r/magicTCG • u/mweepinc On the Case • 1d ago
Official Spoiler [TRK] Live Long and Prosper (Debut Stream)
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u/FAASTARKILLER Dandadan 1d ago
This might be the most win more-est card to ever win more while also having potential to be 7 mana do damn near nothing lol
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u/KillFallen Liliana 1d ago edited 1d ago
Its literally unusable. It requires you to have manageable life total already AND cards in hand to do anything at all. 7 mana should be a dominating play and if you have 5 life and top deck this hellbent you would be better off with timely reinforcements lmao
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u/DivinePotatoe Orzhov* 1d ago
Imagine being at 1 with no hand and you topdeck "pay 7 mana to gain 1 life and draw 0 cards" lmfao
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u/Perspectivelessly Duck Season 15h ago
Hey, that's "pay 7 mana to gain 1 life, draw 0 cards and have no maximum hand size until next turn" to you
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u/NotWhatWeExpected Duck Season 8h ago
Holy shit, the /r/magicthecirclejerking prophecy has come true. We now officially have a 7 mana white spell that says "gain 1 life"
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u/RiscELLO Wabbit Season 6h ago
[[Archangel's Light]] erasure
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u/FAASTARKILLER Dandadan 5h ago
Oh my God I still remember opening that from the Dark Ascension booster box I bought
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u/Vorsmyth Duck Season 23h ago
Literally the only use i can think of is if you are playing a ton of control mirrors and you sideboard it for just that matchup.
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u/Hanifsefu Wabbit Season 17h ago
Then you lose for paying 7 mana for a sorcery while they play almost exclusively on your turn. There's just nowhere for this card.
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u/Mogoscratcher Twin Believer 1d ago
I mean it's pretty clearly something you're supposed to cheat out. I'm sure it feels a lot better when you get it off of something like [[Archmage's Newt]] or [[Founding The Third Path]] or [[The Dawning Archaic]].
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u/Jardin_the_Potato Dandadan 1d ago
third path only lets you cheat a 1 or 2, the third step you still have to pay mana for
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u/moonMoonbear Dan 1d ago
I'm throwing together a B2 [[Will, Scion of Peace]] deck that turns lifegain into tokens and this feels just splashy/jank enough to fit in perfectly.
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u/royalbluemage Dandadan 11h ago
Isnt this back breaking for a control deck if they haven't been overrun by aggro?
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u/Specific_Ad1457 Colossal Dreadmaw 21h ago
It's very food in specifically my Hope Estheim deck that's running psychic corrosion ans friends for no good reason other than I like them.
Otherwise yeah I agree seems ass.
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u/Loose_Log_6253 Azorius* 20h ago edited 20h ago
Yes, this was my exact assessment. However, if you can cheat this out early like with [[Windbrisk Heights]] or [[Yennett]], and cast this on turn 4-5, you probably win the game, or at least reach a position where you cannot lose the game. This is a modern Sphinx's Rev in a lot of ways.
I think the lifegain itself isn't amazing, but I think it's also easy to underestimate how much life someone might gain from this. In a Jeskai Revelation deck in Standard, you can cast this on turn 5 and get to 40+ life and 17 cards in hand for instance. (Edit: actually looking at the art, I wonder if WOTC told them to mirror Jeskai Revelation. the swirl looks very similar)
At it's best, this is the new [[Sphinx's Revelation]], though that was an instant which matters a lot here. At worst, it's a 7-mana do nothing. Rock bottom floor, medium-high ceiling in a control deck.
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u/Cautious_Handle2547 Wabbit Season 1d ago edited 1d ago
My [[Hope Estheim]] deck is already a beast but will probably find a way to slot this as any life doubler in Hope is a game ender.
Edit: I'll get a list up as soon as my kid is asleep!
Edit 2: https://moxfield.com/decks/cviBRf-1ZUqpToc0fb1dfg
Edit 3:
I can't remember why I put The Book of Exalted Deeds in my deck so I'd probably remove that and slot this card in.
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u/Darkwolfgod32 Grass Toucher 1d ago
Do you have a decklist you can share? I've been putting together a hope deck too and could use some ideas.
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u/Cautious_Handle2547 Wabbit Season 1d ago
I added it to my comment now.
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u/Darkwolfgod32 Grass Toucher 1d ago
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u/Fearless_Animator_37 Dandadan 1d ago
Was just thinking the same, maybe one star trek card won't be too much of a crime :P
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u/1K_Games Duck Season 11h ago
In a Final Fantasy helmed deck that's probably not using cards just from that IP? I think it'll be fine.
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u/Fearless-Ad-5328 Duck Season 1d ago
Oh, a fellow [[Hope Estheim]] enjoyer. Always delightful to see people with good taste out there.
Also enjoy life doublers in the list, but I am a bit skeptical about this one .... but maybe its the Vorthos inside me not wanting to mix different universes
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u/Cautious_Handle2547 Wabbit Season 1d ago
Yeah.. don't look at my list then because it's a multiverse.
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u/XxTigerxXTigerxX Sliver Queen 1d ago
Did you get that sneak card from tmnt that mills half s library for 2 with sneak?
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u/narfidy 1d ago
Does "doubling your life total" actually gain you the life for the Hope trigger? Its my wife's favorite deck
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u/Cautious_Handle2547 Wabbit Season 1d ago
Yes, it does. [[Beacon of Immortality]] for example is also a great game ender in Hope.
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u/JdeFalconr Demonic Hordes 1d ago
Yes, and the doubling doubles again with things like [[Rhox Faithmender]] or [[Boon Reflection]]. So if your life was at 40 and you played this card with Rhox in play then you'd gain 80 life.
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u/LordZeya 1d ago
Any and all effects that change your life total (even those that set it to a specific value like Sorin Markov) count as life loss and life gain.
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u/Lilium_Vulpes Can’t Block Warriors 1d ago
Did you maybe used to have a land that turns into a creature with changeling previously? You have a land that can turn into a creature you control and you have an angel in the deck. It's not uncommon to see people who turn a land into an angel for a turn then use Book of Exalted deeds to put a counter on that creature land so that after the turn ends the land stops being a creature but still has the effect granted by the Book due to having the counter.
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u/Leo_Knight_98 Wabbit Season 8h ago
If you have a manland that turns into all creature types/an angel it can make you near unkillable, it used to be a thing in standard
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u/obscuremango693 Dan 8h ago
Oh ye it's going into my hope deck. I hope it actually combos with cards like ||the wind crystal|| properly. Because double life to triple life is gonna be real fun
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u/LadyVulcan 20h ago
I love that you called it "Hope for Reddit". I didn't think there was any left 😂
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u/LadyVulcan 20h ago
Also goodness gracious that's a $850+ deck!
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u/Cautious_Handle2547 Wabbit Season 18h ago
It wasnt that expensive when I built it. But I also had a lot of cards previously. I own like 10 delneys from when she was just €7. It's also "only" a €500 deck because cards are cheaper here.
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u/Shouleyy Dandadan 1d ago
got i love hopes card and want to build it but i hate him as character so much.
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u/NatrousOxide23 Mardu 1d ago
Commenting so I can come back later for the list. Hope is on my list to build at some point.
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u/NickPetey Dân 1d ago
This card is what i would show someone to see if they can evaluate cards.
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u/Loose_Log_6253 Azorius* 20h ago
lmao my boss plays magic, and I play with her sometimes. She was showing me her texts with her bf and he was like "omg this card is so good!!!" and I was like "I think it's just a worse Sea Gate Restoration" lol
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u/The-Mad-Badger Dimir* 1d ago
I'm not a star trek fan but that's a great way to interpret that phrase haha
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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking Can’t Block Warriors 1d ago
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u/Dragonfruit-Sparking Can’t Block Warriors 1d ago
Also, you literally "live long" and "prosper" by gaining life and drawing cards. Cute. Incredibly cute.
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u/Sspifffyman COMPLEAT 1d ago
Don't forget no maximum hand size when the art is a giant hand in space
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u/PickledPlumPlot Dan 1d ago edited 20h ago
You know, for the longest time I’ve wanted to play a Jeskai Revelation deck, but I hated getting a game-winning tempo swing for my seven mana. I always wanted to just draw a bunch of cards and jack off for three turns before I get my shit kicked in, and I think this card might allow me to do that. Thanks WotC!
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u/twisted_mentality Dan 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is cool and all, but is it just me or does this feel overcosted by today's standard?
Gaining life (usually) doesn't win you the game. Drawing cards is great, but you're spending 7 mana at sorcery speed for this.
Idk. Feels fun and flavorful, but also fairly casual. Like the Azorius version of dropping a big 9/9 vanilla creature or something.
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u/Hypnotic_Toad Dandadan 1d ago
This whole set is crazy overcost for very bad effects so far. I think one of the only playable cards is the new Spock they spoiled.
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u/twisted_mentality Dan 1d ago
I just saw a post spoiling [[Dr. Joseph M'Benga]], which doesn't look too bad.
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u/c0mputer99 Duck Season 1d ago
Split card? Live long | prosper
In this economy I can only afford half the spell at a time.
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u/Cimexus Dan 1d ago
This is pretty nasty in any deck that relies on “when you gain life, your opponent loses that much life” effects. These decks are usually orzhov, dimir or mono black so might need to splash an extra colour, but this could win the game out of nowhere. Especially if you also have Bloodletter of Aclazotz or similar out.
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u/johnnylemon95 Dân 1d ago
But for 7 mana, plus whatever other cards you decide to need, it’s an expensive combo. There are other, cheaper ways to win.
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u/Loose_Log_6253 Azorius* 20h ago
yep. for 7 mana, just cast Approach of the Second Sun...and then I guess you can use this to draw into it lol
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u/AssistantManagerMan Deceased 🪦 1d ago
Feels win-more in most situations. This can't refill your hand when you're out of gas and is a terrible top deck. With a full grip you probably have better things to spend seven mana on. And it's sorcery speed in colors that would really rather draw/go.
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u/Toad_Sage_Jiraiya 1d ago
Cannot wait to kill the table with this! No one wants it so itll be pennies too! Yes!
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u/wind_moon_frog Simic* 1d ago
Can’t wait to top deck this in a tight game when I really need my bomb and… gain 6 life for 7 mana? Woof.
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u/PickledPlumPlot Dan 1d ago
“Hey what if we made [[Jeskai Revelation]] but with full greed no tempo on it?”
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u/mrfoxman Dân 1d ago
Maybe specific decks will find this useful as a 7 mana spell, but otherwise seems mid. No max hand size for the rest of the game? That really too OP?
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u/SyZyGy_87 Duck Season 1d ago
It's crazy that literally as SOON AS a set drops, the next fricken day it's all about drumming up the next one. We don't even get time to enjoy the set. It's just like here you go, ok NEXT
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u/nekronics Banned in Commander 1d ago
This card is straight up ass cheeks. They need a new rarity lower than common for this card
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u/WandersWithBlender Duck Season 1d ago
Sure, I suppose I could update my [[Heliod, the Radiant Dawn]] deck
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u/willfulwizard Izzet* 1d ago
I do love this card, and will play it happily. It does a good job of capturing the intended flavor.
But I had so very hoped it would be a split card with Fuse.
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u/Kurohoshi00 Selesnya* 1d ago
The card is neat but it should do more for 7 mana. I could see it for a hand refresh on a game you're already heavily winning, but 7 mana...nah.
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u/WhiteCastleDoctrine Dan 1d ago
for 7 mana they really should put in a minimum of at least drawing 3 cards...can't really justify this in any limited deck but i'll probably try too at some point
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u/MileyMan1066 Boros* 23h ago
Watch. Im gonna play this and draw 2 cards and gain 4 life. Its gonna be awesome.
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u/Dodendans Wabbit Season 1d ago
This would be real swell in my [[The Archimandrite]]. Life gain and pump on two turns!
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u/Reilly-Blog Dandadan 23h ago
This could be interesting in my [[Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign]] deck. This deck require a lot of top deck manipulation, and with black in the pips open up graveyard shenanigans.
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u/Peelnwzaa007 Dan 23h ago
I have [[Narset, Enlightened Master]]deck that I just throw random powerful expensive mana spells in there for funsy and this is definitely going in it!
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u/Noahnoah55 Karn 1d ago
Is this good enough to hang in the [[Jeskai Revelation]] deck?
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u/flowerafterflower 1d ago
Absolutely not, this card is completely unplayable. Jeskai Rev is good because the reward for its heavy mana cost is such a huge swing that it stabilizes you even from insanely bad positions.
If you're already low on life and cards then this card reads "tap out for nothing."
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u/CHRISKVAS 1d ago
Would it really be so broken to let you keep no max hand size?