r/cfs • • Nov 10 '24

Official Stuff MOD POST: New members read these FAQs before posting! Here’s stuff I wish I’d known when I first got sick/before I was diagnosed:

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Hi guys! I’m one of the mods here and would like to welcome you to our sub! I know our sub has gotten tons of new members so I just wanted to go over some basics! It’s a long post so feel free to search terms you’re looking for in it. The search feature on the subreddit is also an incredible tool as 90% of questions we get are FAQs. If you see someone post one, point them here instead of answering.

Our users are severely limited in cognitive energy, so we don’t want people in the community to have to spend precious energy answering basic FAQs day in and day out.

MEpedia is also a great resource for anything and everything ME/CFS. As is the Bateman Horne Center website. Bateman Horne has tons of different resources from a crash survival guide to stuff to give your family to help them understand.

Here’s some basics:

Diagnostic criteria:

Institute of Medicine Diagnostic Criteria on the CDC Website

This gets asked a lot, but your symptoms do not have to be constant to qualify. Having each qualifying symptom some of the time is enough to meet the diagnostic criteria. PEM is only present in ME/CFS and sometimes in TBIs (traumatic brain injuries). It is not found in similar illnesses like POTS or in mental illnesses like depression.

ME/CFS (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), ME, and CFS are all used interchangeably as the name of this disease. ME/CFS is most common but different countries use one more than another. Most patients pre-covid preferred to ME primarily or exclusively. Random other past names sometimes used: SEID, atypical poliomyelitis.

How Did I Get Sick?

-The most common triggers are viral infections though it can be triggered by a number of things (not exhaustive): bacterial infections, physical trauma, prolonged stress, viral infections like mono/EBV/glandular fever/COVID-19/any type of influenza or cold, sleep deprivation, mold. It’s often also a combination of these things. No one knows the cause of this disease but many of us can pinpoint our trigger. Prior to Covid, mono was the most common trigger.

-Some people have no idea their trigger or have a gradual onset, both are still ME/CFS if they meet diagnostic criteria. ME is often referred to as a post-viral condition and usually is but it’s not the only way. MEpedia lists the various methods of onset of ME/CFS. One leading theory is that there seems to be both a genetic component of some sort where the switch it flipped by an immune trigger (like an infection).

-Covid-19 infections can trigger ME/CFS. A systematic review found that 51% of Long Covid patients have developed ME/CFS. If you are experiencing Post Exertional Malaise following a Covid-19 infection and suspect you might have developed ME/CFS, please read about pacing and begin implementing it immediately.

Pacing:

-Pacing is the way that we conserve energy to not push past our limit, or “energy envelope.” There is a great guide in the FAQ in the sub wiki. Please use it and read through it before asking questions about pacing!

-Additionally, there’s very specific instructions in the Stanford PEM Avoidance Toolkit.

-Some people find heart rate variability (HRV) monitoring helpful. Others find anaerobic threshold monitoring (ATM) helpful by wearing a HR monitor. Instructions are in the wiki.

-Severity Scale

Symptom Management:

Batenan Horne Center Clonical Care Guide is the gold standard for resources for both you and your doctor.

-Do NOT push through PEM. PEM/PENE/PESE (Post Exertional Malaise/ Post Exertional Neuroimmune Exhaustion/Post Exertional Symptom Exacerbation, all the same thing by different names) is what happens when people with ME/CFS go beyond our energy envelopes. It can range in severity from minor pain and fatigue and flu symptoms to complete paralysis and inability to speak.

-PEM depends on your severity and can be triggered by anythjng including physical, mental, and emotional exertion. It can come from trying a new medicine or supplement, or something like a viral or bacterial infection. It can come from too little sleep or a calorie deficit.

-Physical exertion is easy, exercise is the main culprit but it can be as small as walking from the bedroom to bathroom. Mental exertion would include if your work is mentally taxing, you’re in school, reading a book, watching tv you haven’t seen before, or dealing with administrative stuff. Emotional exertion can be as small as having a short conversation, watching a tv show with stressful situations. It can also be big like grief, a fight with a partner, or emotionally supporting a friend through a tough time.

-Here is an excellent resource from Stanford University and The Solve ME/CFS Initiative. It’s a toolkit for PEM avoidance. It has a workbook style to help you identify your triggers and keep your PEM under control. Also great to show doctors if you need to track symptoms.

-Lingo: “PEM” is an increase in symptoms disproportionate to how much you exerted (physical, mental, emotional). It’s just used singular. “PEMs” is not a thing. A “PEM crash” isn’t the proper way to use it either.

-A prolonged period of PEM is considered a “crash” according to Bateman Horne, but colloquially the terms are interchangeable.

Avoid PEM at absolutely all costs. If you push through PEM, you risk making your condition permanently worse, potentially putting yourself in a very severe and degenerative state. Think bedbound, in the dark, unable to care for yourself, unable to tolerate sound or stimulation. It can happen very quickly or over time if you aren’t careful. It still can happen to careful people, but most stories you hear that became that way are from pushing. This disease is extremely serious and needs to be taken as such, trying to push through when you don’t have the energy is short sighted.

-Bateman Horne ME/CFS Crash Survival Guide

Work/School:

-This disease will likely involve not being able to work or go to school anymore unfortunately for most of us. It’s a devastating loss and needs to be grieved, you aren’t alone.

-If you live in the US, you are entitled to reasonable accommodations under the ADA for work, school (including university housing), medical appointments, and housing. ME/CFS is a serious disability. Use any and every accommodation that would make your life easier. Build rest into your schedule to prevent worsening, don’t try to white knuckle it. Work and School Accommodations

Info for Family/Friends/Loved Ones:

-Watch Unrest with your family/partner/whoever is important to you. It’s a critically acclaimed documentary available on Netflix or on the PBS website for free and it’s one of our best sources of information. Note: the content may be triggering in the film to more severe people with ME.

-Jen Brea who made Unrest also did a TED Talk about POTS and ME.

-Bateman Horne Center Website

-Fact Sheet from ME Action

Long Covid Specific Family and Friends Resources Long Covid is a post-viral condition comprising over 200 unique symptoms that can follow a Covid-19 infection. Long Covid encompasses multiple adverse outcomes, with common new-onset conditions including cardiovascular, thrombotic and cerebrovascular disease, Type 2 Diabetes, ME/CFS, and Dysautonomia, especially Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS). You can find a more in depth overview in the article Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms, and recommendations.

Pediatric ME and Long Covid

ME Action has resources for Pediatric Long Covid

Treatments:

-Start out by looking at the diagnostic criteria, as well as have your doctor follow this to at least rule out common and easy to test for stuff US ME/CFS Clinician Coalition Recommendations for ME/CFS Testing and Treatment

-TREATMENT RECOMMENDATIONS

-There are currently no FDA approved treatments for ME, but many drugs are used for symptom management. There is no cure and anyone touting one is likely trying to scam you.

–Absolutely do not under any circumstance do Graded Exercise Therapy (GET) or anything similar to it that promotes increased movement when you’re already fatigued. It’s not effective and it’s extremely dangerous for people with ME. Most people get much worse from it, often permanently. It’s quite actually torture. It’s directly against “do no harm”

-ALL of the “brain rewiring/retraining programs” are all harmful, ineffective, and are peddled by charlatans. Gupta, Lightning Process (sometimes referred to as Lightning Program), ANS brain retraining, Recovery Norway, the Chrysalis Effect, The Switch, and DNRS (dynamic neural retraining systems), Primal Trust, CFS School. They also have cultish parts to them. Do not do them. They’re purposely advertised to vulnerable sick people. At best it does nothing and you’ve lost money, at worst it can be really damaging to your health as these rely on you believing your symptoms are imagined. The gaslighting is traumatic for many people and the increased movement in some programs can cause people to deteriorate. The chronically ill people who review them (especially on youtube) in a positive light are often paid to talk about it and paid to recruit people to prey on vulnerable people without other options for income. Many are MLM/pyramid schemes. We do not allow discussion or endorsements of these on the subreddit.

Physical Therapy/Physio/PT/Rehabilitation

-Physical therapy is NOT a treatment for ME/CFS. If you need it for another reason, there are resources below. It can easily make you worse, and should be approached with extreme caution only with someone who knows what they’re doing with people with ME

-Long Covid Physio has excellent resources for Long Covid patients on managing symptoms, pacing and PEM, dysautonomia, breathing difficulties, taste and smell disruption, physical rehabilitation, and tips for returning to work.

-Physios for ME is a great organization to show to your PT if you need to be in it for something else

Some Important Notes:

-This is not a mental health condition. People with ME/CFS are not any more likely to have had mental health issues before their onset. This a very serious neuroimmune disease akin to late stage, untreated AIDS or untreated and MS. However, in our circumstances it’s very common to develop mental health issues for any chronic disease. Addressing them with a psychologist (therapy just to help you in your journey, NOT a cure) and psychiatrist (medication) can be extremely helpful if you’re experiencing symptoms.

-We have the worst quality of life of any chronic disease

-However, SSRIs and SNRIs don’t do anything for ME/CFS. They can also have bad withdrawals and side effects so always be informed of what you’re taking. ME has a very high suicide rate so it’s important to take care of your mental health proactively and use medication if you need it, but these drugs do not treat ME.

-We currently do not have any FDA approved treatments or cures. Anyone claiming to have a cure currently is lying. However, many medications can make a difference in your overall quality of life and symptoms. Especially treating comorbidities. Check out the Bateman Horne Center website for more info.

-Most of us (95%) cannot and likely will not ever return to levels of pre-ME/CFS health. It’s a big thing to come to terms with but once you do it will make a huge change in your mental health. MEpedia has more data and information on the Prognosis for ME/CFS, sourced from A Systematic Review of ME/CFS Recovery Rates.

-Many patients choose to only see doctors recommended by other ME/CFS patients to avoid wasting time/money on unsupportive doctors.

-ME Action has regional facebook groups, and they tend to have doctor lists about doctors in your area. Chances are though unless you live in CA, Salt Lake City, or NYC, you do not have an actual ME specialist near you. Most you have to fly to for them to prescribe anything, However, long covid has many more clinic options in the US.

-The biggest clinics are: Bateman Horne Center in Salt Lake City; Center for Complex Diseases in Mountain View, CA; Stanford CFS Clinic, Dr, Nancy Klimas in Florida, Dr. Susan Levine in NYC.

-As of 2017, ME/CFS is no longer strictly considered a diagnosis of exclusion. However, you and your doctor really need to do due diligence to make sure you don’t have something more treatable. THINGS TO HAVE YOUR DOCTOR RULE OUT.

Period/Menstrual Cycle Facts:

-Extremely common to have worse symptoms during your period or during PMS

-Some women and others assigned female at birth (AFAB) people find different parts of their cycle they feel their ME symptoms are different or fluctuate significantly. Many are on hormonal birth control to help.

-Endometriosis is often a comorbid condition in ME/CFS and studies show Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) was found more often in patients with ME/CFS.

Travel Tips

-Sunglasses, sleep mask, quality mask to prevent covid, electrolytes, ear plugs and ear defenders.

-ALWAYS get the wheelchair service at the airport even if you think you don’t need it. it’s there for you to use.

Other Random Resources:

CDC stuff to give to your doctor

How to Be Sick: A Buddhist-Inspired Guide for the Chronically Ill and Their Caregivers by Toni Bernhard

NY State ME impact

a research summary from ME Action

ME/CFS Guide for doctors

Scientific Journal Article called “Advances in Understanding the Pathophysiology of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome”

Help applying for Social Security

More evidence to show your doctor “Evidence of widespread metabolite abnormalities in Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome: assessment with whole-brain magnetic resonance spectroscopy

Some more sites to look through are: Open Medicine Foundation, Bateman Horne Center, ME Action, Dysautonomia International, and Solve ME/CFS Initiative. MEpedia is good as well. All great organizations with helpful resources as well.


r/cfs • • 18h ago

Success Wednesday Wins (What cheered you up this week?)

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Welcome! This weekly post is a place for you to share any wins or moments that made you smile recently - no matter how big or how small.

Did you accomplish something this week? Use some serious willpower to practice pacing? Watch a funny movie? Do something new while staying within your limits? Tell us about it here!

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(Thanks to u/fuck_fatigue_forever for the catchy title)


r/cfs • • 6h ago

Activism Olympic Athlete with ME Beth Dobbin has written to the Prime Minister Andy Burnham

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Her letter reads as follows, link to BBC article at the end.

Dear Andy Burnham,

My name is Beth Dobbin and I'm an Olympian who represented Team GB at the Tokyo Olympics. I've gone from training 5 hours a day to being bed bound 22 hours a day, due to developing severe ME (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis) after subsequent Covid and Glandular Fever infections.

You may have seen my recent interview with BBC Sport. It's had over 1 million views on both Instagram and X, triple the amount of anything else posted around the same time. I believe this is a reflection of how many people are suffering with the same illness. There are over 400,000 people with an ME diagnosis in the UK. Charities estimate the actual figure is around 1.35 million due to it taking on average 6 years to receive a diagnosis. ME is almost always a post-viral illness, so the amount of people impacted since Covid has, and will continue to increase.

ME has been neglected and psychologised for years due to 80% of sufferers being women. It has received so little government funding for research over the years compared to other illnesses. As a consequence, there are no approved treatments. There are also currently no provisions within the NHS for severe ME patients (25% of those with ME). What other illness this prevalent would leave patients with nowhere to go within the NHS, or no specialists other than to seek private care?

Lastly, your government has said it wants to bring down the welfare bill. How can it do this without addressing and funding possibly the most obvious reason why people claim. The funding towards research would be significantly lower than the millions spent on PIP, Universal Credit and Carers Allowance over the years for those who can't work due to this illness. As you can see from the graphs below, the people claiming benefits due to ill health has been steadily rising since 2020. ME is often a post viral illness and now with Covid in circulation, this will continue to increase.

ME is so debilitating, severe patients are violently unwell, bedbound and can't even look after themselves, let alone work. To get the welfare bill down, I believe you need to fund research into this spiralling illness and help us all get our lives back.

From a fellow Northerner
Beth Dobbin OLY

BBC Article on her letter https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/articles/cmewe4x4vnk5o


r/cfs • • 5h ago

Encouragement I just wanted to say that if you are having a hard time right now, you are not alone❤️

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ME doesn’t just come with the issues of symptoms and missing out on things. There’s so much more. It can ruin relationships, make you feel like a burden, cause arguments, etc. I just wanted to say that whatever your are dealing with, we are all with you and I’m giving you virtual hugs🫂❤️ You are so incredibly strong and your battles does not make you less valuable.


r/cfs • • 11h ago

Politics Germany announces new research funding for post-infectious diseases, including PAIS (Long COVID & ME/CFS)

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Germany’s Federal Ministry of Research(BMFTR) has published a new fundingcall under the National Decade AgainstPost-Infectious Diseases, focusing on theunderlying mechanisms of Long COVIDand post-infectious ME/CFS.
The official announcement contains severalimportant points for the ME/CFS community.

1. Patient involvement isan explicit requirement
The funding call states that patients andtheir representatives must be includedas partners in research consortia.
Patient involvement should begin at theearliest stages and extend throughoutthe research process, including:
- Formulating research questions.
- Actively participating in and helpingshape the research process.

The call specifies that patient involvementshould be as intensive as makes sense forthe research question, with appropriatefunding allocated to it. The proposed approachand the role of patients must be explicitlydescribed in funding applications, and the quality of patient involvement will beassessed during the review process.

2. Research should distinguish ME/CFSsubgroups and disease mechanisms
A central goal is to identify mechanistically defined disease endotypes, taking clinical phenotypes into account. The long-term aim is to enable more precise diagnosis and treatment.
The call explicitly identifies clinically relevantsymptoms such as:
PEM (post-exertional malaise)
POTS (postural orthostatictachycardia syndrome)

as starting points for research approaches,alongside defined organ-specific damage.
It also calls for the identification of biomarkersthat can help stratify patient groups and thevalidation of biomarkers or biomarker signaturesthat distinguish relevant disease endotypes.
For ME/CFS, the announcement specifically requires comprehensive clinical phenotyping using established diagnostic criteria, suchas the Canadian Consensus Criteria (CCC)or Institute of Medicine (IOM) criteria.
Importantly, the document does not prescribe a fixed classification system in which allpatients must be assigned to specific PEM-or POTS-based subgroups. Rather, it calls for research to investigate clinically relevant symptoms and use them, together with biological mechanisms and biomarkers,to define meaningful disease endotypes.

3. Severely affected and houseboundpatients should be included
The research consortia should make effortsto include even the most severely affected and housebound patients. The additional costs associated with outreach and care for these patients can be covered by the funding.
This is particularly relevant for people who cannot participate in conventional research settings because of their illness severity.

4. What kind of research will be funded?
The call supports interdisciplinary research into the mechanisms underlying post-infectious ME/CFS and Long COVID, including:
Immune system, metabolic, cardiovascularand autonomic nervous system dysfunction.

Viral persistence or reactivation.

Biomarkers for diagnosis, prognosisand patient stratification.

Functional testing of disease mechanismsand their potential as therapeutic targets.

Preclinical research into newtreatment approaches.

Interventional clinical trials are explicitly excluded from this particular funding call.

5. Timeline
Application deadline for initial projectproposals: January 27, 2027.

Potential project duration: Up tothree years.

The funding is intended to generate evidencethat can ultimately improve prevention,diagnosis and treatment.


r/cfs • • 4h ago

Vent/Rant any overachievers who got the CFS?

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f19. I grew up as an overachiever all my life. I got my first CFS symptoms when I was 16, it was mild first, but now I'm bedbound for a whole year.

I have ALWAYS been the best in everything, I have always strived for the goal through pain, blood and tears. I planned to go to medical college, I was a brilliant child, I was a brilliant artist and there was NO ONE who could compare to me at my age. I understood anatomy too quickly, learned every muscle and bone, learned perspective so that I could imagine and draw any building from any angle, I was perfect. And, it seems that I outlived my dreams. It's all gone because of this fucking disease. Besides the fact that I can't get out of bed, I've forgotten everything I knew before.

I'm used to being the best no matter what it costs me, and don't tell me that "this is not normal, you need to accept your weak side" It was. At least for me It was an exciting journey to fight for first place and be the best, I had no issues with the pain I got from how hard I had to try, it felt awesome. It's been a part of my personality my whole life, and I loved living it. Now I don't even have the right to fight to take a shower or read a book, my body won't let me.

Are there any people who have had similar experience as me? Overachievers who ended up bedbounding. How do you cope with this? Surely, many will say that I need to accept this and try to move on with my new life, to live a calm, ordinary life. Without any achievements, without discoveries, without first, second, or third places. Not giving myself the right to compete with anyone at all. Living out my remaining days so that my name will only be on a tombstone. But this isn't what I want, but unfortunately, this life wasn't created by me, and I know I can't make anything about it. I'd like to hear other people's experiences or at least support or some hope (I don't know if it can be), not advice to resign myself to it or to see a therapist. Is there any hope here that my dreams are not lost?... I've lowered my expectations from myself as much as I can. and I don't think I can make it...

UPD: as I said, respectfully, please, don't tell me that all mentally healthy people are not overachievers and I must allow myself to live like an ordinary person without proving anything to myself or others. I understand that the CFS is very draining and exhausting, but please ignore this post if this doesn't sound like your experience or you can't give me any advice (I was recently diagnosed) on how to make it better (especially considering that I have ADHD+autism and it's hard for me to pace)


r/cfs • • 5h ago

Remission/Improvement/Recovery Weather has been good for the first time in a while, took Sam out for some sunbathing!

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I posted about my emotional support pigeon a while ago and didn't expect all the kind feedback. Thank you!


r/cfs • • 2h ago

TW: Suicidal Ideation how do you get over how scary it is

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sorry for 2 posts in a day. i really just can’t do it. how do you deal with how terrifying this is. i’m so fuckign terrified almost 24/7. i sedate myself with klonopin and benadryl as much as possible to keep myself from having extreme panic attacks or psychotic breaks that exacerbate my crash cycle. i am living in constant terror. i think my heart is going to give out from fear alone and i honestly hope it does soon. i can’t live this way


r/cfs • • 8h ago

Voting: Another thing that is 100x harder for disabled people

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I've wasted so much energy trying to get a mail-in ballot this year. I don't have the spoons to type it all out, and why there have been so many delays. Suffice it to say I live in a US state where it's not easy.

When/if I actually get the mail-in ballot, it will be a lot of reading long paragraphs to make sure I do it right. No one to help me. Then who knows if it will actually be delivered.

Meanwhile a family member stood in line for an hour to vote and she's done. This was no big deal to her at all. A minor annoyance to spend her lunch break on.

So tired of everything being 100x harder for us. So tired of every election being a source of stress for weeks as I try to f*ing vote.


r/cfs • • 4h ago

Severe ME/CFS Looking for Online Penpal Who Also Has ME/CFS

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Hello! I'm 27F from Canada and living with severe ME/CFS, along with POTS, MCAS, & PMOS.

I don't currently feel seen or understood by my healthy friends/family. It's not their fault, it's just not possible to really understand what it's like to live with ME if you don't have it.

I'm looking to befriend a fellow ME patient and exchange emails. I can't stick to a strict schedule because of my conditions but I'm hoping to communicate roughly every 2-3 weeks, maybe more if we hit it off. I hope we can share our daily experiences of illness and find kinship/support in each other. I would prefer to chat with someone who also has severe ME, or moderate-severe.

I joined ME Discord and Facebook groups but found them too overwhelming, which is why I'm looking to just chat with one person.

Before ME, I worked in social services and loved to read and craft. I loved going to art museums, the theater, bookstores, and thrift shops. I'm queer, so I hope you're also queer or an ally.

If it sounds like we could be a good match, please send me a DM. <3


r/cfs • • 7h ago

The Physics Girl and ME/CFS/LC Podcast

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Dianna Cowern's post-COVID illness, diagnostic failures, partial treatment response, and ongoing research. https://www.kpbs.org/podcasts/the-finest/physics-girl-spent-her-life-explaining-science-then-science-couldnt-explain-her-illness (Transcript available)


r/cfs • • 12h ago

TW: General extremely severe - my doctor will no acknowledge that i may not improve

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i don’t even know what to say. i was asking her to fill out a form for SSA and she was like “answer these based on your baseline not right now” as if this isn’t my new baseline. my parents were there to speak on my behalf since i can’t talk and she said not to get stuck in the idea that i’ll be on disability the rest of my life because “mindset is a big part of recovery”. just pushing the learned helplessness narrative. she encouraged me to go outside every day for short periods of time which i cannot tolerate and my parents will now use that as justification that i am at fault for not getting better. i also may lose my benefits because of the way she filled out the form. i don’t want to do this anymore everyone is working against me and i have no hope. they’d all act shocked and offended if i told them i didn’t want to live anymore

TLDR: both my doctors and my parents have a recovery fantasy that they push onto me and refuse to meet me where im at. any lack of improvement will be blamed on my failure to think positively or not get caught in a “victim mindset”. the emotional toll this is taking on me is not just preventing me from improving but making me worse


r/cfs • • 5h ago

Activism Explain ME on a Podcast

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I’m going to be speaking on a friends healthcare podcast tomorrow about chronic illness.

I need help with answering the initial question of explaining what I live with - basically, what is ME. I want to bring as much awareness to ME as possible and explain it well enough that it really gets the devastation across to the audience who undoubtedly haven’t heard of it, or don’t know much about it.

The episode is about living with chronic illness as a woman, and the difficulties for women to be heard and diagnosed and treated in the healthcare system.

Any help or language you all have would be greatly appreciated!!


r/cfs • • 11h ago

Sleep Issues Went to the GP with chronic insomnia. Rant needed.

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So today I finally pushed myself to go to the GPs to discuss worsening chronic insomnia.

It's always been an issue for me as a ME/CFS sufferer, but sporadically, normally when I've pushed too far into PEM territory.

The last few months, I'm lucky if I'm getting 5 hours a night, so as I am also peri-menopausal, I thought I will go see if there's any new options.

I was given an appointment with a doctor I have seen before, and found to be dismissive, but I thought maybe it was a bad day for her or something. Oh no, I was very right the first time. This is how the appointment went.

Dr - "Hello, (my name) I think we have seen each other before. What can I do for you today"

Me - "well my sporadic insomnia has become chronic, I'm lucky to get to sleep before 1am, and that's a good night. Obviously that impacts the fatigue side of my ME. Now that I am also peri-menopausal I was hoping there may be some other options as menopause is linked to insomnia"

Dr - " what exactly do you expect to come from this appointment?"

Me - "em? advice and options for moving forward?"

Dr - "OK. What does your normal day look like?"

Me - "well I take my morning tablets about 7 and then..."

Dr cuts me off - "briefly please"

Me - "Ok, well If I have anything I need to do..."

Dr cuts me off again "do you even leave the house?"

Me - "Only if I need to on a good day, otherwise..."

Dr AGAIN interrupts "and what about resting and sleeping"

Me, now getting pissed off - "well I have to rest in the afternoon, normally between 12&3, with a bit of actual sleep in there, and as for bed..."

Dr again - "well if you're in bed for 3 hours a day then you can't sleep at night. Good sleep hygiene is not being in bed unless sleeping or being intimate." (yes she genuinely said that)

Me - "yes, I understand that, but I have to look at advice through the lens on my CFS and pacing..."

Dr, now getting shitty back "and you did ask for my opinion. Now regarding your periods..."

Basically I went for insomnia and came away with a hormone level blood test, ultrasound on my womb, told that if I need an internal exam I should have made that clear at the start (shockingly - I did not want a cervical exam for my insomnia).

Biggest waste of time and effort. One positive is I can safely refuse to see this GP again for ANYTHING.

People wonder how we end up disengaged from the medical system. The ONLY silver lining is that at least I'm not in the US amd paying through the nose to be ridiculed and dismissed.


r/cfs • • 6h ago

Research News The Off-Label Toolkit: The Cardiology Drug Targeting the Energy Crisis

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This gives me so much hope.


r/cfs • • 15h ago

Doctors GP rant

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Visited a new GP - someone who apparently specialising in chronic illness. They proceeded to tell me about the Mind/Body relationship, and that if I learn to calm down my nervous system will right itself and I will fully recover from ME. I hate that this is what GPs think they're allowed to say to people who live with chronic pain, fatigue, PEM and brain fog (to name a few). She proceeded to smile brightly at me and tell me how fascinated she is by ME, and how the brain can make someone so ill to make force you to rest. 😭😤 AND she poo-poo'd the biomedical approach because there isn't enough evidence.

I'm tired of being told it's in my f'ing head! I'm literally with the cardiologist because I'm tachycardic (suspected POTS). My brain didn't just decide to stop cooperating one day!

Update: thanks everyone for the reassurance I'm not being overly sensitive because I'm irritated/hurt/gaslit ❤️


r/cfs • • 2h ago

How was your vertical leap, back in the day?

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I'm interested in a mad theory about nerves and ME/CFS - and apparently a common way of testing nervous system capacity is the vertical leap.

My own vertical leap has almost always been hilariously poor, long before I got sick. I wonder if my nervous system was perhaps always slightly underperforming and whether that created a vulnerability.

(The nerves obviously tell the muscles what to do, perhaps mine were never firing fast?)

I was not a bad a distance runner at my peak, however. I'd be particularly interested in hearing if that's more common among us, pre illness - fit and strong but maybe never explosive?

More 5km races won than 100m races? That sort of thing.

Thanks! This is all just very early simple hypothesis testing. If our ranks include loads of former basketball stars and sprinters the hypothesis probably fails!


r/cfs • • 4h ago

Activism I’m wanting to make a video to spread awareness and to make us visible to other people. You can be apart of it

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Nothing professional, just another sufferer wanting to do whatever I can to help you all. Send me a short video of you where you say “I’m here”. You can also send a photo of yourself or a video where you don’t speak and I will add the text: “I’m here”. It doesn’t matter if you look ill and it doesn’t matter if you don’t feel your best. We need to show them the reality. I’m hoping we can get as many as possible to participate. We can’t let them forget about us and be invisible forever. The video will be posted on TikTok and YouTube.

I’m thinking I’ll need at least 10-20 to make a video but as many as possible would be best.


r/cfs • • 8h ago

Is anyone else so exhausted that they can only manage to talk for two minutes a day?

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Is anyone else so exhausted that they can only manage to talk for two minutes a day?

On “good” days (although, honestly, no day is ever really good 😌), I can manage a little longer (10 minutes max). On bad days, not at all.


r/cfs • • 7h ago

Severe ME/CFS Too fatigued to eat or drink but not eating/drinking makes things worse… advice?

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My issue is that chewing is too exhausting right now, but drinking a meal replacement shake is also difficult because due to my gastroparesis, I get full quickly, so it can take a while to finish a whole drink because I have to take breaks.

The more time I have to spend trying to take in an adequate amount of nutrition in a “meal”, the harder it gets to keep going, because I get so fatigued.

I also don’t have the energy to even microwave food for myself. And I have ARFID.

I’m also struggling a lot with orally hydrating for similar reasons, but at least I’m prescribed IV fluids to help with that.

Please share any tips and tricks for survival if you have the energy to spare.


r/cfs • • 15h ago

Success I saw migrating birds!

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Where I live, you can see migrating cranes this time of year, flying in their characteristic V formation in the sky.

I was only able to hear them due to being bedbound and having all windows covered. I heard some early this morning before my caregiver came and wistfully thought how nice it would be if some were to fly through the piece of sky I can see when the caregiver airs out my room, opening the windows wide.

And then that exact thing happened! I could hear the cranes, and then the flock crossed my view of the sky! I cried and laughed from gratitude and joy. It was so beautiful.

Also, I found a gynecologist who's willing to treat me via telehealth and trial progesterone for help with my sleep issues.

Yay.

And I dreamed I had recovered somewhat and could stand and walk and even cook again! Wonkily, but I could. It was so realistic as to include me being also a bit worried about PEM and becoming tired in the middle of cooking!


r/cfs • • 5h ago

How to change sheets with severe ME

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How do I get my bedsheets changed? Is it possible without crashing? I’m bed bound 100% lying flat so I can’t move to somewhere else.

Would someone need to carry me and lay me in the floor?
Does anyone have any experience?


r/cfs • • 7h ago

Activities/Entertainment Got me a wave lamp

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I've wanted one for absolutely ages but I was worried they were a bit of a scam. They had some in aldi over the weekend and they were only cheap so I asked my parents to grab me one. The photo doesn't do it justice, it really does look like the waters reflecting off the ceiling.

It's nice to have something to look at that will keep me calm and entertained (I could watch it for hours) but that isn't going to take too much out of me.


r/cfs • • 4h ago

Need a ME aware doctor in Los Angeles area

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I posted a month ago but the referrals from USC were booked when I called. I am paying a LOT out of pocket for an excellent doctor the past couple years and he has found what helps me (LDN, Midodrine, low dose Klonopin, etc) but now I’m mainly paying him to prescribe these meds and I can’t really afford it too much longer. Without these meds I feel so much worse.

I’m looking for a primary doctor (or any doctor) who is ok with prescribing off label meds like these and would be open to trying other stuff and is ME aware and who takes my health insurance (blue shield) if anyone knows of someone pls let me know or dm me.

Thank you !!


r/cfs • • 3h ago

Can PEM happen after only a few hours?

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I have long Covid with dysautonomi, and “chronic fatigue“ from them (as well as chronic pain) and I’ve been reading more about ME and what it actually is which has been bittersweet bc on one hand I feel validated but on the other I’ve been trying to (and failing) to follow things like GET that was recommended to me by a cardiologist. I def think I have PEM but il wondering about a certain instance.

i went to a dawn service for ANZAC day and wasn’t great but was “worth it” bc my dad was in the navy and it’s important to my family but I stood the whole time and later that day at like lunch I was like “I need to sleep” so I had a nap then I was nearly bed bound for days after and then graduated to laying on the couch until I could go back to school. it took like a week and a half I thin? we thought I was sick, had blood work done and it was all fine.

TLDR possible PEM happend a few hours after event which left me bedbound for over a week, could this be PEM?