Unintended outcomes of the Dungeon XP Nerf

[u/Deathtonic]

1. Monster Skip Runs [ More than just end game dungeons ]

2. Hard Reserving of low level gear [ Not just Cruel Barb ]

3. Less Tank and Healers leveling [ You see them say it every day on reddit since the nerf ]

4. Tanks and Healers charging for their services for low level dungeons [ Not just end game ]

5. Less dungeons begin ran [ Meaning harder to find groups ]

6. Less social interactions [ Dungeons were the group activity, questing is primarily solo ]

7. Some dungeons being skipped entirely [ Alliance have no reason to run Shadow Fang Keep since there are no quests and no mob XP ]

There are more issues than just these, I normally just run a dungeon 3-5 times now trying to convince people to do that will be drastically harder.

why would cloth users help me do Scarlett Monetary Armory?

Will people just Skip SM Cath because you have to clear all mobs?

We have never had to ask these questions before and this is why people are so passionate about it, we are supposed to be playing this version Forever.

Just make Boosting a lifetime bannable offense.

[u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

Another outcome that i think we will see is 5 man stacks farming hyper spawns instead.

So you can potentially end up with certain quests being harder to complete because all the quest mobs are being tagged and bagged by an xp farming group.

Its a bit hypothetical yes, but considering how most people are drawn towards the path of least resistance, i think its a real possibility.

I also saw stealth runs in the beta, so i believe this will continue to be a thing as well when the game gets released.

[u/Upper_Award_6482 → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

This is what we call the circle of life. People farming hyper spawns, other people getting layer-locked trying to find a layer where people aren't there. Then Blizz will be like damn if only we had instanced content that enticed people to do them with decent XP to prevent this issue.

[u/Grayson_Poise → u/Upper_Award_6482]

"Oh no! The obvious consequences of our decisions! Who could have foreseen this?"

[u/Rhobodactylos → u/Grayson_Poise]

According to this subreddit this is all hocus pocus and they've NEVER seen a run like this on beta.

Meanwhile we're going to have loads of fun tagging mobs in a cave with an autoclicker, just as the developers intended.

[u/Arkyja → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

People think well wailing caverns requires at least two runs to finish the quest so it's still worth doing twice. No it isn't, the quests can be completed outside. Even if i'm in a full group, why would i go inside for like 45min when i can just kill the SAME mobs outside and get way more xp? Especially with the hyper spawning going on.

[u/fuax19 → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

There's already guides and location maps for this method being circulated on forums. Funny thing is normal players will have no recourse when an entire zone is camped because instanced content (dungeons) gives no XP past 1 run.

[u/Audiobro → u/fuax19]

I’m interested, hook me up

[u/PayYourEditors → u/fuax19]

Link them

[u/WeightVegetable106 → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

Are hyperspawns really that good?

[u/krock2k → u/WeightVegetable106]

IIRC that's the main method for a lot of 60 world/server firsts

[u/WeightVegetable106 → u/krock2k]

Not really, its mage grinding and from what i can tell most of his spots arent really hyperspawns

[u/AFireInAsa → u/WeightVegetable106]

Mage grinding in Forever was giganerfed. From the little research I did, the fastest 5 man groups are nearly 50% faster than the best solo mages grinding to level 30 (12.5hrs compared to 18.5).

[u/PayYourEditors → u/WeightVegetable106]

This.
Also they aren't hard-grinding anymore except for super specific brackets.

[u/PayYourEditors → u/krock2k]

Literally isn't the main method for any current speedrunner out there.
Questing is like the overwhelming amount of time spend, even Mages combine AoE grind with questing routes now.

[u/landyc → u/WeightVegetable106]

Some quest related mobs insta respawn yeah

[u/PayYourEditors → u/landyc]

There are literally none that are worth farming in a 5 stack

[u/landyc → u/PayYourEditors]

Who said something about a 5 stack lol I can solo tag those mobs and get loads of exp that way

[u/WeightVegetable106 → u/landyc]

I doubt that would be better than decent questing, i might be wrong tho

[u/Betaateb → u/WeightVegetable106]

You are wrong but not always, there are sections where questing wins when you have a big hub of quests all in one area. But the fastest way to level through Azshara, for example, is definitely to just farm the Satyrs instead of running back and forth through the huge zone with only a couple quests in each area.

Larger zones with spread out quests grinding wins pretty easily. More compact zones with compact questing hubs questing can win.

[u/Vivid_Succotash_6298 → u/WeightVegetable106]

From what i have seen, its in caves and similar areas mostly, the spawn rates can get kinda crazy, due to limited amount of spawns versus players in the area.

My first death on the beta was incidentally due to hyper spawns inside a cave.

[u/Winterough → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

Yes young shaman pls go into this cave to get essential totem and beware it spawns mobs faster than any other place on Azeroth!

[u/WeightVegetable106 → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

I mean, yeah, but does grinding them in 5man can really give better xp than questing?

[u/Vivid_Succotash_6298 → u/WeightVegetable106]

Someone did the math on it, and posted it somewhere in r/classicwow, but now i cant find the friggin post.

But, it depends a lot on different factors, how good the xp group share is, how fast you can kill, how many mobs spawn, and how much competition you have.
If you have strong classes with low upkeep its probably better to run with fewer than 5.

[u/Aleious → u/WeightVegetable106]

They already were the best way to speedlevel, few people did them because dungeons were fun and good enough.

[u/PayYourEditors → u/Aleious]

They literally weren't.

[u/Aleious → u/PayYourEditors]

Kk

[u/UncommitedOtter → u/PayYourEditors]

This is factually not true. TBC and Wrath speed leveling was done in hyperspawn areas.

[u/UncommitedOtter → u/WeightVegetable106]

Always have been.

[u/Mapag → u/WeightVegetable106]

Yes its extremely good! Its even better if you have a high lvl farming for you while you are afk!

[u/WeightVegetable106 → u/Mapag]

You dont mean the pet strat, do you?

[u/Mosaic78 → u/WeightVegetable106]

Incredibly good.

[u/Street-Bee7215 → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

I think they banned those in retail yes? If we start seeing them I would anticipate they are banned as well in forever.

I'm fine if ppl wanna do that and it doesn't affect other players ability to finish quests etc. But it often makes it super difficult for them.

[u/Nessarra → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

Questing in general is going to see the downsides of people being forced out of dungeons.

[u/chinpotenkai → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

instead.

No instead, people were already doing this anyway lol

[u/Vivid_Succotash_6298 → u/chinpotenkai]

In the beta, or in general?

[u/PayYourEditors → u/Vivid_Succotash_6298]

You won't 5-stack for hyperspawns lol.

1-2, maybe 3 for extreme outliers, but you just hardcore waste xp if you go above that.

[u/munkin → u/PayYourEditors]

Ah so youve not tried it yet you out here posting. Cute.