r/technology • u/Puzzleheaded_irl • Sep 06 '26
Software Rockstar boss says GTA 6 doesn't just let you easily walk around with guns because GTA 5's approach doesn't work "at this resolution" / GTA 6 needs better "behavioral sophistication" from its NPCs
https://www.gamesradar.com/games/grand-theft-auto/rockstar-boss-says-gta-6-doesnt-just-let-you-easily-walk-around-with-guns-because-gta-5s-approach-doesnt-work-at-this-resolution/7.5k
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u/Rich_Housing971 Sep 06 '26
actual immersion would be to commit a murder, get away with it for a few days or weeks, but then the law using security cameras and witnesses to catch you.
It's also hilarious that the wanted level for shooting a shot in the air is the same as committing vehicular homicide. In reality vehicular homicide would be an instant 3 or 4 star.
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u/CautiousArachnidz Sep 06 '26
Oh nooo. GTA Flock lol
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u/nickstatus Sep 06 '26
There could be side missions cutting them down. Like the graffiti missions in San Andreas
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u/Art-Zuron Sep 06 '26
You get respect for each camera you destroy lol
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u/brinz1 Sep 06 '26
Every time you collect a knocked down camera you get money representing the several ounces of precious metal and copper in each one
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u/DubiousBrushwagg Sep 06 '26
Should have a Crime Mini Mission where you can grab a Sawzall and start harvesting Catalytic Converters and Copper Wiring.
Then if you bring your bounty to the wrong junkyard you get a 3* wanted level.
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u/QueezyF Sep 06 '26
I unironically want a lot of small time crook diversions like this. Let me break into cars and steal shit, bust open ATMs, shoplift, pickpocket, all that shit.
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u/BeerForThought Sep 06 '26
Just respect? I heard there was 6 oz of gold in every one of those cameras.
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u/BeerForThought Sep 06 '26
If there's free copper I'm not telling a junkie about it. That's my copper. One time I came home from a job I was doing and the home owner tipped me with two 5 gallon buckets of scrap copper. My father was outraged on my behalf but I've been broke enough before to be a trash goblin. It was like $150 worth of copper.
I should have said scrap copper. Once I had broken out the torch I was able to save a lot of copper fittings. It was closer to $400 when I was done.
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u/Living_Grab_2239 Sep 06 '26
Wouldn't surprise me if it's in the game. GTA games vacuum up every morsel from the current zeitgeist and satirizes it.
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u/overandoverandagain Sep 06 '26
Too recent imo. The actual writing was likely done years ago, anything beyond a one off quip is a long shot with how dev cycles work
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u/Distinct_Sir_4473 Sep 06 '26
I was thinking about that while playing GTAv yesterday
What a pain in the ass it would be to avoid all the flock cameras
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u/Ah_Ca_Iraa Sep 06 '26
Cock cameras.
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u/soofs Sep 06 '26
Call them cluck cameras and have cluckin bell turn to security surveillance after big smoke ran them out of business ordering all their food
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u/QuantumWonderland Sep 06 '26
Advertisement in radio:
“Cock cameras, deep inside your life more than your ever wanted. For your safety.”
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u/Thoughtulism Sep 06 '26
I would love it if police effectiveness went down they more you took out cameras
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u/Junesucksatart Sep 06 '26
Is it weird if I unironically hope they go that route? Doesn’t have to be flock cameras specifically but the idea of the nature of crime is changing because the world is changing. Kinda like how the red dead series takes place at the tail end of the Wild West era so it shows the clash of two worlds.
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u/DGanj Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
Kingdom Come Deliverance needed some kind of witness and they would tell a guard, which is what got you a wanted level. Being suspicious in the area even if you're not caught did this as well. Really cool, sophisticated system.
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u/Ruddertail Sep 06 '26
Sometimes the "suspicious even if not caught" worked really well, like in small towns where visitors would be rare. But they do the same thing in Kuttenberg, where it's like, really, am I the only stranger in this entire city during a war? Nobody else suspicious at all?
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u/DGanj Sep 07 '26
In all fairness you would see guards questioning people all the time, and others in the stocks.
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u/Po1ar Sep 06 '26
yeah it was a similar system in rdr2, where a witness had to investigate and report the crime
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u/SuperSaiyanTupac Sep 06 '26
Kcd2 did a great job. That studio making Bethesda look like shit this decade
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u/Redshift_McLain Sep 06 '26
The number of posts in the KCD sub about people being confused they are wanted in certain areas is astonishing.
"Did you steal stuff or kill ppl?
- "yeah but nobody saw me do it!"
"were you trespassing near the place and got caught stealthing around?"
"YEAH BUT THEY DIDNT SEE ME DO THE THING"
"doesn't matter, you got reported for strange behaviors and the crime got linked to that strange dude snooping around, you."
"👁️👄👁️"
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u/groumly Sep 06 '26
If I’m being perfectly honest, Bethesda doesn’t need anybody to look like shit this decade…
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u/Xeroque_Holmes Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
If we are going for actual immersion, after you are caught you have to spend 40 years in-game time in jail until you can apply for parole.
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u/Happily-Incorrect Sep 06 '26
If you die you have to be reborn and then raise your character like a tamagotchi for a real-life week before you're allowed back into the game again. Bring back the real threat of failure in video games!!
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u/MaryMalade Sep 06 '26
GTA 5 punishing vehicular manslaughter with a few hundred dollars fine is the most realistic thing about the game.
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u/Batmax92 Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
Clear rules beat immersion in this case. Getting a wanted level out of nowhere because you did a thing a few days before would feel really bad, you need immediate feedback to learn the rules
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u/SerGT3 Sep 06 '26
What if I'm super rich, does it matter then?
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u/Dave-C Sep 06 '26
100 million in wealth grants you a passive -1 star on all wanted levels. Once you hit 1 billion you get a -2 star and the police will be slow to arrive and lose interest in searching for you faster. If you can hit 100 billion in wealth the police show up to help you.
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u/Single-Pin-369 Sep 06 '26
That would be a fun mechanic, the higher your cash or net worth in the game the harder it is to get stars
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u/Macqt Sep 06 '26
In Canada you can intentionally kill someone with a car and only get a few years in prison. Intentionally kill someone without a car? Mandatory life sentence with no chance of parole for 25 years.
GTA’s rules feel pretty realistic up here lol.
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u/neppo95 Sep 06 '26
Hell, just become rich and even being a child molester is fine if you really want that immersion!
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u/__Yakovlev__ Sep 06 '26
The game is set in Florida, just middle class and Caucasian would be enough.
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u/SuperSimpleSam Sep 06 '26
but then the law using security cameras and witnesses to catch you.
And your next 3 hours of game time is sitting in jail and then for trial.
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u/daern2 Sep 06 '26
In reality vehicular homicide would be an instant 3 or 4 star.
Cyclist here, and I beg to differ.
It's often said that if you want to murder someone, run them down in your car and it will automatically get treated completely differently to any other form of homicide. Because there is an expectation that thousands of people get killed on the roads each year, there is a strong pre-supposition of "one more or less - whatever" across the whole system.
Anyway, slight digression...!
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u/barrosoOso Sep 06 '26
I can listen or watch whatever I want at work so with that much time to kill, I've seen a lot of murder podcasts. There are a fair few that are just random camera angles of this dude leaving the crime scene, getting on a bus, and going home. Like every step of the way he's on film.
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u/Stefikel6 Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 07 '26
Nah, in GTA 6, shooting a shot in the air should trigger the cops in the city, and if you’re still in the area, try to stop you wanting to question you, since “ShotSpotters” exist now. They detect the sound of gunshots and trigger a police response.
And if you drove into the area, and later do the same thing multiple times, they can use the correlation between the shotspotters and flock cameras to try to arrest you.
Edit: Clarified my statement was in relation to the game.
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u/dull-tram Sep 06 '26
It will be like this now, crimes need to be seen or caught on cctv. You wont get stars if you are completely off the grid or get rid of witnesses.
“The Wanted system in GTA 6 requires that someone witness the crime, or an alarm needs to be set off for it to be reported to the law,” Nelson explains. “Our dispatch is extremely specific in what it knows.”
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u/JaxMed Sep 06 '26
We'll see when it comes out. I think they said something similar about more realistic crime reporting for both GTA V and RDR2 and yet both games still released with supernaturally omniscient NPCs.
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u/R97R Sep 06 '26
I remember always being frustrated by train robberies in RDR2, as they seemed like a really cool mechanic, but as soon as you stop one, even if it’s in the middle of nowhere, the driver is somehow able to telepathically transmit a distress call to the horde of heavily armed lawmen that just happen to be a minute away from the train at all times. Whatever bounty you might get from the robbery was usually a fair bit in excess of the money you could’ve made, and on top of that it’s not even really worth doing for fun because it just spawns the aforementioned horde of lawmen on top of you as soon as it starts.
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u/CKRatKing Sep 06 '26
In GTA 6 if the cops get alerted they won't even necessarily know they are looking for you. You'll get a wanted level but the stars will be hollow indicating they are searching the area for the reported crime but don't know who they are looking for. Stars can also show up as red meaning they are looking for you but you've cleared all the indicators they had on you, like clothing, vehicle, weapons, etc.
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u/Cl1mh4224rd Sep 06 '26
Stars can also show up as red meaning they are looking for you but you've cleared all the indicators they had on you, like clothing, vehicle, weapons, etc.
This part is incorrect. The red stars just mean that the police have lost sight of you, but you're still in their search area.
You can see this in the Extended Look, when they torch their getaway vehicle. The stars are red, but they still have several Heat indicators.
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u/CKRatKing Sep 06 '26
Sounds like the information I got might have been wrong. My understanding is also that the area on the map will be red if the police are actively searching the area and that if your stars are red once you are out of that area they will clear.
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u/PhantomGamers Sep 06 '26
What you're describing is also the system rdr2 is meant to have lol
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u/Skepsis93 Sep 06 '26
It was pretty good in RDR2 I thought, but not perfect. If you were in the middle of nowhere you can get away with murder if there are no witnesses or you also kill/threaten the witnesses. The mask system was a good idea, you could escape identification sometimes. I think they also had a horse recognition mechanic, so even if you wore a mask you were sometimes identified by your horse. But still, sometimes you'd be identified for seemingly no reason.
My biggest gripe with both GTA V and RDR2 was how they spawned in officers. Once you get a big enough wanted level enemies just spawn on screen sometimes. If Rockstar fixes anything, please fix that bullshit.
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u/Castun Sep 06 '26
My biggest gripe with both GTA V and RDR2 was how they spawned in officers.
The game would spawn in patrol cars directly in your path when you were trying to evade on foot or car. Even if you were out in the middle of the sea the game would spawn police helicopters in front of you. It was a maddening dance of gaming the stupid spawn mechanics to lose your wanted level.
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u/Skie Sep 06 '26
GTA V was the same with requiring a witness. Problem is, the wildlife counted and would report your crimes to the police.
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u/Ruddertail Sep 06 '26
A lot of games have claimed to do this, and I don't think any of them actually have. There's always some catch like "...but NPCs will just mysteriously appear to see you in the middle of nowhere" or "...but the police will surprise check you for evidence even though nobody saw you do it."
Let's see if Rockstar is the first to actually make the system work as described.
edit: "It’s a natural evolution of Red Dead Redemption 2’s bounty system brought into the modern world" doesn't make me very hopeful, that game was notorious for surprise wasteland NPCs appearing to witness you.
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u/toomanyattempts Sep 06 '26
I've not pushed it much, but in Cyberpunk I've tested different guns out in the wasteland and been happily left to my own devices
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u/Ruddertail Sep 06 '26
Well yeah, but in Cyberpunk the cops generally barely react to you even in the city. It's sorta the other side of the coin.
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u/TheDayIRippedMyPants Sep 06 '26
Watch Dogs 2 seemed okay at this if I remember correctly. You could actually see people calling 911 and stop them, and the police seemed to track you and lose you more realistically.
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u/SIGMA920 Sep 06 '26
5 seconds later: Yes it is working as expected, yes NPCs spawning in just at the range where you can't see them but they can see you is intended behavior. /s
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u/BloodSimpleSyrup Sep 06 '26
Or in Red Dead 2 when you commit a crime in the middle of nowhere and not only does a witness miraculously appear, they know your full name, AND they somehow find law enforcement in less than 20 seconds.
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u/R97R Sep 06 '26
It’s an endless frustration that RDR2 put quite a lot of effort into its disguise system, but any NPC classed as a lawman just completely ignores it- they can see a fully-covered person out of the corner of their eye, and every single person in the state will instantly have the knowledge that said person is Arthur Morgan beamed into their head.
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u/Niccin Sep 07 '26
I remember dressing up completely differently in a new outfit, including a mask that completely covered my head, stopped a train halfway along a bridge going over water, went to rob people on the train, and then a little speck of a lawman instantly appeared in the distance at the end of the bridge, used its telescopic x-ray vision to see through the train and Arthur's mask, identified him, and used his psychic powers to report to every other lawman in the country that Arthur Morgan was now wanted for robbery.
Honestly was super disappointing that with all of the crime-related activities that they left in such a broken wanted system and never fixed it.
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u/TrainDestroyer Sep 07 '26
Its why I don't really have much faith in GTA6. Sure it could be good, but GTA5 had the problem of Animals reporting your crimes, and RDR2 had the lawmen just appear regardless. I don't know if it'll actually be improved or not.
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u/WhatIsLoveMeDo Sep 07 '26
Clearly the next step is that animals are lawmen and just appear.
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u/Not_a_real_asian777 Sep 06 '26
I remember the dudes at Gamestop telling me about the new wanted system in GTA V way back in the day. The staff were describing it as citizens pulling out their cell phones to take your picture, people calling 911, police creating a comprehensive plan to take you down and arrest you, your identity being put on the internet and following you, etc. Sounded like a goddamn spy thriller.
Then it turns out that you can go out to the desert, stab the ground with a knife, and the police not only know about the crime, but also have an immediate pinpoint on exactly where you are and spawn in 50 ft from you lol. I'm sure they've improved some things in GTA VI, but I'm not expecting magic no matter how much they hype the new wanted system.
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u/Krauser686 Sep 06 '26
That was partially true. IIRC the GTA V wanted system relied on NPCs acting as witnesses to your crimes, meaning that you wouldn't get any stars if no one saw you. The reason why you could get a star while being in the middle of nowhere is because the animals were considered as valid witnesses in the game code. This was confirmed when the game finally released on PC and there were mods that fixed the wanted system by changing some lines of code lol.
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u/TheBlueEmerald1 Sep 06 '26
In GTA V I found that you could. Maybe it's changed since then it's been a while but I remember even being able to snipe in the middle of nowhere with a suppressor and as long as there was no witness cops didn't show.
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u/AstonMartinZ Sep 06 '26
Animals act like witnesses
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u/daOyster Sep 06 '26
I think that got patched in a semi-recent update for both RDR2 and GTA5 finally.
Also stealth when crouched actually seems to work better now than it used to.
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u/SirCaptainReynolds Sep 06 '26
This ^
If I’m in the middle of a swamp nowhere near anyone or anything you definitely should not pop a star or two and have cops on you in less than 60 seconds.
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u/LLILILiLIILILILILII Sep 06 '26
The peak of GTA is going to be GTA 7 when they add in game games consoles and I can ignore doing my taxes and commuting to work, and just fire up GTA 4 in game
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u/OverlordWaffles Sep 06 '26
What if you fired up GTA 7, to then run GTA: SA where you play the in-game arcade machines?
Game-ception
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u/Puzzleheaded_irl Sep 06 '26
In a new move for a series that has traditionally let players treat its world like a playground, GTA 6's NPCs will organically react to Lucia and Jason if they have their guns out. Rockstar North's joint boss and development lead Rob Nelson has explained the change was made because GTA 5's approach no longer works with 2026's tech.
As we saw briefly in the GTA 6: An Extended Look showcase, some of the world's inhabitants will walk away cautiously if they spot you with a handgun gripped tight. Police might even antagonize you for swinging a rifle around, too. It's a big change from past Rockstar open-worlds, GTA 5 included, which let you run about with a rocket launcher, no problem.
Speaking to TGG about why the change was made, Nelson gave quite a frank answer, explaining that the GTA 5 way might look jarring considering how believable the rest of GTA 6's world is. "We don't feel that works any longer at this resolution with the behavioral sophistication we need from our population now," he says. "In GTA 5, you can pull out a shotgun from nowhere in front of people and they don't react. That doesn't work here."
It's not just NPC reactions that are different. Gone are the days of Grand Theft Auto protagonists hiding military-grade weapons out of sight and in their pockets. "You can always have two concealed handguns on you whenever you want," Nelson explains. "You can carry two long guns and they will be visible on your back and in your hand. You can't put both on your back. One goes in your off hand [and] one on your back if you want to carry two. People will react to you if you are rolling around like that."
Nelson adds that "NPCs are more nuanced than before, so if you just have a long gun on your back, you should be fine. If you've got one in your hand, people don't like it and they react and start moving away from you."
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u/Rombledore Sep 06 '26
seems more Read Dead 2 than GTA V. RDR2 mechanics mixed with GTA V modernity. we already know theres a 'code' system where you're either a consummate professional criminal, or violent mad dog criminal on a sort of morality spectrum- like RDR2.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 Sep 06 '26
“I've known good criminals and bad cops, bad priests, honorable thieves. You can be on one side of the law or the other, but if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again, but you took something that wasn't yours and you sold it for a profit. You're now a criminal. Good one, bad one, that’s up to you.”
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u/elfthehunter Sep 06 '26
I've noticed a weird habit that ppl online seem to forget that Rockstar made RDR2 since making GTA5. It's like because it was a different era/franchise, they don't count it for some reason. I'd expect a ton of gameplay systems to be more inspired by RDR2 than older GTA games, basically anything that could be fitting in modern times, I'd expect a lot of RDR2 DNA to be felt.
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u/mtnchkn Sep 06 '26
And I think that’s everyone who played RDR2’s understanding too. Like instead of a horse saddle you’ve got a car trunk, etc. and yeah, you can’t point a gun at someone without everyone freaking out.
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u/Sex_And_Candy_Here Sep 06 '26
So will GTA VI have truck nuts that react to the weather?
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u/InterwebCat Sep 06 '26
Guard might get nervous, a man approaches with his weapon drawn
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u/Historical_Buy_2698 Sep 06 '26
so just 4 guns at a time? what about throwables, will the player have a grenade belt?
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u/drteq Sep 06 '26
If they are going for realism the police should show up in 30 minutes or not at all
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u/Redditor28371 Sep 06 '26
Response time should vary from 30 seconds to never depending on the neighborhood you commit the crime in.
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u/Bonke_EB Sep 06 '26
That genuinely was a feature in Mafia 3. In the poor and/or black neighborhoods, the police would take much longer to respond and won't search very long or far and with little urgency. But commit a crime in the rich white neighborhoods and they are on your ass instantly.
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u/Major_Higgins Sep 06 '26
That is some based game design.
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u/kreyul504 Sep 07 '26
Mafia 3 was a very interesting experience, I enjoyed the features. Sadly there was jank getting in the way even soft locking game until save file is reloaded. Talking about Mafia, I have vague memories of Mafia 1 I think where police would get on your ass if you had a gun out.
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u/stephenkingending Sep 06 '26
They should make it dependent on the area they are responding to. Inner city poor? Never show up. Rich white neighborhood? Random black kid gets shot by the police for carrying a super soaker.
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u/PtoS382 Sep 06 '26
People have to use in game voice chat to call in game 911 and clearly say which intersection they're at in order to get police to show up
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u/FrankSand Sep 06 '26
I demand immersion so good that the wealthier I become my wanted stars increase at a slower rate.
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u/sushisection Sep 06 '26
yall have to realize that gta 6 is just red dead redemption set in modern miami. the gameplay and pacing is ripped straight from rdr
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u/5u114 Sep 06 '26
Ya, that's what I was figuring too. Which is fine by me, and if Red Dead is going to set the precedent for their systems, that's also fine by me as it bodes well for Red Dead 3.
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u/novus_nl Sep 06 '26
I think they mentioned that they have more simulations running. So walking with your guns out might be seen by people and police called. Or when you do shopping theft the police be called by witnesses. I guess more in line with RDR2 but probably more sophisticated. So yeah playing like in GTA5 would end you up with 4stars all the time.
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u/AcanthaceaeCrazy1894 Sep 06 '26
If the police in Floria got called for everytime someone was seen with a gun their phone line would be literally destroyed
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u/richisnice Sep 06 '26
The realism stuff will be super cool. I really hope there’s an arcade style mode where those systems are off. Sometimes I just wanna do GTA stuff and not worry about the gas in the car.
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u/Omni__Owl Sep 06 '26
I have reread that headline several times. I cannot understand what the fuck it's saying.
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u/bc_gamez Sep 06 '26
I think it means the NPCs will treat you differently as someone walking around with a gun instead of ignoring you.
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u/Toutatous Sep 06 '26 edited Sep 06 '26
I like that. Much more realistic (they should call the police) and it will make missions more challenging.
You'll probably have to wait until the last moment to draw your weapon.
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u/Kingdarkshadow Sep 06 '26
That better also applies to other npcs with guns too...
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u/WhyWouldIPostThat Sep 06 '26
In a new move for a series that has traditionally let players treat its world like a playground, GTA 6's NPCs will organically react to Lucia and Jason if they have their guns out.
First sentence of the article
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u/Ilcorvomuerto666 Sep 06 '26
He said he reread the headline multiple times. He never stated that he read the article lol
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u/Elgato01 Sep 06 '26
GTA 5 was more arcadey and chaotic, with GTA 6 they’re focusing more on immersion and realism, walking around the city with an al-47 will likely not be as consequence free as it used to be, police and NPCs will respond accordingly
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u/Sanquinity Sep 06 '26
Sooo...they make it sound very big, but aren't they just basically moving npc reacting to gunshots, to merely holding the gun? npcs in GTA5 react to aggressive actions too, just to a later part in the act...
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u/deceitfulninja Sep 06 '26
You know, maybe I'm in the minority, but I think this series moving toward realism and away from absurdism is not in the best interest of fun. Remember when GTA had kill frenzies? (Later redubbed rampages).
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u/Forlorn_Swatchman Sep 06 '26
Next thing you know we will have to pay red light camera fines and get audited by the IRS for not reporting our income
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u/Dennidude Sep 06 '26
I'm sure I'll enjoy it somewhat when it comes to PC in years but ever since GTA 4 I haven't liked how GTA started making the sandbox part of the game not fun and limited for the sake of "realism".
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u/deceitfulninja Sep 06 '26
Yep, 4 is where it shifted. San Andreas was bonkers. Jetpacks and aliens and the like. 4 was a big step back in fun but with the graphics boost and all that conversation was overshadowed.
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u/whereismymind86 Sep 06 '26
same, i found gta 4 a chore to play, and never even got through gtav, and that was a big part of it.
We don't need to go completely off the rails with the wacky like saints row, but I feel like there is a middle ground.
That or just make the sim elements an optional difficulty toggle, like the realism mode in fallout (which required you to periodically sleep, eat, drink, and go to a doctor for major injuries, rather than just healing through stuff)
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u/Aemilia Sep 06 '26
Watch Dogs already did it in 2014.
When I first played the game and not familiar with the controls yet, I was unaware walking around with weapons out was taboo lol. NPCs flinched at the sight of the gun, ran away and even called the cops lol.
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u/TrainDestroyer Sep 07 '26
Its actually something I liked about Watch Dogs. If you were a 'good Karma' player, NPCs would be less likely to call the cops just for you walking around with a gun out. Meanwhile if you were bad karma, they'd call the cops just if they knew who to look for
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u/BlackAera Sep 07 '26
Seems like Rockstar is upping the immersion from RDR2 even higher. Can't wait to do my taxes and repair my lambo for a fortune.
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u/Scrubscloset54 Sep 06 '26
Man, if i wanted this much realism, I'd go outside. Just let me do my dumb crime sandbox.
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u/RecoveredAshes Sep 06 '26
Bro fr. Keeping up with food, sleep, money, and my relationship? I’m 30 I find that hard as is. Using my limited time on a video game where I have to manage the same chores feels like something that GTA 4 or 5 would have depicted as satire.
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u/GenericNate Sep 06 '26
It would be awesome to be able to set different levels of law enforcement realism. "Arcade" for being able to run around with guns and ram cars out of your way with no issue, "Realistic" for not being able to brandish weapons, and having cops open investigations into you if witnesses or cameras spot you committing crimes.
There could be a separate set of options for how realistically traffic violations are enforced, and what's involved in removing wanted levels.
For super hardcore players, maybe if the cops manage to identify you, you have a permanent wanted level until you manage to find and kill or intimidate the relevant witness, or destroy evidence.
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u/lucitribal Sep 06 '26
I'll be honest, realism is not something I'm looking for in a GTA game. If anything, I miss the GTA3/Vice City/San Andreas era that was cartoony and absurd.
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u/KrunoOs Sep 06 '26
English isn't my first language. Can't see how's that connected to resolution?
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u/gravelPoop Sep 06 '26
I took it is more to do with the resolution of the simulation systems. As in NPC behavior and such are far more complex, the gun wielding is taken into account.
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u/RMC1933 Sep 06 '26
They mean at this higher level of detail/realism in the game world. The original definition of resolution is separating the parts of something more complex. Still a weird way to describe it.
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u/Serbian-American Sep 06 '26
Resolution is being used as a synonym for level of detail.
At this level of detail it would be jarring to pull an RPG out of your ass like in GTA 5. So instead, weapon models will be on your person if they are in your inventory, and people will react.
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u/grivooga Sep 06 '26
Interesting for the main storyline but I hope there's a way to put it in a free play mode that dials it back and brings back some of the free form insanity.
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u/Cowboy_Dandy_III Sep 06 '26
I’m assuming it won’t let you run red lights without speed cameras catching you and fining you too then?
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u/Zoratt Sep 06 '26
Or if you break up with a cop in game, said cop tracks you with cameras 1100+ times.
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u/kingOofgames Sep 06 '26
Isn’t Florida an open carry state?
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u/sleepygringus Sep 06 '26
Open carry doesn’t mean you can walk around wielding a firearm
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u/SnooGiraffes7874 Sep 07 '26
The more I hear about the game the less enthusiastic I am about it. My potential hot take, the "immersion" aspects of rdr2 got in the way of the fun for me. So much tedious shit that could have just been toggles just drug it down
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u/Iryanus Sep 07 '26
"Oh my god, he has a gun, kill him!!!!"
"Oh, how nice, he doesn't have a gun, just a huge rocket launcher shoved up his ass, everything clear."
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u/but-I-play-one-on-TV Sep 06 '26
Makes me wonder if NPC police will attack the character if guns are drawn. If the world is modelled after Florida they'll probably hand you more ammo.
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u/FellowDeviant Sep 06 '26
I can already read the people's complaints that Lucia shouldn't realistically hold an RPG and a sniper on her back when they were totally okay with Trevor pulling an RPG out his ass crack for years.
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u/Hour_Option_2439 Sep 06 '26
Which he would have managed to keep in his ass crack even after blowing himself up with it, and getting resurrected in a hospital and let out 3 hours after
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u/Yorick257 Sep 06 '26
Let's hope they'll also add the speed limit system like in Mafia! And maybe a fine for running red light. This will make the game so much more fun!
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u/betimwrong Sep 06 '26
This game is gonna be a hard Sim snooze fest. Can't wait to see all the backlash
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u/chaz6 Sep 06 '26
If you play as a black character do the police randomly stop you, plant drugs in your car, and take you to jail?
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u/Spare_Pin305 Sep 06 '26
We're gonna get article after article of nothingburger journalism for the next decade with GTA 6 aren't we.
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u/SlashNreap Sep 06 '26
My problem with realism is that realism doesn't automatically mean believable or better. There are unrealistic things that otherwise make sense for a universe.
In GTA IV, the story was relatively grounded. The tone was set, but yet Niko could walk around with an RPG and M4A1. The thing is, it's not entirely unbelievable, when you look at the wider GTA universe. People get away with a lot in that universe. And I mean a lot.
Another thing is, for example, I love motorcycles. But if I'm playing GTA, I don't want to have to worry about periodic oil changes on my Shitzu bike, but that sure as hell would be realistic lol
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u/Ok_Buffalo_423 Sep 06 '26
As long as they dont keep swapping my weapons without my input like RDR2 Im sure Ill get used to it
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u/No-Housing1669 Sep 06 '26
Just need a lot of interactive interiors. All these little immersion details are all well and good, but if the map is just a studio set rather than a city, those buildings might as well be cardboard cutouts.
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u/Betray-Julia Sep 06 '26
GTA needs to have missions where you need to go cut down the flock cameras for rewards.
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u/railroadfrog Sep 06 '26
This is how RDR2 is, if you pull out a firearm from your holster, NPCs will avoid you or not interact with you via storefronts and such. Same with wearing a mask / bandana. Sounds like GTA will be a more realistic version of that, where you may need to store your rifles in a duffel bag or something that you carry on your back when moving through populated areas.