Short clip of Jon Stewart's interview of Abdul El-Sayed... Sure hope this guy wins
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UbemwSW44FQ662
u/FreakindaStreet 23h ago
The reason this guy gets so much hate by the far-right is that he’s a walking
rebuttal of every talking point and every argument against Muslim immigrants.
He’s fully assimilated. His Muslim values are wholly compatible with Western democracy. He’s completely for secularism and against religious supremacy. Articulate, educated, successful, intelligent, respectful, levelheaded… etc.
Between him and Mamdani, the irony of brown immigrants are the ones actually making America great must be torturous to bigots, and man am I glad to see it happen.
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u/SchpartyOn 16h ago
He’s not an immigrant! He was born and raised in the United States. This fact alone bothers the shit out of the right. Don’t play into their bullshit with that “he’s a good immigrant” talk. He’s a good American.
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u/FreakindaStreet 15h ago
While you and me both know that, his detractors do not make that distinction. He’s Muslim, he’s “uppity”, and worst of all, he isn’t white.
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u/Spongeman735 7h ago
That’s why it’s important that we make the distinction and emphasize this point.
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u/SearingPhoenix 22h ago
Seeing him in the debate with Rogers was pretty spectacular.
(Paraphrasing)
Moderator: "How would you pay for your platform?"
Al-Sayed: Tax the billionaires. Here's what that would let us do.
Rogers: Notice that there wasn't any policy in his response.
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u/johnis12 10h ago
Thinking about that whole "question" with that Tommy fella asking him if he would disavow the Muslim Brotherhood" and when Abdul pressed him about why he would ask him to do that...
Tommy: "Well, they're a terrorist group."
Abdul: "... Okay?"
Love his response, basically just a "What the fuck that got to do with me?"
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u/rk1468 21h ago
I think his confident jock vibe is also a bit unsettling to them.
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u/chickpeaze 17h ago
They aspire to be the successful confident accomplished jacked hot guy, but he actually is and it breaks their brains.
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u/billytheskidd 19h ago
Yeah. I have to say I like what he stands for and have been generally impressed by him, but he definitely gives me kinda frat boy vibes.
However, I don’t support politicians or anyone, I support values and policies. So if his and mine align more than not, he’s got my support
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u/no_reddit_for_you 14h ago
He does not give frat boy vibes at all.
He gives confident and tired of bullshit vibes. He does not act like a frat boy at all lol
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u/TheSwordItself 16h ago
Well you live in a representative democracy so your support of policies doesn't mean shit, only your representatives do, so support a politician.
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u/ethanlan 2h ago edited 1h ago
That last paragraph hits home so well for me. I grew up and live in a huge diverse city (mostly besides college and a few years in london) and it seems that the average brown person is far more compatible with the american values that truly make us great versus white people who are way more slippery sometimes
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u/FreakindaStreet 1h ago
It’s because we know living without freedom actually looks and feels like. The educated among us truly know how great American Ideals really are, and what they truly represent. And we don’t take it for granted.
Those flag-waving conservatives are usually cosplaying. They are upholding their interests, not the ideal.
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u/insane677 21h ago
He's also fucking hot.
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u/Howtobefreaky 19h ago
Dont know why you’re being downvoted. As a het man I can agree that he is indeed fucking hot.
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u/Indaflow 13h ago edited 13h ago
“So much hate”
It’s all bots and misinformation.
Much of it, not all, but much of its manufactured.
Because what happens if someone like El-Sayed gets elected?
Taxes on the rich go up, services for everyone else also go up and increase.
And the powers that be don’t want to see that, they don’t want us to get even a little taste of the good life, that we deserve for our tax dollars.
They can use their machine to turn people against this amazing person, simply because of his name and that’s the strategy.
Well, you’re not wrong. I just think it’s important to identify the machine that exists to sway easily influenced voters against their own best interest.
It’s not just that people “hate him” it’s that media and social media are owned by the 1% and used against the rest of us.
Unfortunately it’s a little too easy to stoke hatred and to get people to vote around his name and against what’s actually in their best interests.
This guy could and I hope will do amazing things and they’re gonna do everything they can to stop it and to sully his name along the way.
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u/standingboot9 16h ago
He seems to be able to phrase his responses in a way that even MAGA worshippers are able to understand. Seriously impressive person and candidate
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u/DontForgorTheMilk 6h ago
He makes me wish I still lived in Michigan so I could vote for him 🥲
(I have other reasons to want to live in Michigan again too though, don't get me wrong. Such a beautiful state)
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u/Maleficent-Bug7998 14h ago
There are so many competent and compassionate and seemingly incorruptible progressive candidates running it's hard not to hope for real systemic change.
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u/AssCrackBandit20 13h ago
Exactly. I don’t really give af about potentially problematic religious views as long as you don’t place your religion over your politics, which AES has shown no indication of, and as long as you vote for progressive causes in DC.
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u/CondescendingShitbag 1d ago
Salient criticism of media's role in these discussions. People often have a rightfully suspect opinion of the government, but so much of that mistrust often stems directly from media portrayal of the subject.
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u/Abracadaver14 10h ago
And media portrayal is nowadays largely influenced by clicks. You'll (generally) get a version of the truth, but it's the version that'll generate the most clicks.
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u/Stickyouwithaneedle 1d ago
I must be tired...
Seriously read this as...
Salient criticism of Madea's role in these discussions...
Was thinking... What an odd take..
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u/steak4take 18h ago
No you’re just trying to dismantle the conversation with unrelated crap.
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u/Stickyouwithaneedle 6h ago
Wow... Such hostile... Reread it thought it was funny thought I'd share... My bad I guess. Not sure what I expected based on username.
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u/Changsta 21h ago
Media doesn't ask questions to help everyone improve our lives. Media asks questions to further divide everyone.
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u/ry1701 1d ago
Love this dude. So well spoken, educated, logical and he's exactly the kind of person we need in the Senate.
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u/ethanlan 2h ago
I just broke up with my girlfriend and its her condo (I have a minority stake in it tho thats she's gonna pay hopefully soon) so Im up in michigan (my parents moved there a couple of years ago) and im so happy to finally have my vote actually mean something (versus everyone i like in chicago winning without question).
I fucking love this dude
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u/NorthernDevil 11h ago
Something I don’t often hear discussed in these conversations about the media is how this is the same late-stage capitalism enshittification phenomenon impacting every industry in the United States. We’ve commercialized media to prioritize short-term profit over public service, because that’s what we do to everything. Local news has collapsed and now the only profit left is ad revenue from clickbait articles. Or relatedly, revenue from national anger factories like Fox “News” which has conceded to a court that it’s not really news.
A lot of this talk focuses on “the media” as this amorphous entity that’s choosing its focus and has lost its ethics, but it misses the point that what journalists are instructed to focus on is a consequence of investor/ownership demands, itself a product of commoditizing the news.
I don’t know what the solution is, but journalism is our one source of political accountability. It’s way too important to let this happen. And I’d like to see a hyper-articulate DSA guy like El-Sayed talk about the reasons a little more.
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u/Twentysix2 10h ago
23 years ago someone published a book which said a key issue with the media being that they were driven more by ratings than accuracy. That book was Lying Liars by comedian Al Franken who was elected senator for MN 5 years later
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u/jarvisesdios 22h ago edited 17h ago
Is this the new episode coming out soon? I don't recall him interviewing him before, on the podcast.
Edit: yes, yes it is
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u/parabostonian 1d ago
People who can cut through BS this well are pretty special these days.
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u/Danominator 23h ago
DSA candidates do it all the time
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u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS 13h ago
The really good ones do. The rest get bogged down in trying to refute every point the opposition brings up. There is a reason why the Gish Gallop works.
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u/LemonScentedDespair 15h ago
The crazy thing is, he's just pretty good at public speaking. He has some good fast quips, but mostly he's just able to break down his responses to be understandable and relatable. Which is kind of rare for politicians in general, I guess.
But, when put in context next to the fucking mouth vomit coming from the opposition, he looks like a golden god of speaking.
Trump rambled about his first name (Abdulrahman) for like 5 minutes, couldn't fucking pronounce it, and settled on "well his middle name is Mohammed, so I am very smart for calling him that!"
I wish we had literacy tests for political office.
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u/youhavenosoul 13h ago
>>literacy tests for political office.
Crazy what was taken for granted before Trump became president. “Gee, he’s not technically breaking the law, but there’s a lot of
Unspoken standards being violated- like the expectation of literacy. We’ve never elected an *actual* dumbass oaf charlatan before!”
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u/Bownaldo 15h ago
Working with Hasan Poker was a mistake though
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u/nankerjphelge 13h ago
This is silly. There's no way to know in advance every single thing that will ever come out of someone's mouth that you may associate with. The only way to guarantee that is to not associate with anyone ever. And Abdul stopped associating with Piker after he made certain comments.
This is the impossible double standard that Democrats are held to, while Republicans can associate with whoever the fuck they want no matter how heinous and don't have to stop, and no one cares.
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u/Bownaldo 13h ago
It was pretty well known what Poker had already said. The whole 'USA deserves 9/11' thing, for example
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u/nankerjphelge 13h ago
Again, still silly when the expectation is that Abdul was supposed to comb through tens of thousands of hours of commentary just to have a person as a supporter at rallies. And he stopped having that person around after being made aware of some of their inappropriate comments.
Meanwhile, Trump can spew blatant racism and bigotry every day, call for the persecution and eradication of certain groups of people and associate with white supremacists and neo Nazis unapologetically, and no one gives a shit. The double standard and hypocrisy is off the charts.
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u/Bownaldo 13h ago
The thing is that a quick look at his wiki page would give you a pretty good summary already. No need to go over the tens of thousands of hours of content.
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u/valentc 13h ago
Then why bring up a comment from 2016 that he apologized for almost immediately after he said it?
It also deflect a from his main point which is HASAN IS A STREAMER NOT PRESIDENT. I capitalized it because you all seem to have this idea that Hasan Piker has the same if not more responsibility that the motherfucking president.
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u/nankerjphelge 13h ago edited 13h ago
Still missing the point spectacularly. One guy that you had at some campaign rallies and then stopped when you found out some of the things he said is not the crisis you seem to think it is. Especially not when the current president openly and unapologetically associates with white supremacists and spews bigotry and hate every day, and people are like "yeah that's fine".
Would you rather Abdul had not course corrected and stopped associating with Piker and just doubled and tripled down like Trump does? Or is it actually a good thing that he was actually willing to course correct? Any reasonable person would say the latter. But you'll probably respond again having demanded retroactive perfection, because again that is the idiotic double standard Democrats are held to while Republicans can do whatever the fuck they want.
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u/08rian22 12h ago
No one is mad Abdul backed off, the problem is it took so long and a simple google search woulda told you not to 💀 its like if Abdul starts campaigning with Kanye and is shocked when he says something antisemitic like cmon everyone knew his history
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u/nankerjphelge 8h ago
Comparing a global superstar's profile to that of a twitch streamer is laughable. And again, the important thing is he distanced himself from those statements once it was brought to his attention.
If you're looking for perfection then stay home and never vote for anyone, because that candidate doesn't exist. And again, the double standard of crucifying Abdul for not having vetted someone who showed up at some campaign rallies while not a peep about Republicans who proudly associate with white supremacists and Christian talibanists and espouse their rhetoric shamelessly and without apology is absurd.
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u/08rian22 8h ago
We're not asking for perfection. Do you really think its hard to find Hasan's controversial statements. Just google it lol
Why do you keep deflecting with republicans you can call out both lol
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u/nankerjphelge 7h ago
And yet interestingly, we have yet to see you call out the Republicans in this discussion, only try to crucify Abdul for something that he's already course corrected on. Curious. In fact, one might even think you are a right-wing troll sealioning here in bad faith. 🤔
So let's hear it. Are you actually a Democrat? Or were you someone who was never going to vote for a Democrat or Abdul in the first place?
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u/Bownaldo 7h ago
Now you're just being dishonest. I'd argue that Piker's political notoriety was greater than that of a global superstar. I mean, members of the White House, including our Vice President, called Piker out last year for the whole shock collar thing. That's when people started digging into Piker's statements in the past. And it does not matter that he distanced himself from certain statements later on. The damage is already done.
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u/nankerjphelge 7h ago
Lmao if you think Hasan Piker is more famous than Kanye West then you're delusional and living in a terminally online bubble.
And you're full of shit saying the damage is already done, while you have absolutely nothing to say about Donald Trump or any of the Republicans who proudly and openly support white supremacists and associate with them, yet still win their elections just fine. Quit your bullshit.
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u/Dangerpaladin 12h ago edited 12h ago
The US did deserve 9/11, I don't even think this is an extremist view. We basically architected it ourselves. It is obviously a horrible tragedy and I don't and didn't wish it on America but you would have to bury your head in the sand think that we took no part in the lead up to it.
Yeah terrorist's attacking civilian targets for things the government and military did is wrong, we would like to think everyone that we have conflicts with are not going to take extremist measures like that. But terrorist attacks aren't something that happen in a vacuum. If we keep pretending like we didn't play a role in 9/11 ourselves it will happen again, and again and again until we learn our lesson.
The government should take more responsibility for their geopolitical decisions that result in a group of people hating us so much they attack our defenseless civilians. Maybe "deserve" is the wrong word, but it was definitely a very predictable consequence of our foreign policy, and I think if you can easily connect the dots like that even after the fact you do bare some blame as a country.
It is an uncomfortable thought, but this is why it is important that we pay attention to what our government is doing, and ask for transparency and insist on consequences for bad actors. These are all things we still aren't doing 25 years later and I wonder every day when the next wake up call is going to happen.
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u/immutable_truth 11h ago
Lmao this entire novel to circle back and say “maybe deserve is the wrong word”. So basically contradicting your initial point.
Yes. It is the wrong word. Nobody deserves for thousands of their civilians to die. That would be called justifying terrorism.
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u/phyrros 11h ago
Yes. It is the wrong word. Nobody deserves for thousands of their civilians to die. That would be called justifying terrorism.
Yes, absolutely. But if you take that very true and serious question and judge US society & foreign policy by that same measure you get a very unwelcoming answer..
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u/Lord_Decitron 6h ago
I don't much like Piker a whole lot, but more often than not I find the people vocally critical of Piker are almost universally awful people who've said or believe in far worse things than Piker, or are part of a cultish following of some other dipshit political streamer with far shittier beliefs and the like than Piker.
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u/its_me_ampersand 13h ago
No one voting in his election cares about this.
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u/HiHoJufro 2h ago
No one voting for him in this election cares, or at least not enough to vote for his Republican opponent (which is, to say the least, incredibly reasonable). But that doesn't mean people shouldn't care, or even that they don't.
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u/redtapenfr 19h ago
I remember when he interviewed Platner and it was all gravy. I try not to get too excited anymore.
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u/Vault101Overseer 10h ago
As someone from Ohio, I will admit the only good things about Michigan are its rustic, beautiful nature and El-Sayed.
We have absolute morons running things down here, our politicians are absolute garbage humans (see JD Vance, et al). Jealous of how great a public servant he could be.
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u/goffer06 12h ago
El-Sayed and Talarico are the next generation Dems we've been waiting for.
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u/UnicornFondler 12h ago
Two gay guys who are going to lose their elections?
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u/Max-s_Dad 12h ago
Look at homeboy projecting his closeted lifestyle onto others.
It's okay, Unicorn. You can come out of the closet.
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u/UnicornFondler 11h ago
I don't know why you think there's something wrong with being gay, but until this kind of attitude is wiped out, guys like Talarico and El-Sayed will always be under heavier scrutiny and can't win elections
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u/diprivan69 11h ago
I like how the only weapon conservatives have is calling someone gay as an insult
Get a life 😂
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u/goffer06 12h ago
I hope that someone gives you the attention you desire in real life.
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u/UnicornFondler 12h ago
I'm being genuine here, neither of these guys are going to win their states, so why champion them? Shouldn't Dems be finding winning candidates to push?
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u/NegativeYou3758 12h ago
Two gay guys
I assume you have proof and not just being casually homophobic?
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u/TechnicalDecision160 13h ago
Love this dude. He is everything right in what this country needs right now. America, make it fucking happen.
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u/nankerjphelge 13h ago
Clearly you haven't listened to him beyond just this clip. What he's talking about specifically is subsidizing Israel with military equipment and funding so they can continue to commit genocide. He's never said we should eliminate US military funding for our own defense.
This is what happens when you comment on things you haven't taken the time to actually understand or listen to.
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u/nankerjphelge 13h ago
He has said so, exhaustively. Again, it's not his fault that you only choose to watch a one minute snippet and then decide the totality of his position from that, when he's outlined it comprehensively in just about every interview and speech in which the full context is present.
But sure, sure, keep peddling this bullshit that his messaging sucks because you can't be bothered to check out anything besides a one minute clip that only tangentially touches on foreign policy in passing, and don't want to inform yourself any further before spewing the above bullshit on the internet.
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u/bstring777 21h ago
Great clip and Im sure the whole interview is great.
But you can already see the incoming calls for Jon to also be released from Apple or any other connected company for sharing "biased" media, even though a podcast is outside of MSM. But we will see what we get of this interview when its released.
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u/bigmonyrob1972 6h ago
The only thing Jon Stewart ever did ever that was ok is play the guy in Adam Sandlers step dad movie otherwise he's useless
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u/ockaners 1d ago
Overturn citizens United via amendment.