge the additional hour or not, and like I said: most don’t.
There’s a mutual understanding that your tattoo is permanent, and good artists will put in the extra effort to make sure you’re satisfied with their work. It’s entirely up to you if you want to tip, but I hope you can understand why people, such as myself, gladly do.

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u/maximumtesticle 8h ago

Most artists charge by the hour

Because they can take as long as they want...how do people not see this scam?

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u/BooHorde 8h ago edited 7h ago

how do people not see this scam?

Because anyone who's actually gotten tattoed knows artists will generally give and estimate high/low just like every other industry that charges larbor by the hour.

If you don't trust them to be honest, then you can feel free to just pay a static price which will likely just be the highest in the estimate. Do you just think everything that is billed by the hour is a scam?

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u/dre_valle 8h ago

Ok I’m guessing you’ve never gotten a tattoo

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u/cornbread6767 8h ago

They make more money from people overestimating how much they should tip