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OC What regular gasoline in Europe would cost per gallon if Americans earned their wages (Oct 2026) [OC]

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u/kettal 9h ago

Title gore

Maybe you meant  "income adjusted" ?

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u/Broddi 9h ago

Thank you - that title is so confusing

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u/v3bbkZif6TjGR38KmfyL 9h ago

How much petrol could an American petrol if a gallon cost what these countries salaries adjusted for USD earned in America in these countries.

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u/FeelMyBoars 8h ago

How much wood petrol would a woodchuck American petrol chuck petrol if an woodchuck American petrol could chuck petrol wood Americans?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself with the how much at the front.

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u/satan__clause 7h ago

I thought that's what they were going for too

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u/croaker227 9h ago

Well, you certainly tried

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u/v3bbkZif6TjGR38KmfyL 9h ago

It's so blatantly clear you must be trolling me!

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u/Freddich99 8h ago

Nah, he's just a bit dumb. I thought it made perfect sense.

It does indeed stand to reason that if a gallon of salary cost what these countries earned in dollars adjusted for the amount of America per country in gallons.

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u/v3bbkZif6TjGR38KmfyL 8h ago

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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u/croaker227 8h ago

That’s true, I am dumb

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u/abfgern_ 9h ago

Income adjusted and local price adjusted

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u/new2bay 9h ago

I don’t understand why “income adjusted” even makes sense. What does it mean? It’s not a useful measure.

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u/CrAIzy_engineer 8h ago

I don’t understand the concept of

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u/Toby_Forrester 8h ago

Have you ever had a dream that you, um, you had, your, you- you could, you’ll do, you- you wants, you, you could do so, you- you’ll do, you could- you, you want, you want them to do you so much you could do anything?

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u/Expert-user-friendly 8h ago

What a terrible title, maybe fix it?

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u/motomantic 7h ago

Another brutal AI post with a nonsense title. This data isn't beautiful, it's a map and no one knows what it means

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u/El_Charro_Loco 7h ago

You don't know what it means??

It says it right there, it's the cost per petrol if the salary earned for the gallons on each of the adjustments by Europe when translated to the metric without inflation relative to one whole of the gas prices by each of the earners in liters.

Are you stupid??

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u/Tycho-Bruh 5h ago

I am now

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u/frodeem 7h ago

Yeah I have no clue what American wages have to do with the nprice of gas in European countries. What the fuck is that title??

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u/Hussor 7h ago

Data on this sub has never been particularly beautiful or good to be honest so the bots fit right in

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u/OnAMerryFerry 3h ago

The title is horrible. But this doesn't look like AI at all. Stop being so paranoid, you're not a good at spotting AI.

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u/Ares6 9h ago

I know it’s a meme. But Portugal is matching Eastern Europe yet again. 

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u/roostangarar 9h ago

As the saying goes, "When in the Balkans..."

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u/TreBoyz 9h ago

I wonder how much does access to public transit, negate the overall financial impact for people living in these countries compared to the U.S.

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u/UbiquitousLurker 8h ago

German here: I do not pay a cent for public transport.

My company provides us with a “Deutschlandticket” for free to facilitate us using public transport to commute. I can also use it in my spare time and it is valid not just for local trains and buses, but can be used to travel the entire country, albeit not using the fast trains.

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u/Annachroniced 9h ago

Atleast where I live a lot. And not only on fuel costs. My grandmother has a very low income through various reasons. She hasnt owned a car in 30 years and has a perfectly good independent and social life.

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u/de-BelastingDienst 9h ago

Given our nation rail provider decided to hike prices to even more high (they were already higher compared to the rest of europe), not that much in our case!

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u/Jturner582 9h ago

There's not very much public transit at all in the U.S.

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u/Juls7243 6h ago

It helps for sure. But remember that the cost of goods is VERY much related to the trucking industry (getting the goods to the store in the first place). Trucking is as critical in europe as it is in the US.

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u/PB0351 7h ago

So income adjusted price of gas?

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u/jonnyl3 7h ago

Yeah, but only for Americans.

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u/PB0351 7h ago

Got. OP could have just said "gas is expensive as fuck in Europe"

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u/robgod50 7h ago

I haven't even figured out how to interpret the data.

I thought it was saying that Americans average income is the highest

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u/PB0351 6h ago

You may be right. I think we can all agree that this data in particular is not beautiful.

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u/Looking-for-42 8h ago

Very first question: how much is a gallon? Next question: what do Americans earn if not their wages?

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u/Brosario_ 7h ago

1 gallon is 16 cups. I hope this clears things up for you.

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u/whosUtred 7h ago

If it’s 16 cups, how many girls is that?

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u/El_Charro_Loco 7h ago

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Two girls for every one cup is the golden ratio.

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u/Sablestein 7h ago

I thought it was the brown ratio.

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u/H0pefully_Not_A_Bot 6h ago

I think you mean the coprophillic constant.

The golden ratio is about riding horses and spining balls:
https://youtu.be/BdyG_HAZ9SU

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u/Frothingdogscock 6h ago

Nope, that's a "United States Customary System" gallon. Only the US and Liberia use it.

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u/romario77 7h ago

3.78L to the first question.

Second - who knows what it means. I assume it’s getting how much time it took to earn a gallon and multiplying (European country time) / us time by the price in US.

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u/Squirrelking666 6h ago

4.55 litres depending on the gallon

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u/Frothingdogscock 6h ago

SSsshhh, they're American, you think they know they don't use Imperial gallons ?

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u/Coolpabloo7 5h ago

What kind of gallon do you want? Queen Anne wine Gallon, dry gallon, beer gallon (different from the wine gallon) or imperial gallon. On the continent they used different kind of measurements like Kanne or Stoop, pint or Einer which could differ by 200% from English equivalent. If only someone had invented a system to harmonize these measurements.

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u/frodeem 7h ago

Yeah the title makes zero sense. As for how much a gallon is that's an easy google search instead of waiting for someone to answer here.

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u/El_Charro_Loco 7h ago

IT'S 256 TABLESPOONS

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u/killreaperz 9h ago

Americans discover their near free petroleum at home is, infact, not actually expensive 🤣

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u/YaBoiLeith 10h ago

I would say yes and no. From my (admittedly limited) personal experience, despite Europe and US being classed as "The West" we're actually quite dissimilar in the way life is structured. Things aren't as spread out in Europe as they are in the US, I would imagine the average miles a person "needs" to travels in a week for work, leisure etc. are far lower in Europe compared to the US. We don't have the same suburban sprawl and our countries are smaller than most US states. I would also say we also aren't (yet) as commercialised as the US, advertising hasn't yet drilled into is that "bigger is better, gotta drive a V8 so I'm not called a sissy" mentality. It's certainly how economics and culture collide!

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u/ThePistachioBogeyman 10h ago

The West is more political than anything else anymore. That’s how Australia and New Zealand still manage to be part of the “The West”.

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u/GoodOmens 10h ago

Cars are dumb and a money pit but in America few have a choice if they want to have a job

Though size is 100% within choice....

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u/ivydesert 10h ago

They're an unfortunate necessity most places in the US, unless you A) work within walking/biking distance from your job; B) live in a city with a good public transit system; or C) are willing to deal with shitty public transportation.

That said, I have little sympathy for people who complain about gas/diesel prices but insist on driving their fuel hog road princess megabed caboose truck to their white collar job every day.

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u/AwesomeAndy 10h ago

But bruh they may need to transport a few sheets of drywall or a piece of furniture once or twice a year and there is simply no other option than to own a fuel hog road princess megabed caboose truck the other 364 days!

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u/esedege 10h ago

Serious question: are roof racks unusual in the US? I have a Škoda Fabia (link comparing its size with a random Ford F-150) and I’ve been bringing back home almost all my Ikea furniture that way, one chunk at a time, as needed. The rest of the time it provides me with a 39-42 mpg.

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u/Brocktologist 10h ago

Roof racks are quite common here. However, through advertising and cultural changes, pickup trucks have become a near default choice for many. For the vast majority of people and pickup truck owners, your car would be the better, more economical option.

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u/esedege 8h ago

Thanks for the answer! It just boggles my mind to make the choice of carrying so much dead weight for a once-a-year usage, if at all, and I wanted to know if, idk, roof racks were that restricted so as to make them useless.

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u/amurica1138 10h ago

Visiting my daughter in a Dallas suburb right now, and it’s a toss up between which is more common - pickups so tall they have ladders to climb into the driver seat or 8 cyl SUVs with just a driver and no one else in the car.

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u/cha_pupa 10h ago

> live in a city with a good public transit system

So literally just NYC... or an expensive, central region of DC/Boston/SF

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u/Rude_Engineering_629 10h ago

Chicago!

End of list.

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u/righthandofdog 10h ago

You can GREATLY broaden that by choosing to live close to transit in a city with less coverage. Atlanta is a very livable city with no car if you live and work close to MARTA and interconnect by bike instead of using buses, which are sharing lanes with all the commuters.

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u/Phynx88 10h ago

Lol, despite Republican's best efforts to repeatedly hamstring it and reappropriate all the money for expansion, Philadelphia's SEPTA is still one of the best public transit systems outside of NYC in the country

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u/Shinnyo 10h ago

In Europe it's a convenience.

In US it's a necessity.

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u/proof_required 10h ago

Lot of Europeans have no choice either! Most of the people I know in Europe (France/Germany) own a car and have to commute to work using that since they live in suburbs/villages. Not everyone can afford to live in middle of city with public transportation at their door.

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u/Mnm0602 10h ago

Lmao I always see shit like this on Reddit then I visit the metro in Paris and the smells, the heat, the crowds, the strikes, the weird people all remind me different strokes for different folks.

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u/Mondial5 10h ago

For commuting to work sure but its not uncommon for people to live 6-8 hours from family where driving is basically the only way to make the trip. 

You cant make that drive with a family in a small car while packing the things you would need for a few days. 

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u/420BONGZ4LIFE 10h ago

I’ve taken trips with 5 people total in a sedan without issues. 

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u/Mondial5 9h ago

Some sedans are larger than SUV so that really doesnt mean much. 

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u/macrolidesrule 10h ago

Depends what you are defining as a small car of course.

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u/Mondial5 9h ago

I could not imagine making a multi day trip in a car similar or slightly larger than a VW beatle with a family and dog. 

Cars of that size are just not really going to be a viable option for a family in the usa. 

Also if you have a family of 5 you probably cant even fit into most sedans if 2 of the kids are in a car seat. 

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u/Rude_Engineering_629 10h ago

Yea but like half the reason it’s so expensive is because the EU has HUGE taxes on gas.

Also, one issue of the income aspect is that net income isn’t removing tangible benefits that taxes are providing for one group and not the other. You can probably name a big one (healthcare), but there are actually many others. Which makes comparisons hard to even really do.

Like trains are subsidized by other tax income. The cost of transportation is a strictly net income comparison.

This is what what’s makes net income hard to define.

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u/Watergirl626 10h ago

US subsidizes oil companies. Europe subsidizes health care.
At 24$ a gallon, a 10 gallon tank at 30mpg is 12k a year. Avg expenditure on health care in US is 15k.

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u/Rude_Engineering_629 9h ago

Neither of which is the post tax figure. That’s average per person, not just spending after net income. Which I don’t believe is even trackable given the absurd amount of different tax implications possible.

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u/Watergirl626 9h ago

I didn't consider that premiums are calculated out of net pay.

You dau neither is post tax. Can you help me understand what else besides the premium cost you are referencing?

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u/Rude_Engineering_629 9h ago

Premiums can be either before or after taxes. Before: employer driven healthcare. After: Medicare secondary coverage. Your copays/cosinsurance can be before or after. Before: HSA, after: traditional PPO and Medicare coinsurance amounts. That’s not even addressing the cost shifting from old to young people done by Medicare purposely paying below the cost of care.

No one tracks the level of details here needed to calculate anything. Which also gets even more complex because if you beat 7.5% of your AGI it’s tax deductible. But now you’re loosing another tax deduction, the standard deduction, so what percentage of that is actually post tax?! I could not hazard to guess…

That’s why in general it’s better to use average consumption instead of average net income. Income is too intertwined with tax policy to be used to compare shit.

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u/Watergirl626 9h ago

Got it. So neither premiums nor co-pays. I just wanted clarity because the two things I referenced were health care (general) and gas and wanted to ensure I understood what your neither referred to. Appreciate the clarity.

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u/Rude_Engineering_629 9h ago

Neither was a reference to gas, Europe and the US use different tax mechanisms to pay for roads. Hell even in the US it’s crazy different, not every state has toll roads some just embed it directly into gas prices. NJ for example doesn’t do this. Cali is mostly gas tax driven and not toll driven income.

So we aren’t even comparing the actual costs for vehicle usage.

The federal government covers a chunk of spending from non vehicle income, federal gas tax doesnt cover federal highway expenditures.

Europe does some reallly wonky shit, like tolljng mostly being on larger vehicles, which shows up in the costs of goods and no where near people’s actual cost for gas or cost of road usage.. which is… odd to compare…

Europe isn’t really putting taxes there because they are not “subsidizing” the costs like the US does, they are doing it to influence consumer consumption. Where the US doesn’t do that as much outside of sin taxes.

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u/adampm1 10h ago

Yucky ai

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u/experiencedkiller 9h ago

Okay but they wouldn't buy it in gallons so it's fine

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u/northeastunion 10h ago

Source: EU Weekly Oil Bulletin (Oct 12 2026), cenoskop.si (non-EU prices), OECD Taxing Wages 2025, Eurostat, national stats of Serbia, Montenegro, N. Macedonia, Bosnia, ECB exchange rates, AAA (US price).
Tool: Python (geopandas + matplotlib), Natural Earth map data.

Gas in Europe is really expensive compared to their wages. In Greece a gallon costs around $9.34. Average Greek salary is about $1,800 a month, compared to $4,600 for the average American. So in relative terms, Greeks are paying about $23 per gallon.

How I did it:

  1. Price of 95 octane (same as our regular 87) per liter × 3.785 = price per gallon.
  2. Divide by their average take-home pay (after taxes, 2025).
  3. Multiply by US average take-home pay, $4,637 a month (OECD).

In USA today regular is $4.28 (AAA).

Top 10 biggest countries:

# Country Real price $/gal Relative $/gal
1 Romania $8.06 $30.43
2 Türkiye* $6.40 $29.96
3 Poland $6.67 $18.09
4 Italy $8.59 $16.30
5 Spain $7.61 $15.09
6 France $9.40 $14.07
7 Germany $9.41 $11.40
8 Belgium $8.40 $11.05
9 Netherlands $10.46 $10.41
10 UK $8.83 $8.57
— USA $4.28 $4.28

*Türkiye looks worse than real because of inflation (2025 wages vs 2026 prices).

Bottom line: gas in Europe is really expensive, that's why everybody is considering hybrids and electric cars.

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u/ludololl 10h ago

Your post title didn't make sense to me, so thank you for including the comment description.

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u/Dargolath 9h ago

Are you mixing average and median or with and without taxes wages here?
Out of curiosity what you actually mean by "average", I checked with google, and for Greece it's 2.1k average, 1.6k after tax, and 1.8k median, 1.4k after tax - so there you used median before taxes? The US number for comparison seems to be fairly certainly after taxes. So what's up with that?
Could you maybe put a direct link on your sources, if just for convenience?

Also, super confusing title.

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u/LordAndy316 10h ago

How does this change if you look at median income instead of average

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u/Orion1248 9h ago

What type of average did you use for take home pay?

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u/Full_Slice9547 7h ago

Average salary is an awful choice due to varying levels of inequality. Do median.

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u/navitios 9h ago

Would love to see some global examples too

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u/proof_required 10h ago

As expected this isn't going to go well with majority of reddit user base i.e. Americans! Heavily downvoted already.

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u/Nope_______ 9h ago

Why wouldn't Americans like this? Seems like they'd love the opportunity to gloat over the europoors

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u/proof_required 9h ago

Why wouldn't Americans like this?

Because lot of reddit Americans portray USA as this super expensive place to live. It's like your rich neighbour complaining about some costs.

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u/BroseppeVerdi 8h ago

That's not necessarily true. We're great at pivoting back and forth between "America is only expensive because we have a higher standard of living than those gross European socialists" and "America is actually way more affordable than Europe because socialism made everything more expensive over there". I've seen people do it mid-sentence before.

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u/_CHIFFRE 7h ago

they aren't wrong because the national prices in the Usa are quite steep in comparisons: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-price-levels-relative-to-the-us?tab=map housing costs, healthcare, higher education, insurance and some services seem to be the reason.

obviously if your income is average (around $5-6k gross per month) then you'll probably be fine but there's a good chunk of people that are well below that due to severe inequality.

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u/Greedy-Pen 8h ago

A lot of chronically online Reddit using Americans have fallen to the propaganda that the USA is a “third world country” that’s overly expensive to live in and that every other person is crushed by medical debt.

Reality for the majority is they live normal lives without many concerns over medical debt because they have insurance or haven’t had to go to the doctor.

And as a country we have a very high standard of living that costs more and it’s quite frankly easy to cut back and be cheap.

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u/TzarBombaTA 9h ago edited 9h ago

The American "left" still try to portray the American people as victims of capitalism and not the beneficiaries of imperial superprofits they actually are.

Edit: I should note that the European client states of the US benefit from unequal exchange as well, if only to a slightly lesser degree.

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u/GimmeShockTreatment 9h ago

I think to a certain extent I agree, but also cost of living raises accordingly within the US to null out a lot of this idea that a majority of working class people in the US are still beneficiaries of imperialist superprofits.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with most of the sentiment. However, I'm not sure it makes sense materially anymore based on other conditions. Probably was true in like the 50s-90s though.

You could probably argue that working class in the nordic countries benefit more from imperialism but I'm not sure people are ready for that take.

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u/new2bay 9h ago

Everyone living in a capitalist society is a victim of capitalism.

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u/TzarBombaTA 9h ago

Absolutely not. Some people are net beneficiaries of capitalism; a tiny minority of the world, but a large majority of the imperial core.

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u/Mithrawndo 9h ago

I don't know man, life on Coruscant looks pretty horrendous for the majority...

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u/new2bay 5h ago

Not true. Capitalism has basically doomed industrial society. Sixty percent of mammals, fish, birds, and reptiles have been wiped out since 1970. CO2 levels are at record highs every year, and we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the Earth every single year since 1970. Those are problems for everybody. Civilization as we know it won't survive more than a few decades more.

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u/TzarBombaTA 5h ago

I was talking about immediate economic concerns, but you're right on this point.

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u/DJaxolotl 9h ago

I used to be of this perspective but I’m inclined now to think that really there were only a couple decades post war of actual returns to the working class in the imperial core where you could say they were ‘net beneficiaries’ since then the ability of wages to redistribute wealth and reduce wealth inequality has massively fractured. I don’t see how one can be net beneficiaries of a system that is transferring wealth to the 1% at an increasing rate, where there is a massive precarious new class being carved out who will only have a subscription model version of previous ownership arrangements. Sure there are different degrees of exploitation which are stark compared to Global South countries but I think this is not the same as the overall difference in kind between the owning capitalists and working or even professional managerial class.

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u/new2bay 9h ago

I downvoted because it’s a confusing and stupid post.

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u/Kartonrealista 7h ago

I think it's downvoted because the title is written in a very unfortunate way

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u/stray_r 9h ago

I think it's unpopular because the premise is just kind of weird and disguises how fuel prices are highest in Europe in the richest countries that tax them the most (UK, Germany) but it's a way more painful purchase in countries where wages are lower.

But get back to me about fuel prices after you've paid for healthcare and dentistry. I think I broke my friend and several people at a doctor's surgery in Bavaria after dropping my British passport and GHIC card and paying a total of 5 euros for a consultation for tonsillitis and week's course of antibiotics.

But I'm still sore about paying €2.90/litre just outside Trier

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u/proof_required 9h ago

But get back to me about fuel prices after you've paid for healthcare and dentistry.

1200 Euros/month + dental extra. Get back to me when your state tax matches VAT (~20%)

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u/stray_r 9h ago

Scroll up to 'British passport and GHIC card'

Our healthcare isn't an insurance product at insurance prices.

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u/stray_r 9h ago

Americans aren't even a majority of the Reddit user base. They're still one of the biggest single groups on English language subs though.

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u/Xaephos 9h ago

43% is a plurality, not a majority.

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u/Nope_______ 8h ago

Thanks for providing a source showing Americans aren't a majority to back the guy up who was just claiming it.

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u/WellTextured 7h ago

Honestly Id repost this with a different title. It's incomprehensible.

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u/Loud-Interview-381 10h ago

and yet the eu doesnt elect their governments based on gas price

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u/fiendishrabbit 10h ago edited 10h ago

Honestly gas prices were a major factor for Sweden in the 2022 elections. Though functioning cities/public transport lessens it's impact.

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u/proof_required 10h ago

The german government is currently providing gas subsidies. I know french and spanish have done it in the past. Why do you think they are doing it?

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u/Mithrawndo 10h ago

That's slightly misleading wording, of course: The German government has temporarily cut the amount of tax they levy on petroleum, which all said (there are multiple duties levied) is usually around a 100% markup on the cost.

This is exceptionally common amongst governments the world over to do.

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u/heliosh 9h ago

Meanwhile Switzerland:
"Bern confirmed that, for now, no government intervention to ease the cost of fuel is planned. [...]
government intervention would remove the incentive to take precautions independently and weaken the economy's resilience"
(sauce)

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u/proof_required 9h ago

This is exceptionally common amongst governments the world over to do.

Yes because it affects their electability just like in USA. The post I replied to implied that gas prices are only an election issue in USA.

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u/Mithrawndo 9h ago

Of course; A correction is not a contradiction.

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u/Orion1248 9h ago

This is fascinating. I don’t understand why it seems to be controversial.

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u/Mithrawndo 9h ago

Largely the nonsensical title, I assume.

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u/Toby_Forrester 8h ago

I don't understand the title and I don't know how much a gallon is.

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u/northeastunion 9h ago

Maybe I make it a little bit offensive for Europeans. What I was trying to say that gas is really expensive adjusted for average salary in Europe.

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u/LukeHanson1991 9h ago

Yes of course its expensive. We don’t have oil and put even CO2 tax on it. Europe needs to get rid of this dependency as fast as possible.

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u/new2bay 9h ago

Norway has plenty of oil.

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u/concadium 9h ago

And it also isn’t part of the EU 🙃

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u/new2bay 8h ago

So? They said “Europe,” not the EU.

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u/trophic_cascade 9h ago

Plenty of non EU countries on this figure 🥰

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u/cawclot 6h ago

They currently export over 90% and don't have the capacity at the moment. It'll take several years to ramp up production.

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u/Dobsus 9h ago

Maybe I make it a little bit offensive for Europeans

Not really, the title just sucks. There is significant additional text on the map that clarifies what you mean but it's small enough that I have to open the image in a dedicated tab and zoom to read it, so it's less effort to downvote the post than it is to decode the title.

adjusted for average salary in Europe

This statement should have gone in the title

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u/accelerating_ 9h ago

I don't think anyone is offended, I think people just can't work out what on earth you're trying to say in the title. Even coming to understand what the map is showing, I can't fit it (or anything) to the title.

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u/jiggy68 8h ago

Reading the yellow square in the bottom corner kinda makes it a little more understandable.

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u/namdor 9h ago

Europeans know this. Every day Americans talk on social media about their high gas prices, as if they aren't paying dirt cheap prices for gas in comparison. 

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u/Grab_Critical 9h ago

I am German living in France. This is not offensive to me for multiple reasons. 1. I don't understand the title. 2. I don't know what a gallon is 3. Prices are in USD. 4. I couldn't care less for anything related to the USA, except the NBA.

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u/Danph85 10h ago

According to a quick google, the average MPG (using American Gallons) for cars in Europe is 42, whereas for the USA it's 27.1. So Americans are using about 55% more fuel per mile than Europeans.

So to make this relevant data, shouldn't that be applied to the $ figure too?

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u/Brain_Hawk 10h ago

Nomita cost per gallon not cost per mile. A gallon is a gallon no matter how efficient your car is.

Emoji shrug here.

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u/Account_N4 9h ago

At least $/mile is a unit we Europeans can convert to €/km. Gallons are one of the more exotic freedom units that most of us don't have a concept of. ...I guess we could google it - or down vote the post, we're on Reddit after all /s

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u/Mithrawndo 9h ago

Which type of gallon would you like to convert from?

Imperial is about 4.5 litres

American is about 3.75 litres

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u/fph00 9h ago

At this point, why not normalize also by the fact that the average European has a shorter commute? And weighs less?

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u/cman674 9h ago

The better metric to look at would be household gasoline expenditures as a percentage of income, which bakes all of those things in.

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u/Mithrawndo 9h ago

This is ever so slightly misleading. For example the average US commute is actually shorter than the average UK commute: 26 versus 29 minutes respectively - close enough to call them the same in my opinion.

Distance isn't a useful measurement here either, as the LA commuter isn't covering any more ground than the London commuter.

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u/kbcool 9h ago

Have we checked mode of transport for these numbers? Somehow I don't think many Americans are walking to work. Also even when comparing time in cars time spent moving slowly uses less fuel than time going like the clappers at 100kmph. Although I will definitely give you the fact that in LA you're unlikely to be going anywhere in a hurry

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u/StShadow 8h ago

Thanks to EU, americans weigh less too.

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u/Gnomio1 9h ago

Are you making sure to account for the difference between a U.S. gallon and an imperial gallon?

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u/CuriousIllustrator11 9h ago

What if there were a standard international measurement system that would make comparisons like this supereasy.

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u/Danph85 9h ago

Yes, as I said in my post.

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u/PropOnTop 8h ago

US Gallon is non-migratory.

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u/accelerating_ 8h ago

That must be either only the average of new cars, or excluding pickup trucks, maybe excluding SUVs, or all of the above. There are a lot of guzzling trucks and SUVs out there that are lucky to get 20, and typically that's most vehicles on the road.

I know someone who recently bought a hybrid RAV4 in the US (that is not considered large in the US) and they are averaging 31mpg. He was annoyed to note that my 10 year old ICE car does better, even though it's unimpressive at 33mpg (7.1l/100km). Efficiency gains have mostly been used to allow vehicles to be bigger and faster.

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u/smooshiebear 8h ago

Why should this apply to the cost per gallon? If you wanted to apply it to the dollars/mile (euro/km), then sure, but the mileage rate is not relevant to the raw cost.

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u/Danph85 8h ago

Because the only reason to buy fuel is to use it to travel, so mpg matters.

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u/NasserAjine 7h ago

Fuel efficiency affects demand and therefore pricing equilibrium

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u/7355135061550 5h ago

To make it even more confusing

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u/turbo_dude 7h ago

Actually hilarious that Americans didn’t opt for more efficient cars after the 70s oil crisis. 

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u/Juls7243 6h ago

No.

European cars are more fuel efficient for a reason (higher gas costs force fuel economy to be a critical component of what cars get sold). If gas were $25 per gallon you'd only see Priuses on the road here as well.

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u/rakoNeed 9h ago

Exactly. I've lived & will live again in Europe: the increased fuel prices are partially offset by fuel-efficiency and discount ass-mass.

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u/thisisinput 9h ago

Luckily we have a great railway system and public transit in the United States! /s

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u/DigitalArbitrage OC: 1 9h ago

The U.S. does have a great railway system. It is just used almost exclusively for shipping freight.

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u/kbcool 9h ago

Shipping dangerous freight too based on some recent incidents..yoiks

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u/DrFabulous0 8h ago

WTF is gasoline? And WTF is a gallon?

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u/PB0351 7h ago

Well that explains a big chunk of the American vs European car debate.

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u/QuietNene 7h ago

Better to use gross salary.

Europeans pay more in taxes but then they get things like healthcare and pensions.

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u/L33t_Cyborg 6h ago

this is a really good map it’s just not immediately digestible without spending time to understand so i guess that’s why this is an unpopular post and all of the AI slop posts stay on trending

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u/Frothingdogscock 6h ago

I assume these are the American mini-gallons ?

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u/Competitive-Roof-168 8h ago

Im driving to Switzerland to fill up i guess

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u/Mustang1x1 8h ago

Eastern European drivers often use LPG which cuts the price in half. Lots of farmers who have tax exceptions on diesel fuel use it in their cars too, as diesel cars are common in Europe (especially older ones)

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u/Mundane_Fault_6345 9h ago

And Trump saying: France burns because of migrants 🤣.

Wouldn't the US burn if the gallon was at $ 14 ?

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u/Preform_Perform 8h ago

Burn? Probably not.

A lot more bicycles on the road? Almost certainly.

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u/jugo_boss 8h ago

Countries that don't extract or refine an absurd amount of oil have more expensive gasoline, wow total shock.

  • US extracts the most crude oil of any country. ~16% of global total extraction.
  • US refines the most crude oil into gasoline. China may now be about equal in total refining capacity. About 18% of global total refining each. The US imports crude to be refined and exports excess gasoline.

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u/otisticRetard52 8h ago

Most of those high prices are because of taxes

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u/tty5 8h ago

Taxes are 47% of gasoline and 40% of diesel price on average in EU.

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u/targz254 8h ago

This map is also adjusting prices up for low income countries which is why Switzerland is cheap compared to balkans.

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u/Goldencol 9h ago

Yeah in Europe we pay by the litre . Where's the litre graph.

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u/mariuszmie 10h ago

Average American gets paid over $4000 a month?

Sure if you have a thousand billionaires and you thousands of multimillionaires it skews your averages to silly levels

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u/lenin1991 10h ago

Median personal income in the US is $51k per year. And being median, no billionaire skew.

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u/Tiffana 10h ago edited 10h ago

After taxes? Either way, only accounting for taxes is skewing the data here. Most, if not all, EU countries citizens pay for healthcare via taxes, while it’s mostly separate in the US - and pretty expensive, on average

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u/CakeisaDie 10h ago

4000x12 is 48,000

That's firmly median income range which is 47k in the us for individual according to the census. Average is higher at 64k according to bls

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u/InfiniteFudge1973 OC: 1 10h ago

Median personal income in the US of all individual earners is $47k. For full-time workers (35+ hours per week), the median weekly earnings is $1,251, which works out to $65k per year. Monthly take-home pay would be $4100-4400 depending on the state.

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u/Nope_______ 9h ago

Median personal income is about $46k/year or so, household is around $86k. Median isn't really skewed by billionaires

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u/georgica123 8h ago

Yes the average american is paid more than the avrage european. I

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u/shunestar 8h ago

Median isn’t average.

Americans really do have it great.

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u/Bubbafett33 10h ago

Isn't this just a map showing the taxes each country applies to gasoline?

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u/Mithrawndo 9h ago

No, as the UK for example has one of the highest rates of tax on petroleum in Europe and yet is one of the best performing states on this infographic.

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u/Zerot7 9h ago

Well yes and no. Wholesale prices vary by region, buying contracts for oil also very by refinery and way more buying contracts are being distributed in Europe forcing them to pay spot prices which is the price you see reported. They are also getting hit with shortages driving up the price more than in the US. Then yes taxes are higher on fuel there and subsidies are less. There could be something going on with the data also like I noticed 95 in Europe (ROI scale) is actually the same as 91 in US (AKI scale).

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u/Orion1248 9h ago

I think it’s pretty interesting. I’m from the UK and found the comparison between us and the rest of Europe quite informative.