Blizzard did something terrible to Night Elves

[u/romyori]

Night elf looks terrible. I play the same character most of the time, night elf female, short hair with ponytail, same face even. She looks so bad in Forever, this can't be ignored at this point. I know some of these things could be due to the character select camera angle which changed in Forever, which NEEDS TO CHANGE BACK, but some things actually had a model change, like her HAIR.

The character select screen pictures are self explanatory, in general everything that made night elves look tough has been softened. shoulders sloped down more, less aggressive posture. just completely soy now.

But When I looked at a random NPC with the male model, I couldn't believe they did the same to him. His skeleton is completely weak now. The last picture I include shows an overlap of the Forever skeleton vs the Classic skeleton on top of each other, complete difference.

I know Blizzard fucked up a lot of the skeletons for the SD models, but this goes past that.

HER HAIR IS NOT THE SAME.

[u/Lordofthereef]

Man I see these comparisons and I guess I can tell a difference when I look hard enough but it just doesn't seem that egregious to me. And I'm not a retail player. At least not since WotLK was retail. 🤷

[u/Drazatis → u/Lordofthereef]

Honestly thank you. I get nostalgia, but sometimes I see posts like this and think i’m the crazy one because my inner monologue shouts that its the same thing. Is it minutely different? Absolutely. Can I tell while I running around playing? Nope. Everyone still looks just as endearingly ugly as I remember.

[u/XsNR → u/Drazatis]

It's one of those things that slightly changes the way you view the character(s), so I get why people are upset about it. Like the Undead one it changes the very iconic running animation to being a lot more like a normal human.

Honestly though the whole thing has been a nightmare, as both HD and SD are fucked up in their own ways, and they clearly don't have the resources to fix that stuff while also focusing on getting the meat of the game ready.

[u/desperateorphan → u/Lordofthereef]

I'd bet if you took the labels off, most people wouldn't be able to tell which one was classic, which was vanilla and which was classic. I'd also bet that most people don't notice these things until someone with a bit of tism points it out.

[u/PlasticSlide4094 → u/desperateorphan]

I noticed immediately. But have been playing since vanilla.

[u/Front-Investigator68 → u/Lordofthereef]

Just because it’s not egregious to you doesn’t mean it’s not egregious to anyone else 😌

[u/koleiki → u/Front-Investigator68]

You're right, everyone's opinions need to be listened to, regardless of how ridiculous they are.

[u/Lordofthereef → u/Front-Investigator68]

The good news is that I wasn't speaking for anyone but myself. 😊

[u/romyori → u/Lordofthereef]

look at the hair in the first picture it’s actually insane they got away with this

[u/Lordofthereef → u/romyori]

I mean it's different but I wouldn't have noticed if I wasn't looking at two different images. That's really my point.

And I don't say this to try and take anything away from you. I just can't be mad and I can't even say image one is worse, just not exactly the same.

[u/Doove → u/romyori]

[u/Cosmosass → u/romyori]

totally INSANE HOW DO THEY KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS AHHH

[u/blackberrybeanz → u/romyori]

Yall Rp’ers are wild man

[u/romyori → u/blackberrybeanz]

i do not understand why people act like it’s a crime to want the models to look good when they looked good in the past

[u/Lordofthereef → u/romyori]

So, I don't think it's a crime. But you went beyond that and said you don't know how they can get away with it, almost like what they did here was a crime. It's probably the way most of you passionate folks approach this that has people giving you a wide berth.

[u/romyori → u/Lordofthereef]

many threads about the same issue and none ever get to front page. whether they’re passionate about it or not, the fact is that much of this community doesn’t care about this stuff and they think the rest of the community that does care is crazy for caring. they can add all sorts of paid cosmetics in the game but can’t fix simple models to the way that they were in classic. they are marketing it as classic plus and causing many people to resub and they can’t even get simple things correct the way they were in classic, call it false advertising. it’s crazy they are getting away with not fixing simple things, because half the community has no eyes and the other half has no backbone and a small amount of the community is calling things out just gets gaslit by the mob

[u/Lordofthereef → u/romyori]

Ok but all I did was point out you don't understand why people act like it's a crime and then acted like it's a crime yourself. You know what I mean? You can't exactly act like blizzard killed your first born and then be surprised when people find your own outage overblown.

Also, I've seen tons of these. It's how/why I entered the conversation. It's fine for you to care but you kind of need to accept that maybe most don't? "How can they get away with it?" Because many (most?) don't think this is even bad...

[u/romyori → u/Lordofthereef]

i'm not just talking about this post though, any time people bring up the disparity, they're called mentally ill or just downvoted into oblivion. that's what i'm talking about "acting like it's a crime".

Blizzard took something away, that feels like a crime. I don't really get your point, like if i'm mad at them for doing something, then people are allowed to be mad at me for calling it out?

Many people care, and more people don't. It's just weird the way this subreddit works, or maybe reddit in general (i only really started using reddit for wow forever feedback) but it feels like if someone doesn't have an opinion on something, they will just shit on someone who does have an opinion, only because they had an opinion. It's a terrible way for the world to work, it's like everyone on here thinks someone giving feedback or complaining about something they don't like is just lying for attention. There is no empathy.

My tone in the post is not how I write everything. It was just an attempt to get a different reaction, since it seems no way of going about this topic results in any meaningful change.

[u/Lordofthereef → u/romyori]

I can only respond to what you said. I had no idea yo were talking about some overarching problem. You also claimed that these threads never get to the front page, and they have. So I'm honestly not sure what we are doing here.

I think it's safe to say that if you act like this is some assault on your game, maybe the average viewer is going to think you're way over exaggerating. Does that give them the right to be dicks? No.

[u/xXx_r3dd1t_k1ll4_xXx]

This so much OP. Commenting for visibility.

[u/MachineMindsEye]

Competitive nitpicking

[u/Switchbladesaint]

Unemployment barometer

[u/GenderJuicy]

It's okay they won't do anything about it. They've already committed to a broken pipeline and it's going to cost much more to fix and they won't backtrack and go with the simpler option.

[u/peachwheel]

all the female SD models look like thumbs now. human, orc, night elf...

i think SD female nelf and male UD have the worst translations into WoWF. theyre chopped

[u/FlyinDtchman]

[u/Derek114811 → u/FlyinDtchman]

They’re obviously not. The hair doesn’t look the same at all.

[u/Monorie02 → u/FlyinDtchman]

They are not

[u/Former_Seesaw_6326]

Do they look the same dancing on the mail box? I mean that is their primary function no?

[u/Equivalent_Joke_4987]

They do look different. Every person I know (mostly Classic players, so obviously biased) can immediately tell their race of choice feels off when running around in Forever. If there's anyhting I've noticed lately it's that a significant amount of people on here do not have an eye for detail at all.

[u/romyori → u/Equivalent_Joke_4987]

and yet they decide what threads go to the front page and blizzard devs are more likely to see

[u/koleiki → u/romyori]

Lmao what. You think threads are hand selected to get boosted in rankings?

[u/romyori → u/koleiki]

a lot of people in this sub don’t have opinions or just don’t want to think and will kind of follow what everyone else is saying. popular topics get pushed to the top and upvoted more often because it takes them no brain power to agree

[u/koleiki → u/romyori]

And you, magnanimous leader, are the one who is thinking clearly and rationally, prioritizing the discussions that really matter?

You should really take that reality check to the bank.

[u/romyori → u/koleiki]

whether i’m right or wrong doesn’t change anything, its still an echo chamber. it’s also so far from the point that i’m starting to think you’ve lost touch with reality

[u/mechatui]

It’s because it’s not the vanilla model. I think they just added less poly to the retail models and then added back in classic animations. Yea night elf’s are less bulky/muscle in retail

[u/Due_Pace_7979]

Some races are more obvious then others. This is due to them using the HD skeletons with SD textures

[u/romyori → u/Due_Pace_7979]

i think it’s a camera angle in the character select screen too, must’ve been a default import from retail. nobody thinks it looks good, but there’s an overwhelmingly vocal “i don’t care” crowd that tries to push these issues down

[u/indefa → u/romyori]

I have a slight preference for the newer slender SD skeletons (for Nelf specifically) and although the differences are minimal enough that I wouldn't mind if they fully reverted to the old skeleton, I also kinda don't want blizz to put time into bringing back the old skeletons purely because that's valuable time they could be fixing the 1000's of other things I care actually care about lol.

[u/SirSaltie]

[u/FixBlackLotusBlizz]

save the nelfs!!

[u/notverysmawt]

Honestly yeah I am very surprised how retail-y it looks to me even in sd

[u/nothuzz1910]

Tauren too

[u/tinylittlebabyjesus]

For me it depends on the detail. For example, my own race is usually Trolls. And to me, Trolls seem fine to me except for the fact that they didn't port all of the faces very faithfully. There are a couple of nicer looking faces, and they made them more monstrous and ugly. Just like some of the human faces not translating well when remade in HD.

That just seems like poor work.

I can see being upset about that kind of thing. Or even the hair in the above example. Having hairstyle options would be nice. The hair and the eye brightness details that you highlighted are things I'd notice and appreciate being there, or not.

People will totally notice small changes when they have to do with a character that they've looked at from a million angles for thousands of hours.

And I think the vast majority of gamers generally like seeing things faithfully recreated in remasters or sequels, with more options, as opposed to replacing options they liked before.

[u/romyori → u/tinylittlebabyjesus]

couldn’t have put it better myself

[u/PlasticSlide4094]

100% agree and noticed this immediately... I want the original back!

[u/Dreamin-]

Omg shut up

[u/insan3d]

they need to fix whatever is going on with the models in Forever. the undead male arms look TERRIBLE... I stare at classic undead model for years, its so hard to look at sometimes. the arms stick out at the elbows like crazy, and the hunch back is stronger. they need to tighten it up.

your screen shots for night elf...something is definitely off. have they said anything about it yet??

[u/romyori → u/insan3d]

they’ve said nothing, maybe because the subreddit downvotes anything like this into the ground.

noticing is a crime around here it seems

[u/Imperial10]

Dear Diary,

[u/romyori → u/Imperial10]

dear blizzard, here is beta feedback

[u/GuySmith → u/romyori]

Famously the best place to post it is reddit in a whiny tone.

[u/sp33dzer0 → u/romyori]

If you care that much about the HD vs SD models though there's literally a button to use SD models instead. I like the HD models more, but I'm not going to tell blizzard the SD models are bad.

[u/romyori → u/sp33dzer0]

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[u/sp33dzer0 → u/romyori]

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[u/romyori → u/sp33dzer0]

your comment had nothing to do with the post, you actually didn’t read it at all and just assumed it was HD vs SD

[u/Neat-Spirit-6611]

Surely there’s no way u can see this when you’re zoomed out with normal camera settings?

[u/romyori → u/Neat-Spirit-6611]

noticed it since day one in character select screen, noticed it in game many times, seen many posts from other people noticing it and still no change, so we need to keep complaining until it’s fixed

[u/Worst_Supervisor]

Homie, don't even give touch grass. Get a whole new identity and live with a completely new family in another country. This is weird.

[u/romyori → u/Worst_Supervisor]

how is it weird

[u/findorb]

They did something to female orcs too, they run so weird.

[u/Skore_Smogon]

REEEEEEEE!

[u/romyori → u/Skore_Smogon]

i agree

[u/Thoravious]

I get it, it might seem like something small but some of these changes look so uncanny. Especially after playing with these models/rigs for years. Tauren Male arms stick out super far and it irks me.

[u/LifeIsContrast]

Bro i agre unplayable 😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[u/Longjumping-Car-8367]

They're just simply not going to rebuild skeletons for the SD models. If this is game breaking for you, I think you're SOL.

[u/Ratax3s → u/Longjumping-Car-8367]

they should put all the effort making the hd models better, i bet like 20% max use SD models

[u/Derek114811]

Inb4 all of the comments implying you care too much and stfu.

It’s a beta, and this is a flaw. You pay money for this product. You should complain. Thanks for taking the time to point it out.

[u/Tripinfa]

this is nothing compared to the Female Orc model profile. It's wildly different.

[u/Monorie02 → u/Tripinfa]

Let's unite

[u/tinylittlebabyjesus → u/Tripinfa]

Every female orc face is the same. Lol

It's also hard to see their lower canines.

[u/romyori → u/Tripinfa]

i would love to see more posts about both orc and night elf. we are not complaining enough if they’re still not fixed

[u/InvestmentGerman]

Humans too.

[u/ziboo7890]

Just be glad they didn't go with Retail running. Nelves look HORRIBLE skipping along in retail. Awful animation. I can live with the slimmer build compromise, glad they kept Classic running.

[u/throwawayfx212232]

If youre going to do these screenshot comparisons, can you atleast crop them consistently instead of merging two screenshots that are totally different sizes and zooms from the subject?

[u/romyori → u/throwawayfx212232]

with the female model, that is the same size in the game. i wanted to show how the camera changed in character select to make her look weird and smaller, but you’re right i should’ve scaled the forever version up a bit to match.

in the male model example, that’s actually the same angle and zoom. i compared the eyes to show they overlay perfectly, but the arms differ so much between models. that’s not an angle or zoom thing, that’s just the model

[u/anthropics]

this is an atrocity. not touching the game until they fix this or make the HD models usable for more than a couple of races.

[u/FieldSuccessful3358]

use hd then

[u/Mysterious_Bass5724 → u/FieldSuccessful3358]

The HD self female models lose all of the charm for me, they are really jarring personally, and I like the Nelf Male HD models and plenty of other HD models but Nelf Females and Human Males look really off to me.

[u/FieldSuccessful3358 → u/Mysterious_Bass5724]

that’s fair. i like some and don’t like others so i’ll swap depending on who im playing

[u/CaseMaleficent8205 → u/FieldSuccessful3358]

A noticeable yet minor SD problem VS puffy faced HD blobs that are allergic to looking even slightly decent

[u/Professional_Day8274]

Get a job/life bro. You are writing a book about knight elves female ponytail..

Maybe try adult websites to satisfy your fetiches ..

[u/willtheywonttheyo → u/Professional_Day8274]

There’s truth to the post - models are funky in a lot of places

[u/romyori → u/Professional_Day8274]

i’m sorry everyday tasks are so difficult for you that you can’t comprehend having the energy to do anything with your day after spending 20 minutes to make a reddit post

[u/Professional_Day8274 → u/romyori]

You are writing a book about about the pony tail of a female Elve in a video game… people like you should not be allowed near school ..

[u/Saalle88]

Christ....

[u/Spike18]

I think they should make the classic models more true to the OG, but tbh I prefer NE HD models anyway.

[u/Capnemug]

Just put a helmet on

[u/milkasaurs]

Game has much bigger problems than character models looking off.

[u/havok7]

These posts are insufferable as someone who is trying to stay excited for Forever. They seriously bog down this sub 

[u/romyori → u/havok7]

this actually explains so much why people don't like anyone having an opinion on here, everyone just wants to see wholesome content glazing the game

[u/BlueCat9922 → u/romyori]

No it's because people keep nit picking inane bullshit.

[u/romyori → u/BlueCat9922]

you assume it's inane because it's not important to you, but it's important to some people

[u/Rubzje]

Why are people hating on him for giving feedback? Even if it seems minor. It's still good to document.

[u/koleiki → u/Rubzje]

Because he doesnt know how to communicate, his delivery is bad, and people here are already fatigued by drawn out discussions on larger topics. So, when somebody with an attitude comes in about something asinine, they rightfully get shit on.

[u/romyori → u/Rubzje]

echo chamber

[u/whoxcaresxixdont]

They gotta make skyborne the prettiest now so youll buy em

[u/xGreir]

With every race mostly on their SD models, it’s horrible, and I hope they ditch all this, and take a different direction before release.

[u/EdelSheep → u/xGreir]

they're not gonna redo the skeletons for sd models, this is the best its gonna get

[u/romyori → u/xGreir]

put me in the blizzard office i’ll fix this in 2 hours

[u/facktsz → u/romyori]

This actually made me laugh out loud.

[u/xGreir → u/romyori]

Hired 👩‍⚖️

[u/PlentyBeing4777]

This is satire or mental illness.

[u/EffectiveSwimming136]

Oh god you chuds are actually doing Phrenology now.

[u/Robin_Coffins]

Why are you looking so hard instead of just playing? How often do you turn the camera, zoom in and just stare? Get help

[u/romyori → u/Robin_Coffins]

guy says i need to get help for looking at my character LOL

[u/Agreeable-Guava-9009]

Classic skins on Retail skeleton. Tsk tsk.

It should have been Classic skeleton with graphical upscaling. We're talking all textures, clothing, armor and weapons!

[u/Monorie02]

I made the same post I got downvoted xD. If people don't see it or they don't care, they want you to stfu

[u/koleiki → u/Monorie02]

Unfortunately, I think you've fallen victim of "the consensus"

[u/romyori → u/Monorie02]

this sub is so cringe bro

[u/nocomments66 → u/romyori]

You are caps lock posting and responding to every comment about a 3% slope change on some shoulders dog.

This is like a top 10 cringe post for the beta, even considering all the tournament shit. Take a breath.

[u/romyori → u/nocomments66]

you are part of the herd too man, you don't have to be ashamed to have an opinion

[u/Least-Sense-6468]

"Soy"

[u/KappuccinoBoi]

[u/ExpressionExisting53]

Ye they butchered them but I’d say it’s a move on angle. Playing something new for me