r/masseffect • • 8h ago

NEWS It’s over

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Well, that’s that then

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u/jkman61494 7h ago edited 7h ago

So I'm not a gamer expert.

But how was Larian able to procure and publish Baldur's Gate 3?

Is there any chance a smaller studio could get rights to Mass Effect to make it?

I'm guessing the answer is no, but I always found it weird BG3 was able to be produced. Was that a special deal with Hasbro?

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u/CptBubbleGum 7h ago

If im not mistaken, the baldur's gate ip belongs to Wizards of the coast, not bioware/EA.

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u/Random_Useless_Tips 7h ago

The whole reason they made Dragon Age was so they could have their own fantasy IP

Just like how Mass Effect itself was so they could have their own sci-fi IP independent of Star Wars

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u/troublethemindseye 5h ago

It annoyed me how Star Wars mass effect was at first.

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u/Sweaty_Ranger7476 4h ago

Dragon Age had nearly twice the sales of Mass Effect, when the last Dragon Age underperformed EA decided to pull the plug on BioWare.

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u/BlinkReanimated 7h ago edited 7h ago

Baldur's Gate was always owned by WotC, it was a licensed DnD game. They just gave the license to Larian to develop 3 since Bioware wasn't up to it anymore.

Mass Effect is owned by EA. They may task some other internal studio with developing a followup sometime in the future, but I honestly doubt it. They almost certainly will never sell or even license it.

That said, the upcoming Expanse game looks fairly Mass Effect-coded, and Exodus) is effectively a spiritual successor to ME, even having a number of the key developers who were responsible for ME 1 and 2.

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u/weirdest-timeline 7h ago

yeah but as much as I am looking forward to those games, they just aren't Mass Effect. It is such a shame to waste this amazing universe.

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u/ChickenBossChiefsFan 7h ago edited 5h ago

I agree, it’s sad to see such a rich universe with so much untapped potential being basically abandoned, but we did get 3 great games out of it, and another game that eventually became great in its own way. Andromeda had sooo much potential, but it got in its own way a lot, too.

I do think, mechanically the games improved over each iteration (Andromeda was imo undeniably a smoother experience gameplay-wise than even ME3, which was smoother than ME2, and ME1 was clunky af sometimes). But the writing and details suffered in Andromeda.

Back to my original point: there were a lot more stories to tell in the ME universe, but we did get to have a hell of a good time in it while it lasted. So I’m glad we at least got we got out of it. Still my favorite franchise of all time.

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u/FUCKYOUIamBatman 6h ago

I’m hoping the players just take it and run with it. I know we can accept it’s closed and move on, but we literally don’t have to. The continuity of it would be weird but if a group of people got together and wrote a coherent story built within a thorough understanding of the universe, we could have a gamer-made saga.

It’d be like modding. Skyrim couldn’t be what it is today without the players. Fallout too. All of these expansions being made just for the love of the game when coding was done manually? The future is gonna get weird and I reeeally hope it goes the cool way where we get to enjoy these worlds and not let them die behind weak ass corporations.

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u/MapleWatch 4h ago

Andromeda was imo undeniably a smoother experience gameplay-wise than even ME3

The actual gameplay was amazing, the but menus and writing and everything else was a massive backwards progression.

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u/Dicaxis 4h ago

God, those menus still drive me INSANE! Thy are so clunky and just illogically and confusingly stacked on top of one another I never even bothered switching "profiles" because it was just too much of a hassle to manage (only effing THREE) abilities across several such "profiles" you are meant to swap between on the fly, not to mention crafting and other nonsense nested features.

But yes, the overall gameplay was SO much better than the MET and one of the reasons I still replay Andromeda. I will say the writing is def a mixed bag, but not as terrible as everyone thinks it is. Sure, it's nowhere near as good as the MET's, and there are a lot of mediocre, bad, repetitive, and cringe moments, but there are also a fair amount of heartwarming, funny, dramatic, and mysterious moments as well (the now forever unsolved murder mystery revolving around the mysterious "benefactor" of the Andromeda Initiative is one I still think about and there are some pretty cool theories about; another being Cora's potential backstory being TIM's daughter). They're just often buried in sidequests or found much later in the game (though I do think the game's into "hook" storyline with you dad is touching, dramatic, and tragic as well), like all of the companions' personal loyalty quests were very unique and fun to play and most gave a fair amount of depth to the characters. But I think it's lightyears better than Veilguard's writing (for the most part), honestly, and potentially their last game that still has a semblance of "classic Bioware."

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u/ChickenBossChiefsFan 55m ago

Yeah, I was referring specifically to gameplay. I think they tried to do too much that was too new (and going open world didn’t do it any favors either - ME was somewhat linear, and thus they could focus more on narrative, which was always one of ME’s draws) but looking purely at gameplay it was awesome.

There was a ton to critique but it was hella fun combat.

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u/hel105_ 7h ago

Same. The first game is still my favorite because it did an absolutely masterful job of establishing a universe full of history and potential. It’s a shame to see all that lore just end.

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u/xantec15 7h ago

Just like all the other IP that EA has bought and shelved over the decades.

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u/ShinItsuwari 7h ago

Command and Conquer...

I'll never forgive EA for closing Westwood, even if C&C4 was a total mess.

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u/RDTmodsBackEpstein 7h ago

If you havent... look into Renegade X and its upcoming successor Firestorm. The community still yearns.

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u/bloedarend 5h ago edited 5h ago

Petroglyph Games (successor studio) still exists and 8-bit Armies/Hordes scratches that Westwood RTS itch.

Edit: they're working on another one! 9-bit armies, currently in early access

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u/Swiftzor 3h ago

Check out Tempest Rising. It’s the closest I’ve ever seen to the DNA of C&C in the current age.

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u/ShinItsuwari 3h ago

Yup I have it on my Steam Library. It's the closest to it but it's no Kane's Wrath unfortunately.

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u/Objective_Might2820 6h ago

Yeah but I never thought it would happen to Mass Effect. Guess that was naive of me. Or hopeful I guess. Fucking figures…

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u/VoidYordle 3h ago

"ITS MY IP TO SIT AROUND AND DO NOTHING WITH!!!"

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u/ItsMeSlinky 7h ago

After Anthem and Veilguard, honestly, I didn’t trust BioWare with the next Mass Effect game at all. I hate that the studio is closing, I hate that 400 people are losing their jobs, but part of me is relieved because as a studio BW repeatedly demonstrated incompetence with IPs old and new.

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u/LunaticLK47 7h ago

All of the competent staff left.

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u/TheFlyingSheeps 7h ago

Agreed, but at the same time the trilogy was perfect and as andromeda showed it’s hard to recapture that energy.

I’d rather it be shelved or saved for a company that truly loves the franchise than to see it become a meh game and BioWare as it stood at the end was not that company

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u/Miserable_Alfalfa_52 7h ago

Bioware was wasting it already and this guys saying another studio might get to take it up. Im not sure what to tell you but thats literally the best case scenario for fans

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u/fuzzyfoot88 7h ago

While I do agree it’s a waste, please don’t let that paint your potential enjoyment of something that could take its place…help games like this thrive so we can at least TRY to have more of them.

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u/Kezyma 6h ago

I’m mixed here, I’m glad that current Bioware isn’t making another Mass Effect, as I really didn’t like the sound of where it was going, but this is also tragic in so many more ways than that.

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u/Peregrine2976 6h ago

It's one of my biggest gripes with game companies (especially Blizzard): under-utilization of their IPs. There's so much room for so many kinds of games in these universes and they just... don't do it. You'd think the greedy, soul-sucking shareholders at least would realize they're leaving money on the table by not making a Mass Effect 4X game or space sim.

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u/panshrekual 5h ago

I think there were a lot of potentially great stories in the Mass Effect universe, but I don’t think EA/Bioware were realistically ever going to tell them. Almost all the comics and novels are about humans and Cerberus for some reason, and the only time they made an actual sequel to the Trilogy it was a kinda hollow feeling spinoff in a new galaxy that might as well have been a completely new series.
I’m actually more sad about Dragon Age, and after seeing Veilguard I’m kind of glad they didn’t take another shot at Mass Effect.

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u/Due_Flow6538 5h ago

It's entirely likely that they'll sell mass effect to someone else provided that they take some of the debt that was included in the leveraged buyout. There's still an Amazon TV show of mass effect being made and if someone at Amazon was told that they could own their next fallout style property, they might just jump at it.

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u/cslack30 3h ago

I know how you feel, but I guess in the positive side this is how we get more games and more creativity in the space. Plus exodus has a squid party member…

Or at least that’s what I’m going to tell myself while I cry over the corpse of BioWare.

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u/Alacune 3h ago

I'd rather Mass Effect end than to watch it slowly sink down the drain, like Disney did with Star Wars.

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u/alphonseharry 5h ago

Mass Effect is Mass Effect because of the people who made this games. The setting was no particularly innovative. They can do the same in a new similar setting

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u/blue_line-1987 7h ago

40.000 years in the future huh? Jurgen! Get the melta!

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u/SemperFun62 7h ago edited 3h ago

They're not action RPGs, but if you're looking for a developer who's carrying that same spirirt forward check out Owlcat Game's Pathfinder and 40k games.

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u/LocksmithOk9968 7h ago

They may task some other internal studio with developing a followup sometime in the future, but I honestly doubt it.

Oh they will for a “member this” moment when they feel the need to squeeze out a little more profit for a particular quarter.

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u/BlinkReanimated 7h ago

Nah, they'll just license Garrus and Shepard to be used in Fortnite or some shit.

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u/LocksmithOk9968 7h ago

Oh yeah, I think you’re right, that’s more likely.

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u/Dracien86 7h ago

Sweet! Drew Karpyshyn is on as a writer for Exodus?!

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u/Crossedkiller 7h ago

What? lol they didn't just "give" the license to Larian. Larian paid for it and has to pay royalties to Wizards of the Coast. That's how licensing works

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u/CadeOCarimbo 7h ago

Sorry, why would they not sell it? I don't understand how doing anything with the franchise is better than selling it.

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u/BlinkReanimated 7h ago

Because EA doesn't sell their IPs. They would rather sit on it and prevent other people from profiting off of their IPs. It's how they have always worked.

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u/Luder714 6h ago

I can't wait for the mobile= Mass Effect--sponsored by Starbucks.

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u/ResponsibleAnt9496 6h ago

Why not though? It’s proven to be a somewhat valuable IP. Loyal fans and whatnot.

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u/superxpro12 7h ago

Mass Effect is owned by EA. They may task some other internal studio with developing a followup sometime in the future, but I honestly doubt it. They almost certainly will never sell or even license it.

featuring a complete lack of bi or hetero sexuality and a huge emphasis on High-T Shepard

I dont have much hope for the new Expanse game, and i say that as an absolute expanse fanatic. i reaally want to love it, but the gameplay looks very generic, and they're missing a lot of notes that would really sell the belters to me.

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u/10ebbor10 7h ago

featuring a complete lack of bi or hetero sexuality and a huge emphasis on High-T Shepard

Huh, what makes you think they'd home in on masc lesbian Shephard?

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u/superxpro12 7h ago

certainly not EA's affiliation with saudi arabia or jared kushner.... noted social and cultural paragons

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u/SwaggermicDaddy 7h ago

The expanse game was developed with Space operation mind specifically the commander Shepard and his band of misfits feel from what I’ve read. So we have that at least.

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u/lasthopel 7h ago

Osiris Reborn dev said mass effect was a massive inspiration plus the expanse is an amazing ip

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u/Messyfingers 6h ago

My feel on the matter is if BioWare was actively working on a mass effect game then EA likely has no intention of further developing that. Streamlining and selling off IPs actually makes sense for them, and its probably the best hope a lot of the franchises have for actually having sequels that don't suck shit.

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u/BlinkReanimated 6h ago

You're talking about EA. They have been burning studios to the ground for decades. They do not loosen their grip on the IPs they have flatlined.

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u/Messyfingers 6h ago

$20bil in debt that didn't exist a year ago is gonna necessitate A LOT of revenue to offset. That's why I'm rather confident they will be selling off certain things at this time.

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u/JustAnother_Hunter 5h ago

So a KOTOR 3 is coming…? 👀

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u/Kasern77 6h ago

They almost certainly will never sell or even license it.

Yep. Saudi Arabia publicly executed those game titles.

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u/kingpin000 Joker 6h ago

There is also the Guardians of the Galaxy game from 2021 which is also Mass Effect coded.

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u/Darthmullet 6h ago

In addition, Wizards went to BioWare / EA first, and they turned it down as they didn't have an engine that would do the IP justice, they suggested Wizards go to Larian since their Divinity: Original Sin engine was perfect and if they made the game themselves they'd have to just license the engine to use, which I don't think was on the table.

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u/kuban_ 5h ago

I'd say BG1 and 2 was they way it was because of Black Isle.

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u/RealGiallo 2h ago

Too bad all their idea of the universe is based on an old concept of time :(

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u/ProposalOk1738 7h ago

Unfortunately from how I saw it, Exodus looks to be more on the Dragon Age: The Veilguard side of things when looking at the character dialog. Campy and whimsical. I am afraid it will share the same fate as that game. So I am not optimistic on it being an ME replacement.

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u/Dac2142 7h ago

Larian worked with Wizards of the Coast to make Baldurs Gate 3. They didn’t like working with them which is why they didn’t make BG3 dlc and their next project is Divinity which is their IP.

If EA sells their IP it is totally possible for a different studio to make the game. However selling IP like that isn’t very common.

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u/theVoidWatches 4h ago

Yes, more likely they'll have another subsidiary studio use it or with with an outside studio like Larian did with WotC, but that's if they ever decide to make another ME game at all.

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u/BotanBotanist 4h ago

Swen has had only positive things to say about working with WOTC. I’m sure it wasn’t always great, but the idea that they hated working with them is headcanon made up by fans who needed a “bad guy” to blame for us not getting more BG content from Larian. In reality they simply wanted to move on and make their own stuff that they 100% own, which is completely understandable.

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u/kananishino 4h ago

Yep idk how people just like making shit up

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u/Interesting_Hand154 7h ago

Wizards of the Coast owns IP for Baldur's Gate. Developers like BioWare and Larian Studios created individual titles under license. WotC retain full rights to the setting, characters, and future games.

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u/huehoneyy 7h ago

Larian wanted to do it for years and got denied the license

Then divinity original sin 2 popped off and they asked WoTC for a shot again and they said ya

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u/localsexpot2117 6h ago

Funny thing: after DOS2, WotC actually approached Larian to pitch it again.

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u/samuraipanda85 7h ago

Sure. EA could sell off the Mass Effect IP to any studio that wants to take a crack at it.

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u/cynicalshell 7h ago

EA would rather send their IPs to a digital graveyard instead of selling them, they don't want competitors turning their IPs into a hit. It will never happen.

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u/ThatUJohnWayne74 5h ago

Yeah, they won’t make Titanfall 3 or anymore Dead Space remakes or new installments, but nobody else can either

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u/N0ob8 1h ago

Respawn has been given every chance to make titanfall 3 or even other titanfall spinoffs. Hell EA WANTS more titanfall content. The recent star wars zero company game was originally pitched to be a titanfall game before respawn changed it to Star Wars (definitely the better decision but the point still stands)

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u/Objective_Might2820 6h ago

EA will NEVER sell that IP. Never. It’s way too damn valuable.

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u/FuckMyBakaChungusLif 5h ago

They're owned by private equity now, they will hollow out EA's assets and do whatever earns them the most money in the short term.

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u/samuraipanda85 6h ago

If they don't make a game with it then it's just leaving money on the table. The $5 a pop they get from the Legendary edition every time it sells can't last forever.

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u/Objective_Might2820 5h ago

It doesn’t need to. EA is gonna divert the money they were spending on ME5 back to Madden and College Football. Because the idiots gambling all their money on Ultimate Team just for a tiny dopamine hit are worth more money than any Mass Effect game could be and it takes such little effort to get money from morons who have no life, whereas it’s harder to get money from dedicated fans.

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u/PalantirImperator 8m ago

It's not valuable at all if you don't do anything with it and don't sell it, in that case it's completely worthless.

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u/ClassicsMajor 7h ago

Larian was a well established studio and BG3 was built entirely on the back of their Divinity: Original Sin games. Larian was successful already plus they did a huge Kickstart and got money from selling a portion of their company.

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u/jar45 7h ago

EA / BioWare doesn’t own the Baldur’s Gate IP. Wizards of the Coast / Hasbro owns the brand and licensed it out to Larian.

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u/FuzzyMcFluffens Garrus 7h ago

Baldurs Gate IP is owned by Wizards of the Coast, who owns DnD. So Larian didnt have any contact with EA.

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u/Molag_Zaal 7h ago

Good luck getting anything from EA.

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u/Kryptsm 7h ago

Guessing it’s because the IP was only ever loaned out and Wizards of the Coast owned the IP and gave it to Larian to develop 3.

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u/x_Trassic_x 7h ago

Because Hasbro owns the license and they allow devs to pitch them and go with the best pitcg

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u/HeirOfEgypt526 7h ago

The rights to Baldur’s Gate rest with Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro who own D&D as a brand. BioWare was allowed to create the original Baldur’s Gate based off of the AD&D rules just like Larian was allowed to make BG3 based on the D&D 5e rules.

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u/mulahey 7h ago

Baldur's Gate is also linked to the very valuable D&D IP.

Mass Effect is more like Deus Ex, a fair sized fan base but no real reach outside of people you'd already expect to buy that type of game anyway.

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u/TheBalticguy 7h ago

The real answer is that Larian is a private studio that isnt directly tied to Investor expectations

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u/MondegreenHolonomy 7h ago

Who cares? It’s over. Mass effect was a response to losing the rights to Star Wars showing they could make an interesting original game. Why don’t we just want a repeat of that? Something new and original?

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u/blue_line-1987 7h ago

Larian didn't have a massive corpo machine being a massive deadweight shackled to them.

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u/Sbotkin 6h ago

They did and that's why they said they will never work with WotC ever again.

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u/VBBN-Official 7h ago

yeah Hasbro approached Larian and ultimately the studio licenses the IP that Hasbro/WotC owns. With BioWare gone, I’d have to assume the IP of Mass Effect now lives with EA? so they could in theory have a studio, though likely one under their umbrella pitch a game under the license, I doubt EA would ever do anything that gamers actually want but I can dream

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u/Arkhe1n 7h ago

Larian wouldn't touch an EA properly with a ten foot pole.

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u/Zalvren 7h ago

Baldur's Gate is D&D, Bioware never owned it and Larian doesn't either. Same for KOTOR btw with Disney.

For Mass Effect and Dragon Age, it's owned by EA now which I guess could license it to someone else but doubtful (if they were interested in the games, they'd have kept Bioware).

I guess they could also sell it to someone. They are looking for money to refund some of the debt after all.

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u/repalec 7h ago

It depends on EA's willingness to license the IP.

Realistically, I think the more likely scenario would be ex-BioWare staff creating a 'new' series that's basically just ME/DA with the serial numbers filed off.

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u/FriarFaithful93 7h ago

Larian made the Divinity Series which is widely acclaimed so they had pedigree behind their name for producing quality over quantity. That’s why they got BG3 and it won game of the year.

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u/Ok-Soup-9256 7h ago

I always found it weird BG3 was able to be produced. 

There's nothing wierd about it. It was a standard liscensed game. Larian at no time ever "procured" anything. It was just a license, that's all.

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u/SilentPizzle 7h ago

I think EA has enough of a potential tappable market to rationalize selling ME to another company but I highly highly doubt it’ll be anytime soon.

It’s fucking over guys :(

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u/glissandont 7h ago

You'll be able to build a snowman in Hell before EA sells the Mass Effect IP.

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u/fiend1shdrwu 7h ago

>Is there any chance a smaller studio could get rights to Mass Effect to make it?

No way. EA is much much worse than WoTC.

They won't let the license go and they won't allow a game to be produced unless theres an insane amount of money to be made (which there probably isn't, by EAs standards).

Apparently Hasbro got like 90 million from the BG3 earnings when all was said and done. Keeping in mind BG3 took like 6 years to make, its just not very profitable compared to slapping some shitty multiplayer game together in a year and adding microtransactions.

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u/Beyondthebloodmoon 7h ago

That’s Wizards of the Coast with the license.

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u/Inven13 7h ago

Baldur's Gate is owned by WOTC which is an outsider company that doesn't develop its own games.

So they rent the IP to an interested party.

Similar to the Star Wars games. They're mostly published by EA but the owner of the IP is Disney.

Mass Effect is owned by BioWare which is (was) owned by EA. So in order for another Mass Effect game, EA would have to rent their IP to another studio or have another internal team to develop the game.

But historically EA has been very very very reluctant to do rent or sell their IPs even when they're not doing anything with them.

So the chances of us ever seeing another Mass Effect or another Dragon Age at this point are effectively 0.

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u/Metalmatt91 7h ago

Larian is a private company owned primarily by Sven who oversees the development of the games as well. They aren’t beholden to share holders like most game companies.

They also paid to use the Baldur’s gate IP. So if someone was able to pay EA to create a new mass effect, it would be possible but I assume that bill will be far to step if EA would even agree.

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u/GapStock9843 7h ago

Baldur’s Gate is owned by wizards of the coast and was licensed to bioware and then to larian, bioware never owned the IP in any sense. Mass effect is owned by EA, and they sure as shit arent giving it to anyone else

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u/SwaggermicDaddy 7h ago

They don’t own the rights to Baldurs gate Wizards of the coast do and they are unbelievably controlling of their ips in the same league as Games Workshop. In addition Larian isn’t even allowed to produce more baldurs titles it did so well wizards took direct control back so they can maximize profits on the next game.

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u/PickingPies 7h ago

Independency. That's what indie means. They paid for the project. They owe nothing to anyone but themselves.

It's literally the capitalist class who have broken major studios. In order to pay investors they need to cut content, avoid risk, and squeeze money from the users. All the studios who ended up having investors to fund their exponential growth during the ps2-ps4 era cannot take a dump without the shareholder's approval.

Shareholders are the reason behind all enshittification.

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u/Ikitou_ 7h ago

Absolutely the IP could be licensed to someone else, the trouble is funding it. Wealthy independent studios with the means to self-fund a AAA rpg aren't super common, so the expectation is EA would need to pick a studio and pay for development.

If they aren't willing to keep paying for BioWare to make it it's hard to see them throwing that money at anyone else.

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u/Emmangt 7h ago

I want a Baldur's Gate Larian's gameplay style for a ME game

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u/Thebritishdovah 6h ago

I think, at the time, the IP was just sitting there and EA just didn't care for it. Sold it off. That or licensing and Larian was deemed of cheap enough studio or small enough that if they did fuck it up, it wouldn't harm the brand.

They didn't fuck it up and got a massive boast. Went from an underrated studio to a very beloved one.

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u/RankedFarting 6h ago

Larian basically made the exact type of game and has been very successful at it in the AA space. BG3 was a no brainer for them. But i cant think of a company that makes games like MassEffect.

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u/Jaives 6h ago

Bioware doesn't earn the IP. same goes when they lost star wars after the KOTOR games so they repurposed what they had into Mass Effect.

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u/Willing-Customer-327 6h ago

I mean, just give Mass Effect to Larian haha

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u/Sbotkin 6h ago

To add to what others said, Larian also explicitly said they will never touch anything WotC-related with a foot-long stick again, ever. Their IP management is that bad apparently (which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who knows Hasbro tbh).

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u/Eurehetemec N7 6h ago

But how was Larian able to procure and publish Baldur's Gate 3?

More by luck than judgement.

Larian had been begging WotC to let them doing BG3 or at least "a D&D game" for several years, and WotC had been turning them down. WotC tried to get other companies to do a BG3, but that all fell apart. Then the guy in charge of licencing D&D saw how good Divinity 2 was looking, and how well it was selling, and he got back to Larian to suggest they pitch again. They did, and basically because WotC had no other credible options, they took a risk on what was then a small-but-growing company.

And of course then they behaved so shittily after BG3 released Larian stopped working with them lol.

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u/Jwells291 5h ago

Think of it like Star Wars. At the end of the day, Disney owns Star Wars and when the EA contract ended and wasn't renewed, other studios like Ubisoft and Fuse(Galactic Racer Devs) who are outside of EA were able to make "Primary" Star Wars games(Primary games are mainstay games. Think the Jedi games and Battlefront. Non-Primary are things like Lego Star Wars and the MMO, things that are either not canon to the Universe or are comfort games like the Skywalker Saga).

Baldur's Gate is set in the Dungeons & Dragons Universe which is owned by Wizards of the Coast, meaning they allow studios like Larian and Invoke to make games set in the Dungeons & Dragons Universe like Baldur's Gate and the upcoming Warlock game is.

EA does own the Mass Effect IP, which means they can give another studio the chance to make another game, but it would also be an EA studio that makes it so don't expect someone outside of EA like Larian coming in and doing so.

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u/Okra-Tung-Supply 5h ago

"Is there any chance a smaller studio could get rights to Mass Effect to make it?"

Yes. From EA.

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u/0235 5h ago

Flexibility, it is that simple. If you pose a project to EA, you will make it exactly as you proposed.

I think back to Maxis and Sim City, when then was swept away by Cities Skylines. That Sim CIty still had more depth than cities skylines had on release, but SC was bunged by always online requirements, and a feeling that multiplayer nerfed the games map size. CITIES Skylines had neither.

But developers said, that is what they pitched to EA. An online mixed experience of constant progression of other players around you. And when they figured out they COULDN'T do that without seriously cutting the map size, and forcing always on, EA wouldn't let them budge, even if it meant releasing a bad game.

I doubt EA policy has changed much since then. And it either leads to over cancelling projects, instead of re-working them, or releasing a bad product.

It also forces stifled creativity. Studios dont want to risk a lofty project (Pandemic (RIP my kings) and the batman game) where they realised they just couldnt do it with the scope they wanted to, so got shut down for failing to meet a loft ambition.

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u/Mizu005 5h ago

So, sometimes a company thats owns an IP but has no interest in making certain kinds of fiction out of it will....Uh, probably easiest to describe it as 'rent it out' to a company that convinces them with a good sales pitch that there is money to be made. Hasbro had no expertise in making a game like BG3 or interest in putting in the work to build up that infrastructure, so they rented the IP out to Larian for one game. Which was fortunate for Larian, in hindsight. Because Hasbro are a bunch of dicks they don't want to work with ever again so its good they didn't sign a contract for making more then one game.

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u/midnightshadow0005 4h ago

The Baldurs Gate games were listened D&D games. The License used to be with BioWare (which made the original Baldur’s Gate) and then went to Black Isle (which was working on its own BG3 before it went under) but now Larian has it. 

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u/Aelia_M 4h ago

Hasbro/WotC owns the title. BioWare was given the license to make the games by TSR and TSR was bought by WotC and WotC was bought by hasbro

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u/MovieNightPopcorn 4h ago

Wizards of the Coast owns that IP, not Larian/Bioware. Same with Disney and KOTOR.

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u/andthesoftskeleton 3h ago

I don't know but I HOPE SO. Ever since I played BG3 I thought the turn based combat and party system would have made for an amazing Mass Effect game.

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u/thekusaja 3h ago

Well, one thing is Larian's ownership situation is infinitely better. I hope they don't lose control of their own destiny. That was a big part of what ended up hurting Bioware in the long run.

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u/PositiveEffective946 2h ago

Basically yes. The approached Wizards of the Coast about making a third Baldurs Gate but were denied as WotC were wary of just letting anyone use the license and found Larian were not established and big enough yet to be given the keys to the IP, Larian went away and cooked with the Divinity Original Sin series which were basically only really even funded because of successsful Kickstarter campaigns.

The success of them is well known especially the second game and thus Wizards relented and gave them the shot at making Baldurs Gate 3. Issue is for all its success both financially and critically it is still someone else's IP and is why they have zero interest in making a fourth one despite Wizards being ok with the idea and instead going back to Divinity for their next game.

Could a smaller studio get access to Mass Effect or Dragon Age for that matter? Entirely up to the new Saudi owners of EA, they could well license it out but it NOT being the third parties IP means they will have to work around sentiments of EA on everything from the lore to the well... less approved things over there (no more blue lesbian sex scenes for you!). With Larian backtracking on doing anyone elses IPs there are not many left with the experience and prestige to pull off a Mass Effect. The likes of OwlCat games certainly could because they have yet to release a flop yet and actively always work with others IPs as seen with Pathfinder, Warhammer 40k and now The Expanse for very deep RPG experiences and characters but yeah their slate is already full (they're doing three games concurrent at the moment whilst also doing a second season of DLC for Rogue Trader) so honestly who can pull it off whilst also being willing to do it vs just making their own shit? Obsidian come to mind as another who could do it justice (like they have with everything from Fallout New Vegas to KOTOR 2 in the past aka making critically loved games using others IPs) but they now infamously are gonna be focusing on the Fallout brand under the Bethesda leadership after a Microsoft reshuffle.

That does not leave many other with the studios with the size, experience and financial backing enough to even make a Mass Effect game never mind a good one.

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u/Guardian_of_theBlind 2h ago

the chance is almost 0%, because EA won't license out or sell mass effect.

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u/Flashy_Yesterday_476 2h ago

Bank on Owlcat releasing a good Expanse game to maybe scratch the Mass Effect adjacent itch, becauae EA will never release the Mass Effect IP.