It’s not fun being fully plated and killed in 0.025 seconds.

That doesn’t create fun engagements or team battles, doesn’t allow strategy or being able to disengage.

I’ve gotten into PvP multiple times now in the last 24 hrs and it’s so much worse than old dmz. They need to fix it

In previous DMZ the main way to play was to grind for permanent upgrades : Armor boxes/insured weapons slots /number of plate to deploy with.

But now that they completely copied the extraction shooter genre, like arc raiders /tarkov.

Coming from old dmz fans. What are we supposed to grind for? Why would I bother looting/ risking?

If i die i loose everything why even bother looting.

Might aswell just pvp and loot corpses, i feel this is turning more dmz into a lite dmz with a looting aspect.

I remember back in the days, the adrenaline to extract a GPU. Hide in bushes in extractions. risk or not the ashika liquor etc.

I feel now i loose all this '' gear fear'' cuz since there's nothing to actually grind for permanent upgrade, nothing matters.

Im i alone thinking that? I think we might get bored of this in few weeks. Maybe I'm wrong

Sorry to the two players I downed yesterday. I’m one of those guys who doesn’t enjoy the PvP aspect of DMZ as much and I try not to PvP anyone. You guys were unfortunate casualties.

To “doon cuun” (wild name, btw), I was driving up to the exfil and saw you run behind my truck. I thought you were an AI enemy and backed right over you. I wasn’t too worried about downing at the moment because I thought you were camping exfil. Then I went to call in the bird and saw you’d already done so. You weren’t camping exfil, I killed you when you were trying to exfil. I had accidentally become the very thing I hate.

To “lol” (also a wild name but for different reasons), I popped the exfil and heard you coming. I was waiting for the bird and you busted out of the building right as it was landing. Unfortunately, that’s when some AI enemies drove up and I heard gunfire and I thought it was you shooting at me, so I downed you. When I heard you on comms, it was too late, you were down. I would have stayed and assimilated you but I needed to GTFO. Hopefully you made it out of there with all your stuff in that swarm of bots.

That’s my b, fellas.

I’m posting this for others to see as you can still get a refund even if you played multiple hours on the game. I beat the campaign and played about 6 hours on dmz and my refund request went through.

I fully expect people to downvote me but they should do the opposite as the more people who played the beta that dislike this one and get a refund means, less PvP in the game, but to each their own!

I’m just passing this along. I did enjoy the game a little, but I don’t plan to jump back in until they put the game on sale. I don’t play multiplayer anymore so waiting won’t hurt.

I hope those that do enjoy it continue to enjoy it. That feeling of addiction is what made dmz so special. I just wish I felt that way this time but since I never liked arc raiders I’m not surprised one bit that I’m disappointed in this one.

To all those enjoying the game! Have fun!

Was looting the deadtown facade buildings in solos when I saw a UAV tower go red. Didn't mind it much as they lit up the SAM site prior. Figured they were on their missions and wouldn't pay too much attention to me on the opposite side of the POI looting. Regardless, I assumed I'd at least hear some AI making noise if they tried to sneak up on me.

Well later I swear I heard some footsteps. The faintest one's I'd ever heard. Almost like someone was crouch walking around. So I get scared and go prone in a corner to try and confirm, and lo and behold this rat comes shooting down at me from the loft killing me.

So now I'm seething, watching in third person as this rat who crouch walked across the entire POI, making zero noise whatsoever, is looting me. Keep in mind this was all my good gear, with a full backpack of mats from the area.

Finally he finishes, and CROUCH WALKS AWAY with his knife out, terrified to make noise. I wait a second, use possum to get back into last stand, then sacrifice some health to revive. I come hunting him down, making sure to stay mobile so at least if he shoots first I'll have a chance to get away and rechallenge following. I win the fight then say some colorful things in prox chat hoping he hears.

So yah. The possum trait is pretty nice.

Let's talk about this... After 4 years of DMZ Beta and 6000+ hours playing the Beta everywhich way, as well as history playing multiplayer and warzone - the first thing I noticed was the PvP TTK is way to fast.

In an environment where you're fighting AI and focusing on various factors to progress through the raid, the balancing between how easy it is for AI tier 1-3 to kill you, lieutenants and commanders to kill you, vs operators seems unbalanced.

In my view, when an operator fight commences from either side - the TTK should allow for enough time for that operator to be able to make decisions on understanding what's happening, how to react, and double down or pull back - a TTK of ~200ms is not enough... I can appreciate that with no plates or a 1 plate in, sure - however 2 plates or more needs progressively more TTK - or plates need balancing against standard health.

Id love to get a conversation going on this - as early understanding and balancing of this makes or breaks the experience of this mode. In my opinion offering the TTK speed of warzone without the benefits of redeployment, gulag etc that warzone uses to balance that TTK needs to make way for longer TTK in DMZ to give operators a chance to decide how to engage or disengage.

Must admit, watched some streamers and not yet impressed.

Felt like Redsec, running around looting, but with even less PvP.

Having played DMZ 1 every day for 2 years (!!), I'm not sure I'm ready for all the crafting and grind just yet. Then again, none of us like change much, do we?

What's the opinion of people actually playing DMZ 2?

Thanks

It might be too early to suggest this, but why can’t we change our operator skin in DMZ? I like to build one character and stick with him, and if I want to change their appearance I should be able to. Other games do this successfully (Division, Arc Raiders are a couple examples). Also if I do stick with one character, I would have much less incentive to buy new skins if I can’t swap skins, so I look at it as a win for developers also. Maybe as a compromise make it so it’s only doable on prestige.

That’s it, DMZ has been a lot of fun so far, I hope it gets the support and content it needs.

keep complaining about the game while everyone else is making progress and see how far that gets you, the skill difference is just going to increase, you're just going to get worse while everyone else gets better

I find the AI very easy to kill. That’s not necessarily a problem, but they should definitely do more damage once they shoot at you.

IW should make the AI just a tiny bit harder, just tiny bit…

Problem with mw2 was the cracked ai, now its the sheer amount of enemies converging on your position.

Like seriously, dynamic ops send me to the airbase for components, I raise the threat level to extreme.

Game sends me to nearby village to craft, after struggling to get out of the airbase amidst the 472910 enemies parked in my airbase buildings, all armored with lmgs, and a permanent helicopter.

I think I'm done but THEN the game sends me BACK to the airbase to do the actual objective. Are we deadass here ?

Another round of murdering the whole NK army while eating up plates and ammo, I complete the objective...

BUT I CANT EVEN LOOT THE SUPPLY CRATE. Dumbass plane sends it in the middle of the road where another round of 38201 armored soldiers and a helo waiting for me to peek and fill me with holes. This is actually insane, the rewards are mid at best on top of that, doesnt matter the threat level where you get sent to.

Im not even going to mention players, vultures hear shots 100m away and instantly sprint to your location and jump on you while you're busy taking out the whole regime forces by yourself.

Skill issue I guess, I would wait for the enemy to lose attention on me, but the problem is. THEY DONT LEAVE THE AREA, they just roam there and block your exits. + my threat level that keeps rising when I keep killing which in turn encourages enemy to converge on my ass, its a vicious circle and there's no escape.

TLDR: IW pls, nerf enemy backup frequency and interest in players, I can't even fucking catch my breath to loot.

People are playing aggresive as they're probably mostly MP players who are used to aggressive fights and don't normally play DMZ but this is the only thing they can play at the moment, it'll eventually calm down for purely DMZ players.

Hey everyone,

Now that the MW4 DMZ early access is live, I wanted to see how everyone is feeling about it compared to the original MWII DMZ Beta days.

Personally, I'm finding it to be a completely different beast. The move from simple menu screens to a fully playable Forward Operating Base (FOB) changes the whole vibe between raids. I’m also digging the new operator skill trees (Warfighter/Scout/Survivalist), though the threat of losing an operator's traits permanently makes things way higher stakes than the Beta ever felt.

On the other hand, the deeper economy, heavy crafting focus (having to craft your own parachutes?!), and the fact that it's locked behind a premium paywall changes the casual "pick-up-and-play" extraction loops we used to have.

For those who loved the original Beta, do you think these deeper mechanics are an upgrade, or do you miss the simpler looting and quick gunfights? How is the PvPvE balance feeling on the new Hajin map?

Let's discuss!

DMZ is fun but someone please create a mod or something to disable some of the hud, I think around 40% of the screen is HUD. I don't need 2 checklists open AT ALL TIMES in each corner, a prompt that tells me to heal and a guy screaming in my ear each time I move 50m to tell me about a boss or event.

On top of this each time you kill a npc it's like you put $50 in a slot machine. XP HEAD SHOT, XP ONE SHOT ONE KILL. "GUN LVL 12 REWARD XXX OPTIC" there's even a notification for shooting a tyre on a car.

Please let me disable some of it

Figured I'd help out all my fellow poor, defenseless solos out there. <3

Map - Follows the same tragedy of Urzikstan; Same old water system dividing the map, it's a hassle to traverse across the map without vehicles, redeploy balloons, faster movement (Dive-Parachuting of MW2022). No established main primary and secondary POI like downtown, and the airport of Al Mazrah. Map feels uncoordinated, you could tell what part of the map you were on without looking at the map back in Al Mazrah.

Restricted gameplay - Everyone should have a parachutes, and an unlimited amount especially when there are multiple hills and cliffs across the map. The bandaging system should be reworked, I shouldn't have to find a medkit or a hospital if I don't want to lose my temporary full health just before a gunfight against a player. Tanks? Really?.

Main complaints - Map is too large for the amount of players. UI is cluttered. Too focused on the AIs. DMZ 1.0 S1 AI is back. Map is ugly. Boring. Confusing. Does not feel like COD.

It's early access which means it's the best time to give feedback. I love Infinity Ward. I love Al Mazrah, and DMZ 1.0. But this is too much

Call me a noob but I never got into DMZ…mainly because I’m a heavy PvP player…but MAN. ITS ALOT GOING ON!! This is normal? For different games too??? I love it but jeez I suck lmao.

Props to you guys.

Quick 5 piece with a pistol and a 1 upgrade ftac.

Will be trying DMZ 2 out tonight on livestream twitch: Gazagang024.

There’s no buy stations, there’s no risk reward because you can buy your operator and horde plate carriers so even if you lose your stuff you’re back to where you were, the missions i finished in 2 hours, the pvp sucks i can drive around the whole map without finding a person, im softlocked at 60 fps on ps5 and somehow the game looks worse than mw2, im at a Damascus dog tag and ive only encountered like 3 teams, matchmaking is somehow longer than dmz 1 (4 years old) , the death stalker just ignores your sam site and you have to shoot it down

Why is progression tied to individual operators instead of being account-wide?

If I have a skin for other character I really like, why do I have to grind all the upgrades again just to play with that character? Progression should be shared across all operators, allowing us to use any skin we want without starting from scratch.

Why are perk choices permanent?

What if I want to try a different playstyle with the same operator? I shouldn't be locked into previous decisions or have to level up another character from scratch just to experiment with a different build. At the very least, there should be an option to reset and redistribute perk points.

This mechanic breaks DMZ imo and severely takes the stakes out of infils. After fully killing a team we now have to babysit their corpses until we can confirm that they returned to the lobby???

Who on earth thought this was a good idea to implement into AN EXTRACTION SHOOTER?

Get this perk out of here now. Reminds me of death streaks from MW2 - just a terrible mechanic overall

Aside from some QoL features and ease of use like mag dumping, ammo reloading, healing etc. Hows the looting, base building, and AI, etc compared to Tarkov? Gameplay ive seen looks like the looting system isnt very in depth (not a ton of places to loot and just mostly combat items), and the enemy AI look very easy at least from what ive seen

Or what about compared to Delta Force?

this animation is bad

That's it, A bunch of whiny babies are crashing servers. Still the same crap.

Just playing trying to do some orders across the map while my team was doing objectives, we both had different things we needed to do

Anyway because I go down to the stupid OP enemies I’m dead and my teammates exfil and Leave me to die so I lose all my loot

DUDE IT TAKES LIKE 3 MINUTES TO COME OVER AND RES WHY ARE YOU FUCKING ME OVER

Also why does it get more expensive each time I buy back my Operator, It’s rediculous that in an extraction shooter that jumped up its Difficulty wildly compared to Endgame and MWZ that Dying is punished so much more compared to those two modes