r/pcmasterrace • • 10h ago

Meme/Macro Ape has a point

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u/mr_wizard_123 10h ago

If I buy it on release is that somehow better?

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u/AnarchBeetle 9h ago edited 9h ago

I prefer waiting for a few months so the bugs get fixed first. If it’s a game I’m not particularly hyped for I wait for a year or two so some DLCs and extra features are added.

I was really surprised by the negative reception Cyberpunk recieved. It was a great game by the time I got to it.

Preordering and playing at release just gets you an inferior product. You gotta wait for other players to find the bugs and the devs to fix them first. I don’t mind people preordering though, like some people do.

It’s a choice and I don’t understand why some people get on their soapbox and tell others how or when to purchase games. I wouldn’t have bug-free games without others playtesting on release day and finding bugs.

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u/Round_Bound_Mound 9h ago

Counter point: Playing Elden Ring at the same time as everyone else and the magic surrounding the community at launch made it such a special experience that I never would have gotten if I waited 5-6 months.

It was so much fun reading and watching everything as it was emerging

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u/StopTheMeta2 3h ago

Thank God I don't care about that crap or I'd be letting companies rip me off like that

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u/Round_Bound_Mound 3h ago

“Playing a finished product when it comes out is a rip off”

Ok, Bitterman.

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u/NelsonVGC 9h ago edited 7h ago

The only game in which that genuinely mattered in my 25+ years playing video games, has been Cyberpunk 2077. That release was dogshit.

Anything else that I want to buy on release I just do it, as my interest in playing the game is substantially higher than any life min maxing regarding "inferior products." Not a jab, I am simply sharing my perception.

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u/AnarchBeetle 9h ago

Likewise and no jab either but I don’t understand people who preload and stare at their monitor to play the game the very second it’s released. Just seems impulsive to me. Like a kid who must have the toy he wants the second he sets eyes on it. At the very least I’d wait for a few days to see what people are saying about it. I’m not judging it’s just how it looks like to me. We are all adults and can do whatever we want with our leisure time.

Kinda weird how we both got downvoted lol I don’t know which approach is more popular here.

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u/NelsonVGC 7h ago edited 7h ago

Its the excitement of the whatever kind of game you are looking forward to. For many people the hype itself is part of the experience and enjoyment. Sharing the experience and excitement in communities is also part of the joy for many players. When everybody is discovering.

Others prefer playing later after reviews and guides, or as you said, others opinions. Many players dont give a crap about the opinion of others and want to experience it fully themselves and form their own.

It might be compared to binging a show's season in one go and preferring weekly releases to enjoy the online hype, discussions, theories and memes. Some dont give a shit about that.

It is perfectly fine to not agree. All we need to to is understand each other and appreciate is just a different way to feel joy (:

Reddit is just being reddit. Dont mind it.

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u/AnarchBeetle 6h ago

I also tend to watch tv shows once they are finished and binge watch them so you are right about that.

I don’t mind downvotes I was just curious about what approach this sub favors, but this being an online community I guess it makes sense that people here would prefer discovering a game with everyone else. There is also r/patientgamers that’s like straight opposite and a bit extreme for me (reviewing a game that came out 10 years ago… come on guys lol) I got called an idiot here for the most frivolous preference differences here lol this is nothing but thank you 🙏

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u/LoneroftheDarkValley 9850X3D / Saphire Nitro+ 7900xtx / 64gb DDR5 7h ago

Have you never wanted to see a movie in theaters before? It's the same thing. While you could argue the big screen and sound system in theaters is the main draw, I mostly see movies on release for the movie itself, not for the other stuff. If a movie is really wanted to see released on streaming I would buy it there too if I didn't feel like going out

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u/Ratzing- 8h ago

I mean being excited about a game and wanting to play it after waiting for X years for a release shouldn't be that strange. It's all for entertainment, no point in being abstemious unless you've got something else going on in your life.

Also, I'd take being excited about stuff over mild interest. I'm almost 40 and I get giddy firing up a game that I know will hit for me. Fuck yea I'm impulsive, I don't want to wait another couple of hours for Phantom Blade Zero, I've waited couple of years already, inject it straight into my veins.

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u/ThisIsMyCouchAccount 3070 9h ago

Cyberpunk was just fine at launch for tons of people. Myself and two other people I know all played at release with zero issues.

Your premise is a little flawed. The entire industry isn't some trash pile shitting out whatever. As though no game that comes out could ever be fine. In fact I can't even recall a game that I've purchased new that was unplayable. Or even slightly annoying.

It's fine if that's what you want to do. It's not my money or time. But it feels like you're overestimating how terrible things are.

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u/AnarchBeetle 9h ago

I’m not saying all games are unplayable in release it’s just annoying little bugs that get squashed and QOL updates that come later. DLCs are also a big point. It just feels like I play a more complete game if I wait and I got a big backlog anyway. I know some people exaggerate things like every game out there is a rushed buggy pile of shit.

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u/NotResort 8h ago

At least on launch day you get to see if the PC port is an unoptimized stutterfest before handing over 70 bucks.

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u/balllzak 8h ago

What if I don't care that it doesn't run well on poor people's computers?

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u/NelsonVGC 7h ago

You are out of line but you are right

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u/JebstoneBoppman 8h ago

Lmao gottem

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u/138151337 9h ago

Yes.

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u/NelsonVGC 9h ago

Elaborate.

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u/138151337 9h ago

If a publisher knows people will buy the game because of the quality of the marketing regardless of the quality of the actual game, they are incentivized to spend more time and effort on the marketing than releasing a quality, or sometimes even functional, game.

Big publishers (who are usually the only ones offering pre-orders) have a record of releasing unpolished, unfinished, and often broken games that may or may not ever get better, depending on if the publishers think they can continue to make money off of it.

If the market decided not to pay for garbage, we would stop getting garbage. So when you decide "I'm okay paying for garbage", they start selling me garbage. I am not okay with that.

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u/desconectado 4h ago edited 4h ago

People here complain about GPUs prices because of AI centers, but they fail to apply the same logic to games themselves.

If a good portion of gamers decide to pay for a game no matter what, everyone is going to get a shitty unfinished game at a higher price.

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u/NilsofWindhelm 39m ago

What? Devs and publishers are still incentivized to make games good even if they sell well. That’s how people buy more of their games

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u/klubsanwich AMD Ryzen 7 5800X | GTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB RAM 9h ago

Patience is a virtue

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u/Ratzing- 8h ago

Not necessarily. You abstain and wait too long, you're gonna miss stuff. Even with gaming, online titles are often most fun when everyone is exploring and learning them.

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u/klubsanwich AMD Ryzen 7 5800X | GTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB RAM 8h ago

In my personal experience, I've never regretted waiting for a discount, but I've been disappointed paying full price plenty of times. I also don't think 2 hours is enough time to properly judge a game.

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u/Ratzing- 8h ago

That's cool, it's not really relevant to my point. Patience can be a virtue, can be of no import, or can be detrimental - your personal experience doesn't really affect that.

Like, with online titles you obviously loose part of magic, be it exploring the world with other fresh players or playing pvp before rigid meta formed. On solo end, you've got potential of spoiling some titles as well.

2 hours is plenty of time for vast majority of titles to judge if it's going to captivate you for some time or not. I also personally don't recall any preorder that I've been disappointed by, since I only preorder games that I'm pretty certain I'm going to play anyways.

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u/klubsanwich AMD Ryzen 7 5800X | GTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB RAM 8h ago

I do not know this magic you speak of.

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u/Ratzing- 8h ago

Jumping into an mmo couple of years into it's lifecycle is a markedly different experience in comparison to starting with everyone else.

In first case, it's like you're visiting someone else's place, you have to learn the ropes and fit in with others, you often have a lot of homework to do since systems grew and expanded over time. Every time you come into a months-old mmo, it's gonna feel like that to an extent.

In second scenario, you're all learning the game together with everyone else, and it's an experience unique to playing a fresh mmo.

It's not like the first experience is terrible and objectively worse than the second, but the second one is unique and worth living/playing through at least once if you enjoy mmos.

And it's not limited to MMOs, for example I couldn't really get into PoE1 due to all of the legacy stuff already being there, the feature creep made it overwhelming. PoE2 I play from the first release of Early Access, and I finally get it.

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u/NelsonVGC 7h ago

If you have been playing for two whole hours and nothing so far excites you, entertains you or remotely makes you want to carry on later, then its potentially not for you.

Video games that require me to play ten hours before it "gets fun" its ridiculous. There is a different between it gets better or the plot of the story spikes etc, to like, its been two hours and I have had zero fun so far.

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u/klubsanwich AMD Ryzen 7 5800X | GTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB RAM 5h ago

Maybe I'm just a noob but two hours is about how long it takes me to figure out the mechanics of a new game.

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u/nickiter Inkter 8h ago

Yeah, you can at least see if reviews come out like "Actually, Starfield is kind of a boring, broken mess."

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u/TheMemeStore76 6h ago

or I can play it myself, see that it is shit, and then refund it with the refund policy that exists for pre-order games on all major platforms

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u/ozmega 8h ago

ofc, then you know if ur getting a good product, a finished polished product... how is this a thing that needs to be explained in 2026?

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u/rhazux 2h ago

If it's not a finished product that's up to your standards you just get a full refund. You lose nothing.