r/politics • u/Particular_Log_3594 • 6d ago

No Paywall Obama: Israel 'took the land' from Palestinians, 'ceded moral ground' in Gaza

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-911851
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u/TerrorKingA 6d ago

Palestinians also tried peaceful protests multiple times and got rewarded with brutal Israeli violence that resulted in maiming and deaths.

In the West Bank, they don’t even fight back because they know Settler reprisal will be backed by the IDF, and result in even greater catastrophe.

This “both sides” nonsense obfuscates the reality. It is entirely in Israel’s hands to stop the violence.

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u/currogator 6d ago

Netanyahu literally accused PA leader Mahmoud Abbas of “diplomatic terrorism” for asking the UN to mediate between the PA and Israel. The PA (which nominally governs the West Bank) is controlled by Fatah, which opposes Hamas.

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u/Financial-Painter689 Europe 5d ago

Everybody should watch the Gaza Fights for Freedom documentary to see how Israel handles Gaza peaceful protests

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u/walkallover1991 District Of Columbia 6d ago

Exactly. Every Palestinian tomorrow can wake up tomorrow, sing kumbaya, do a peaceful "Baltic Way" style human chain, and would still be rewarded with Israeli bullets - Israel would somehow spin the human chain was somehow violent.

All one needs to do is look at the 2016 Gaza border wall protests...that weren't even initially sanctioned by Hamas.

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u/cited 6d ago

They've never done it. Never. This conflict would have been resolved decades ago if they had. It would have been resolved day 1 because that's exactly what the UN proposed in 1948. Israel's moral ground is because they are fighting terrorists who act like terrorists and have done so for 80 years.

Until they do actually want peace, what should Israel do against nonstop aggression?

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u/shoto9000 5d ago

Since you already ignored it twice, I expect you'll just do it again, but regardless: what about the peaceful protests that did happen? The ones that ended in the protesters being kneecapped or killed by snipers, and their demands getting absolutely nowhere. If all it took was peaceful protests, why didn't it work, and why did Israel respond with violence anyway?

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u/ALargeClam67 5d ago

what were they protesting for?

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u/shoto9000 5d ago

The end of the blockade of Gaza? The end of the occupation/settlement of the West Bank? The killing of Palestinians by the IDF/Settlers/both?

But more importantly, which causes do you think it would be acceptable to kneecap and murder peaceful protesters over? What could they have possibly be doing to justify that response in your eyes?

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u/cited 5d ago

Which protests? The ones where they were breaking barriers and throwing rocks at soldiers?

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u/currogator 6d ago

I mean, not killing everyone and stealing their land would be a start.

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u/disisathrowaway 5d ago

The West Bank has been peaceful and passive for a long time and yet Israel continues to cosign on settler encroachment and the victimization of Palestinians there.

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u/senator_mendoza 5d ago

lol what??? Look I’m very opposed to how the settlers behave in the West Bank and the IDF support for settler violence, but acting like the Palestinians don’t commit their own attacks is being willfully blind.

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u/Continental__Drifter 5d ago

what should Israel do against nonstop aggression?

The state of Israel exists as an act of aggression.

The state was formed in an act of ethnic cleansing and land theft by a colonizing, occupying power.

You might as well ask what should Russian forces in Ukraine do against Ukrainian aggression.

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u/iadnm 6d ago

what should Israel do against nonstop aggression?

Probably stop perpetuating it, that will probably help.

And ooh all those terrorist children, real moral high ground.

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u/cited 6d ago

"The citizens will continue defending their pride and houses and will continue to serve as human shields until the enemy will withdraw." Hamas spokesman Mushir Al-Masri

"The fact that people are willing to sacrifice themselves against Israeli warplanes in order to protect their homes, I believe this strategy is proving itself. And we, Hamad, call on our people to adopt this practice." Sami Abu Zuhri, Hamas spokesman after the IDF aborted an airstrip due to potential civilian casualties 9 July 2014

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u/iadnm 5d ago

Is that why Israel gave Hamas literal breifcases of money?

Any time you bring up in Hamas in relation the genocide of the Palestinians conducted by Israel, it's underminded by the fact that Israel has funded them.

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u/cited 5d ago

https://checkthisfact.com/factchecks/israel-and-netanyahu-financed-and-created-hamas

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u/iadnm 4d ago

I love this shit cause it refutes nothing I said. Obviously Netenyahu didn't create Hamas, Hamas existed before he was prime minister.

But he did give them briefcases of money while prime minister, which means he funded them directly.

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u/cited 4d ago

Does this excuse Hamas's actions?

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u/_Fred_Austere_ 6d ago

That's the ceding part. I had exactly OPs attitude. I remember them rejecting tons of peace deals over multiple presidents, over my whole life. These guys deserve everything they get.

But Israeli settlers stealing houses, soldiers raping civilians, kids being killed. Took a while of wearing out the benefit of doubt, but now fuck these guys too.

I think most Palestinian civilians are not as innocent as some want to believe, but there's some things you still don't do, no matter what.

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u/cited 5d ago

I'm talking about the Palestinians pursuing peace.

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u/Santandals 5d ago

Nope, israelis are terrorists

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u/BillyJoeMac9095 5d ago

What they did not do was give Obama a serious commitment to support a peace process, which Kerry was seeking.

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u/elihu 6d ago

It is entirely in Israel’s hands to stop the violence.

Mostly; not entirely. It's also in the US's hands to stop giving Israel weapons and protecting them from repercussions.

It's up to the Palestinians to be ready to negotiate a peace in good faith if ever Israel is willing (or at least unwillingly compelled) to do the same.