r/allthequestions • u/CSachen • 1d ago
NSFW Question š Both Israel and Saudi Arabia receive US military support. Both are fighting Iranian proxies. Both conflicts have resulted in man-made famines and humanitarian crises. So why does only one make the news?
100,000 Yemini children have died from starvation in ongoing conflicts between Saudi Arabia with US aid against the Houthis with Iranian aid.
The UN printed this report as recently as 22 September 2026
https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/09/1168390
But why doesn't it make headlines in American newspapers? Why does no one talk about the influence of the Saudis over the White House?
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u/Archarchery 1d ago
Saudi Arabiaās military doesnāt receive direct funding from the US like Israelās does. Saudi Arabia pays for everything itself.
So Saudi Arabia is a US ally, but Israel is an outright client state funded by the US.
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
So because Saudi Arabia pays billions for US weapons and assets, it's fine that the US supplies and provides it with all the intelligence and logistical support it needs?
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u/NOLA-Bronco 1d ago
I imagine if Saudi Arabia started systematically murdering tens of thousands of children and spent a billion a year on aggressive unapologetic Saudi Arabia bot armies to harass and gaslight Americans incessantly. Telling them that opposing Saudi Arabia is racist and you should lose your job for criticizing the special relationship America and Saudi Arabia supposedly has.
It might get a commensurate level of backlash....
And proof to this is that there was in fact a whole month long cycle of broad backlash when Saudi Arabia did their shitty comedian tour to whitewash their country.
Now imagine that is also covering up 30k dead children and they keep trying to gaslight you 24/7 for 3 years straight Including still making threads like this one on Reddit with swarms of Zionist defenders descending to drop the same talking points
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
Saudi Arabia quite literally did spend years bombing Yemen and enacted a blockade that caused a famine, around 150,000 people were killed in direct violence and another 100,000-200,000 indirect deaths from famine and other conditions. Are you living under a rock?
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u/NOLA-Bronco 1d ago
and spent a billion a year on aggressive unapologetic Saudi Arabia bot armies to harass and gaslight Americans incessantly. Telling them that opposing Saudi Arabia is racist and you should lose your job for criticizing the special relationship America and Saudi Arabia supposedly has.
Example Exhibit A: YOU
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
I'm pretty sure the Russian, Iranian and Hamas bot armies have 100x more reach which was basically their entire strategy in this war
I think you just think anyone who disagrees with you is a bot, like ME
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u/200koipondfranchises 1d ago
Nobody has more reach in terms of propagandizing Americans online than our own government lol, why do you think Trump is buddy buddy with Musk, Zuckerberg, and Bezos
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u/samehouseing 8h ago
Bezos, the guy who owns Twitch? Whoās largest political streamer is a Marxist Leninist that they refuse to ban when he directly breaks their TOS by praising terrorist groups consuantly?
The same Twitch that removed itself from Israel for almost an entire year, allowing now people in Israel to create accounts?
The same Twitch that refuses to unban certain people known to be pro-Israeli?
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u/TheRverseApacheMastr 1d ago
Thereās a reason Russia sent Assange to The Canne Film Festival in a Free Palestine shirt. (Itās not because russia cares about human rights).
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u/Adamon24 1d ago
Did you seriously not know about the massive civilian deaths in Yemen?
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u/NOLA-Bronco 23h ago edited 23h ago
Think you need to read that post again and use some context clue skills to derive the point.
Saudi Arabia is an objectively awful US proxy doing plenty or terrible things and occasionally it does create outrage(the common attack on the left against Obama is expanding extrajudicial drone strikes, Libya, and backing Saleh and then Hadi in the face of the Arab Spring and the civil war fueled by our proxy), but it doesn't have the Streisand Effect of a billion dollars dumped to fund a Hasbara army that relentlessly keeps trying to gaslight about the greatness and innocence of their emotional support apartheid state. And it is also fundamentally a different dynamic. Yemen was a civil war, Palestine is an occupied territory subjected to systematic genocide.
I.E. The irony with Israel and its defense forces is that all the sustained and outsized attempts to control and censor American's over Israel has created its own blowback and ensures people's anger at Israel never goes away and just keeps deepening.
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u/Adamon24 23h ago
This might be hard for you āpeopleā to understandā¦
But when weāre discussing the ethics of backing foreign powers in wars that have killed tens or in the Saudi case hundreds of thousands of civilians - the deciding factor isnāt which one has a bigger online presence
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u/BroodyBird12345 2h ago
"30k dead children"
lol, lmao even
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u/NOLA-Bronco 2h ago
Please, travel all over Reddit doing more of this
Most of you Nazi Zionists don't realize how insane and depraved you all look to the rest of the world unironically doing holocaust denialism.
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u/DazedXxX7 1d ago
Just wanna point out that 90% of Israelās military is funded by Israeli taxpayers. Wouldnāt call it a client state tbh
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u/Fungiblewatch 1d ago edited 1d ago
Whose THAADs and patriot interceptors and long-range munitions are being depleted fighting Israelās war on Iran? Whose bases were obliterated? Not Israel, the U.S.Ā
Israel conserved their stockpiles while Americaās were drained.
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u/DazedXxX7 1d ago
I never said anything about that, but Trumps stupid ass thought regime change in Iran would be easy. Thatās the only reason those bases were destroyed. Trump being an ignorant fool. I guess pissing on the Russians in Ukraine probably didnāt help those bases either.
And thanks for proving my point. Israel is far from a client state.5
u/Fungiblewatch 1d ago
Who was trumpās biggest donors? Israel-firsters like Miriam Adelson?
Who was mentioned in the Epstein emails thousands of times? Trump?Ā
Who was accused by ex-Israeli intelligenceĀ Ari Ben-Menashe and ex-ciaĀ John Kiriakou of being a Mossad agent to gatherĀ sexual blackmail/honeytrap activities targeting influential people? Epstein?
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u/DazedXxX7 1d ago
I get youāre obsessed with Trump and/or Israel but Iām not. Iām also not wasting my time on conspiracy theories. I donāt even know what youāre trying to prove because I never mentioned any of this shit.
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u/NotGalenNorAnsel 11h ago
What did they say that was incorrect?
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u/DazedXxX7 10h ago
His comments got more and more off topic. I donāt mind shitting on Trump because he is a buffoon but I commented about Israelās funding. Not all this mumbo-jumbo bullshit.
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u/Fungiblewatch 8h ago
Youāre literally the one that brought up Trump saying heās the only reason any of this happened.Ā
And I responded to that by saying thereās a pro Israel cabal that helped get him in power and pushed him into the war.
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u/Stoked_Otter 1d ago
"America only directly funds 10% of the holocaust" isn't quite the defense of the situation that you might think it is.
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u/Raligon 12h ago
Comparing the Holocaust to what's happening in Gaza is ridiculous. The death toll in Gaza is around 70k-80k. The Holocaust was six million Jews alone, not even counting other victims. ~66% of Jews that lived in all of Europe were killed, not Jews in Germany or Poland alone. Around 3-4% of the Palestinians in Gaza specifically have been killed. If you look at the total Palestinian population in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, it is around 1%.
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u/No_Coast3932 9h ago
It's disrespectful regardless of exact numbers. The Holocaust was a massive, world-wide initiative, tracking Jews down in other countries to attempt to annhiliate the entire worldwide population and culture.
It would be like if Israel intentionally and successfully murdered the entire population of the West Bank and Gaza, and then conquered nearly all the Arab countries in the world, killing most/all the Arabs in those nations as well, with only tiny populations who fled surviving.
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u/Stoked_Otter 8h ago
Not gonna have this argument here but every number you cite is incorrect and skewed to fit your permanent victim narrative.
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u/Solid_Bobcat2267 1d ago
Israel is the biggest ever recipient of US aid with 318 billion USD received so far
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u/Enodios 19h ago
Agree. If it was a client state the money would be flowing the other way. USA has been conned into paying tribute
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u/DazedXxX7 19h ago
Letās not be delusional even though it might be hard for you.
They are a strategic ally that some Americans back with money.1
u/stevie_balemi 19h ago
Oh for sure only some Americans where āsome Americansā == all tax paying Americans. But thatās only a few of us
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u/DazedXxX7 19h ago edited 17h ago
I meant lobbying but I guess that applies as well. If you really cared where your tax dollars went, youād be aware aid to Israel is insignificant compared to the budget. None of us taxpayers have spent a lot per capita on Israel, unless $25/year is for you?
After Oct 7th that jumped to 110/year. Thatās not a sum Iāll even attempt to care about šš
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u/stevie_balemi 18h ago
āI guess that appliesā he says in response to $300 B in aid
But yeah if you divide by year and then divide by population then the number gets small. Real big brain move there genius
You know what Israelis call people like you? Freier
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u/DazedXxX7 17h ago edited 16h ago
Oh yes the 300b over the last 80 yearsā¦
Iāve updated the numbers to a rough calculation instead of what Gemini spit out. To say the least itās still insignificant.
I donāt know what Israelis call me and i donāt care what you think theyād call me
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u/stevie_balemi 9h ago
Yeah seems you donāt care about much at all. And proud of it too yeah? What do you care about? Do you care about our massive deficit? Itād be one thing if we actually had the money we give away but we donāt. We sign checks that our children and grandchildren will have to pay
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u/DazedXxX7 9h ago
I care about my family, my friends and at times my neighbors. I donāt care about things I canāt change or that are far away.
Though I do care about the massive deficit/debt I understand both sides are responsible with no real way out.
Just interest, Medicare, SS and the military consume almost all tax revenues. Good luck finding anyone willing to seriously cut any of them.Of course our children and grandchildren will have to pay but Iāll make sure mine are well taken care of regardless.
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u/Ambitious-Hair-2813 1d ago
And Israel funding isn't dollars; it's a subsidy towards the cost of military purchased from US Defence contractors.
The money goes to US citizens working for them.
Israel is also typically the first country to use that technology in actual combat against Islamic extremists- that information is fed back to the contractor to make their technology better.
Sounds more like a partnership than a vassal state.
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u/Solid_Bobcat2267 1d ago
Framing the slaughter of a captive population as a 'partnership' where Israel acts as a live-fire R&D laboratory to feed information back to American defense contractors is peak dystopian propaganda.Ā
First, you are repeating the same economically illiterate point. Money is fungible. When the US subsidizes Israelās defense bill, it frees up billions in Israel's domestic budget to pay for universal healthcare , free education and paid vacations - something the American taxpayers footing the bill don't even get.
Further, your claim that 'the money goes to US citizens working for them' is incredibly naive. The vast majority of defense contractor revenue doesn't go to factory workers; it goes directly to executives and Wall Street shareholders via stock buybacks and dividends. You are cheering for trickle-down corporate welfare funded by the working class.ĀSecond, a partnership implies mutual benefit. As the other commenter just pointed out, the US is draining its own critical Patriot and THAAD interceptor stockpiles and having its own bases obliterated to fight Israel's wars. The US pays the bill and takes the military blowback, while Israel gets free weapons, beta-tests them on civilians, and actively conserves its own stockpiles.Ā
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u/Foukes-Ahsun 1d ago
Makes sense, but doesnāt that just shift the spotlight instead of changing the story?
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u/BlackjackENA 1d ago
One reason: The amount of U.S. aid to Israel dwarfs aid to Saudi Arabia. The U.S. contributions to Israel include direct military aid ($3.8 billion per year), supplemental aid ($175 billion since 1946), qualitative military edge access to technology, and about $6.5 billion in arms sales (current 2026). U.S. contributions to Saudi Arabia include $9 billion in arms sales.
Another reason: news organizations have largely suppressed famine and humanitarian crises coverage, whether Gaza or Yemen.
I have seen coverage of Saudi influence, and Israeli influence, but certainly Israel has dominated that coverage.
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
The US arguably provides more aid indirectly to Saudi Arabia in the form of protection and support. Saudi Arabia likely couldn't survive as a country without US support
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u/Solid_Bobcat2267 1d ago
Claiming one of the richest petrostates on earth 'couldn't survive' without US support is absolute delusion.Ā
Saudi Arabia actually pays for its American weapons using its own massive sovereign wealth - as the previous commenter pointed out, the US does $9 billion in actual sales with them. In contrast, Israel receives direct, non-repayable billions stripped right out of American taxpayers' pockets. There is a massive difference between being a transactional arms customer and being a welfare dependent.Ā
On top of that, Saudi Arabia has one of the most well-funded militaries in the world. Before Israel and the US dragged the region into a massive escalating war with Iran, Saudi Arabia was perfectly capable of managing its own regional security, including the Houthis.
The only country in the Middle East that is currently proving it cannot survive without the US military intercepting its incoming missiles, physically manning its defense bases, and funding its domestic budget is Israel. Projecting that extreme, parasitic dependency onto Saudi Arabia is just desperate deflection
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
This isn't a hypothetical, it's quite literally already happened. In 1990 when Saddam took Kuwait, Saudi Arabia would have been the next target had the US not intervened. Iraqi troops were massed at the Saudi border with its oil fields within reach.
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u/Solid_Bobcat2267 1d ago
Reaching back 36 years to the 1990 Gulf War as your sole example completely proves my point.Ā
First. The US intervention in the Gulf War wasn't some selfless act of foreign charity - it was pure strategic self-interest to protect global oil markets and prevent a massive global energy crisis. If Saddam had taken the Saudi oil fields, a hostile dictator would have held a stranglehold over the entire global economy.
Further, Saudi Arabia literally paid tens of billions of dollars out of pocket to cover the costs of that US military deployment. They were a paying customer financing a mutual-interest coalition, not a welfare dependent.Second, in the nearly four decades since 1990, Saudi Arabia used its own massive sovereign wealth to build one of the most heavily funded militaries in the world.
Meanwhile, Israel receives an automatic, non-repayable multi-billion-dollar allowance directly out of American taxpayers pockets every single year - regardless of whether there is an active crisis. In an active crisis they receive even more.There is a massive difference between a wealthy petrostate paying the US to protect shared global oil supplies 36 years ago, and Israel extracting permanent, unconditional, non-repayable taxpayer welfare every single year while actively dragging the US into endless regional wars.
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
It proves your point that Saudi Arabia isn't vulnerable without US support because it was 36 years ago when Iraq would have conquered Saudi Arabia without US intervention, not more recently?
I'm not arguing that the US does any of this out of charity, or even that we shouldn't be doing it. It was probably smart not to let Saudi Arabia fall to Saddam.
It's just pretty common knowledge that Saudi Arabia's military has a bunch of fancy weapons money can buy and tons of logistical and intelligence support, but weak domestic capabilities. It's not quite a paper tiger but it hasn't really fought a real war in its history aside from Yemen where it mainly used foreign militias on the ground alongside its air force with intelligence and targeting from the US and UK. It isn't a coincidence that the crown prince just asked Trump to intervene with the Houthis.
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u/Solid_Bobcat2267 1d ago
Notice how fast the goalposts shifted? You went from claiming Saudi Arabia 'couldn't survive as a country' to pointing out they asked Trump for help with the Houthis.Ā
And what happened? Trump turned them down, didn't intervene, and Saudi Arabia is handling its security itself.
Dealing with asymmetric border skirmishes against non-state actors in Yemen - their only military engagement since 1990 - is not an existential threat.Crucially, Saudi Arabia is a sovereign, transactional buyer on the open global market. They buy billions in hardware with cold hard cash not just from the US, but from the UK, France, and the EU. Historically, they are the UK's largest defense customer. If the US stops selling to them, Saudi Arabia simply takes its sovereign wealth to Europe, China, or Russia.Ā
In contrast, the US gives Israel direct, non-repayable billions stripped from American taxpayers. If the US cuts Israel off, Israel can't just 'pivot and buy' on the open market, because they depend on American taxpayers to foot the bill in the first place.Ā
If relying on foreign hardware or asking for regional leverage makes a military a 'paper tiger', what do you call Israel? Israel is the country currently requiring billions in US aid, American carrier strike groups, US troops physically manning THAAD batteries on their soil, political cover, UN vetoes and endless free taxpayer-funded ammunition just to keep its airspace intact. Confusing an independent commercial customer with an actual welfare dependent is completely nonsensical.
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
The Houthis aren't an existential threat to Saudi Arabia, at least not yet.
My point is that buying weapons alone is not enough. Military equipment is great but it also takes domestic resolve and warfighting capabilities, Saudi Arabia is extremely soft in that respect. Saddam's invasion was just the clearest example of that. Very few countries in the region outside of Turkey, Israel and Pakistan have real armies that can fight wars.
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u/Solid_Bobcat2267 1d ago
It is hilarious that you specifically named Turkey, Pakistan, and Egypt as the only 'real armies' in the region. You clearly missed the recent news then? in August, Saudi Arabia signed the Mecca Joint Defense Agreement - a NATO-style mutual defense pact - with Turkey and Pakistan. Further, Egypt is currently mobilizing to support it.Ā
By your own admission, Saudi Arabia just secured a defensive alliance with the strongest militaries in the region - and they did it entirely independent of the United States.Ā
That is exactly what a sovereign, wealthy power does. They use their geopolitical leverage and financial capital to build regional security architectures on their own terms. They don't need to beg the US to fight their battles because they have the diplomatic power to align with regional heavyweights.Compare that to Israel. Israel requires the United States to physically park carrier strike groups off its coast, send endless free ammunition, and deploy American troops onto Israeli soil to man their THAAD batteries just to keep its airspace from collapsing.
One country uses its wealth to build independent, sovereign defense pacts. The other is entirely dependent on American taxpayers and US troops for its baseline survival. The difference is night and day.
I think that settles it right. Saudi is obviously surviving without US support.
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
Everyone understands this is a symbolic alliance and means almost nothing. Saudi Arabia is being attacked right now and neither is going to go to war for it. All of this is also in context of Saudi's current position including its US support.
If you actually want to understand why gulf countries are so militarily and societally weak, this is a good book on it. Countries like Saudi are organized along tribal lines, the insane amount of resource wealth makes them rich but very inefficient and lazy, and militaries are organized more around loyalty, preserving the ruling family, rooting out political opposition and domestic stability than fighting actual wars.
Armies of Arabia: Military Politics and Effectiveness in the Gulf | Oxford Academic
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u/Electro-Choc 1d ago
Dude they're literally losing to Houthis right now
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u/Solid_Bobcat2267 1d ago
Getting hit by sporadic drone and missile strikes on oil depots or airports doesn't mean a country is 'losing'. There is no Houthi ground invasion of Saudi Arabia. There is no mass destruction of Saudi cities, no mass casualties, and zero existential threat to the Saudi state.Ā
It is asymmetric border harassment, not a military defeat.The fact remains: Saudi Arabia is an independent economic powerhouse absorbing regional friction on its own terms. Meanwhile, Israel is entirely dependent on the US to physically man its missile defense systems, park warships off its coast, and inject tens of billions into its war economy just to keep it functioning. Confusing a drone strike on an Aramco facility with state collapse is just desperateš¤·
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u/Agitated_Celery_729 20h ago
America lost to the fucking Taliban and literally handed Afghanistan back to them after 2 decades of fighting.
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u/thrivehh 1h ago
The US signed a $142 billion dollar arms deal with Saudi last year. 9 billion is a lie.
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u/D2dj 1d ago
The premise is just silly. Theres tons of anti-saudi news. Crowned Prince Bone Saw murdering US journalists made headlines news world wide for months alone.
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u/the3rdmichael 1d ago
Who will think of the (Houthi) children?
I guess they need a catchy slogan, "from the desert to the sea" .... or something.
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u/manhattanabe 1d ago edited 1d ago
The anti-Israel narrative is spread by Iran and Russia. They donāt spend on anti-Saudi narratives, so itās not in the news.
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u/four4cats 4h ago
You don't need ny propaganda to come to the conclusion of how shitty Israel... You could literally just look at what information is coming out of Israel. 10 people died while trying to transport aid to Palestine? How many US citizens have died just standing around? How long did they ban chocolate for? The list goes on and on and you don't need to read that anywhere else other tha Isrseli sources.
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u/kazh_9742 6h ago
How does that translate to American news when it's pretty much illegal to criticize Isreal? And it's not always in the news. OP needs to get off Reddit and calibrate to the real world instead.
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u/Otherwise-Nobody8252 14h ago
Itās almost impossible in the United States to take an Anti-Israel position. Half the states itās illegals to intentionally boycott anything Israel.
If you are public and even make a minor complaint their state services and the IDF will be quick to respond.
So yeah, most of the narrative is from outside the countryā¦ mostly because you canāt express your 1st amendment rights towards them.
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u/Deep_Tiger_993 5h ago
The Israel boycott law is federal. Intentionally boycotting Israeli goods is illegal in all 50 states.
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u/manhattanabe 13h ago
Itās not the anti Israeli positions that gets tug blocked. Itās the lies.
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u/Otherwise-Nobody8252 13h ago
Examples?Ā
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u/manhattanabe 13h ago
lol. Reddit.
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u/Otherwise-Nobody8252 12h ago
I mean what lies are there that you are referring to.
Is it the they drop bombs on children while planning resorts in Palestine?
is it that they are one of the most active political financing sources in the US with over 90% of house and senate members taking the max contribution?
is it that they murder American Citizens every year?
Or go back to my own gripe there... You have to agree that Israel forever has a right to exist to get a US government contract...
Fudge... It's easier to get a US DoD contract as an Israeli citizen then a US Citizen... Go to black hat... It's all "American Defense" But it's 4 American sales bro's with a Tel Aviv based company pretending to be based out of Delaware.
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u/wombatgeneral 7h ago
planning resorts in gaza
I don't think they will be able to put a resort there. Israel would have to clear all the rubble and unexploded ordinances before they can build a resort there.
In Cambodia people were killed by unexploded ordinances for decades after kissingers bombing campaign.
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u/Otherwise-Nobody8252 6h ago
Kushner ( Trump son in law ) literally pushing this with funding sources in Isreal
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u/manhattanabe 12h ago
Yes. These are the lies Iām referring to.
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u/Otherwise-Nobody8252 12h ago
If I evidence each one of these claims will you say "sorry" ...
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u/manhattanabe 10h ago
Since all those stories are fake, any evidence you have will be fake too. That fact that you actually believe this nonsense means must have skipped the critical thinking part of your schooling.
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u/Otherwise-Nobody8252 9h ago
Oh ... The Israeli military trying to sink the USS Liberty was fake, right? Never happened at all.
You won't even read evidence... Which I guess makes sense since your post history is just 100% zionist B.S. and attacking the NYC Mayor.
Enjoy life man.
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u/wombatgeneral 7h ago
anti israeli narrative
Look at satellite imagery of gaza between 2022 and 2026. Entire cities have been reduced to rubble, even the farmland and tree cover has died off in a lot of places. It's pretty striking.
You can't see any damage to Israel from satellite imagery. Even if the media is unfair to Israel for committing war crimes, they are still committing war crimes that deserve to be called out.
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u/Miendiesen 7h ago
Look at before and after images of Mariupol in Ukraine. For reference: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-google-maps-reveal-destruction-in-ukraine-city
Modern warfare means bombs, which destroy buildings.
Hamas should not have entered Israel to murder, rape, and kidnap Jews--then refused to disarm, bringing about and then extending a war that caused Palestinian suffering.
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u/actanonverba1 3h ago
Ukraine should not have violated the minsk agreement and couped the pro-russian president of Ukraine in 2014
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u/wombatgeneral 6h ago
Are you suggesting that what Israel is doing to Gaza is just as bad as what Russia is doing to Ukraine?
That's an insane argument to make. The us has provided a lot of aid to Ukraine and Russia has been widely condemned by the international community. Gaza is Ukraine in this scenario and Israel is like Russia.
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u/Miendiesen 6h ago
Yeah no difference at all, very astute! One war started because Putin was like, "I'd like Ukraine now, thanks."
Then the other started because a terrorist organization invaded Israel on October 7th the murder, rape, and kidnap Jews. Then they vowed to repeat October 7th events over and over until Israel was destroyed.
Same same, good call!
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u/manhattanabe 5h ago
Who do you think paid for you to see those images? The whole story is paid for by Iran and Qatar. They didnāt pay for you to see the images from Arabia, so you didnāt. The funniest thing is that you believe it was your idea.
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u/Miskadotcom 3h ago
We all know why. Arabs pour billions into anti israel propaganda, and the left is extremely weak to that.
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u/wombatgeneral 1h ago
Being an anti israeli propagandist might be the easiest job in the world. Just find and show footage of Israel committing war crimes in gaza. You don't even really need to make up lies or spending time editing footage.
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u/Miskadotcom 58m ago
Yet that is all you people do.
You can give no actual reason why Palestinian kids are the only one you 'fight' for. Lmao
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u/Nervous_Inspection39 1d ago
Israel and Saudi's intelligence have worked together since the 80's. See Iran Contra, and also the lesser known in USA, Al-Yamamah arms deal scandal in UK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yamamah_arms_deal
Saudi's royalty can't give the impression they are in cahoots with with the Israeli defense apparatus and Intelligence because Saudi's general population has low opinion of Israel. Same reason why Saudi royalty gives the false impression they are devout Muslims when they are anything but.
Reality is bought and sold believe it or not. Why you won't see that. Same reason why you never hear MSM reporting political stories and scandals coming out of Israel.
Unfortunately, inertia is too strong for anything to change. People incapable looking a week (and MSM), so don't expect ties going back for 40 years to get coverage.
Entire system is compromised.
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u/whitswhisper 13h ago
Its wild how little coverage those older scandals get now. Like the al-yamamah thing is huge but barely anyone knows about it. Makes you wonder what else is still flying under the radar.
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u/Nervous_Inspection39 10h ago
Seriously, personally feel its the reason the government is paralyzed to function properly. Too many countries and wealthy elites have too much dirt on the government. This happened a few months ago, didn't get any attention. Implications are pretty crazy.
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u/Strong_Bluejay4172 1d ago
Saudis are not occupying Yemen and they have not killed 70,000 ppl on account of direct military action. Saudis also have not been sitting on Yemeni territory illegally since 1948.
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u/Kabablover 1d ago
No one is supporting Sauds the genocidal apartheid state who declared Palestinians human animals in the other hand
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u/Sudden_Sentence_8534 1d ago
Cos you can critizise Saudi Arabia without being called an Islamaphobe but say one thing about the Israelis and you're an antisemite. Even if you're a Holocaust survivor.
And the Saudis aren't getting people cancelled for saying killing children is wrong.
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u/Mental-Cupcake9750 19h ago
Because one fits the narrative of āIsrael badā while the other goes against the narrative that all Muslims are somehow nice and innocent people. Do you really think the mainstream media doesnāt have agenda at play and only report on what they feel is āimportantā, whatever that means?
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u/NugKnights 1d ago
Because people hate jews.
And people in the west just like to pretend racism is not real any more.
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u/zero_lies_tolerated 17h ago
Always coming out of the woodwork playing the victim.Ā Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.Ā Predictable and fucking beyond boring.Ā Always with the unrealistic fake upvotes.Ā You do realise how obvious it is to everyone, right?
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u/wombatgeneral 1d ago
Anti semitism is dwarfed by the amount of anti middle eastern/anti Muslim sentiment in the US.
I had a friend who was east Indian and was constantly dealing with racism and being called a terrorist and post 9/11 racism in general.
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u/NugKnights 1d ago edited 1d ago
Is Isreal in the US? Because no one here was talking about NYC. You may as well say no one is racist against black people because they are treated well in some towns.
How many jews live in the middle east outside of isreal?
Why is that?
The answer is lots of people are racist against jews.
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u/MosesDoughty 1d ago
People get real quiet whenever they get asked why so few Jews live outside of Israel and the United States
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u/wombatgeneral 1d ago
It's not just NYC, it's coast to coast. I've met a lot more people who were bigoted towards middle eastern people than Jewish people.
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u/Anacondoyng 13h ago
Well in some cases Israel carried out false flag attacks in Arab countries to scare Jews to move to Israel. I'm not saying that in no case were Jews forced to emigrate by Muslims (after Jews forced a large number of Muslims and Christians from their homes in Palestine), and that was wrong, but the claim that Jewish emigration to Israel from Muslim territories was simply the product of antisemitism is not true. Read Avi Shleim.
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u/NugKnights 9h ago
Cool story.
In way way way more cases the jews were killed on purpose by people who say they want to kill jews.
Like the Houthies who's real flag reads "Death to Isreal, Death to America, and a curse upon the jews.
Read any history book.
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u/Butt_Snorkler_Elite 1d ago
You have to be truly insane to actually believe western countries are more bigoted toward Jewish people than they are toward Arabs or Muslims in general. Every single piece of entertainment media made in the last thirty years features a villain who wears a turban and screams Allahu ackbar before the heroic seal team kills him. Post 9/11 there were lynch mobs going around every major us city looking for anyone vaguely middle eastern looking, or even just brown really, to take their anger out on, and fear of Muslim terrorism literally created the modern day surveillance state in the west. And of course in Europe Islamophobia is legitimately the guiding animus of the entire right wing political project right now. Meanwhile israel snipes its 60,000th Palestinian child in the head and without exception, every single western media sourceās headline on the event (if it gets enough traction that they feel forced into covering it at all) is like ārelative to the spinning of the earth, the childās path moved her head directly through the unmoving bullet (which may or may not have been shot out of a gun, dont ask us who was holding the gun though)ā. Israel murders children by the bus load and western journalists and politicians see the only problem with this as (and Iām quoting directly here) āwhen we are trying to present israel positively we have to talk to the youth through a wall of dead babiesā
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u/RyRyBeeblebrox 7h ago
Yeah being called a terrorist is definitely way worse than, like, a dude ramming a truck full of explosives into a Jewish preschool. Ā Iām sorry your friend had to deal with that.
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u/PalpitationSad4921 1d ago
Hey guess what? Same thing happened to the bulk of Israelis (Mizrahim, Sephardim, and other non-Ashkenazim). Constant "random" searches at US airports.
If I wasn't 100% clean shaven, I was guaranteed to get flagged. Flying while looking Middle Eastern.
But that's nothing compared to the antisemitism I've seen in my life. My synagogue in Portugal was pillaged one night. My synagogue in upstate NY was firebombed. A few decades later at that same synagogue a shooter attacked the preschool. Being a Jew in the world.
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u/OldTwo6751 16h ago
French Jew here people donāt understand that persecution can come in many forms but fearing for your life is by far the worst one. Most French Muslims fear racism and discrimination that they clearly face daily but I rarely meet one that fears targeted death for being Muslim. Thatās not case for most jews , I know going to my synagogue comes with unforeseen dangers sometimes the army is posted at the front door.
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u/Anacondoyng 13h ago
Wrong again. Most critics of Israel are absolutely fine with Jewish critics of Israel, of which there are many.
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u/Aromatic-Surprise925 1d ago
Part of it might be that Israel constantly plays the victim while practicing ethnic cleansing and has a huge number of American politicians openly placing it's interests above those of the US.
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u/hereawhile 1d ago
Which US politicians place its interests above those of the US? This seems like a red herring. You're basically just defining anyone who thinks a supportive policy of Israel is good for the US as being in favor of Israel's interests above the US, which is just assuming your own conclusion
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u/Stoked_Otter 1d ago
Because only one of the two nations hangs it's flag outside the doors of dozens of congressional offices. Only one of the two nations has had multiple US congresspeople openly and publicly swear allegiance to it. Only one of the two nations cannot be legally boycotted in several US states.
There's a representative in the House that regularly wears an IDF uniform on the floor of the United States Congress. It's very clear which of the two nations has control of our government.
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u/barryhuffman 1d ago
Who is the rep who regularly wears an IDF uniform?
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u/Biggle_fuzz 1d ago
Brian Mast. I don't know if he does it regularly, but he definitely has done it.
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u/barryhuffman 1d ago
If you don't know then why would you say it? Just looked it up and he did it once 6 days after Oct 7. The dude is a bronze star purple heart winner disabled in the line of duty and wore a uniform once to show support for massacred civilians immediately after the event. Prob should spend 10 seconds checking the validity of what you say if you actually care about any of this and aren't here for the reddit karma
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u/Stoked_Otter 1d ago
So what you are saying is that yes Brian Mast wears an IDF unform on the floor of the United States Congress.
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u/Biggle_fuzz 1d ago
Ok, so the question you asked I answered. You then looked it up, and he did in fact do the thing, and your mad at me for answering your question.
The fact he wore it at all should have immediately resulted in his removal from office.
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u/barryhuffman 1d ago
I hope you enjoy your reddit karma and the subtle disinformation that you are spreading
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u/zero_lies_tolerated 17h ago
It's all due to blackmail.Ā
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u/Stoked_Otter 16h ago
That and people of a certain religion have been brainwashed since birth to be loyal to Israel above all else.
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u/Achaemenid490 š³š± Netherlands 1d ago
Because no Jews no news. Right now it's all about Mossad and Israel and Zionism.
And even when Israel has nothing to do with something, like the riots in France or what happened in Ceuta, people will find ways to tie things to Israel.
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u/JobberStable 1d ago
China is also supporting Russia. They provide them with all the tech they need since the rest of the world cut ties. They also buy cheap oil from Russia and in return China sells items to the US at extremely competitive prices.
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u/L3mm3SmangItGurl 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because Yemen has a formidable fighting force and it's shameful that sandal wearing Arab mountain rednecks are wiping their ass with a force armed and trained by the greatest military on earth.
But you're right, the "news" should cover it more closely. It's not hard too find information on it if you dig a bit deeper tho.
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u/Opening-Passion7363 5h ago
I'm Yemeni, the ongoing war is essentially between the legitimate Yemeni government, and the Houthis rebels. Saudi Arabia obtained formal consent to support the legitimate government , and Saudi Arabia has no influence over the White House, It's just Trump who made it seem to be 'Influence', and he seems to leave the GCC countries for vulnerable after the latest news. They have fewer interceptors, and it's going to be for Israel.
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u/disparateassociation 3h ago
Americans already dislike Saudi Arabia on the whole and Trump has already been criticized for his closeness with them numerous times. There also isn't a large movement online trying to defend their actions so there's not much to debate. Saudi government sucks next topic.
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u/wombatgeneral 1h ago
Zionists use whataboutism to deflect from what they are doing, and use Ukraine or Saudi Arabia or Iran or whatever. If you have to compare your country to Russia or Saudi Arabia or Iran to make your country look better that is just pathetic.
It would be like if Chris Christie said, well there are people who are over 600 pounds why are people criticizing me for my weight problem.
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u/GrimPotatoKing 23m ago
Becasue the US is funding one of them with $3.8 billion per year in foreign aid(US Tax dollars) making them essentially complicit in genocide.
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u/PresentSupermarket53 1d ago
If I waved a Yemeni flag in time square would I be attacked for protesting a genocide? No. Thatās a big part of the why.
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u/Solid_Bobcat2267 1d ago
Israel is the biggest ever recipient of US aid with 318 billion USD received so far
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u/StormyPassages 1d ago
The conflict in Yemen is seen by the world as a Muslim conflict between the Sunnis in Saudi Arabia, and the Shia in Iran, with the Yemenis stuck in the middle. Few people in the world understand the region, so the deaths come across as abstract, and too distant to be understood. The UN has faced this problem of "invisible conflicts" in Myanmar and Congo among other places.
Why so little empathy? There are human limits.
The insularity of Middle Eastern cultures works against peace not only by creating an "us" and a "them" between regional sects, but also by distancing the region from the world. Once alienated at a distance, Yemenis are in danger of being forgot.
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u/Far_Error_2814 21h ago
The same people who excuse the genocide in Gaza excuse the one in Yemen.
The same people who want an end to genocide in Gaza want an end to the one in Yemen.
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u/Live_Tangelo8659 20h ago edited 15h ago
lol. NO JEWS NO NEWS.
edit: this comment was reported for "inciting hate"... I was banned for 3 days, but over turned within 2 hoursā on appeal.
that's my general experience whenever I highlight antisemitism. Someone will report and get me banned.
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u/IFHIAIEJ 19h ago
Are you dumb? It's been on the news and is still on the news and will be continue to be on the news.
Stop it
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u/fahad0595 19h ago
Because you are stupid. That's why. Although this has been bominb saudi left and right with multiple warnings. And because you are too stupid to learn that al-Houthi doesn't give a fuck about Yemeni people, they are actively blocking aid as we speak. Educate yourself.
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u/jalanajak 19h ago
Compare the average number of people an average American knows in Israel and in Saudi.
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u/Secret-Look-88 14h ago
Israel mistreatment of Palestinian people has been going on for decades it always takes time and something that attracts attention for people to pay attention.
Look at South Africa were even the victims have said that Palestinians are treated worse than they were, how come South Africa got the attention first?
And South Africa was far from the worst place to live as a black person.Ā
Must have been racism against the white South Africans by opponents of apartheid.
Israel pays our politicians to talk about them positively and call people who criticise them anti Semitic. This generates people to pay more attention.
This tactic worked quite well for decades keeping people quiet but has after all this time just made the thing bigger news. The counter narrative here though is if they hadn't done it the West would have stopped supporting Israel sooner so maybe it was a positive for Israel overall but now it is time to pay the bill.
As for Saudi influence it isn't anywhere near Israeli influence on American politics.
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u/Rude-Eagle171 11h ago
Well I start with this because I see all these comments. Just because Saudi doesnāt get the same amount of scrutiny, that doesnāt mean Israel is wrong to get the amount it has. Saudi deserves more, not isreal less.
Second, Isreal is being given tax payer money, Saudiās are purchasing weapons. So thatās two completely different things.
Third, Charlie Kirk tried to use this talking point. It was easily debunked.
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u/ClarityRocks 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's always amazing to me that most Americans consider Saudi Arabia to be "the bad guys" to some degree, yet they don't seem to get that the Saudis, using American weapons, are at war with the Houthi. Now what's that we often say about the enemies of our enemies....?
Update -- This seems to be getting misinterpreted.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" is the phrase. The Houthi are the enemy of the Saudis, who use American weapons to slaughter them. I'm surprised more Americans don't think about this at all, considering negative sentiments towards the Saudi kingdom.
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u/tritiatedpear 1d ago
The saudis paid for 911 and funded Al queda, and chopped up an American journalist into tiny pieces. How that regime still exists other than America being morally bankrupt is a mystery. But the good guys they are not.
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u/Stoked_Otter 1d ago
The Houthis are not my enemy.
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u/Various-Effect-8146 1d ago
The Houthis are not revolutionary fighters. They are terrorists. This isn't just the opinion of the Americans and the Israeli's, but other nations too.
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u/Stoked_Otter 1d ago
No they are the legitimate government of Yemen and they are one of the only forces in the world currently resisting the worst crime against humanity to be perpetrated in my lifetime. The worst Houthi is better than the best Israeli.
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u/koreqwzfp 1d ago
Incredible to defend the way Houthi starve their open countrymen. Look at the siege of Taizz, worse than Israel ever implemented on Gaza.Ā
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u/Various-Effect-8146 1d ago
You can hate Israel but not like the Houthi's either. It doesn't have to be one or the other. You are misguided by propaganda. And anyone who sympathizes with atrocities and terrorism can rest in piss.
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u/fahad0595 19h ago
Stop lying, the official government of Yemen issues many statements about their attack; they asked saudi for help.
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u/ClarityRocks 1d ago
Neither mine (though I certainly don't know every single fact on the ground on Yemen, and I know human nature tends to lean toward power + corruption + abuse). That said, if I were American, I'd be a lot more curious about why the Saudis hate the Houthi so much, and why U.S. weapons are used to slaughter them. You'd think they'd see the Houhti in a different light, or at least have a question or two.
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u/camp1728 1d ago
Because people are antisemitic. This is one of the easier questions to answer on this sub
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u/TrumpsBussy_ 1d ago
The Houthiās are not Iranian proxies, they are essentially the government of Yemen
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u/gaumab 1d ago
The Houthis are closely allied with Iranāreceiving substantial military and financial support- A quick Google search disagrees with you
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u/MarkComfortable1923 1d ago
What you said is completely accurate, but itās not the same as being a proxy.
The houthis are closely allied/linked to the Iranian government, and often act in their interest, but they arenāt an extension of the Iranian state/nonstate apparatus.
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u/RexMundi000 1d ago
hey are essentially the government of Yemen
The only UN member state that recognizes the Houthis as the Government of Yemen is Iran. And a lot classify them outright as a terrorist organization.
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u/TrumpsBussy_ 1d ago
That is effectively meaningless. The Houthiās have governed the majority of citizens in Yemen for like a decade. The ārecognised governmentā are Saudi puppets that sold out their own people.
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u/RexMundi000 1d ago
Literally no country in the world agrees with you. Except Iran.
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u/TrumpsBussy_ 1d ago
Of course they donāt, the Saudi gravy train is too valuable to jump off of. The Saudiās killed hundreds of thousands of civilians in Yemen and we didnāt hear a western leader say a single thing. Money talks.
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u/Fungiblewatch 1d ago
The countries you speak of are usās bitches and will agree with the U.S. with whatever. Iran isnāt, thatās the difference.
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u/Lisa_Myerse 22h ago
Both probably make the news.. but only one side receives extra funding to spread a little extra propaganda
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u/Aggravating-Onion384 21h ago
Lets play a game. Whos flag can i burn without getting in trouble
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u/Sharp_Adhesiveness82 20h ago
You can burn both legally
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u/Agitated_Celery_729 20h ago
Go ahead an burn both on camera and report back which one gets people accusing you of certain beliefs.
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u/revolverXD 20h ago
The gaza war did not have any kind of starvation or famine, stop being so easily tricked it was already reported that the average gazan is obese and has more food than the average EgyptianĀ
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u/negativ32 19h ago
Houthies are to blame.
IRGC are to blame.
The UN are compromised and ineffectual.
Pull your head out of your ass.
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u/magicsonar 1d ago edited 18h ago
Is there a Saudi lobby that is putting money into bank accounts of 95% of Congress? Or are Saudi interests represented disproportionately in American media? Can you lose work or lose your job if you are seen to be overtly criticizing Saudi Arabia? Are American companies banned from working with US State governments unless they pledge an allegiance to Saudi Arabia? Does the US Govt give Saudi Arabia billions in aid every year, with no strings attached? Do hundreds of American politicians go on trips every year to Saudi Arabia? Are American police forces being trained by the Saudi military? Does the US Govt always vote defend Saudi interests at the UN and vero any and all attempts to keep Saudi Arabia accountable? Do American political leaders literally say they were elected to Congress to defend Saudi interests?
So there is no comparison between the influence that Israel has on the US and the role that Saudi Arabia plays. That's not to say we shouldn't also be questioning the Saudi relationship to America. Of course the Saudi's spend a lot buying influence and there are also many highly questionable things about the US Govt being in bed with Saudi interests -and yes their role in the disastrous Yemen civil war. But to suggest that somehow Israeli and Saudi Arabian interests inside the US are comparable in terms of their influence is just nonsensical. It's not even closely comparable.
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u/Status_Drawing38 1d ago
Ypu dont think there is a Saudi lobby? Are you ok?
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u/PalpitationSad4921 1d ago
That bot needs a tune up.
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u/IndustrialMillennial 22h ago
Bruh, when weāre talking about nation state lobbying spend, Saudi Arabia is #4 and Israel is #10.
When you include shadow money from lobby groups on their behalf, including aipac the additional funding is as follows:
Israel: $214.6 million from the nation state + $97 million from lobby groups = $311.6 million
Saudi Arabia: $421.9 million from the nation state + $167 million from lobby groups = $588.9 million
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u/gnome-civilian 23h ago
Saudi Arabia gave $2 Billion to Jared Kushner for his investment firm. Saudi Arabia spends a lot on lobbying/influence and huge amount in investment funds and business groups.
Don't forget Saudi Arabia is an actual islamist absolute monarchy. Most Americans really aren't into that so politicians are not going to tout their connections or support for them.
They also assassinated Jamal Khashoggi, a US resident, by luring him into a consulate, drugging and killing him then cutup his body to dispose of and I don't think they got hardly any pushback for it.
Are American police forces being trained by the Saudi military?
The Saudi military is shit.
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u/magicsonar 20h ago
Saudi Arabia gave Kushner $2 billion to try and buy influence within the White House. Israel has no need to pay Kushner that kind of money - they know he's already in their pocket. That's the difference. The Prime Minister of Israel literally stayed at the home of the Kushner's - they are old and close friends!
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u/captainusslincoln 1d ago
The famine in yemen did make the news, a law was passed to block arms sales that Trump blocked. But should more attention be given to it? Sure. Saudi Arabia is a ghastly country. If it didn't have oil it wouldn't even be a country, a ton of those GCC states are minority citizens. Shit holes