Trump says he could be ‘last Republican president’

[u/ushaque]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/6144713-donald-trump-republican-party-midterm-struggles/amp/

[u/leviathan65]

People have the memory of a goldfish. He had a horrible first term and tanked the economy. Biden fixed it and had the "envy of the world" after covid. Trump fucked it up again. But people forgot how much he fucked up the first time around. Ridiculous

[u/Ancient_Popcorn → u/leviathan65]

They had to vote for Trump. They couldn’t fathom voting for a woman or another black person, and Kamala was both.

[u/pikachu191 → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

People forgot how unserious they were. When they voted for Biden to fix Trump's mess, they also voted for Republicans in the undercards of congressmen and Senators in that same election. This meant nothing could get done. Republicans were determined to filibuster anything because Democrats didn't have the 60 seats needed to overcome a filibuster. They did everything they could to prevent any accounting for Trump: refusing to participate in the Jan 6 commission, rationalizing every acquittal they made on Trump on technicalities and blaming Democrats. Even as they were cowering in the House chamber on that day with only a handful of Secret Service agents (for then VP Pence's protection) as a last line of defense from the angry MAGA mob.

Manchin and Sinema proved to be opportunists who watered down any Democratic legislation for their own special interests, since Biden had to have their votes to get anything done. Meanwhile Democrats wanted Biden out (there were stories that the establishment never wanted him in the first place), even while admitting he did a good job getting the US to recover from covid-19, but still too old (Bernie Sanders is older, and so is Nancy Pelosi). Biden got mocked for being old and falling off his bike (without breaking any ribs or other bones) and voters decided let's bring back the con artist of a reality TV host who's only 3 years younger and uses a golf cart playing golf (real matches have the competitors walk the entirety of the course).

[u/gtobiast13 → u/pikachu191]

People look at me weird when I say democrats functionally lost 2020 even while winning. 

2020 should have been a blowout election season for dems. Between the botched Covid response, economy problems, general chaos, and mounting legal issues for the Trump admin, any competent opposition should have won the White House and both chambers with a super majority, it should have been the blowout of the century. 

Sure, statistically the electoral college victory was pretty solidly in bidens favor, but somehow, after all of that, 12 million more people came out to vote for Trump than in 2016. By no means was it a landslide in presidential election history. Not to mention, dems spent almost double the amount of campaign money on Biden than Trump got from republicans and they still only won by slim margins. 

On top of that, the senate was effectively “won” by the 1 vote the VP gets. The dems lost 14 seats in the house and just clung to a majority, and dems lost another governor seat giving republicans a 2 seat lead. 

Dems came to fight with a loaded m16 against an opponent bleeding out with a shiv and they still got sliced and diced and won by the slimmest margins. 

I hate saying this but the people really made their voices heard that cycle. They weren’t happy with trump, but they really didn’t want to alter course either. 

[u/100LimeJuice → u/gtobiast13]

Biden's electoral college victory was not pretty solid. As NPR's Domenico Montanaro has put it, "just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College." Source NPR: https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/940689086/narrow-wins-in-these-key-states-powered-biden-to-the-presidency

[u/Show_Me_Your_Cubes → u/100LimeJuice]

It's pretty solid when you consider that the Trump admin but a lot of effort into cheating the election, and still lost

[u/guamisc → u/gtobiast13]

They weren’t happy with trump, but they really didn’t want to alter course either

They don't want status quo Democrats. It's why Trump was elected in the first place. We keep offering them the same bland, uninspiring gruel.

[u/Zuwxiv → u/guamisc]

Biden won the primary by a landslide. Absolutely walloped everyone else. Either progressives don't show up for primaries, or they just aren't as popular as they think they are. And I'm a progressive. (I voted for Warren in the 2020 primary.)

Democrats "keep offering" the candidate who wins the primary. That's where people need to focus if they want "to be offered" better candidates in November.

[u/pikachu191 → u/Zuwxiv]

Either progressives don't show up for primaries, or they just aren't as popular as they think they are.

I think it's the latter. The nature of the electoral college means you have to appeal to "purple" states. Purple states don't care about progressive issues as much as they do with so-called "everyday" issues. Progressive darlings like AOC or Bernie Sanders exist in states or districts which heavily favor Democrats anyways. What the Democratic establishment forgot or underestimated was the difficulty of replicating the turnout of 2020 in 2024. They ignored the precedent set when LBJ was forced out by his own party in a similar fashion to Biden. The result was a victory by Nixon, who appealed that campaign season to "law and order" and a "silent majority" (of white people) in a similar fashion to how GOP politicians appeal to campaign against "wokeness" and "DEI"; part of the "southern strategy" to peel away Democrats in the South who were alienated by LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act of 1965 (predicted by LBJ). They assumed that it would be easy to kick Biden to the curb, plug in a replacement candidate, and replicate Biden's appeal in purple states.

[u/Zuwxiv → u/pikachu191]

The nature of the electoral college means you have to appeal to "purple" states.

Well, the electoral college definitely is fucked and anti-democratic today. And functionally, the election is decided by the swing states. But it gets a bit tricky.

There's a decent argument that you win swing states not by appealing to swing voters, but by increasing your base's turnout. McCain in 2008 defended Obama from someone accusing him of being a Muslim or anti-American. You're not going to see that today. Politics is disturbingly polarized; true swing voters are rarer to find. Is there someone who voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024, but is somehow open to a Democrat next month? ... Sure. I bet you can find someone who voted Trump / Biden / Trump, or even Hillary / Trump / Kamala.

But you know what's a whole lot easier? Getting some of the 30+% of eligible voters who already agree with you but just don't bother to show up to vote.

Maybe there's 100,000 people in Virginia who would vote for Trump, but with an enormous amount of work, could be convinced to vote for Bernie Sanders. But 30% of eligible voters didn't vote at all. If you want to find 100,000 voters, it's all kinds of easier to find the ones who are already on your side and convince them to spend 10 minutes voting.

I was a swing voter in the 2000s. But I can't see that now. "Democrats are satanists hell-bent on destroying America and harming your children" is a mainstream Republican viewpoint. That used to be whacko nonsense that prominent Republicans shot down, even in election season. And it goes both ways - "MAGA republicans are fascist traitors hellbent on destroying American democratic institutions" is also a prominent leftist viewpoint. (I'd say that one is true.) There's less room than ever for purple, so there's pretty good merit to the argument that appealing to Iowa has nothing to do with middle-ground policies, and everything to do with turnout and maybe state-specific issues like corn subsidies.

Which, to be fair, is probably what you were getting at anyway.

[u/Murky-Relation481 → u/Zuwxiv]

I mean get out the vote campaigns have been huge, but it just doesn't yield results. Young people are fundamentally disengaged from politics and have been for decades, and it will continue to get worse as every generation grows a slightly larger and larger cohort of parents who don't do politics and as such their kids wont do it either.

I mean I see the logic of trying to sway active voters who vote for the other side but might be considering going a different direction when you look at how much money has been thrown into get out the vote stuff with hardly any results.

[u/guamisc → u/Murky-Relation481]

I mean get out the vote campaigns have been huge, but it just doesn't yield results. Young people are fundamentally disengaged from politics and have been for decades, and it will continue to get worse as every generation grows a slightly larger and larger cohort of parents who don't do politics and as such their kids wont do it either.

Have you tried not offering insipid, uninspired incremental nonsense that's led to the resurgent populist and fascist right wing because people are tired of useless dreck?

Or nah?

[u/Zuwxiv → u/Murky-Relation481]

how much money has been thrown into get out the vote stuff with hardly any results.

Every non-incumbent Democratic president elected in a generation has done so with huge get-out-the-vote campaigns: Obama 2008 and Biden 2020. (The only one left is Obama 2012 as a popular incumbent.)

Yes, there's a huge problem with young people voting. But when they do, they win. The fact that it's hard to get people to vote doesn't change that the winning strategy is getting them to.

And again, if you want X votes, it's easier to get them from the apathetic than from people ideologically opposed to you, somewhat.

[u/pikachu191 → u/Zuwxiv]

Maybe there's 100,000 people in Virginia who would vote for Trump, but with an enormous amount of work, could be convinced to vote for Bernie Sanders.

I would say Virginia is safely blue right now, considering I'm from Northern Virginia. There's a large contingent of red in the countryside, especially towards the Shenandoah and Blue Ridge mountains. But grass can't vote. And of course, DOGE affecting a lot of federal workers , which MAGA forgot live in Virginia. Then there's the MAGA candidate, Winsome-Sears, they pushed out to run for governor the other year. Aka Miss "I am speaking". Needless to say, she lost in a landslide to Spanberger. Even the pastor's wife at my church, who is very (and often inappropriately) vocal about MAGA politics kept her mouth shut about Democrats (for a while).

[u/inuvash255 → u/Zuwxiv]

That's not exactly how that time felt.

Prior to Super Tuesday, there was a wide, wide field. Biden wasn't doing particularly great, and Bernie had the plurality.

Just before ST, like days, the news was blasting about how if every Dem who wasn't Bernie or Biden dropped out, Biden would be winning 65-35. They pretty much all did. Warren dropped shortly after, noncommittally.

[u/necrosxiaoban → u/inuvash255]

Buttigieg dropping out when he did, and the votes that went to Biden because of it, versus Warren holding on and splitting the progressive vote with Bernie -- the timing of it all was definitely what swung it to Biden.

If Buttigieg had stayed in longer, or had Warren had dropped out when Buttigieg did, it could have been a much closer result.

[u/IllllIIIllllIl → u/necrosxiaoban]

I also think it isn’t terribly more psychologically complex for the average Dem voter than Biden representing a continued Obama era, which is still seen as an optimistic hope-filled presidency after the Bush era. It’s why despite showing no interest or political enthusiasm for it, Michelle Obama was a major name being fronted in summer 2024 before Kamala was given the candidacy, with varying degrees of seriousness.

[u/Galxloni2 → u/necrosxiaoban]

Conveniently leaving out bloomberg who pulled exclusively from biden vs Warren who also pulled primarily from Biden

[u/necrosxiaoban → u/Galxloni2]

I had to look that one up, looks like Bloomberg didn't enter until Super Tuesday, which is probably why I didn't remember him. That and he evidently didn't have much impact.

Also a shout-out to Amy Klobuchar who also had dropped out with Buttigieg, tho her #s were much smaller.

[u/Murky-Relation481 → u/inuvash255]

I mean yah, there was a lot of candidates with the same general platform as Biden, at the end of the day the calculus amongst campaigns was "we're not going to win on our own and this will get drawn out, but if the majority of us as a platform is popular lets go with the person we think has the best brand recognition" and that was Biden. Also Sanders was not as particularly novel in 2020 as in 2016 since he was basically able to dictate the party platform to a large degree after the backlash to how his primary was handled in 2016 in an attempt to bring more potential voters who hadn't been excited about the party until Sanders into the fold.

[u/Galxloni2 → u/inuvash255]

You guys always make the same bad argument. Your entire argument relies on Bernie "deserving" to win with 30% of the vote because the 70% who has the same platform were splitting the rest of the vote

[u/inuvash255 → u/Galxloni2]

I'm not even making an argument. I'm not even saying it's unfair.

That's just what happened. They consolidated around Biden.

[u/Galxloni2 → u/inuvash255]

you very obviously were making an arument. dont try and pretend you weren't

[u/teplightyear → u/Zuwxiv]

Kamala didn't win any primaries.

[u/Zuwxiv → u/teplightyear]

You might want to re-read the comment thread and see what year everyone was talking about.

Even if you want to change the topic to other years else, it shouldn't need to be explained to you why 2024 was an exceptional circumstance. It's exactly what would have happened if Biden had been incapacitated. (Which arguably is basically what happened anyway.) "They won the primary" is true of every modern democratic primary, anyway.

Edit: The old reply-and-then-block, signature move of the thinnest skin around. Makes me wonder if they're a bot.

[u/teplightyear → u/Zuwxiv]

You said "Democrats "keep offering" the candidate who wins the primary." I showed an instance where that wasn't true. Point/counterpoint. I read the thread just fine.

Also, did Biden die? No. Did he resign the office of President? No. Was the 25th amendment invoked? No. He was alive, had a bad debate, and the DNC establishment decided without any input from the electorate that Kamala should be the candidate instead. It was a tremendous break from how our leaders are chosen.

[u/MountainMan2_ → u/Zuwxiv]

Did you... Pay any attention to the 2020 primaries? The corporate Dems cleared the field for Biden and left a spoiler in warren on the progressive side to ensure Bernie didn't win. Then, conservative ass south Carolina voted Biden and the entire establishment told everyone to go home. At the same time, Republicans put 30 times the pressure on Bernie as they did Biden throughout the dem primary, and the Russian investigation came back that they WERE MEDDLING in 2016 but the corporate Dems hushed it immediately.

The level of pressure corporate Dems and Republicans put on the progressives to shut us up is incredible. If they treated us like part of the same damn party as the corporate Dems instead of literally a higher priority target than the Republicans, we'd have a hundred house seats. Don't pretend like this is all on us for losing. We have tried the corporate option. We have tried neoliberalism. It got us trump. The fact donors and party insiders are still hemming and hawing over whether to support progressives after 2020 signals a party that is more interested in being the minority in a dictatorship than sticking their neck out and pushing something new. Remember, MLK said his biggest opponent in the civil rights movement was the complacent voter. The one who thought that Jim crow was wrong but wasn't going to vote about it. At some point dem leadership needs to stop trying to be the perfect centrist and start pushing a narrative. That's what the Dems refuse to do and it's why the Republicans always have the edge. I guarantee you, 8 years ago not a single Republican could name a trans person in sports, and that shit pushed probably 10 million votes in 2024. The corporate Dems took that chance to introduce new issues and spent it finding the scientifically most average position possible until it was too late to actually stand for anything. They need to find common ground with their own party or get out of the way, because the progressives are the only side pushing new issues at all anymore. You can't argue numbers when you don't even have a platform beyond the status quo, that's like arguing about the decorations on the 53rd story of a skyscraper that's currently a parking lot.

[u/Zuwxiv → u/MountainMan2_]

Did you... Pay any attention to the 2020 primaries? The corporate Dems cleared the field for Biden and left a spoiler in warren on the progressive side to ensure Bernie didn't win

God, I'm sick of these "secret shadow people rigged the primary." It's just liberal Qanon.

In the 2020 primary, Biden got a majority of votes. Biden had almost twice as many votes as Bernie Sanders. Biden got more than 1.5 times as many votes as Sanders and Warren combined. This schtick got old in 2017. People didn't show up to vote for Bernie.

I don't know how you reconcile supporting democracy and having a huge problem that Biden, who got >50% of overall votes in the primary, won the primary. If it was Biden 37%, Bernie 35%, Warren 28% then you'd have a point. But Bernie just flat out won a majority of votes. Nobody stopped people from voting for Sanders (or Warren, for that matter).

There's a million things you can blame Democratic leadership for, but "Biden was genuinely more popular and got far more votes than everyone else, so he was our candidate" is not one of them.

Remember, MLK said his biggest opponent in the civil rights movement was the complacent voter. The one who thought that Jim crow was wrong but wasn't going to vote about it.

This is one of my favorite MLK quotes, so I think it's worth being specific. It wasn't about complacent voters. It was white moderates who agree with the principle, but find issue with the time or methods of seeking justice. Letter from a Birmingham Jail:

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White citizens’ “Councilor” or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direst action” who paternistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

Changing gears: The reason Dems ran away from trans women in sports is because it's broadly unpopular with the population, including Democrats. Maybe "discretion is the better part of valor," and Democrats can pull an Obama on same sex marriage: Oppose it when running for office, but once you have power, work to protect rights.

Or maybe people should get more comfortable with holding an unpopular opinion when they believe it is just and right.

the progressives are the only side pushing new issues at all anymore.

100% agreed.

[u/Galxloni2 → u/MountainMan2_]

You clearly do not remember that primary clearly at all, or you just were never paying attention in the first place

[u/guamisc → u/MountainMan2_]

The level of pressure corporate Dems and Republicans put on the progressives to shut us up is incredible.

It's incredible victim blaming. Just amazing the level of bullshit that gets flung for people that refuse to introspect at all.

No, it's the children who are wrong apparently.

[u/teplightyear → u/guamisc]

Even more important: they didn't want a candidate foisted on them by the DNC without a primary. We do primaries in this country. We don't let the party heads pick the candidate. That was 100% of the reason Kamala lost.

[u/guamisc → u/teplightyear]

No it wasn't. It was a reason, not the reason.

The reason, if there is one, is that Democrats keep trying to get back to the status quo everyone fucking hates.

[u/wintersmith1970 → u/gtobiast13]

It was obvious that prior to Covid, the Democratic party wasn't expecting to win the presidential election, and were just trying to stifle any progressive candidates from getting the nomination. If Trump had properly handled the outbreak and the protests around the police he wouldn't have lost.

[u/Key_Inevitable_2104 → u/wintersmith1970]

I agree.

[u/Gekokapowco → u/gtobiast13]

2020 was really the "51% ice cream and a blowjob, 49% painful torturous death for yourself and everyone you know" voter split

the choice should have been extremely obvious but people vote against their own interests, and the stupidity x propaganda injection is simply too strong to overcome

[u/MoonBatsRule → u/gtobiast13]

Plenty of division was sowed prior to the 2020 election. Primarily:

• "Masks are oppression unless I am trying to hide my identity when I invade the capitol!"
• "We should have been like Sweden and just given everyone herd immunity!"
• "We should have let the kids get infected, they would have been fine, and if their grandparents who take care of them die, well, that's a black thang!"
• "Those people who died didn't die from COVID. They died from things like heart and lung failure, and just happened to have COVID at the time!"
• "It was a lab leak!"
• "Ivermectin! The government is stopping me from using horse medicine!"
• "I'm a pureblood, I will never get the vaccine. In search of single white unvaccinated female".

A lot of people took the side of the morons. Yeah, some of the stuff was overblown in retrospect. Masking outdoors was dumb - but given the uncertainty of the disease, why not err on the side of caution a bit?

[u/No_Fairweathers → u/gtobiast13]

Well when you factor in Trump was probably right about voter fraud in 2020... FOR him, the results make more sense that they weren't a blow out.

He's pissed that he cheated and still lost. That's why he can't get over it.

[u/tomphammer → u/gtobiast13]

No one was excited about Biden. There were maybe a tiny minority of people who managed to deluded themselves into thinking they were, but he was a choice in resignation.

With a candidate that amounted to a heavy sigh and “alright” at the top of the ticket, why would Dems win down ballot races?

They never had a shot

[u/brundlfly → u/gtobiast13]

Behold, the power of the media to sway opinion. Other reasons too, but large swaths of the country don't even look at anything but Fox.

[u/IDreamOfLoveLost → u/pikachu191]

Even as they were cowering in the House chamber on that day with only a handful of Secret Service agents (for then VP Pence's protection) as a last line of defense from the angry MAGA mob.

Let's be real. Even if several Republican reps had been literally dragged out in front of congress and lynched by the J6 attackers, Republicans would still be carrying water for Donald right now.

[u/padizzledonk → u/pikachu191]

Youre kind of retconning things here a little

I think you should go back and watch Bidens debate with trump and remember how bad it was

Would i rather a braindead biden right now? Yeah, no question, but he had absolutely 0 chance of winning after that debate, it was horrendous and he came off as an addled and confused old man

There are a LOT of things we can talk about that were ridiculous and unfair, as well as the absolute disaster that was crowning/annointing Harris without a primary- a quite bad politician that was nothing but an empty suit and kind of stood for both nothing and everything-- again, id be thrilled if she were president right now instead of Trump, that choice was obvious then and its even moreso now in retrospect-- but not Bidens prospects for reelection, or his poor performance or optics and realities around his age-- thats all legitimate and real. He was a terrible communicator

[u/mittenedkittens → u/padizzledonk]

I agree, he came off as a confused old man. But, the part I don’t understand is how people saw Trump’s performance as any different. He was just as old as Biden but made far less sense.

[u/Iplaymeinreallife → u/mittenedkittens]

For some reason, the public only requires near perfection of the candidates perceived as more to the left or more progressive. Conservative, regressive and authoritarian candidates only need to show up.

[u/padizzledonk → u/mittenedkittens]

But, the part I don’t understand is how people saw Trump’s performance as any different.

OH I AGREE on that, however, that Biden looked SO bad even in comparison to the mess that Trump was is really a statement on just how fucking bad his performance was in that debate. Trump was so fucking nuts and said so many outrageous things in that debate that it was astonishing that he didnt hardly say anything about like 90% of it and the things he did manage to catch out if the air and try to address he just failed utterly at.

I ate downvotes for a solid month after that debate saying he needs to step aside lol

The entire debate was one if the most embarrassing things for this country that ive ever witnessed tbh---I left it feeling like we are fucked and are so lost as a country and we have no hope here if these 2 people are the best we can put forward, and a bit sad that Biden apparently surrounded and isolated himself with such sychophants that no one told him the truth. Really? Nobody close to him had the compassion to tell that man he needed to hang it up and retreat gracefully into history?

Everyone wants to blame Harris and the DNC/Establishment for 2024 but really Biden and his team around him that last year hold the lions share of the blame imo.

[u/mr-ron → u/padizzledonk]

Everyone wants to blame Harris and the DNC/Establishment for 2024 but really Biden and his team around him that last year hold the lions share of the blame imo.

This. Biden will unfortunately go down as one of the weakest presidents in context because he blew the 2024 election so badly.

[u/HowTheyGetcha → u/padizzledonk]

"They're eating our cats and dogs"

"No plan, but concepts of a plan"

Voters: "I don't know about this Biden guy. Let's bring back the sprightly young man who caused 100,000 unnecessary COVID deaths and a $12B taxpayer bailout from a pointless war against allies. Sure over a dozen Nobel Prize-winning economists penned a letter warning against his tariff plan, and nearly a dozen generals and admirals warned against his commanding the military... but Biden was off his game."

Sorry, no, I have no sympathy for the voters who did this to America.

Edit: Adjudicated rapist, 34x convicted felon fraudster, indicted and arraigned for crimes against America, twice-impeached... I mean pick any obvious disqualifier.

[u/fluffy_bunny_87 → u/padizzledonk]

I really wish Harris would have said something to put herself apart from Biden. At times it felt like she was trying to say "I agree with literally everything Biden did! I am basically Biden but younger!" and idk if that was a strategy assuming that if Biden had seemed younger in the debate he would have been able to beat Trump again so hay let's just have Harris say that's what she is or what but it did not land well.

I also wish Dem candidate at that level would admit that issues are complicated instead of just avoiding them. There was an abortion question at one point asked of her that alluded to "dems want to allow post birth abortions" and she just danced around it... instead of just being honest and saying something to the effect of "biology and medicine is really complicated and I don't think we can legislate for every possibility. Instead of making something illegal and then trying to legislate every exception I believe that decision should be left up to the medical professionals that are far more qualified to make that call than I am."

[u/padizzledonk → u/fluffy_bunny_87]

Seperate reply to just pull this out specifically because i agree a 100% and want to share a relevent clip-

I also wish Dem candidate at that level would admit that issues are complicated instead of just avoiding them. There was an abortion question at one point asked of her that alluded to "dems want to allow post birth abortions" and she just danced around it...

https://youtube.com/shorts/akhBpxN_TV0?is=HtAGCozVcMMYbXxb

This. We need a lot more of this and actual real people running for office

She answered like that because SHES NOT A REAL PERSON, shes a construct lol, i remember that moment and it was incredible to me that she answered like that.

[u/padizzledonk → u/fluffy_bunny_87]

I think it wouldve helped, maybe, the problem is that she would have to have been a different person with convictions and agency to have dont that

I dont know her (obviously lol) im sure there is a real actual person in there somewhere, but her as a politician is a total construct imo, none of it is real, or i should say very very little of it because there were little flashes of authenticity here and there very early on.

I think maybe, maybe who she was in the first 2 weeks of that campaign may have been the real her, maybe. But once the consultancy class got to her she went right back to "im an empty vessel, fill me with whatever you think will work"-- Like who the fuck goes from who she was in her failed 2020 run, to who she was in the very beginning of her campaign to eventually campaigning with Liz Cheney? Lol-- Like-- thats a person with no real convictions or driving ethos imo

Everyone says it was a mistake for her to not do the longform podcast circut like rogan et al, but real talk, i think that was absolutely the right decision for her because there was absolutely 0 chance she could keep it together for 2, 3 hours and come off as a genuine authentic person, you can word salad yourself through a 5 or 10 or even 20m interview but you cant do that for hours lol

Again- i would be fucking thrilled if she were the president right now instead of Trump, i voted for her and id do it again given the same choice, but man, i wish there was a primary, even a snap, halfassed compressed one with only the delegates with some input from the public, if there was i can almost guarantee it wouldnt have been Harris. And fucking shame on everyone else in the Party for not having the balls to stand up and put themselves out there- everyone just stepped aside out of some fucking stupid ass "its her turn" stupidness

Sorry that was so long lol

[u/No-Consideration8862 → u/pikachu191]

American politics is so damn weird

[u/babaqewsawwwce → u/pikachu191]

Sounds like the two party system is a problem.

[u/Prototype3120 → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

I blame the apathetic non-voters equally to the worst of the Trump voters. I know a few people who didn't vote, despite them claiming to hate Trump, because they didn't see the point. I tried to explain that we know exactly how many people will vote for Trump, his base isn't growing, by not voting you are basically voting for Trump. They called me stupid and said that Trump will lose. I don't talk to them anymore.

[u/frequenZphaZe → u/Prototype3120]

if you blame the apathetic voters, then you also blame the dncc with the billion dollar war chest for failing to motivate voters too, correct?

[u/Prototype3120 → u/frequenZphaZe]

Yes, I do. I have no kind words for current democratic party leadership and I think Chuck Schumer is a ghoul surpressing any sort of progress in this party. I don't think that is any excuse not to vote, however.

[u/_slagwire → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

And also Indian! Having influences from multiple identities and cultures all in one person? Like some kind of melting pot? Inconceivable!

[u/Mobb_Barley → u/_slagwire]

Remember how confused they all were by her biracialness? “She claimed she is black but now she claims she is Indian? WHICH ONE IS IT KAMALA????”

[u/_slagwire → u/Mobb_Barley]

If only JD knew his own children were biracial and could've helped clear up the confusion. But alas, the technology just wasn't there!

[u/dechets-de-mariage → u/_slagwire]

“Give me your tired, your poor…”

Oh wait, that’s all of us already here.

[u/Outrageous_Reach_695 → u/_slagwire]

Inconceivable
Well, we aren't currently involved in a land war in Asia, at least ...

[u/Undead-Chipmunk → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

It's not just that.

It was also that Kamala was an establishment candidate that few people actually liked or wanted.

She was like Hillary but worse, and it was after Biden had to be a stubborn ass about not running again.

Trump winning again was basically for many people from feeling disillusioned from the DNC controlling the primary process undemocratically.

[u/truthiness- → u/Undead-Chipmunk]

Well, they really showed all of us, didn’t they!

[u/Undead-Chipmunk → u/truthiness-]

Time will tell. In my heart, I feel that this era of cynicism will pass and will be remembered as a cynical time.

[u/IzK → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

Are we pretending that Harris wasn't a terrible candidate regardless of her race or gender?

[u/Zealousid_Eyedeal → u/IzK]

It's the excuse for people to be casually racist and sexist by suggesting that's why she failed.

[u/BoyWhoSoldTheWorld → u/IzK]

Definitely this. She would flip flop on answers and just gave generic political consultant answers written to appeal to the middle; I.e. no actual conviction.

She always was given a super short runway by her own party, and namely Biden for not stepping down like he loosely promised America he would when he initially ran.

Biden should have accepted he was one and done, and lined up a proper democratic primary so the democratic voters could have had a say in their next candidate. But when the moment finally came, The boomer couldn’t relinquish power and set off a chain of events that damaged US politics and the entire world.

Biden had a great presidency but he is just another example of an old boomer who won’t move out of the way for the next generation. Leaving the rest of us to pick up the pieces of their selfish entitlement.

[u/simplefactothematter → u/BoyWhoSoldTheWorld]

Yeah her refusal to distinguish herself from Biden even a little bit on the issue of Palestine when many voters said this was a breaking point for them even ahead of the nomination. Not to mention adopting the right wing framing of issues relating to the border and claiming we need to have the “most lethal military in the world”. The Democratic Party really showed they learned nothing from their failed attempt to force Hillary down our throats in 2016. Will they learn anything this time around? It’s not seeming like it so far

[u/IzK → u/BoyWhoSoldTheWorld]

Agreed.

[u/IzK → u/[deleted]]

At worst we'd be in a similar place. There's a fair chance we'd be better off. If she gets the nomination in 28 I'm pretty sure that the Democrats are trying to unalive their party. No way she wins the nomination.

[u/extraneouspanthers → u/IzK]

It happens every time Harris is brought up, it’s probably just astroturfing. Everyone knows she was garbage

[u/IzK → u/[deleted]]

Didn't say that she was worse than Trump, did I? Read what I said, not what you wish I had said.

[u/Juno-Seto → u/IzK]

Yeah! And all of America properly judged her and her politics with no bias and decided Donald Trump was better fit to lead the United States!

[u/sneakysnake1111 → u/Juno-Seto]

decided Donald Trump was better fit to lead the United States

And that was really stupid of you guys. But to be honest, i've liked what the US has done. Now, I don't have any american products in my house and I've been boycotting the entire country rather easily. It's not even hard now.

and I no longer have to pretend you guys have decent people, especially in your military.

[u/IzK → u/Juno-Seto]

Complain to the folks who sat out. Theyre the ones who cost her the election. It was more on the far left than it ever was MAGA, she could've been the second coming of Jesus and they would've re-elected Trump.

[u/mmechtch → u/IzK]

Worst then Trump? Really? Not in any way perfect of course but I cannot fathom picking Trump over an objectively normal person

[u/IzK → u/mmechtch]

Where did i say she was worse than Trump? That's an impossible bar to clear.

[u/redwing180 → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

It was almost as if they only got their information from Fox News and Facebook which was doing such a marvelous job on painting an accurate picture of the state of America. By replaying the same video of Haitian migrants over and over for four years while talking about trans athletes. They forgot how good things were getting compared to where Biden started because of Trump‘s mess and they were fed a steady diet of fear and anger. Now here we are with them building concentration camps like alligator Auschwitz.

[u/FilOfTheFuture90 → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

And she laughed weird.

[u/This_isR2Me → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

way to objectify her, she had plenty wrong with her candidacy and campaign beside the fact she's a black woman. did you forget we already had a black president? memory of a goldfish.

[u/DerDienstVomTrottel → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

Kamala was primarily godawful

[u/PDXGuy33333 → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

I keep saying this re 2028 and people do not listen. Ordinarily intelligent political operatives within the Democratic Party STILL talk about her as the potential 2028 nominee. She'd be a great president, but she can't get elected and that's all there is to it.

[u/mikezer0 → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

Or ya know just voting in general. A million reasons why not. Well here is one significant reason why they should have. 

[u/tie_me_down_tomorrow → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

Coworker said to me “I wasn’t going to vote for someone with an obnoxious laugh”

[u/jellis333 → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

Very true . I voted for her but I had a feeling America would not elect a woman yet . So strategically the democrats help elect Trump no question about it.

[u/Tabris92 → u/Ancient_Popcorn]

for some people its all about just voting for "their team" not even understanding policy or nothin. americans treat politics like sports team. Theyll root for them just because "well my pa was a republican and i am too"

[u/Falco98 → u/leviathan65]

Biden fixed it and had the "envy of the world" after covid.

Trump figured out that all he had to do was sit on the sidelines and yell "Biden Grocery Prices!" often enough, that it hoodwinked just enough people, that he was able to scam his way back in. The more frustrating part is how few people recognized the transparent sham that was.

[u/DadJokeBadJoke → u/Falco98]

No president has ever had his predecessor shit-talking him every single day of their presidency. The reason many thought Biden was doing bad was because Trump was saying it day in and day out regardless of how well things were doing.

[u/Falco98 → u/DadJokeBadJoke]

Yup, good ol' "Firehose of Falsehoods", trump's one reliable hat trick...

[u/QuietCondition3 → u/DadJokeBadJoke]

These people live in an alternate reality. It’s really wild

[u/DueVisit1410 → u/DadJokeBadJoke]

Despite his pretty good handling of the economy and inflation, the underlying inequality and issues still made it hard for the most regular people. He may have handled the issue of inflation well, to people who are living paycheck to paycheck that's not very obvious. They are still struggling with bills and money.

Now those people of course aren't going to be better of with Trump, but unfortunately it seems a lot of people don't understand the basics of economic realities.

[u/DadJokeBadJoke → u/DueVisit1410]

Most, if not all of the issues, were due to the global pandemic, the mess Trump had already made in his first term or decades-long problems with our system. Biden didn't sign any legislation or EO that caused the issues, unlike our current situation of tariffs, the Big Billionaire Bill, and war. It was the same old routine, Republicans screw things up, A dem gets elected and starts fixing things, people get told they aren't fixing things fast enough, so they vote in more Republicans to break things again.

[u/xanthippe115 → u/Falco98]

That and encourage his BFF Putin to invade Ukraine, the breadbasket of Europe, to cause food and fuel shortages, further increasing costs and inflation throughout Biden's term.

[u/POEness → u/Falco98]

Nah, trump cheated. Analysts have proven it.

[u/Falco98 → u/POEness]

They made a lot of hay in 2020 making this claim based on evidence that was anywhere between poor and nonexistent.

IMHO it weakens our side to make such claims based on equally flimsy evidence. When you get any evidence that isn't, please let me know. I've seen some of the "analysts proved..." stuff and so far it seems no better than when MAGA started ranting about "midnight dumps" because they didn't understand how counting works.

[u/yoitsthatoneguy → u/Falco98]

Yellen saying “inflation is transitory” doomed Biden. People got really angry when it became obvious that it wasn’t transitory.

[u/EduinBrutus → u/yoitsthatoneguy]

Post Covid inflation was transitory, It was commodity price led alongside serious breakdowns of global trade systems, both of which were correcting and had mostly corrected by the end of Bidens term. The monetary side of things did not waver. The dollar remained strong (indeed it strengthened as the US economy outperformed the world) despite the heavy borrowing for Covid measures and borrowing was still cheap.

Transitory inflation is inflation caused by non-Monetary mechanisms.

This Trumpflation, however, is not transitory. It is called structural inflation and its led by the devaluation of the dollar to a degree which is unprecendented in the last 50 years and may surpass all previous devaluations. This devaluation is a direct result of Trump recklessly spending without tax revenues to maintain dolalr demand while overseas holders of dollars start to exit their holdings due to a lack of confidence in the US and a response to US foreign policy towards them including the dumb fuck tariffs.

And that type of inflation is a serious long term issue and the type that can spiral into hyperinflation. Especially if it is mismanaged. Which is exactly what this administration is doing.

[u/yoitsthatoneguy → u/EduinBrutus]

I think you know what I meant, but I’ll clarify: The Biden administration claiming that the high inflation would be over quickly and then that not happening wasn’t good.

I regret saying it was transitory. It has come down. But I think transitory means a few weeks or months to most people

• Janet Yellen

https://thehill.com/business/4529787-yellen-regrets-saying-inflation-transitory/

[u/EduinBrutus → u/yoitsthatoneguy]

I dont think these sort of misunderstandings come from nowhere.

Sure, a media which takes a technical term like transitory inflation and corrupts it into a narrative to fuel public anger was definitely a problem for the Biden admin.

But its not like the media wouldnt have found a different line of attack. The US has an overwhelming far right media. they will ensure the Republicans stay relevant no matter how unpopular and how unsuccessful their governance is.

And while that happens, it is still a good idea to hold on to reality. Transitory inflation does mean something. And it was used correctly and was an accurate representation of reality.

[u/LegendaryOutlaw → u/leviathan65]

A MILLION Americans died from COVID during his first term. I can't believe his supporters just brush that aside. A MILLION. Most of them lost friends and family members to the pandemic that he massively fucked up...because HE told them not to wear masks, not to heed quarantine and shutdown protocols, and later doubted the efficacy of a vaccine. HE HIMSELF nearly died from it.

He SHOULD be the last republican president. But he won't be, because people are stupid.

[u/MoonBatsRule → u/LegendaryOutlaw]

A MILLION Americans died from COVID during his first term. I can't believe his supporters just brush that aside. A MILLION.

Most Trump supporters do not believe this to be true. They think that the numbers were fake, and that almost nobody died from COVID. Or they think that Fauci unleashed the disease to discredit Trump.

I had relatives who died from COVID. My MAGA relatives think that they merely died with COVID, and that COVID did not contribute to their deaths, because it was more mild than the common cold.

[u/s_i_m_s → u/MoonBatsRule]

Trump himself is on record saying he lied about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBwwgMj-ewI
@1:38 and @2:15

[u/MoonBatsRule → u/s_i_m_s]

"Obviously, that isn't of President Trump, because that is not how Trump speaks today. That is an AI-generated video to make us think that Trump is now suffering from dementia because that AI features him speaking in a very calm and sensible manner".

-- Maga, probably.

That info didn't get repeated all that much when it was released 6 years ago.

[u/Frozen_Esper → u/MoonBatsRule]

I've been seeing a lot of people that claim those deaths were actually caused by the COVID vaccine shots. Yes, that even includes the people that died before the vaccine existed, somehow.

[u/MoonBatsRule → u/Frozen_Esper]

It's insane. My uncle was opposed to the COVID vaccine. He had a heart condition. He claimed that people were dying from heart failure from the vaccine and refused to get it. He contracted COVID and died from heart failure. His family believes that COVID didn't kill him, that his heart just failed. He was 71 and in good health otherwise. It didn't have to happen.

[u/AlwaysRushesIn → u/MoonBatsRule]

I caught Covid twice. That shit was not more mild than the common cold. These people are fucking delusional.

[u/Late-Respect-14 → u/MoonBatsRule]

Faucet was the guy covering up a lot of WHO operations. The Wuhan lab is not fake and Fauci did approve the project last days of Obama administration. I dont think you can blame Trump for covid since more people died during Biden administration. People are still getting sick from the variants today and we can't effort to stay shut. Republicans are going to loose many seats because of Trump again. It's not about what we the people want, it's about how to keep US the most powerful and wealthy country. Citizens are expandable thats why the poor are being sent to war.

[u/nabrok → u/LegendaryOutlaw]

I remember him trying to take credit for the vaccine, getting booed, and then never mentioning it again.

[u/LegendaryOutlaw → u/nabrok]

LOL that was my state: Sweet Home Alabama. His administration spent years fear-mongering about the dangers of completely safe vaccines, and then he can't get the credit he so desperately wanted for getting the vaccine done so fast.

[u/StopImportingUSA → u/LegendaryOutlaw]

A million people suffering from underlying conditions. Shit like this exaggeration helps nobody.

[u/Froggyevening → u/leviathan65]

I just remember him looking so pathetic telling the J6ers to go home and that "we love you" and I thought "that's it, there's no coming back from that."

I'm stupid.

[u/Azimov3laws → u/Froggyevening]

You're not stupid, you just had the misplaced faith that people aren't inherently selfish and shitty.

[u/Gekokapowco → u/Azimov3laws]

for me, I at least thought the GOP would be more interested in protecting their own power than abiding this unlawful bullshit any longer

little did I know voters would just let them do both, that one senator or podcaster or ex-president could just say "they were FBI plants to make Trump look bad" and that was it, all is confused and forgiven

[u/Tyrath → u/Azimov3laws]

The last 10 years have finally cured me of that notion

[u/Lurking_nerd → u/Tyrath]

Americans are an exceptional breed of stupid.

[u/bikemonkey40 → u/Froggyevening]

It got him banned from Twitter back when that actually meant something. The dipshit can't be trusted with a Twitter account but is given the nuclear football.

[u/civil_politician → u/leviathan65]

They couldn’t remember bush either, it’s fucking outrageous

[u/Boris_Godunov → u/civil_politician]

Republicans lie, lie, lie about how much they supported Bush. I've had Republicans I know say to my face they never liked Bush and didn't vote for him the 2nd time, because of Iraq, and it's a laughable lie. Kerry would have won in a landslide if even half of the Republicans who now disavow Bush hadn't actually voted for him.

[u/cactus22minus1 → u/leviathan65]

The definition of a good economy depends entirely on the segment of the population you’re looking at- for the Epstein class, a recession is like striking gold. You get to pay your workers less, you get to buy up tons of assets on the cheap. When you have record inflation and climbing rent, they’re making record profits.

What’s “good for business!!” Is terrible for the regular citizen in unregulated capitalism.

[u/DrMobius0 → u/leviathan65]

Biden fixed it and had the "envy of the world" after covid

Problem was, it wasn't fixed for regular people. Biden did excellent damage control, but it's not like things were suddenly good. The difference between the messaging and reality almost certainly contributed to people's disillusionment with Biden. You just can't say you're out of a hole when you're still waist deep.

[u/americanadiandrew → u/DrMobius0]

Problem is that the messaging did reach this particular echo chamber so commenters around here just think people voted republican because they were dumb maga and not people just trying to survive who were desperate enough to believe his lies.

[u/BigMax → u/leviathan65]

It's like having one man set fire to your house. Then you call the fire department, and they show up, start hooking up the hoses, start spraying water, and they are starting to get the fire under control.

And you look up and think "but... a corner of the house is still on fire, and there's still smoke coming out" and decide that means you need to send the fire department home and bring back the arsonist.

[u/DerDienstVomTrottel → u/BigMax]

Its more like the fire department sprayed water on the rich man's villa and your shack was still on fire

[u/spongebob_meth → u/leviathan65]

Such a stupid cycle we're in. The country is going to be a disaster come January 2029 when the next admin is sworn in, but the right wing media will be instantly kicked into overdrive blaming every problem from the last 4 years on whoever is in power if there's a (D) after their name. And 40% of the country will nod and agree.

[u/0202_tihssitidder → u/leviathan65]

USA is full of about 250 million people who only care about being racists and are so effin dumb they watch FoxNews.

Game over, USA. Maybe try to fix that pool.

[u/patel869 → u/leviathan65]

I don’t care what people post there is no hope in American people with the level of education that they have. It’s always the same, the turd ruins the entire economy starts wars and then exits. Dem president comes starts to fix things and people start complaining that they didn’t do anything. Then the cycle repeats. FFS it isn’t easy to fix things when you vote for president in party A but give the house and/or senate to Party B morons.

[u/leviathan65 → u/[deleted]]

The eggs was due to bird flu. They killed all the birds infected to stop it from spreading and caused a shortage. But not a real shortage. More like people just hoarded the second they found out and caused a shortage. Same with tp during covid.

[u/I_divided_by_0- → u/leviathan65]

He actually had a fantastic first three years. And of course he did. Obama spent 8 years fixing the economy and here comes Trump to take an economic coke line of tax cuts to go party. He was able to get COVID to take the blame for the crash.

[u/leviathan65 → u/I_divided_by_0-]

I would argue he did not have a great 3 years. Obama left him a great economy. In the first 6 months just long enough for his policies to start taking effect the jobs market started taking a hit. All these expected and projected numbers were not being hit.

[u/steepleton → u/leviathan65]

Under biden We lost abortion rights and the working and middle class continued to struggle, it wasn’t great, it was just less bad

That’s a pretty depressing alternative to inspire voter turn out

I mean vote Democrat, absolutely do that. But only because they’re least worse

[u/PM_ME_UR_REDPANDAS → u/leviathan65]

Never mind the first term, think of all the stuff that came out about him *after* the first term.

January 6, 34 felony convictions, the Epstein files, the 2020 election lie, adjudicated by a jury in a civil suit to have raped E Jean Carroll in a dressing room then defamed her, was under 2 more federal indictments being investigated by Jack Smith, was found to be in possession of classified documents which were stored in non-secure places, and a bunch of other stuff I can’t remember off the top of my head.

What he did in his first term, especially considering the fact that he still had responsible people around him to be guardrails, made him a bad president, but we’ve had those before. But 77+ million voters decided it was ok to elect a man who at minimum was an adjudicated rapist and convicted felon, which we’ve never had before.

[u/GrigoriTheDragon → u/leviathan65]

Yup. Been saying it for years.

[u/InCarbsWeTrust → u/leviathan65]

Part of the issue is that Biden thought he could persuade Americans that we should be happy with the objectively shitty economy, because everywhere else had it even worse.  But he couldn’t articulate that nuance well, so it played badly with his senility, making him look like an out-of-touch moron.  Trumps own senility is word salad, but when most viewers don’t pay attention to the content of speech, he managed to come across as more tuned-in to reality.  And so here we are.

TLDR: We’re idiots 

[u/Sujjin → u/leviathan65]

Dont want to engage in too much conspiracy theory stuff, but i am not entirely convinced there wasnt some active vote rigging given the shit Musk and Trump both admitted to.

[u/aijoe → u/leviathan65]

I know too many that believe Biden was president most of 2020 and during the shutdown.

[u/leviathan65 → u/aijoe]

Lol and I bet they wonder why obama didn't do anything on 9/11

[u/Prototype3120 → u/leviathan65]

How he basically only ran on the point of "weren't things better 4 years ago?" and it actually worked was insane. Anyone capable of looking back to 2021/2022 should know that it was, in fact, not better.

[u/StardustOasis → u/leviathan65]

It doesn't help that MAGA keep whinging about "Bidenflation." They truly believe that Biden caused everything bad

[u/di_ib → u/leviathan65]

He fucked the economy so bad that it took Biden all 4 years to clean up the mess and when things finally felt normal again they sat and attacked Biden claiming it was all his fault. That is the thanks you get for cleaning up Trumps mess.

[u/Zippydip2 → u/leviathan65]

It is not a memory issue. Because of news outlets like Fox, they do not exist in the same reality we do. They are told what to believe, and never question it.

[u/Other_World → u/leviathan65]

It took the "undecideds" 1 term to put the GOP back in power after Watergate. People thinking Trump is going to destroy the GOP are just coping.

[u/GODDAMNFOOL → u/leviathan65]

These dumb motherfuckers will see a brown person at the grocery store and say "I can't believe [dem President] did this" then immediately vote for a candidate that promised to eat their children because he had a (R) next to his name on Fox News. Don't underestimate their stupidity.

[u/CraigKostelecky → u/leviathan65]

Biden mostly fixed it, but since it wasn’t done fast enough (even though we were in much better shape than most of the post-COVID world) the goldfish thought the guy who screwed it up most deserved another chance over a lady who had a silly laugh.

[u/doom_slug_ → u/leviathan65]

Never underestimate the Republican propaganda machine

[u/drawkbox → u/leviathan65]

The firehose of falsehoods they target on the chuds fills their head with 7+ Trump items a day. That becomes their whole life.

The other day when Ukraine took out one of the data centers pumping that firehose it was wild the different. Chuds are followers and at this point cultist, but if we can fracture the turfer pump they may get a peek of reality and be able to think about something else and finally feel like MAGA is fading. It is but to them it is where they live as the firehose of falsehoods from errand boy Trumpuppet's autocrat enablers of the East has them unable to switch off it.

[u/TheLadyEve → u/leviathan65]

Well, Biden didn't have enough time to fix the damage, didn't get enough repealed/changed, and also had to deal with a pandemic that massacred our economy, so that's how Trump was able to make an economic argument for him being President...even though a lot of that damage was due to either his Presidential policies from 2017-2021 or the country shutting down.

[u/SolarBoyDjango → u/leviathan65]

Asking an old man like Biden to fix Trump's mess is elder abuse. I kinda feel bad for Biden.

[u/Mr_BruceWayne → u/leviathan65]

I'm old enough to remember how this goes quite a ways back. When Trump won the first time I couldn't believe people had forgotten how bad Bush was and thought anther Republican, let alone Trump of all people, would be a good choice.

[u/leviathan65 → u/Mr_BruceWayne]

Remember when the supreme court stole the election for Bush?

[u/Omnitographer → u/leviathan65]

I was telling my friend we need a red wave in the next two elections and for everything to really horrifically implode for the average person to get the populace so burned on hyper-conservatism that it leads to a progressive golden age for the back half of the century. It will suck to get there, but I don't see any other way to deal with the goldfish problem than a full decade of Republican-led misery.

[u/leviathan65 → u/Omnitographer]

That's what I thought about bush.

[u/chef2303 → u/leviathan65]

Also, your voting system is totally stupid. A few states decide the president and then the president swears an oath to the broken constitution. And then the so called Supreme Court decides the President doesn't need to care about the constitution. But hey, at least the kids get to say the flag thing every day and if they don't get shot, they get to pray to the flag again the next day. Once they're old enough, they can join the Army, the Navy or whatever military branches y'all have and lose their legs and receive no support from the government. Or their mother gets another USA flag along with "we're so sorry Ma'am". Greatest country in the world.

[u/OkCold4629 → u/leviathan65]

The thing is everything going bad right now is Biden fault , everything good is Trump.

[u/PeachPassionBrute → u/leviathan65]

Republicans have factually cheated in multiple elections before Trump. They openly supported a traitorous felon as president, they have actively participated in violating constitutional rights.

The idea that the GOP is allowed to exist at all is absurd. They should be banned from all public office, period. Their leadership should be tried for treason, and the vast majority of them should catch charges too.

We need to be done with pretending they’re legitimate. We need to be done allowing overt fascist bigots to control so much of our government.

[u/Kevin-W → u/leviathan65]

And now they have to lie in the bed they've made.

[u/MisplacingCommas → u/leviathan65]

I think we have to give some credit to how bad the democratic messaging is. I’m hardcore leftist and even I was checking Biden and Kamala’s name begrudgingly. Didn’t help Republicans muddied the water so much that half the country thought voting Democrat would mean all our media would become about gay minority girl bosses.

I don’t totally blame people for trumps first term, lots of people voted for him the same reason they voted for Obama, they wanted change.

[u/annoyinglyclever → u/leviathan65]

There is no “after covid”. Covid is still here, Biden just did what trump wanted to do and ended the pandemic and hid the data.

[u/DontShadowbanMeBro2 → u/leviathan65]

For the average MAGA chud, it's not about policy and it's sure as hell not about good governance. Yes, they'll gripe about gas prices, but when the chips are down, they care only about two things:

1. Trump hates the people they hate.
   
2. Trump says the kinds of things they wish they could get away with saying.

That's it. That is the beginning, the middle, and the end of the issue for them. That's why they don't care about the fact that Trump is too obsessed with his vanity projects in Washington to even pretend to care about the affordability crisis. They would rather go down with the Titanic than have to share a lifeboat with 'those people.'

[u/DarbIey → u/leviathan65]

Biden fixed it

😬

[u/leviathan65 → u/DarbIey]

Inflation was above 9% when he came in and he brought down to around 2% when he left office.

[u/BurritoBoi25 → u/leviathan65]

I don’t recall envying you guys at all, even with Biden.

[u/leviathan65 → u/BurritoBoi25]

In terms of economy. The us recovered faster than any other nation.

[u/Atomik23 → u/leviathan65]

And I still have to convince people supposedly on my team why Biden was actually based and the most progressive president we have ever had.

[u/leviathan65 → u/Atomik23]

Too progressive and stuck in old ways. Trump shits all over court orders and does illegal EO's all day. Biden couldn't do half of what he said because courts blocked him.

[u/Atomik23 → u/leviathan65]

And even then, the bi-partisan infrastructure bill alone made him a more effective leader than trump 1 or 2 (and in the face of any leftist/progressives who say he was useless)

[u/AStrangerWCandy → u/leviathan65]

Ehhh I think there's a lot of revisionism going on here. Covid tanked the economy in his first term. He got handed a great economy by Obama and didn't fuck it up himself. Good job I guess. His second term is objectively worse than his first term or Biden's term IMO

[u/leviathan65 → u/AStrangerWCandy]

Do you remember when he came in? He said the real unemployment rate was closer to 30 or 40%, gdp growth was a lie. The week he gets into office all the numbers suddenly became real. The unemployment and gdp had projections and growth expectations and didnt hit them due to his policies.

[u/sneakysnake1111 → u/leviathan65]

I don't think america's ever been the 'envy of the world'.

And frankly, biden's responsible for trump getting a 2nd term.

That's what you get when you hire people like Garland - and we knew that the entire time.

[u/porneta → u/sneakysnake1111]

They were the envy of the world in 2024. Not so much now.

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2024-10-19

[u/sneakysnake1111 → u/porneta]

You just shat a bunch of neo liberal propaganda on me...

I'm like 50. I was there. We didn't envy the US in 2024.

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The Economist is a British publication genius. 

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Corrected.

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And frankly, biden's responsible for trump getting a 2nd term.

No.

You are eating up the right wing propaganda.

It is not Biden's fault for any of this Racist Rapist Child Sex Trafficking administration.

Biden was a good President and will be seen as such. All of you seeking more from Biden ignore that if he had gone further, he'd be the same as Donald. Abusing the power of the Executive Branch.

That is what you are asking for because you see Donald Rapist doing it.

Don't.

We should not seek to ever see a President like Rapist Donald again. He abused power and we need to secure those in law to limit Presidential power.

Do not Blame Biden. Blame the racist rapists family and friends you did not talk to. The blame is on you.