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they patched the hypervisor bug because some bum reported on it. Like afaik he wasn't even the first one to find it he just reported it for the 50k. Only with that they can dump the game.
There is some irony here when people are upset about hardware prices and then the only reason that this project has gotten as far as it has is people trying to crack the PS5 coding with the same AI causing all of the problems.
Just gonna drop the luthen rael quote: "What is my sacrifice? I'm condemned to use the tools of my enemy to defeat them. I burn my decency for someone else's future. I burn my life to make a sunrise that I know I'll never see. And the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude. So what do I sacrifice? EVERYTHING!"
Second this. Andor is so good, it takes like 3/4 episodes to get into but after that it's so captivating. The only star wars project in so long that isn't just CG slop.
The world building, the story telling, the acting, the writing, the dialogue. It's such an incredible show.
It's one of the only things that really captivated me in recent years along with the Spider-verse movies, Dune movies and much more recently Lanterns TV show.
Yeah this is true. I tried - twice. Didn’t work. Basically required me to become sick, have a Star Wars nostalgia crisis gut through the first 3 episodes and then WHAM. Hook line and sinker
There is some theoretical threshold where AI improves the efficiency of existing games/development/hardware to the point where it closes the hardware (price) gap it’s created and everyone ends up playing the same games they would have if it never existed lol
Theoretical is right, because we'd have to ignore the entire socioeconomical impact said AI would cause as well as to be so incredibly naive to believe such advanced hardware would be affordable to the general public. It would be like looking at the world around us, seeing how things work in reality and believing that when everything gets a lot worse, we'd reach a point where it would magically get better.
All this will do is result in Claude putting in guardrails. I’m not joking. It can be done with self harm things, and CP, it can be done with software reengineering.
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Claude is already anal about reverse engineering. You gotta use Astra. OpenAI uses the morally questionable shit their models do as marketing to get more Pentagon contracts.
I can understand hos frustration, i also understand the other dude wanting to have 50k. 50k is life changing for some people, and everyday you wait could be a day that someone else reports it and get the 50k.
Yeah but litterally we already had a way. That was taken from us by a greedy vibe coder when they reported to Sony. Now we have to create another method.
I'm no Sony shill. But 50k is life changing money for me. If I had the information needed to collect I don't know if I would have been able to hold of reporting in fear of someone else doing it.
He was the second and only reported it after the third one found it. At that point it was just a matter of time before someone would find it and report it tbh. Like how many can realistically keep the secret from Sony?
Umm what is this legally stuff? I’m not sure the entire scene cares about it being legal. I’m looking forward to seeing PS5 repacks like GTA VI on FirGirl myself.
they still have to report it legally via HackerOne and wait for Sony to patch it via a software firmware update before they could legally disclose it to the public.
they're confusing two entirely different groups of people. People who ethically hack companies with the intent of being paid and tell Sony the second they find an exploit because Sony pays people who provide info on exploits. Then they get paid once the exploit or bug is confirmed (various grades get paid different amounts) and sign a contract to get paid that includes not disclosing or talking about it till after it's fixed, because it would defeat the purpose of helping them find exploits and getting paid if you announced them before they were fixed.
those people don't disclose them to not get sued (for the money they already got paid by Sony). Hackers who want to jailbreak and steal the games, dump them and release pirated games are a completely different group.
They don't announce the hacks till after they are patched because why would you tell your enemy that you have hacked their system so they can then try to patch it quicker?
Reminder, you don't need to share the exploit to use it. Those same devs can just use the hypervisor exploit to dump GTA VI, share the GTA VI files, and when report it.
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they still have to report it legally via HackerOne
Wrong. It's literally a legal business model to sell exploits to companies that make tools to break into iPhones.
So you can just dump the shellcode on 4chan an hour after GTA VI hits retail. Or on Facebook with your name attached, doesn't matter. 1st amendment babe.
And if you want money, sell the exploit to some Chinese group who will sell a locked down dongle on AliExpress for $50 that performs the exploit. Make more money than you ever would through HackerOne.
You might get in hot water if the Chinese bundle it with piracy-oriented tools. But selling/distributing the exploit itself is completely legal.
Sony still needs to figure out how this jailbreak is done in order to patch it. Providing the method isn’t released until after GTA is released, then there shouldn’t be any issues with showing that it is jailbroken
While true, if we want to look at the big picture, vulnerabilities in Windows probably do more economic damage than vulnerabilities in the latest Sony gaming console.
I worked in Security for a year, what I can tell you is companies do a comparison of insurance to the cost of actually caring about cyber security and the bulk of the time the insurance wins. Is that insane? Yes, but it's what they truly do and it made me want to quit. There is no way insurance is going to help with this, it's a different ball game so I think this is actually a bigger deal.
Insane exploits and all Microsoft did was basically shut down his repos. He tried to disclose with the bug bounty, regular user to system user (one level above admin). They aren't paying him out. So he just released them to the wild.
Yeah, and even if no one submitted it, there’s no real reason to assume it wouldn’t have been fixed in a short amount of time because it’s just too unpredictable. 50k today could be 0 tomorrow.
For every hacker out there trying to find an exploit in their free time, the company has employees doing the exact same thing for hours every single day.
Feels like they went cheap though. Normally 50k is great, but with the gta on the horizon it probably worth more than that
Edit: I don't understand why you people parroting the same thing over and over again. Yes highest they pay 50k, but this is major issue and potentially affects the most anticipated and the biggest launch of the last 2 decades which is just a month over. It is not just a bug. It is THE bug
Won't matter if it's jailbroken. That's why this is quite serious. It will be possible to bypass the sign in and play the full story mode offline once you've got the files on the machine.
Gezine, a veteran of the jailbreaking scene responsible for multiple releases, stated he won't drop the new jailbreak until GTA 6 comes out. Unless Sony figures out his exact exploit on their own, there is not much they can do.
Additionally, GTA 6 still requires 14.10 firmware, so GTA 6 will also need to bump it higher, which is unheard of.
I mean depending on how easy it was to find, if you found it with Opus 5.5 anyone else could find it too. so you wait, someone else reports it, you have no 50k and it didn't really matter anyways. I can see why you would report it. 50k is life changing money for most people
Yeah exactly. Can't blame anyone for not sitting on it when someone else could potentially find it and release it anyway. Might as well take the $50k and buy a house/car/whatever. I'm sure they'll find another exploit to dump the game come release anyway.
And even then he isn’t even releasing his kernel exploit. He always keeps it to himself. He did the same in 13.xx. Forgot which one but he found it, showed it off, and never released it to the public
Believe it or not, a majority of people who does these cracks do it to get the rewards the companies give them for finding them. I know a few people who make a decent living doing this stuff. It’s pretty impressive.
It’s their own fault for annoucing the death of physical, literally the selling point of consoles 😄 othwrwise their just in the PC business, which they abandoned/paused until sometime
Imo you’re absolutely right that this would have happened either way. I think more people are keen to watch Sony suffer as a result though given how low their goodwill is towards their user base this generation. I can’t remember a time in playstation’s history when their reputation was as bad as it is right now.
PS3 got quite a bit of flack for being a pain in the ass to make games on, it's launch price wasn't well taken, the removal of Linux support was very poorly received, and while not quite as big, the vita's memory card format wasn't very appreciated
But I'm honestly not sure that sony's rep is really down right now. A lot of what I'm seeing has the reddit bias on it. I think we'll only really know how well or poorly it's being received once we start seeing some decent sales numbers
Sony is up ~8% revenue this year. They are not having a horrendous year at all. Business wise its completely normal, maybe even a little above average.
You need an HV exploit to dump upcoming games anyway. That's why TheFloW was trying so hard to keep the only available HV exploit private, but it ended up getting patched.
Yep, TheFloW has been behind the vast majority of PS5 jailbreak breakthroughs. He's the king of PS5 exploitation.
He was the one who first made major breakthroughs on the PS5 back when nobody else had a clue. But unfortunately, He left the scene now
Some vibecoder can find it that easily, then it was only a matter of time before sony or a bunch of other people did. Getting the 50k was the best move.
Anything but a simultaneous release is double dipping. Even if there’s a remotely stable pc version that comes of this (big if), the effect on sales a year from now for an official pc version would be a rounding error.
Eh. How many people are so hard up that they'll buy it on console and then on PC, but wouldn't have done so if they came out at the same time?
I'd wager that the real double dip isn't necessarily from the consumers, but whatever deal they signed with Sony. Kind of like all that crap Epic pulled but apparently less in the light
Yes. The FOMO effect is still there even though a PC version is rumored to arrive much quicker this time around. PC gamers who don't want to wait may get a console version first and then get it again on PC. So still double dipping, but quicker, so some more patient PC gamers might wait the few months for the PC version (if it ends up being released in Q1 2027 as rumored)..
Well… Hackers going to hack. But I am done feeling sorry when a company doesn’t release a game of that magnitude across all platforms at the same time.
This is definitely going to be patched for GTA 6. They should’ve waited until the game released to announce this.
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They need to know how the patch works first, this jailbreak is announced but not released to the public yet so all Sony knows is that the fact that there is an exploit
My exact thought process too. Even if the files don't leak, I'll pirate it once it's on pc and not give them a penny. Can't believe you can be so money hungry as the biggest gaming franchise in the world.
Yeah... Welcome to the brave new world fellas. Everything is getting decompiled, recompiled and jailbroken in a day.
The companies will have to adjust. They will have to make sure that the main customers don't have a reason to go down this rabbit hole. That means stellar service, reasonable prices and less predatory shit. Those overly aggressive DRMs will also soon go away I feel. There will be less reason to use them. Pirates are gonna pirate anyway.
Update: people who say "it's gonna be all cloud" please remember where the last cloud attempt ended. Nowhere. If someone decides to lock their game behind cloud-only streaming they can do so but you can also not subscribe and not play it. Easy. If you can't do even that then you deserve all the corpa abuse that is plaguing gaming now and in the future. If the game just needs a server to run we are still in my original scenario.
As if they haven't been burning money for years when it comes to the "always online" solution, and it completly falls apart every time.
Any cloud-based service crashes and burns because it just isn't possible to maintain, because it would need to be capable to maintain access during high-demand releases like GTA 6, but it's too expensive to do so in periods where no releases like that happen. If available resources are too small, people won't have access to games they want to play, so they won't pay for that service. It's a stalemate situation.
Like skate. Right? Surely there's not a fan project called ReSkate that allows one to play that only online game completely offline.
Probably the only way publishers can get around jailbreaking and decompilation and all that stuff is by moving to a cloud streaming only system. But I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I promise you they are already doing that and not just for games. All compute in general is going to be locked behind datacenter walls and you'll only be allowed to own a dogshit thin client that can't run anything meaningful and all network traffic will be heavily monitored.
Treat any silicon you own right now like a precious commodity that can't be replaced.
I work in tech and this isn’t even a little bit true.
The focus is quite the opposite - build more and deeper moats that AI can’t overcome. Everyone is acutely aware that AI can replace something quickly, so make it irreplaceable. I’ve seen a massive increase in encryption, license security, and hardware verification.
Sony today is absolutely doing everything they can to lock down their systems more and more. I think it’s likely they pivot to a fully online model where key game files must be loaded from servers in realtime after hardware verification.
Its crazy that people think this will result in a win. Even disregarding the code of the games themselves, companies like sony will just go after the people developing the AI tools that are used for this with legal action.
I don't think an always online verification system will pan out, that would bring to much ire. But aggressive DRM baked into the source code rather than stapled to it later? Absolutely. Higher level encryption and hardware limits? Yep.
Its an arms race now, and the regular people that don't give a shit will be the ones to pay, as always. The internet just can't help itself but chase things and push things to far. Nobody has self control anymore.
LMAO, it means server authoritative code. Every game will need to be played online at all times and if your connection drops youre back to the menu. Then a very big push to get streaming games cost effective.
In your dreams. They will just create a new way to lock down the source code. Or more likely, not give it to you at all. I wouldn't be surprised if soon all games (and software in general) became cloud only
"new way to lock down the source code"
Lol, the src is never shipped to you already, it's not locked away,bits completely out of reach, that's the point of a decomp.
And since the main binary still needs to be read by your local machine so it can execute u quite literally can't make it impossible, you can only make it harder
Exactly. People think this is all fun and games but once the companies figure out how to fight this, ain't nobody laughing. All software will run partly or fully in cloud. Nothing will run on your PC alone anymore, or work without internet connection
What a great day. I hate AI but turning it back towards the people shoving it down our throats feels like the closest thing to good this can be used for. You love to see it.
Both get you respect and street credit, thing is, when you don't announce jail break as soon as you find it, you run into possibility of someone else finding it (or even Sony) and stealing all the glamour from you.
Genuine question, do these people actually get anything from the glamor and street cred? For some reason I would just assume everyone would thank people like this, and then simply forget about them lol
well, they get some fame and a lot of people would do insane things for any level of fame, dumping gta6 though? you'd be remembered in all piracy scenes forever tbh, thats not some small thing
Some do it simply for the internet clout, some use it to land jobs in cybersec, and some use it to get recruited into larger groups with bigger ambitions, among other things.
It doesn't matter, GTA is commited to being released on 14.10
They can push 14.11 that fixes it and it won't matter because GTA will still work on the previous version
Versions before 14.10 won't work as Sony/Rockstar made a commitment to 14.10 precisely to stop the jailbreaks/emulations concerns. Which hasn't really achieved anything as now 14.10 is jailbroken
But the game has been announced to be digital anyways. So a 14.11 firmware being required to access PSN to download the game would effectively require said firmware. Even if it could run on 14.10, you couldn't dump it anyway if you can't download it.
Why would they announce/release the jailbreak? Sony is going to try and patch it.
If the point is to get GTA 6, wouldn't it be better to wait for it to come out, then hack or whatever, so you can ensure that they actually release a version compatible with the break.
Depends on the motivation of the crackers. They may just want Sony to keep spending money to release more patches more than they want GTA 6 to actually be playable on jailbroken PS5s
There are an unknown number of undiscovered jailbreaks that exist (potentially dozens), so Sony can't really do anything about this one unless someone leaks it.
They will have a patch and release is only a couple minutes before GTA is released,forcing an update. That way they have time to find other exploits and force another update
That'll only work before release. After the game releases you only need a single exploit and never updating to have full access to the game files forever.
AI is sucking up all the same compute. They already can’t make a profit on streaming and now their data centers cost 10x what they used to because all the labs need NVIDIA hardware.
Don’t worry you’ll still get local gaming, it will just be expensive.
To me it’s less of it getting an early port to PC and more of all these larpers acting like they’re only rooting for this to stick it to the man and not because they want free shit lol.
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