r/classicwow • u/No_Delivery_3160 • 6d ago
Forever Beta Feedback Entire Alliance Raid On Orgrimmar Completely Phases Away as they Exit Orgrimmar Gates
Doesn't this go against the core pillar of "Protect and nurture social experiences"?
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u/NicoNB 6d ago
jesus just let us play on layer 1, 2, 3 etc. for the whole continent, and not per zone.
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u/Far-Fennel-3032 6d ago
IKR, just let people pick layers like servers and open and close more as needed.
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u/Kluian2005 6d ago
I think someone explained it because it lets them have like 1000 layers of Org but 10 layers of Azshara instead of requireng 1000 layers of both.
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u/OstrichPaladin 6d ago
Maybe a hot take but I don't care. Let the cities be crowded or let the open world be a little more sparse. Anything but the way layering works now. It's awful
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u/i_wear_green_pants 5d ago
It's all about not needing computing power for zones that have very few people. Remember every time you ask "why?" from huge company, the answer is always money.
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u/cunasmoker69420 6d ago
This, IDK why people are making excuses for the mutli-billion dollar conglomerate Activision-Blizzard
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u/txoa 6d ago
Exactly. For anyone who doesn't understand this... On what will be the most mega of mega servers yet tried, keeping capital cities manageable and playable would need a huge amount of layers. Which would then make each layer out in the world extremely empty. Clearly some sort of solution in between continent level layering and zone level sharding is called for.
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u/remakeprox 6d ago edited 6d ago
Would something like this be possible?
Look, I'm not a dev. I have 0 clue of how any of this system/server infrastructure works. But I'm thinking if they have this crazy sharding, phasing, layering system in place, then surely something like this shouldn't be impossible?
- 10 Layers, continent/world wide all with a cap of ~4k players (Pulling these numbers out of my ass, but still)
- People aren't forced out of their current layer when crossing zones, or well, ever. They get to choose which layer they're in like RS worlds
- Only capital cities have a sharding system in place to split up the population of 1 layer into more sub-layers, so you're on layer 1: shard 10. Leaving the capital city would put you back in Layer 1, no sublayer/shard, across the entire continent
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u/BestFriend_Sword 6d ago
My understanding is it's not that there are 10 layers in a zone, but that it actively spins up and shuts down additional layers based on players present. So when a massive horde of players travel into a normally low pop zone it needs to create new layers to accommodate. Maybe there's a tech that allows them to normalize the matching up of zone layers, but that seems to be the biggest issue at the moment.
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u/KingKC612 6d ago
How? Normal mega servers had a lot of people in cities and the rest of the players split between all the zones and instances.
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u/No_Delivery_3160 6d ago
if they HAVE to keep border based sharding in the game, it would be much less noticable if the layering point wasn't at such a busy spot such as the gates of Org. and instead further away. This would also help with increased players for dueling outside org.
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u/RTribesman 6d ago
Orgrimmar or any other major city is not the problem, this is actually just a really good example. The whole layering thing is way out of control and ruins basic immersion and in some cases, like this good example, can break gameplay. Im certain they can change parameters for layering and make this way more agreeable to the end user, but will they spend time on that? Remains to be seen
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u/WardosBox 6d ago
I can see this beeing endlessly abused in open pvp once everyone knows where the borders are
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u/uhnstoppable 6d ago edited 6d ago
It already was. 2 weeks ago at level 20 on beta, I saw dozens of dudes fighting on the Thandol Span between Arathi and Wetlands. When they would get low HP, they would just jump back to the other side.
Last week at level 30, horde were abusing the same function at the Great Lift between 1k Needles and Barrens to safely catch Alliance and Mind control them back across the shard-border and hurl them off the ledge.
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u/jug6ernaut 6d ago
This is bad but what makes it even worse is that it doesn’t even take abuse. I ran into the one at 1000 needles just playing the game and the other faction kept phasing in and out between zones. It’s incredible this was ever even considered an option.
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u/Refuse_Different 6d ago
Yeh i layered mid bridge after dying to them twice. I could see them with tracking up and poof i was gone, it was a bit annoying.
I dont mind getting ganked and trying to take the weakest one out, or the thrill of getting by gank squads.
I know its annoying for others but how do you even team up to have a battle like the old TM/southshore battles if you keep layering.
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u/Vento_of_the_Front 6d ago
Now if only game knew if character was in combat and for its duration(plus 1 minute after leaving combat) placed a hidden debuff that prevented ANY layering.
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u/RubberDomeEnthusiast 6d ago
It's already ruining it.
I was forced onto a new layer FIVE times the other day while PVPing in Hillsbrad. Every time onto a dead layer.
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u/InZomnia365 6d ago
They already are aware of this and said they are working on it. I think it can be alleviated, but I am not sure it can be fixed.
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u/tehbantho 6d ago
Blizzard said these exact words in the PvP video they released not even an hour ago.
They also said it is a process to fix this. And that they are actively working on it. It is the purpose of the beta, after all.
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u/mikelo22 6d ago
A beta set to end in <1 week for a game slated to release in 3 weeks? They're suddenly going to magically fix this in that short span of time? Beta needs to be a lot longer to fix fundamental issues like this.
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u/normie_girl 5d ago
To be honest, the game is way under-cooked. I can't even imagine the issues we're going to be seeing from levels 30-60, which is COMPLETELTY untested at this point.
I'm having so much lag every day, and wonky/weird things happening all the time.
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u/maxifer 5d ago
I just had an issue with talents that required 15 points in the first two to unlock the third row, but then I could remove some points from one of the talents, but not the other to get me back to the 15. Was super weird.
Resetting talents at trainer fixed it, but yeah, constantly weird stuff going on this close to launch.
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u/Broad-Shallot-410 6d ago
Did they? In the clip posted on this subreddit they only vaguely mention it, and only mention it in relation to PvP battles?
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u/gonzo5970 6d ago
This is already well known, but the layering system is way to easy to abuse, and this is without intending to abuse it.
What if the horde attempts a counterattack? The raid just has to walk outside the gates, res/heal/buff up again and then run back in with full hp.
Heres another example that I personally did. I get the notification that I'm going to layer. I have a quest to take out a quest mob that has several adds surrounding it. Instead of just trying to slowly take the out the adds and using crowd control tactically, I just burst down the quest mob and phase into a new layer to get out of combat.
Or, someone gets phased right as they are trying to loot a quest item or a herb/ore. That makes the item completely inaccessible for anyone else in that layer, because the person who was looting it technically hasn't finished looting it. Thus, putting the thing (quest item, mining node, herb node) in a indefinite unlootable state.
The layer system was a good idea, but its design is flawed as it allows for too many ways to break the game in unintended ways.
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u/Howsetheraven 6d ago
Oh my god, is that why the quest items are completely fucked sometimes? This layering problem is so deep and I don't think they're even going to attempt to change it.
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u/Randombahn123 5d ago
Tbf, quest items or nodes being tapped has been an issue for the past 20 years. But it feel a tad less rare in this beta yes.
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u/KingKC612 6d ago
You shouldn't be able to phase in combat at all. It should do it right after you leave combat.
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u/Litlle_Freddy 6d ago
Yeah , the new update fixed that. You can't layer in combat anymore. Good fix
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u/FergieOnDrugs 5d ago
good fix, but what happens in the video isnt combat layering, its the zone border at the gate. thats the one they need to move
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u/skettiguy 5d ago
no, it should keep you longer. rogues can then vanish into, essentially, a parallel universe
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u/AppleMelon95 6d ago
I can't wait to have someone in trade chat telling people that they are holding some kind of event outside cities and then you can't find anyone outside the city because they are on shard 208 and you're on shard 51
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u/hwcrow 6d ago
This is by far the biggest problem with WoWF. Would easily choose to switch to be partitioned into a thousand different servers but have none of this phasing/sharding. This is all antithetical to the entire point of spending time in a shared online world.
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u/snukb 6d ago
I think they're just (perhaps rightfully) afraid of having ghost servers once the hype dies down and the population stabilizes down to just the actual long time players. Which is a valid concern. But this isn't the answer.
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u/imaUPSdriver 6d ago
The answer has already been implemented. Last names. Merge dead servers and majority of players can keep their names
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u/SkeptioningQuestic 6d ago
It's not a majority, it's everyone. The names are region wide cross faction, no one would ever lose their name.
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u/Ncorrex 6d ago
Then scale them as needed. Merge and rip them once, one phasing per day maybe, but not this
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u/FunkyXive 6d ago
so merge the fucking servers as they die out, it's not that fucking hard.
and before anyone starts yapping about naming conflicts, it really isn't very difficult to enforce unique names across servers.
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u/bobtheblob6 6d ago
They should just do OSRS style servers, and let you choose what server/population level you want when you log in. Essentially instead of a single mega server, let people choose which persistent world layer they want to play in. They could spin them up or down as active player count rises or falls just like they did for layers
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u/ThreeShotYa 6d ago
It’s easy they can just have worlds with player caps and if you want to join it you need to wait in a Q it would also make questing easier and only allow someone to change worlds at a main city to stop players for
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u/esuvii 6d ago
I've long hoped they would do Runescape style servers, where your characters exist region-wide and you just choose which one you login to. That way you could choose a server with your friends on, or a low pop one while you farm herbs, or a high pop one to do world PVP. Let dungeons and AH be region-wide, but open world just be the server you chose on login.
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u/slashbye 6d ago
I will never understand, how Blizz can fk something like this up with 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS THE LARGEST MMO EVER
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u/Benkenobix 6d ago
20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE
Nobody there has 20 years of experience. I guarantee like 90% of the people working on Forever or WoW in general just got in touch with WoW. They had to cause it's their job now. It's paycheck devs. They work on the game because that's what they're being paid for.
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u/NameVote 6d ago
Every dev who isn’t a solo indie auteur is a ‘paycheck dev’ lmao. Is the implication that real devs would be working at this massive company for pure love of the game?
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u/rta3425 6d ago
I think the implication is the difference between a developer who gets a job at Blizz because that's where he landed a job, and a developer who chooses to work at Blizzard because she has a passion for wow/games/mmos/etc
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u/Rockeye4510 5d ago
I'm a developer that has a passion for blizzard games but I get paid more to work on ERP software.
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u/Magikazamz 6d ago
80% of what people claim is iconic to WoW, especially vanilla stuff, is the dev team fking up.
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u/Knight-ErrantCowboy 6d ago
Sharding is a blight on the game. I don't have a better idea but I know this is not it. This absolutely kills the inclusive world they want. They have got to change this. Either provide layers, or expand the zones where sharding doesn't happen, idk. This is just ridiculous.
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u/sporkparty 6d ago
The better idea is have realms but let people transfer between them freely like osrs
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u/ChaseYoungHTTR 6d ago
Why don’t they just use the OSRS multiple worlds model, this is terrible
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u/TheContrariant 6d ago
Can you describe in a few words? I'm not familiar. What is their model?
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u/No_Anxiety_454 6d ago
When you go to login, or at anytime while playing, you just select which server you want to hop to. If you're out of combat it will quickly log you out and back in on the other server. Basically, if layering had a drop down menu. Each one has a max capacity of 2000, and certain ones have tags like "Forestry" so you know all the people doing woodcutting will mass on that server. In this scenario, everyone could agree to switch to layer "42 - World PVP" or something.
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u/Gen0bee 6d ago
Seriously. I don't know why they refuse to change awful systems like this.
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u/delta45678 5d ago
This has been blizzards mo since the beginning of time. They have the best ideas, no one else knows shit.
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u/bobtheblob6 6d ago
Oh hey I just said this same thing lol, it might work! Instead of having layers that people swap between while playing, just let people choose which layer they want to play in when they log in. They could spin them up or down based on active player count to avoid empty worlds
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u/ArgentumWulf 6d ago
The issue is not the concept of layers, the issue is that the layers do not appear to be working as intended. This, and several other videos I have seen of the beta, look like sharding, not layering.
Layer = A copy of the whole continent/instance. You will see the same people again and again, because people stay on that layer with you across zones.
Shards = Lots of independent copies of each area. People disappear at area boundaries as they go onto different shards.
What we see in this video clearly is the latter.
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u/macguini 6d ago
This is an issue in retail too. I've seen mining nodes and other players vanish as I approach them. A few mining nodes disappeared while mining them. This has been a known issue for a few expansion packs...Seems like it's even worse on Forever.
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u/solventlessherbalist 6d ago
Yea the sharding is bullshit, idk how they thought that was a good idea as opposed to layering especially when their whole thing is “you’ll see familiar players”.
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u/youfoundKim 6d ago
We've gone full circle. We had the same concerns when they announced Classic and their solution was layers. Nostalrius briefly experimented with layers before getting shut down. I wonder why they are moving away from layers in favour of this solution?
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u/ChucklingDuckling 6d ago
It's fucking bullshit, and I'm really exhausted of all the asses who defend this bad game design.
You don't have to protect Blizzard from criticism. The corporation does not care about you
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u/MrMimeWasAshsDad 6d ago
People just parrot this line about servers being a fundamental limitation and bad.
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u/shawesome420 6d ago
Most posts defending this are bots. Just look at the accounts.
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u/ItzFeufo 5d ago
Nah, most posts defending them are die hard cultists who would buy a brown bag full of dog poop as long as it has the Blizzard logo on it and costs over 100 bucks
Because they're ""special""
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u/AfterShave997 6d ago
Layering is the worse fucking thing about any of the versions of classic
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u/LouisRitter 6d ago
Won't there be a huge loss of community if it's not the same group of people day in and day out? Like you'll never regularly be hanging out with the same strangers in town unless you buddy up and all that.
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u/AfterShave997 6d ago
That's what I'm saying, megaservers with dozens of layers absolutely destroys immersion and community
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u/solventlessherbalist 6d ago
Yeah layering and sharding are different, sharding is bullshit. Sharding is based on the zone, not the entire world/continent like layering is.
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u/Automatic_Loss_2837 6d ago
Its already horrible on PVE servers but PVP and hardcore will be even worse.
As Excited I am for nov 4th I cant get this layering/sharding fiasco out of my head.
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u/Safe_Reading6267 6d ago
World PVP is going to suck with sharding, no doubt about that.
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u/youfoundKim 6d ago
pvp will be reduced to standing at a zone boundary and killing anyone who phases in lmao
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u/shawesome420 6d ago
This is what would make me stop playing. This is the furthest thing from the original wow. Its game breaking bad. Holy shit....
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u/veghead1616 6d ago
We need to find a way to exploit this so blizzard will actually fix it
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u/theSpivster 6d ago
Looks easy. 1. Find the edge of the layer. 2. Take one step in and pew pew melt someone. 3. Step back into the ether. 4. Rinse. 5. Repeat.
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u/analogjuicebox 6d ago
I just watched the Podcast where they talked about how much they care about open world PvP. How is that coming along for us?
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u/solarflare4646 6d ago
Talk about immersion breaking. No chance for vengeance when the attackers can just dissappear into the warp.
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u/KanedaSyndrome 6d ago
This sharding shit is fucking stupid - sorry blizz, I know you follow reddit discourse. You can't have this sharding stuff hold back a smash hit like Forever WoW - this is the biggest issue right now - servers need cohesion across zones and continents - we need realms-lite via layering of the entire world on a weekly basis
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u/FlySkyHigh777 6d ago
Phasing is just too goddamn aggressive. I so rarely see anyone when I'm running around, the cities feel empty, even on a 'mega-server'.
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u/Valharja 6d ago
What cities do you hang out in Darnassus? UC, Thubder Bluff and Ogrimmar are all stacked eith people 24/7 for me
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u/gubigubi 6d ago
If World of Warcraft released as an unknown franchise without 3 decades worth of fans behind it in 2026 like this, The game and company would fold in a month.
This is so insanely unacceptable lol
Why do we even pretend that this wouldn't be anything other than a 45% review obliterated game on steam if this released in 2026 as a new IP.
Blizzard gets away with so much actual garbage its insane.
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u/Benkenobix 6d ago
I've been saying this about retail for years. The IP and the name is what saves them.
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u/dudushat 6d ago
If World of Warcraft released as an unknown franchise without 3 decades worth of fans behind it in 2026 like this, The game and company would fold in a month.
Comments like these make me wonder if people have ever played another MMO before.
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u/edwardsamson 6d ago
A couple years ago I got sick of this BS from Blizz and swore off giving them any more of my money. And yet Forever brought me back and I even pre-ordered. And now shit like this is making me remember exactly why I didn't want them getting any more of my money.
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u/Dorjan420 6d ago
Hahhahaah, "laughs knowing how it launched in 2004" You where not there where you.it was a mess but it was a beutiful mess back then too. This has been the only ray of sunshine out of blizzard in a long time. There are problems sure but get this they are responding and listening to their fans for the first time in ages too. Its fine to critique what you don't like but you know leave some room for hope too. Its not all rainbows and unicorns but its definitely not just a bunch of shit either.
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u/gubigubi 6d ago
Yeah theres a lot of great things going on in WoW Forever.
But this layering situation is horrifically bad. Layering has always been bad this isn't a new thing for WoW Forever though.
But If this is how WoW technologically functioned back in 2004 I would have kept playing runescape and guildwars over it.
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u/Salathovedet 6d ago
Hey, they made Forver to play with your friends open world
Or something like that
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u/invisusira 6d ago
layers/sharding/phasing are a big reason why i have zero interest in wow forever. it's been an awful system in every impementation since they started using it.
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u/kittyonkeyboards 6d ago
Would it really be that bad to make the zones right next to faction cities share a shard with the city? There has to be a better way to handle this.
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u/crispy-wings 6d ago
Small indie company with potato server technology charging millions of dollars a month subscription fees.
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u/AstroFlippy 6d ago
LaYeRiNg Is FiNe!!!!111
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u/ElPixelSoldado 6d ago
Sir, this is sharding, not layering. One is worse than the other.
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u/TheFonz2244 6d ago
Well that's a problem to say the least. What are the odds it gets fixed in less than 3 weeks..
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u/PoGD1337 6d ago
2026 year. Advanced MMO titan cant make, or dont wanna spend money, on better server side solution and killing game by it.
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u/NN11ght 6d ago edited 6d ago
People really out here defending layers like we're not capable of having a single layer in this day and age.
Layers were acceptable back when there really wasn't any other choice but those excuses don't work anymore. Technology and server hosting has come a long way
Edit: All I'm trying to say is players shouldn't be seeing each other phase in and out of existence, especially mid combat. I don't care about the words. Shards, layers , potato, tomato. The technology has come far enough that this shouldn't still be a thing
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u/wOlfLisK 6d ago
The issue is that layers can only deal with a certain number of players before performance starts to degrade. You could have each layer be done on a continent level basis but then you'll run into issues where the world feels empty because 80% of the layer is taken up by people AFKing in Stormwind and another 10% are bots mining in Westfall. Zone based layers mean that even if 80% of the total population are in Stormwind, the rest of the world isn't spread out over 1000 layers, they're compressed into however many the zone needs. You end up with a much more vibrant world. It also means they can push the number of people in city layers because they know there isn't any combat going on so a bit of extra lag is a decent trade for making the city feel even more active than the rest of the game.
This is definitely an unfortunate side effect that I hope Blizzard comes up with a solution for it but to be honest, if I get a choice between an enemy raid disappearing when it leaves a major city and the world feeling empty, I'm picking the former.
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u/Fluid_Tap_250 6d ago
Look at this networking infrastructure expert.
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u/GenericFatGuy 6d ago
You don't need to be a networking infrastructure expert to know that a single layer would be ass for tagging mobs, even if it did work on a technical level.
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u/runitzerotimes 6d ago
It does not work on a technical level lol
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u/kookyabird 6d ago
Hey now, EVE Online is famously a single instance MMORPG, capable of handling absolutely massive fleet battles with thousan-*covers microphone* What's that? ... What the hell is "time dilation"? ... Oh shit, really? Well then... *uncovers microphone* Uh, what was I saying?
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u/NocturnalDabber 6d ago
This is the type of stuff that will have players drop like flies eventually. They need to fix this
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u/Single_Radish_8406 6d ago
Maybe this idea wouldn't work but, if you can do layering can't you just do channels? Like Maple story you can play on a server but switch to a channel that has a lot going on or FF with data center hopping between worlds? I mean that would be an easy fix unless it's so fucking insanely coded that you can't do it or more likely future $$$ to be made down the line
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u/3DPrintLad 6d ago
Layer issues aside, 40 man raiding Org at level 30 is pretty sweet. Level 60 mass PvP is going to be insane if they can fix some of that.
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u/Jameswoody37 6d ago
No reason to go PVP server tbh.
Also delayed patch for a tourny nobody cares about is hilarious if true. Wont be tuning in now due to principle.
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u/FalconGK81 6d ago
If they look at this and don't immediately tear it down and start over, their "pillars" are a fucking joke.
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u/AsyncAnalog 6d ago
Unacceptable in 2026 honestly.
I’m not generally on board for most of the negative feedback but this is ridiculous and should go against the core pillars of the classic wow design philosophy. They have got to fix this. If not now, very quickly
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u/Synchrotr0n 6d ago
But just think of how much money Blizzard saves on employees payrolls when they don't have to worry about merging server merges in the future!
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u/Damn_Gordon 6d ago
Man, vanilla was so cool with all the different realms and no layering. Megaservers can be cool, but this sucks balls
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u/Solograve 6d ago
Why don’t they do it like RuneScape worlds? I’m not an expert or anything but I feel like that’s a good way to go about this?
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u/IGargleGarlic 6d ago
This is the only idea for a solution I've heard that is even remotely reasonable
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u/Cactusblah 6d ago
2024 Classic Anniversary layering was the best version of layering so far. If they have to go with layering because they want mega servers, then that's the best version to go with. Individual zone sharding is unacceptable.
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u/quinntheeeskimo 6d ago
Had some great 20v20 world pvp at tarren mill yesterday. Priest invites me, “oh great, pocket healer!” Joins and drops within 10 seconds and layed out. Ruined the most fun experience I’ve had thus far in beta.
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u/JuniorDoughnut3056 6d ago
Jfc, just bring back servers already. If people have to change their name because of server merges later down the road, so be it. Thats a small price to pay to not have to put up with this absurdity
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u/rcanhestro 6d ago
If people have to change their name because of server merges later down the road, so be it.
such an easy solution:
just make character names unique per region, instead of server.
if mergers are needed, it will be easy to do.
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u/Lars5621 6d ago edited 6d ago
What did they think was going to happen? This is how sharding works the cities are seperate shards because of population concentration.
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u/No_Delivery_3160 6d ago
Exactly. That is the issue here. Nothing about what happens in this video screams Open World MMORPG to me
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u/qenak 6d ago
Was unsure if I should play wow/PoE. But if this isn't resolved before launch, I am playing PoE instead.
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u/yojimbofog 6d ago
Don't worry they're on the case with "incremental" improvements that will "hopefully" get implemented around launch.
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u/Alexisky7 6d ago
Lol AION 2 came out a few days ago, and it does better with more people, allowing you to beat world bosses with over 100 people, now that is an mmo, without using layers btw.
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u/Dapaaads 6d ago
They better have this fixed by nov 4th or just bring back all the no. Social skipping stuff
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u/Exist911 6d ago edited 6d ago
They are working on it. ( They adressed this Problem in a dev podcast)
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u/AlternativeBit1083 6d ago
But remember! Dungeon grind with the same group of people is immersion breaking!!!!
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u/7StarSailor 6d ago
This is the result of always removing every little bit of friction.
Oh people had some friction with server selection? better shard everything on a single big server.
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u/SeaofCrags 6d ago edited 6d ago
Realms worked.
The real issue is that Blizz don't want to spend the effort or time in merging dead realms when populations do drop.
Same way they don't want to re-hire GMs to handle bots or in-game issues, opting for automation and AI review.
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u/rakkaus21 6d ago
You should have seen the barrens /durotar fight the other day with shobek and xaryu. They would just go to the other side of the river and layer so we couldn't fight then cross the river to come battle again. But when we chased them across the river we swapped to different layers than they did so you'd cross and find nobody there... Then cross back and suddenly there's a war again. the battle was so broken and actually made the experience pretty unenjoyable.
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u/Background_Place4016 6d ago
Seems like if you were recently engaged in pvp they could flag your character that states no phasing for 2 minutes. Similar to how eve online flags you after combat for a brief period of time. As a non coder this seems simple to add and solve the issue… go ahead and send me Starbucks for payment
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u/Better_Bumblebee_230 6d ago
can someone explain what is happening here? im a new player
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u/Carbonatedmelons 6d ago
A group of alliance played have just attacked the horde capital, as they leave the boundary of the city gates they're being put into different version of durotar.
This is called phasing, it's something that wow has been doing years to manage high player density zones like cities, or areas where a lot of players will be in the same area at the same time.
There are ways for players to jump between phases, for instance joining a party with a player in a different phase will usually pull you into that phase with them.
For the alliance players here, nothing happened, they just kept running. For the horde players in the city, the alliance phased out of existence, with no way to chase or find them.
I've never actively engaged in phase hopping, so I dont know if the alliance in this video are somehow abusing the system to get away, or is the game's normal phasing is just being hyper aggressive and not working as it should.
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u/Ok_Lemon9944 6d ago
When you enter a city, everyone is on the same "layer". You can see and interact with every person on the city layer. When you leave a city, the game will assign a new layer to you and you phase to that layer. Again, you can see and interact with every person on your layer.
The way it's currently coded is jank. Since there is only one mega-server per gameplay style, leaving a city through the front gates in a PvP setting is basically a get out of jail free card; the enemies can't follow you, and any guards you aggroed will simply cease to exist.
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u/Automatic_Loss_2837 6d ago
This is just painfull to watch. They need to make this a top priority.