Dev Workshop: Ammo Efficiency Changes & Riven Disposition Retirement

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Greetings Tenno!

Our recent introduction of Ammo Efficiency traits to Riven mods via Riven Splicers has made this stat more accessible to players, and led to much discussion internally on how the availability of infinite ammo builds affects Warframe’s game balance. We mentioned briefly in Devshort #119 that we were looking at Ammo Efficiency specifically, and we’re here to cash the checks we wrote. 

The conversation has led us with two key decisions, which you will see reflected in a hotfix later this week:

• Capping Ammo Efficiency
• Retiring the Riven Disposition System

There’s a lot to go over on both of these topics, so we’ll dive right in!

Arsenal Retuning Inbox
With the coming changes to Ammo Efficiency and Riven Dispositions, all players who log in after Thursday’s hotfix will receive the following (until December 31st 2026 at 11:59pm ET):

• 1 Built Forma + 100,000 Kuva

Players who have installed a Riven Splicer in a Riven Mod prior to Thursday’s hotfix will also receive the following in a separate inbox as a thank you for being an early adopter:

• 1 Riven Splicer + 100,000 Kuva

Ammo Efficiency Changes

Warframe is about the power fantasy, and infinite ammo is the epitome of that. Shooting endlessly into hordes of enemies can feel incredible, and we want players to be able to experience that — sometimes. The recent introduction of Riven Splicers has changed that “sometimes” for infinite ammo into a much more guaranteed thing, which has brought around this entire conversation. 

Our main concern with 100% Ammo Efficiency (a.k.a. infinite ammo) builds is the possibility for automated gameplay. We want infinite ammo to be a limited buff you experience occasionally in-mission, not a guaranteed part of your build. 

With that in mind, a hotfix is shipping later this week with the following changes:

• Ammo Efficiency is capped at 75%. 
  • For those unfamiliar with the Ammo Efficiency mechanic, this means only 1 in 4 shots will consume ammo. 
  • This applies to Ammo Efficiency increases from multiple sources — they will only increase the stat up to this cap. 
• Sources that intentionally gave 100% Ammo Efficiency (ex: Void Relic cracking buffs) have now been rephrased to indicate they give Infinite Ammo.
• There are other Mods, Arcanes, and Incarnon Evolutions that come with their own edge-cases, which we’ll explain in detail below. 

Arsenal Retuning Inbox
(This information was included at the top of the Dev Workshop, but we’re including these details in each section for those who skip ahead)

With these changes to Ammo Efficiency (and Riven Dispositions, see below), all players who log in after Thursday’s hotfix will receive the following:

• 1 Built Forma + 100,000 Kuva

Players who have installed a Riven Splicer in a Riven Mod prior to Thursday’s hotfix will also receive the following in a separate inbox as a thank you for being an early adopter:

• 1 Riven Splicer + 100,000 Kuva

Sources of Infinite Ammo
These mechanics remain unchanged, but their buff descriptions have been updated to specify that they give Infinite Ammo

• Void Relic Cracking Buffs
• Akmagnus Prime and Magnus Prime unique trait: Chamber Cascade
• Athodai (Prime) unique trait: Overdrive
• Dual Toxocyst unique trait: Frenzy
• Knell (Prime) unique trait: Death Knell
• Perigale (Prime) unique trait: Gale Force
• Vasto Incarnon evolution: Reaper’s Plenty

Changes to Sources of Ammo Efficiency

• Arcane Pistoleer
  • Was*:* On Pistol Weak Point Kill: 60% chance for +102% (+17% at Unranked) Ammo Efficiency for 12s
  • Now*:* On Pistol Weak Point Kill: 60% (10% at Unranked) Chance for Infinite Ammo for 12s
• Brain Storm Augment (Grakata)
  • Was: On Headshot: +100% (25% at Unranked) Ammo Efficiency for 0.5s (0.125s at Unranked)
  • Now: On Headshot: 40% (10% at Unranked) Chance for Infinite Ammo for 2s (0.5s at Unranked)
• Skull Shots Augment (Viper)
  • Was: On Headshot: 100% Ammo Efficiency (25% at Unranked) for 2.0s (0.5s at Unranked)
  • Now: On Headshot: 40% Chance for Infinite Ammo (10% chance at Unranked) for 2.0s (0.5s at Unranked)
• Incarnon Evolution “Enough for Everyone” (Bronco)
  • Was: +80% Ammo efficiency when 6 enemies are within 6m.
  • Now: +75% Ammo efficiency when 6 enemies are within 6m.
• Incarnon Evolution “Crimson Overture” (Dera and Boltor)
  • Was: On Kill: +20% Ammo Efficiency for 5 seconds. Stacks up to 4x.
  • Now: On Kill: +25% Ammo Efficiency for 5 seconds. Stacks up to 3x.
  • Note: the increase to Base Damage is unchanged.

Retiring the Riven Disposition System

Iceblade of Narin has brought with it a number of shake-ups to the Riven ecosystem - and we’re not done yet! Join us as we explain why and how we are retiring the Riven Disposition system.

Before going into details, a brief history on key points to help illuminate how we got here! 

• 2016: Rivens introduced. Weapons had their own Dispositions, which impacted the values of their Riven’s stats, based on power level and popularity. Lower Dispositions (0.5) resulted in lower stats, and vice versa for higher Dispositions (1.55). The goal of the Disposition mechanic was to increase the power of less popular weapons. 
• 2018: Disposition adjustments begin. Numbers increased and decreased quarterly, keeping up with usage behavior and power levels. 
• 2019: Individual Dispositions per weapon variant. Base weapons could now have stronger Rivens than Primes
• 2020: Brand new weapons start at 0.5 to avoid powerful new additions having their Dispositions later decreased.
• 2023: Incarnon Genesis system introduced. Disposition decreases are paused indefinitely.
• 2026: Riven Splicers and Trait locking. Players are able to lock Riven Traits and combine Traits to create yet-to-be seen stats on Rivens.  

Both Riven Dispositions numbers, and the system itself, have evolved to match the changing needs of our playerbase and game. However, these changes have always been at odds with a fundamental fact: Warframe players like big numbers. 

Reducing values and taking away power was never popular, and starting new weapons low made the system less exciting to engage with. Offering higher Dispositions on unpopular weapons was not enough to level the playing field, and instead of encouraging engagement in lesser weapons, we saw that investment was still focused on making powerful weapons more powerful. Incarnons were a more successful attempt at breathing life into older outdated weapons, and the overlapping of these systems only multiplied their power further.

Therefore, we believe (like many of you, based on feedback) that the system has run its course, and simplification would help reduce complexity. Therefore!

The Plan Going Forward:
Rivens no longer have varying Dispositions, meaning all Rivens share the same range for stat values (the equivalent to a Disposition of 1.2).

Rivens have pre-set ranges for each stat roll generated, and Disposition is applied as a multiplier to each stat. In practical terms, this means ALL Rivens will be slightly above the current average in terms of power. 

Since this has a significant impact on Rivens**, we are disabling the ability to trade Rivens until this change goes out in a hotfix on Thursday.** We want players to be able to make informed trading decisions, and there is no way to guarantee all players will know about the coming changes to their Riven within this ~48 hour window. Attempting to trade Rivens during this window will result in a "Failed to make offer" message until we are able to re-establish trading. 

This will shake things up in a few ways!

• Some Rivens for popular weapons will be increased significantly.
  • Examples: 
    • Nataruk: 0.65->1.2
    • Grimoire: 0.6->1.2
• Some Rivens for “average” weapons will be increased slightly.
  • Examples: 
    • Gotva Prime: 0.85->1.2
    • Staticor: 0.9->1.2
• Some Rivens for popular weapons will be reduced slightly. 
  • This only really applies to certain standout Incarnons.
  • Examples:
    • Burston Prime: 1.35->1.2
    • Dual Ichor: 1.25->1.2
• Some Rivens for unpopular weapons will be reduced slightly. 
  • This is not ideal, but accessible low-powered weapons usually exist as a stepping stone for new players on their journey through the Mastery system. And as discussed above, there is no telling when a low MR weapon will get the glow-up of a lifetime through new upgrades and variants! 
  • Examples:
    • Harpak: 1.55->1.2
    • Heat Sword: 1.45->1.2

What is the desired outcome of this change?

• Brand new weapons will have powerful Rivens available on day one
• All Rivens are guaranteed to offer a noticeable boost, including those for your favorite powerful weapons
• No more constant adjustments — your Rivens will not change unless you change them through rerolling
• All weapons get equal treatment, giving us more control when balancing old and new weapons
• Simplified system by removing Disposition as a factor when comparing and evaluating Rivens

Why now?

• With the addition of various Riven rerolling quality improvements, the price of many Rivens has been “reset” somewhat recently. The sooner we make this change, the less of an impact it will hopefully have on the Riven ecosystem.

Arsenal Retuning Inbox
(This information was included at the top of the Dev Workshop, but we’re including these details in each section for those who skip ahead)

With these changes to Riven Disposition (and Ammo Efficiency, see above), all players who log in after Thursday’s hotfix will receive the following:

• 1 Built Forma + 100,000 Kuva

Players who have installed a Riven Splicer in a Riven Mod prior to Thursday’s hotfix will also receive the following in a separate inbox as a thank you for being an early adopter:

• 1 Riven Splicer + 100,000 Kuva

Here is a full list of all the numeric changes:

RIFLES

Acceltra: 0.65->1.2
Acceltra Prime: 0.55->1.2

Aeolak: No changes

Afentis: 1.05->1.2
Afentis Prime: 0.65->1.2

Alternox: No changes
Alternox Prime: 0.95->1.2

Ambassador: 1.15->1.2

Amprex: 0.85->1.2

Argonak: 1.25->1.2

Attica: 1.42->1.2

AX-52: 0.85->1.2

Basmu: No changes

Battacor: 1.1->1.2

Baza: 1.05->1.2
Baza Prime: 1->1.2

Boltor: 1.3->1.2
Boltor Prime: No changes

MK1-Braton: 1.35->1.2
Braton: 1.35->1.2
Braton Prime: 1.25->1.2
Braton Vandal: 1.3->1.2

Burston: 1.45->1.2
Burston Prime: 1.35->1.2

Buzlok: 1.45->1.2

Catchmoon (primary): 1.1->1.2

Cernos: 1.3->1.2
Rakta Cernos: 1.25->1.2
Cernos Prime: 1.25->1.2

Cinta: 1.25->1.2

Daikyu: 1.3->1.2
Daikyu Prime: 1->1.2

Dera: 1.4->1.2
Dera Vandal: 1.35->1.2

Dread: 1.3->1.2

EFV-5 Jupiter: 1.05->1.2

Enkaus: 0.8->1.2

Evensong: No changes

Ferrox: 1.25->1.2
Tenet Ferrox: 1.15->1.2

Fulmin: 1->1.2
Fulmin Prime: 0.75->1.2

Flux Rifle: 1.55->1.2
Tenet Flux Rifle: No changes

Gaze (primary): 1.1->1.2

Glaxion: 1.3->1.2
Glaxion Vandal: 1.25->1.2
Tenet Glaxion: 0.65->1.2

Gorgon: 1.4->1.2
Gorgon Wraith: 1.35->1.2
Prisma Gorgon: 1.3->1.2

Gotva Prime: 0.85->1.2

Grakata: 1.35->1.2
Prisma Grakata: 1.3->1.2

Grinlok: 1.3->1.2
Prisma Grinlok: 1.25->1.2

Haalvu: 0.6->1.2

Harpak: 1.55->1.2

Hema: 1.3->1.2
Coda Hema: 1->1.2

Higasa: 1.25->1.2

Hind: 1.42->1.2
Kuva Hind: 1.1->1.2

Ignis: 0.7->1.2
Ignis Wraith: 0.65->1.2

Javlok: 1.3->1.2

Karak: 1.35->1.2
Karak Wraith: 1.28->1.2
Kuva Karak: 1.05->1.2

Lanka: 1.05->1.2

Latron: 1.4->1.2
Latron Prime: 1.3->1.2
Latron Wraith: 1.35->1.2

Lenz: 1.05->1.2
Prisma Lenz: 1->1.2

Miter: 1.5->1.2

Mutalist Cernos: 1.35->1.2

Mutalist Quanta: 1.5->1.2

Nagantaka: 1.3->1.2
Nagantaka Prime: 1.15->1.2

Nataruk: 0.65->1.2

Nunchasa: 0.5->1.2

Ogris: 1.3->1.2
Kuva Ogris: 0.7->1.2

Opticor: 1.15->1.2
Opticor Vandal: 1.1->1.2

Panthera: 1.4->1.2
Panthera Prime: 1.25->1.2

Paracyst: 1.3->1.2

MK1-Paris: 1.45->1.2
Paris: 1.4->1.2
Paris Prime: 1.35->1.2

Penta: 1.35->1.2
Carmine Penta: 1.3->1.2
Secura Penta: 1.3->1.2

Perigale: 1.15->1.2
Perigale Prime: 0.8->1.2

Phenmor: 0.6->1.2

Proboscis Cernos: 0.9->1.2

Purgator 1: No changes

Quanta: 1.4->1.2
Quanta Vandal: 1.4->1.2
Tenet Quanta: 0.85->1.2

Quartakk: 1.25->1.2
Kuva Quartakk: 1.1->1.2

Quellor: 1.15->1.2

Rattleguts (primary): 1->1.2

Reconifex: 1->1.2

Rubico: 0.95->1.2
Rubico Prime: 0.7->1.2

Scourge: No changes
Scourge Prime: 1.1->1.2

Shedu: 0.75->1.2

Simulor: 1.25->1.2
Synoid Simulor: No changes

Snipetron: 1.3->1.2
Snipetron Vandal: 1.25->1.2

Soma: 1.15->1.2
Soma Prime: 1.1->1.2

Sporelacer (primary): 1.15->1.2

Sporothrix: 1.3->1.2
Coda Sporothrix: 0.95->1.2

Stahlta: 1.05->1.2

Stradavar: 1.1->1.2
Stradavar Prime: 1.1->1.2

Supra: 1.1->1.2
Supra Vandal: 1->1.2

Sybaris: 1.3->1.2
Dex Sybaris: 1.3->1.2
Sybaris Prime: No changes

Synapse: 1.31->1.2
Coda Synapse: 0.9->1.2

Tenet Envoy: 0.65->1.2

Tetra: 1.5->1.2
Prisma Tetra: 1.45->1.2
Tenet Tetra: 1.25->1.2

Tenora: 1.1->1.2
Tenora Prime: 1.05->1.2

Thornbak: No changes

Tiberon: 1.1->1.2
Tiberon Prime: 1->1.2

Tombfinger (primary): 1->1.2

Tonkor: 1.3->1.2
Kuva Tonkor: 0.9->1.2

Trumna: 0.85->1.2
Trumna Prime: 0.65->1.2

Vadarya Prime: 0.8->1.2

Vectis: 1.15->1.2
Vectis Prime: 1->1.2

Veldt: 1.3->1.2

Vermisplicer (primary): 0.9->1.2

Vinquibus (rifle): 0.6->1.2

Vulkar: 1.45->1.2
Vulkar Wraith: 1.4->1.2

Zarr: 1.15->1.2
Kuva Zarr: 0.7->1.2

Zenith: 1.1->1.2

Zhuge: No changes
Zhuge Prime: 1.15->1.2

SHOTGUNS

Arca Plasmor: 0.95->1.2
Tenet Arca Plasmor: 0.6->1.2

Astilla: 1.3->1.2
Astilla Prime: No changes

Boar: 1.45->1.2
Boar Prime: 1.34->1.2

Bubonico: 0.75->1.2
Coda Bubonico: 0.6->1.2

Cedo: 0.65->1.2
Cedo Prime: 0.55->1.2

Coda Bassocyst: 0.6->1.2

Convectrix: 1.46->1.2

Corinth: 1.15->1.2
Corinth Prime: 1->1.2

Drakgoon: 1.4->1.2
Kuva Drakgoon: 1.15->1.2

Exergis: 1.1->1.2

Felarx: 0.6->1.2

Hek: No changes
Vaykor Hek: 1.15->1.2
Kuva Hek: 1->1.2

Kohm: 1.3->1.2
Kuva Kohm: 0.9->1.2

Phage: 1.46->1.2

Phantasma: 1.1->1.2
Phantasma Prime: 0.8->1.2

Rauta: 1.1->1.2

Sobek: 1.33->1.2
Kuva Sobek: 0.8->1.2

Steflos: 1.25->1.2
Steflos Prime: 0.5->1.2

MK1-Strun: 1.45->1.2
Strun: 1.4->1.2
Strun Wraith: 1.35->1.2
Strun Prime: No changes

Tigris: 1.1->1.2
Sancti Tigris: 1->1.2
Tigris Prime: 0.95->1.2

SECONDARIES

Acrid: 1.33->1.2

Aegrit: 1->1.2

Afuris: 1.45->1.2
Dex Furis: 1.39->1.2
Afuris Prime: 1.1->1.2

Akarius: 1.05->1.2
Akarius Prime: 0.65->1.2

Akbolto: 1.3->1.2
Telos Akbolto: 1.25->1.2
Akbolto Prime: No changes

Akbronco: 1.35->1.2
Akbronco Prime: 1.3->1.2

Akjagara: 1.1->1.2
Akjagara Prime: 1->1.2

Aklato: 1.52->1.2

Aklex: 1.05->1.2
Aklex Prime: 0.95->1.2

Akmagnus: 1.35->1.2
Akmagnus Prime: 1.1->1.2

Aksomati: 1.25->1.2
Aksomati Prime: 1.1->1.2

Aksondol: 0.5->1.2

Akstiletto: 0.95->1.2
Akstiletto Prime: 0.85->1.2

Akvasto: 1.25->1.2
Akvasto Prime: No changes

Akzani: 1.52->1.2

Angstrum: 1.35->1.2
Prisma Angstrum: 1.3->1.2

Arca Scisco: 1.1->1.2

Athodai: 1.05->1.2
Athodai Prime: 0.65->1.2

Atomos: 0.95->1.2

Azima: 1.25->1.2

Ballistica: 1.25->1.2
Rakta Ballistica: No changes
Ballistica Prime: No changes

Bolto: 1.51->1.2

Brakk: 1.25->1.2
Kuva Brakk: 0.95->1.2

Bronco: 1.45->1.2
Bronco Prime: 1.4->1.2

Cantare: 1.05->1.2

Castanas: 1.4->1.2
Sancti Castanas: 1.35->1.2

Catabolyst: No changes
Coda Catabolyst: 0.7->1.2

Catchmoon (secondary): 0.75->1.2

Cestra: 1.52->1.2

Cyanex: 1->1.2

Cycron: No changes
Tenet Cycron: 0.7->1.2

Despair: 1.3->1.2

Detron: 1.15->1.2
Mara Detron: 1.15->1.2
Tenet Detron: 1->1.2

Dual Cestra: 1.35->1.2
Secura Dual Cestra: 1.3->1.2

Dual Coda Torxica: 0.55->1.2

Dual Toxocyst: 1.35->1.2

EFV-8 Mars: 1.05->1.2

Embolist: 1.4->1.2

Epitaph: 0.6->1.2
Epitaph Prime: 0.55->1.2

Euphona Prime: 0.95->1.2

Furis: 1.35->1.2

Fusilai: 1.35->1.2

Gammacor:1.15->1.2
Synoid Gammacor: 1.1->1.2

Gaze (secondary): 1.05->1.2

Grimoire: 0.6->1.2

Hikou: 1.3->1.2
Hikou Prime: 1.25->1.2

Hystrix: No changes
Hystrix Prime: 1.05->1.2

Knell: 1.25->1.2
Knell Prime: 0.85->1.2

Kohmak: 1.35->1.2

Kompressa: 1.15->1.2
Kompressa Prime: 0.6->1.2

Kraken: 1.53->1.2
Kuva Kraken: 1.1->1.2

Kulstar: 1.3->1.2

MK1-Kunai: 1.51->1.2
Kunai: 1.51->1.2

Kuva Twin Stubbas: 1->1.2

Laetum: 0.5->1.2

Lato: 1.4->1.2
Lato Prime: 1.35->1.2
Lato Vandal: 1.35->1.2

Lex: 1.25->1.2
Lex Prime: No changes

Magnus: 1.53->1.2
Magnus Prime: 1.25->1.2

Marelok: No changes
Vaykor Marelok: 1.1->1.2

Nukor: 1.45->1.2
Kuva Nukor: 0.5->1.2

Ocucor: No changes

Onos: 0.85->1.2

Pandero: No changes
Pandero Prime: 1.1->1.2

Plinx: No changes
Tenet Plinx: 0.75->1.2

Pox: No changes
Coda Pox: 1.05->1.2

Pyrana: 0.95->1.2
Pyrana Prime: 0.65->1.2

Quatz: No changes

Rattleguts (secondary): 1->1.2

Riot-848: 1->1.2

Sagek Prime: 0.9->1.2

Scyotid: 0.75->1.2

Seer: 1.5->1.2
Kuva Seer: 1.1->1.2

Sepulcrum: 1.1->1.2

Sicarus: No changes
Sicarus Prime: 1.15->1.2

Sonicor: 1.15->1.2

Spectra: 1.49->1.2
Spectra Vandal: 1.45->1.2

Spira: 1.35->1.2
Spira Prime: 1.25->1.2

Sporelacer (secondary): 0.6->1.2

Staticor: 0.9->1.2

Stubba: 1.35->1.2

Stug: 1.48->1.2

Talons: 1.44->1.2

Tenet Diplos: 0.8->1.2

Tenet Spirex: 1.05->1.2

Tombfinger (secondary): 0.9->1.2

Twin Gremlins: No changes
Prisma Twin Gremlins: 1.15->1.2

Twin Kohmak: 1.25->1.2

Twin Rogga: 1.3->1.2

Twin Vipers: 1.45->1.2
Twin Vipers Wraith: 1.41->1.2

Tysis: 1.45->1.2
Coda Tysis: 1->1.2

Vasto 1.4->1.2
Vasto Prime: 1.35->1.2

Velox: 1.25->1.2
Velox Prime: 0.85->1.2

Vermisplicer (secondary): 1.15->1.2

Vesper 77: 0.8->1.2

Viper: 1.45->1.2
Viper Wraith: 1.4->1.2

Zakti: 1.25->1.2
Zakti Prime: 1.1->1.2

Zylok: 1.25->1.2
Zylok Prime: 0.95->1.2

Zymos: No changes

MELEES

Ack & Brunt: 1.35-1.2

Amanata: 0.85->1.2

Amphis: 1.5->1.2

Anku: 1.46->1.2

Ankyros: 1.5->1.2
Ankyros Prime: 1.45->1.2 

Arca Titron: 1.3->1.2

Argo & Vel: 1.15->1.2

Arum Spinosa: 1.25->1.2

Atterax: 1.15->1.2

Azothane: 1.1->1.2

Balla: 0.8->1.2

MK1-Bo: 1.4->1.2
Bo: 1.35->1.2
Bo Prime: 1.35->1.2

Boltace: 1.25->1.2
Telos Boltace: 1.1->1.2

Broken Scepter: 1.4->1.2

Broken War: 1.15->1.2

Cadus: 1.29->1.2

Cassowar: 1.35->1.2

Caustacyst: 1.3->1.2
Coda Caustacyst: 0.85->1.2

Ceramic Dagger: 1.43->1.2

Cerata: 1.25->1.2

Cobra & Crane: 1.35->1.2 
Cobra & Crane Prime: No changes

Coda Motovore: 0.8->1.2

Corufell: 1.05->1.2
Corufell Prime: 0.5->1.2

Cronus: 1.48->1.2

Cyath: 1.05->1.2

Dakra Prime: 1.1->1.2

Dark Dagger: 1.1->1.2
Rakta Dark Dagger: 1->1.2

Dark Split-Sword: 1.3->1.2

Dark Sword: 1.48->1.2

Dehtat: 1.25->1.2

Destreza: 1.25->1.2
Destreza Prime: 1.14->1.2

Dex Dakra: 1.35->1.2

Dokrahm: 0.75->1.2

Dorrclave: 1.1->1.2

Dragon Nikana: 1.15->1.2

Dual Cleavers: No changes
Prisma Dual Cleavers: 1.1->1.2

Dual Ether: 1.45->1.2

Dual Heat Swords: 1.44->1.2 

Dual Ichor: 1.25->1.2 

Dual Kamas: 1.35->1.2 
Dual Kama Prime: 1.25->1.2 

Dual Keres: 1.1->1.2 
Dual Keres Prime: 0.8->1.2 

Dual Raza: 1.4->1.2 

Dual Skana: 1.48->1.2 

Dual Viciss: 0.8->1.2 

Dual Zoren: 1.44->1.2 
Dual Zoren Prime: 0.95->1.2 

Edun: 1.15->1.2

Ekhein: No changes

Endura: 1.4->1.2

Ether Daggers: 1.49->1.2

Ether Reaper: 1.45->1.2

Ether Sword: 1.44->1.2

Falcor: 1.3->1.2

Fang: 1.36->1.2
Fang Prime: 1.3->1.2

Fragor: No changes
Fragor Prime: 1.05->1.2

Mk1-Furax: 1.45->1.2
Furax: 1.38->1.2
Furax Wraith: 1.15->1.2 

Galariak Prime: 0.9->1.2

Galatine: 1.05->1.2
Galatine Prime: 0.9->1.2

Galvacord: 1.35->1.2

Gazal Machete: 1.4->1.2

Ghoulsaw: 1.25->1.2
Kuva Ghoulsaw: 0.8->1.2 

Glaive: 1.3->1.2
Glaive Prime: 0.7->1.2

Gram: 1.44->1.2
Gram Prime: 0.8->1.2

Guandao: 1.05->1.2
Guandao Prime: 0.7->1.2

Gunsen: 1.35->1.2
Gunsen Prime: 1->1.2

Halikar: 1.44->1.2
Halikar Wraith: No changes

Harmony: 0.6->1.2

Hate: 1.1->1.2

Heat Dagger: 1.44->1.2

Heat Sword: 1.48->1.2

Heliocor: 1.35->1.2
Synoid Heliocor: 1.35->1.2

Hespar: 1.05->1.2

Hirudo: 1.15->1.2
Coda Hirudo: 0.75->1.2

Innodem: 0.65->1.2

Jat Kittag: 1.35->1.2

Jat Kusar: No changes

Jaw Sword: 1.4->1.2

Kama: 1.47->1.2

Karyst: 1.35->1.2
Karyst Prime: 1.15->1.2

Keratinos: 1.05->1.2

Kesheg: 1.35->1.2

Kestrel: 1.45->1.2
Kestrel Prime: 0.85->1.2

Kogake: 1.46->1.2
Kogake Prime: 1.4->1.2

Korrudo: 1.35->1.2

Korrum: 1.1->1.2

Kreska: 1.35->1.2

Krohkur: 1.35->1.2

Kronen: 1.43->1.2
Kronen Prime: 0.7->1.2

Kronsh: 1.3->1.2

Kuva Shildeg: 0.85->1.2

Lacera: 1.31->1.2
Ceti Lacera: No changes

Lecta: 1.25->1.2
Secura Lecta: No changes

Lesion: 0.85->1.2

Machete: 1.45->1.2
Machete Wraith: 1.4->1.2
Prisma Machete: 1.45->1.2

Magistar: 1.35->1.2
Sancti Magistar: 1.25->1.2

Masseter: 1.25->1.2
Masseter Prime: 1->1.2

Mewan: 1.15->1.2

Mios: 1.3->1.2

Mire: 1.3->1.2
Coda Mire: 0.75->1.2

Nami Skyla: 1.3->1.2
Nami Skyla Prime: 1->1.2

Nami Solo: 1.43->1.2

Nepheri: 0.95->1.2

Nikana: 0.95->1.2
Dex Nikana: 1.1->1.2
Nikana Prime: 0.6->1.2

Ninkondi: 1.41->1.2
Ninkondi Prime: 1.1->1.2

Obex: 1.3->1.2
Prisma Obex: 1.25->1.2

Ohma: 1.25->1.2
Prisma Ohma: 0.95->1.2

Okina: 1.4->1.2
Okina Prime: 0.7->1.2

Ooltha: 1.3->1.2

Orthos: 1->1.2
Orthos Prime: 0.7->1.2

Orvius: 1.35->1.2

Pangolin Sword: 1.47->1.2
Pangolin Prime: 1.05->1.2

Paracesis: 0.65->1.2

Pathocyst: 1.35->1.2
Coda Pathocyst: 0.65->1.2

Pennant: 0.95->1.2

Plague Keewar: 0.9->1.2

Plague Kripath: 0.65->1.2

Plasma Sword: 1.48->1.2

Praedos: 0.6->1.2

Pride: 0.7->1.2

Prova: 1.4->1.2
Prova Vandal: 1.35->1.2

Pulmonars: No changes

Pupacyst: 1.35->1.2

Quassus: 1.15->1.2
Quassus Prime: 0.9->1.2

Rabvee: 1.3->1.2

Reaper Prime: 0.8->1.2

Redeemer: 1.05->1.2
Redeemer Prime: 0.65->1.2

Ripkas: 1.3->1.2

Rumblejack: No changes

Ruvok: 0.9->1.2

Sampotes: 1->1.2

Sarofang: 1.15->1.2
Sarofang Prime: 0.75->1.2

Sarpa: No changes

Scindo: 1.35->1.2
Scindo Prime: 1.3->1.2

Scoliac: 1.3->1.2

Sepfahn: 0.7->1.2

Serro: 1.38->1.2

Shaku: 1.35->1.2

Sheev: 1.35->1.2

Sibear: 1.35->1.2

Sigma & Octantis: 1.1->1.2

Silva & Aegis: 1.15->1.2
Silva & Aegis Prime: 1.05->1.2

Skana: 1.3->1.2
Skana Prime: No changes
Prisma Skana: No changes

Skiajati: 0.9->1.2

Slaytra: 1.05->1.2

Spinnerex: 0.85->1.2

Stropha: 0.65->1.2

Sun & Moon: 0.8->1.2

Syam: 0.75->1.2

Sydon: 1.35->1.2
Vaykor Sydon: 1.3->1.2

Tak & Lug: 1.05->1.2

Tatsu: 1.05->1.2
Tatsu Prime: 0.9->1.2

Tekko: 1.4->1.2
Tekko Prime: 1.3->1.2

Tenet Agendus: 0.9->1.2

Tenet Exec: 0.8->1.2

Tenet Grigori: 0.95->1.2

Tenet Livia: 0.95->1.2

Thalys: 0.65->1.2

Tipedo: 1.31->1.2
Tipedo Prime: 1.25->1.2

Tonbo: 1.38->1.2

Tonkkatt: 0.95->1.2

Twin Basolk: 1.3->1.2

Twin Krohkur: No changes

Vastilok: 0.9->1.2

Venato: 1.3->1.2
Venato Prime: 0.65->1.2

Venka: 1.1->1.2
Venka Prime: 0.85->1.2

Verdilac: 1.1->1.2

Vericres: 1.15->1.2

Vinquibus (Melee): 0.7->1.2

Vitrica: 1.1->1.2

Volnus: 1.4->1.2
Volnus Prime: 1.3->1.2

War: 1.05->1.2
War Prime: 0.65->1.2

Wolf Sledge: 1.25->1.2

Wrath: 0.7->1.2

Xoris: 0.65->1.2

Zenistar: 1.15->1.2

ARCHGUNS

Arbucep: 0.7->1.2

Cortege: 1->1.2

Corvas: No changes
Corvas Prime: 1->1.2

Cyngas: 1.3->1.2

Fluctus: 1.3->1.2

Grattler: 1.1->1.2
Kuva Grattler: 0.7->1.2

Imperator: 1.1->1.2
Imperator Vandal: 0.95->1.2

Kuva Ayanga: 0.95->1.2

Larkspur: 1.05->1.2
Larkspur Prime: 0.8->1.2

Mandonel: 1.1->1.2

Mausolon: 0.5->1.2

Morgha: 1->1.2

Phaedra: 1.25->1.2

Velocitus: 1.1->1.2

COMPANION WEAPONS

Akaten: 1->1.2

Artax: 1->1.2

Batoten: 1->1.2

Burst Laser: 1.45->1.2
Prisma Burst Laser: 1.45->1.2
Burst Laser Prime: 1.45->1.2

Cryotra: 1->1.2

Deconstructor: 1.25->1.2
Deconstructor Prime: 1.25->1.2

Deth Machine Rifle: 1.46->1.2
Deth Machine Rifle Prime: 1.46->1.2

Helstrum: 1->1.2

Lacerten: 1->1.2

Laser Rifle: 1.21->1.2
Prime Laser Rifle: 1.21->1.2

Multron: 1->1.2

Stinger 1.32->1.2

Sweeper: 1->1.2
Sweeper Prime: 1->1.2

Tazicor: 1->1.2

Verglas: 1.3->1.2
Verglas Prime: 1.3->1.2

Vulcax: 1->1.2

Vulklok: 1.25->1.2

Thank you for bearing with us through these changes. It is a fine line to walk, but when the dust settles, we hope Rivens can remain an exciting and sustainable reward used to make a weapon truly your own. Thanks everyone!

Devshorts 120 Update: Rebecca mentioned that we had news on Acid Shells changes in this Dev Workshop. We can confirm that changes are coming, but we do not have final details to share in this Dev Workshop. Please look to our hotfix patch notes for more information when it launches.

[u/Creator409]

Well... at least pistoleer didnt recieve collateral damage. Feel like the viper nerf was uncalled for. Did people even use that thing?

[u/Fortesque96 → u/Creator409]

the amps are crying in a corner since they used an arcane and a mod for efficiency

[u/sharktail_tanker → u/Fortesque96]

I was affraid they'd pull that, and they did. Now eternal logistics (or whatever it's called) gets to go cry behind the dumpster next to limbo

[u/Luvatar → u/Fortesque96]

Yep! I was just trying a solo EDA run with operator only and logistics was a big part of what made it possible.

[u/Yarigumo → u/Fortesque96]

Oh my god I didn't even think about this one, fuuuuuuck.

[u/hugglesthemerciless → u/Creator409]

I was gonna be livid if they killed off titania in the crossfire over this

[u/Moose1013 → u/hugglesthemerciless]

I've been using arcane precision on her and liking it, it triggers on weak point hit instead of kill, and if you're aiming and firing bursts between moving you regen ammo plenty fast enough, and you hit much harder

[u/L4v4_ → u/Creator409]

Also kinda sad that the Zazvat-Kar & Akimbo Slip Shot combo got hit.

[u/Delicious_Address_43 → u/Creator409]

I never used the viper mod, but I have tried to keep twin wraith vipers relevant for it's entire existence. I was excited for the new riven buffs. Even before the update I had a perfect riven with +critical chance + critical damage - projectile speed for 100% critical chance total and something like 7.2x critical damage. Riven disposition 5 and it was fun for only a few seconds. Couldn't even take advantage of arcane pistoleer reliably. I would've given it infinite ammo except secondaries don't have access to primary crux so I gave it multishot and weakpoint damage which was barely enough to kill high level enemies in one mag. Even then I still had to baby it with sonar and ammo strip.

[u/TheLocalHentai → u/Creator409]

It’s my favorite secondary (highest usage stat for ~8k hours) and it’s extremely heavy handed. The disposition actually made it SP viable.

[u/Tukkegg]

Retiring the Riven Disposition System

oh no, i need to change my pants

[u/Spl1nter331]

[u/TTungsteNN → u/Spl1nter331]

Nope, rivens are untradable for the next few days. RIP riven dealers

[u/divideby00 → u/TTungsteNN]

Change of plans, leave nothing alive.

[u/Spl1nter331 → u/Spl1nter331]

Rip Tenacious Bond with Verglas and my 20x zoom Vulkar

[u/Spl1nter331 → u/Spl1nter331]

On the other hand, Grattler and Nukor

[u/Spl1nter331 → u/Spl1nter331]

King is dead. Long live the king.

[u/Saizare → u/Spl1nter331]

I can't wait to spend a billion Kuva making a Riven for my Kuva Nukor

[u/SoyBoy67 → u/Spl1nter331]

The 50% threshold should still be achieved with another crit mod like point strike no? I haven’t done the math yet but 1.3 dispo to 1.2 doesn’t seem like it’s enough to drop below 50%

[u/SnailWhoLovesMud → u/SoyBoy67]

the thing people are talking about is the +2 -1 cc rivens to save on 1 mod slot which is possible with 1.3 but not with 1.2

[u/SoyBoy67 → u/SnailWhoLovesMud]

Oh I see. Yeah I always run +3 -1 with point strike on my verglas

[u/Acrylic_]

The riven disposition change is MASSIVE, but I really think its for the best

the disposition system only worked if dispos changed based on player usage to buff the less used weapons, and dispos had not changed in forever. Plenty of people wont be happy with this, but I think in the long run its the right move

[u/Corat_McRed → u/Acrylic_]

Yeah, I never understood why some guns just BARELY got changed over time, yet others just barely had the chance to grow into something you can actually use in builds.

[u/thedavecan → u/Acrylic_]

Yeah, its going to suck for my Boar Prime Riven which is one of only a handful of actual nerfs. Still, I can understand that it's better for the game overall. It's not going to suddenly become a bad weapon.

[u/DarthVeigar_ → u/Acrylic_]

I'm more surprised at the nerfs.

Riven mafia is going to be mad after this

[u/Acrylic_ → u/DarthVeigar_]

As someone with plenty of rivens for max disposition weapons(burston, dual tox, etc), I will gladly take this in return for the buffs it will give basically every other weapon in the game. I cant wait for my Coda Dual Torxica to have a 4/5 dispo!

[u/Zymbobwye → u/Acrylic_]

For real. I feel like we have gotten to the point where the strongest rivens were on some of the strongest weapons that don’t even need them thanks to incarnons, so it was nonsensical. This is a better compromise and now they don’t have to toy with numbers all the time and can just add stuff to the game.

[u/t_moneyzz → u/Acrylic_]

I'm over here actually considering hunting a riven for the Shedu

[u/YaboiJerryW → u/Acrylic_]

Yeah I'm over the moon that it will actually be worth investing in my Bubonico and Cedo Rivens now

This is a massive change and I'm excited to get to engage with this system on good, popular weapons too!

[u/Dark_Jinouga → u/DarthVeigar_]

to be fair, aside from maybe some rare breakpoints (verglas crit?) I doubt any riven actually loses value due to getting nerfed to a 1.2x

if anything, the riven nuts just got infinitely more toys to play with

[u/aSleepingPanda → u/Acrylic_]

Dispos got updated in June and September I'm pretty sure. They got updated throughout the entire year since since they started adjusting. Big problem is the change was glacial and seemingly inconsistent. Some weak weapons really got left behind in getting buffed. And of course no longer nerfing meant some weapons became inordinately strong if they got buffed by the devs.

[u/SweatyTechnician1961 → u/aSleepingPanda]

The Vinquibus had a 0.6 disposition. 10 months for a weapon I've not seen a SINGLE person use, and it got a measly 0.10 increase. I'm actually mad it took so many years for them to remove this, because it was painfully obvious that they had no intention or motivation to actually deal with the system for a long ass time..

[u/Acrylic_ → u/aSleepingPanda]

Its just hard when there are literally hundreds of weapons to not leave tons of them behind. There are some pretty obscure weapons that Id love to power up with a riven but never could until now

But you're right, dispositions did get updated earlier this year. My mistake

[u/Based_Lord_Shaxx → u/Acrylic_]

I don't blame you for not noticing. Riven changes were always minimal (understandably so) so they got buried under other big changes and content add-ons that were talked about. No one was going to make a reddit post that their Grakata riven was going from +122% heat to +128%

[u/DarthVeigar_]

[u/Creator409 → u/DarthVeigar_]

...I think this will likely increase average riven prices

[u/Bacca9999 → u/Creator409]

I agree, rn for the bad weapons they usually go for like 5-20 p but now since the bad weapon ones will be useable they will probs go up alot more but things like the burston, torid, dual tox, and ocucor will probs go down since there will be a lot more competition

[u/Lyberatis → u/Bacca9999]

Why would that be the case? If a weapon is "bad" it's disposition is usually higher like the weapons they mention, meaning the change actually makes their rivens worse and therefore cheaper

[u/WatLightyear → u/Lyberatis]

There’s a ton of weapons (especially new ones) with lower dispositions after the “never lowering a disposition” change.

[u/Bacca9999 → u/Lyberatis]

I do think thats true but there also alot of bad weapons with a low dispo as in the Galatine, Tonkkatt and Tenet Livia, all meh weapons that get buffed in which we might see an increase in prices, but as you say these is still a few weapons that do get nerfed even though they are still bad but that doesnt affect the prices bec they were allready selling for a low amount and its hard to go lower as in something like the Mios or Plasma Sword both of which sold for around 10-15 if I remember correctly and will probs go to like 5-10, but really its all speculation.

[u/Beta_Decay_ → u/Lyberatis]

No, you got it flipped. Bad weapons, that were nerfed with a disp of 1, now are more appealing. especially with spliced stats really helping out their weak points.

[u/Snivyland → u/DarthVeigar_]

Yeah this is the opposite rivens prices are gonna skyrocket

[u/Noodles_fluffy → u/DarthVeigar_]

Most riven prices are going to rise, especially Nukor, Praedos, Laetum, Bubonico, etc which will likely go into the thousands.

[u/FairEnvironment9317]

So no more infinite ammo AK/AX?

Damn, aside from that i like the changes.

[u/The_Makers_Ruin → u/FairEnvironment9317]

Yeah I have to wonder if it'll be worth running crux on anymore. Probably, since there's still synergy with the aim mode, but Ill miss spraying and praying as I run around with it.

[u/Vividtoaster → u/The_Makers_Ruin]

300% status chance is still a lot, and with biotic rounds you can mod pure heat for what I imagine would be a good status build.

Alternatively since crux and the hipfire give 60%, you can ADS for the 400% crit chance instead.

[u/MygungoesfuckinBRRT → u/The_Makers_Ruin]

Think about it this way: with Crux, hip-fire will have 75% ammo efficiency, ADS will have 60%, so switching on the fly won't be as jarring. Plus, it also has the 300% Status Chance bonus still

[u/finalremix → u/FairEnvironment9317]

No point to my Dera suppressing fire build with crux, either. Fuck's sake.

[u/AbyssWalker_Art]

I understand where they might want to push against infinite ammo, especially with all rivens being pushed to 1.2 disposition. The biggest disappointment for me is that amps are catching strays with this one. We've had access to infinite amp energy since The Old Peace, and it was down fantastic QoL. Now it's dead.

[u/BlessedKurnoth → u/AbyssWalker_Art]

We've had access to infinite amp energy since The Old Peace

Far longer than that if you were using madurai. We've been able to have infinite ammo during void strike since the zariman.

[u/Dracosphinx → u/AbyssWalker_Art]

"The Zhalo Supercell AX-52 is over performing so we nerfed fusion rifles Amps." -Bungie DE

[u/LevTheDevil → u/Dracosphinx]

[u/Fireofthetiger]

I can think of two niche cases for the 75% Ammo Efficiency cap that I feel like could be omitted, those being the AX-57 and our Operator;

• AX-57 now loses its infinite Ammo Efficiency from Crux + its passive which was really non-threatening balance-wise and does more harm than good IMO
• our Operator can no longer achieve max Ammo Efficiency from Eternal Logistics + Zid-An Haras, and more specifically kinda makes the latter a lot less helpful since Logistics is a 72% Efficiency buff, and therefore is already close to that max. I'd argue that Operator Amp max Efficiency was also a non-issue for balance, mostly just because of how little you'd see of it and how you actually need to keep the Logistics buff up instead of just standing around in one place

Apart from that though, 75% is totally fine for the majority of AoE weaponry, and adding an additional Infinite Ammo condition allows for more flexibility for this in the future. I just feel like certain weapons should be tweaked to allow for bypassing that cap or enabling Infinite Ammo, just because of how non-aggressive they were in comparison to the big offenders that enabled this change.

[u/Muteogen → u/Fireofthetiger]

Primary Crux AX-52 is literally my favorite build in the game please god DE let me keep this. it's not even overpowered it's just fun.

[u/i__like__nuggets → u/Muteogen]

yeah this is really pissing me off honestly, im a baby tenno (~250 hours so far) that recently built ax and fell in love after discovering the synergy with crux, and now my favorite gun that ive invested the most in is getting a nerf because of an unrelated issue that DE brought about with improper balance testing

[u/Bandit_Raider → u/Fireofthetiger]

They should make an exception for the ax and operator, there is no reason to nerf them because of these riven shenanigans.

[u/No_Guest7608 → u/Fireofthetiger]

75% cap is a bit severe if their main intention was to address afk-ability... there is no need for such a crazy low cap, they could have capped it at 90% and had the same effect. game balance wise, this splice was a lot less meta shifting than viral+ cor modding, gas splice, or wpdmg + ms modding easily are, even on its strongest users. and now its basically unusable. but its fine because they finally fixed riven dispositions and this good absolves their sins against AE :D

[u/L4v4_ → u/Fireofthetiger]

Another one is the Akstiletto Prime with its augment + Slip Shot

[u/RTukka → u/Fireofthetiger]

Eternal Logistics + Zid-An Haras

Or Vikla-Safor. I guess it's still worth running for the Fire Rate buff, but the +Ammo Efficiency effect also essentially does nothing on this one if you run Eternal Logistics.

You still need to Void Sling periodically to proc Eternal Logistics so that's kind of like reloading, especially with respect to interrupting AFK playstyles, I'd imagine. Operators/Tektolyst Artifacts don't need the nerf.

[u/Hydrobolt → u/Fireofthetiger]

I NEED my "guns in movies never have to reload" buff to remain as is.

[u/Moridraug → u/Fireofthetiger]

Counterpoint: now you can just run Deadhead on AX and don't feel conflicted over not using crux. I'd say Dera is bigger victim due to ammo eff evo being better than channeling one, and Dera really liking Crux for both of it's effects. But overall I think the change is good.

[u/Constant-Release6779 → u/Moridraug]

Dera got destroyed. Ammo efficiency AND disposition nerf. Truly the biggest loser of the nerfs, and it wasn't even a very stand out weapon to begin with, even with incarnon. 

[u/Leekshooter]

I miss one dev short and we get Rivens 4.0 lmao

[u/samjp270]

Ok own up - who had "heat sword nerf" on their 2026 bingo card?

[u/Snow_Set_02 → u/samjp270]

or buffing kuva sobek in the same patch

[u/Thobio → u/Snow_Set_02]

And yet also nerfing kuva sobek acid shells

[u/Goryou → u/Snow_Set_02]

Kuva Nukor and Nataruk 👀

[u/OgreEye]

If i may be so bold, can we exempt amps from the ammo efficiency changes? I dont think they're ever really strong enough to be problematic and I fear this throws my workhorse amp directly into the toilet

[u/TemporalAcapella → u/OgreEye]

Yeah I’m a-okay with the other changes but amps and operators in general should be allowed to pop off, as a treat.

[u/sharktail_tanker → u/OgreEye]

I've literally never seen anyone complain that the x4x amp is overtuned with infinite ammo. If I may be so bold, infinite ammo is what lets it even try going into any high level content

[u/BlessedKurnoth → u/OgreEye]

Yeah this is pretty heartbreaking for me. I've been running 100% efficiency Exard with Void Strike for years and it's lots of fun, but ultimately not a problem.

[u/Hot-Cattle8314]

TOTAL RIVEN DISPOSITION DEATH

[u/quietudinal_]

HOLY SHIT

[u/Himeto31]

AX-52 catching strays lol

[u/finalremix → u/Himeto31]

Right? It's nowhere near good enough to warrant this treatment. Same as my Dera build. Dumb issue that.should've been caught before going live and now they're doing another "fix with sledgehammer".

[u/bingusdingus_]

where were you when riven dispo was kil

i was at home watching cpunk edgerunners s2 when phone ring

“riven dispo is kil”

“no”

[u/BBerry4909 → u/bingusdingus_]

"no" "YES"

also same lol

[u/Based_Lord_Shaxx → u/bingusdingus_]

Oh shi, that's out? Do they release 1 episode at a time or dump it all?

[u/bingusdingus_ → u/Based_Lord_Shaxx]

currenty, all of its dumped on netflix

[u/SketchyCharacters → u/bingusdingus_]

S2 is out already?? Holyyyy

[u/Ar1nthian_]

I think these are both good changes, I just wish ax-52 + primary crux survived. They’re acquired from the same place, that one feels like it was at least semi intentional

[u/L30N1337]

The Viper augment didn't need that nerf.

Having a low magazine, crazy fire rate weapon that can run theoretically infinitely provided you hit heads is a really cool concept. I think reducing the duration to make missing more punishing (maybe even no duration, just headshots don't consume ammo)bwould have been more appropriate (if there had to be any nerf at all)

[u/Sinisphere]

"Sources that intentional give 100% ammo efficiency have been rephrased"

Fingers crossed that means my Perigale is safe. That thing is very much built to use it's Galeforce buff.

Edit: oh, it's covered below that section lol

Second edit: A lot of my bad disposition rivens just got a lot better.

[u/Lolsporeguy → u/Sinisphere]

It is safe, just a little under that they mention the arcades that get it too

[u/Shekleor → u/Sinisphere]

You were in luck! 😊

[u/Little_Green_Frind]

[u/XtimesX1]

THEY TOLD ME KUVA NUKOR RIVEN WASN'T WORTH IT!!!

BWAHAHAHA!!!

[u/Limitlessly]

RIP 1 crit mod tenacious bond verglas.

[u/Hezecaiah]

"No more constant adjustments"

I'm over the moon at the removal of dispo but this is just straight up historical revisionism

[u/TheScottishFluff → u/Hezecaiah]

So true. They havent been updated in ages.

[u/Haerrlekin]

I wish the ammo efficiency cap was something like 80% rather than 75%, but overall I'm not all too mad at the cap being a thing. The intentional cases are still being preserved; all this means is that edge cases will be gated a bit.

Not everybody will be happy with it, but I can at least respect the spirit behind the decision.

Riven dispo getting slashed entirely is a very welcome surprise. I might actually start investing more in rivens now for newer weapons.

[u/Doomweapon6 → u/Haerrlekin]

My problem with the cap fundamentally is it's not because infinite ammo is OP in any way shape or form for 99% of guns (i.e. does the Chakkhurr fundamentally change just because infinite ammo? No, it basically doesn't). The cap is there simply because of performance issues being caused by people running around with Nightwatch Ogris and Acceltra with infinite ammo via rivens and Primary Crux. It's maybe 20 weapons tops doing this from what I know but we're hitting ammo efficiency across the board for every other gun because of a few "bad apple" weapons causing lag.

I understand "the why" on that level but the solution is a blanket solution that, at best, doesn't help other guns and at worst nukes some fun niche interactions (i.e. hipfired AX-52s with Primary Crux no longer have infinite ammo. Same applies with Dera Incarnon too). It reads off as a kneejerk reaction to a problem DE themselves caused by "not thinking/testing enough."

Edit: I should note that there is a pretty insane amount of "crossfire" going on with the cap to ammo efficiency too because it also means stuff like amps are getting hit with the cap when I argue amps suck just enough that an ammo efficiency cap on them feels like an insult. Yes, I know you can kill enemies with amps but nobody's first option to fighting virtually any enemy in high level Warframe is to use an amp on them.

[u/InjuredWolf]

RIP Amps ammo efficiency, feel like that could maybe be left alone specifically as you still need to void sling to trigger it. Also RIP AX-52 as well.

Would love a removal of the stat swinginess on rivens as well, it would save a bunch of space in terms of data and therefore the riven cap could be increased quite a bit. But overall removing dispositions is a great change.

[u/MarsFlavored]

My acceltra is about to shred even more? Bet.

[u/Sinisphere → u/MarsFlavored]

I randomly rolled an Acceltra and Akarius riven when Gauss Prime came out. They just got a whole lot better.

[u/SinistralGuy]

DE casually forgetting about Torid on their riven dispo list. So glad they're finally done with dispos though

[u/Kodiak_POL → u/SinistralGuy]

And Kuva Bramma

[u/KaedeAoi]

Viper was powerful enough to require double nerfs

[u/undayerixon]

Nerfing the Viper, Bronco and Grakata is fucking hilarious

Removing the disposition system is an unexpected move, but with how many weapons there are in the game I'm not surprised DE don't want to allocate resources to deal with that mechanic

Now remove the random stat deviation and just make the numbers round

[u/ArcaninesTail]

Wow! My laetum was already the best weapon in my arsenal but this thing is about to become a god killer with the disposition changes 😮

[u/AuryxTheDutchman → u/ArcaninesTail]

That’s how I feel about my Nataruk! I’m nowhere near true endgame power levels but I was still red critting in steel path for 1-2m, and now my Tox/Multishot riven is going to be even stronger! I can’t wait

[u/Callibys → u/ArcaninesTail]

Same here with my Bassocyst. It already hit like a freight train but now its riven stats are getting effectively doubled

[u/Derpogama → u/Callibys]

Feel like this bad boy going to go crazy with the dispo buff

[u/TheRavenchild]

Good changes imo, but the Grakata and Viper catching a stray nerf is funny as shit

[u/EnchiladaTiddies]

As much as I will miss permanent infinite ammo, the death of Disposition is MASSIVE. One thing to be noted is that this doesn't also mean the death of Riven Variance (+10%/-10%). I'm hopeful that they change this as well while they're poking around at legacy code so they can save on database size and give us more Riven slots

[u/MrSquidJD]

Holy shit byebye riven dispo LETS GOOOOOOO

My war riven is ready!

[u/Corat_McRed]

Surprised Torid's not listed anywhere in the list, but hey, lets go.

[u/lostpirate123 → u/Corat_McRed]

It is on the list, its gone from 1.3 to 1.2. I was on the apps news article.

[u/korxil → u/Corat_McRed]

Presumably its a nerf. 1.3 > 1.2

[u/_asdfjackal]

Hopefully the acid shells changes are just on its interaction with gas and not the rest of it, which has been fine for 10 years...

[u/South_Violinist1049 → u/_asdfjackal]

You know that shit getting destroyed.

[u/Saltsey]

Riven Dispo dead

[u/Okidoki101011]

My nataruk riven finally has purpose

[u/EduardoBarreto]

I believe there is still place for infinite ammo through stacking ammo efficiency and that it should come in the form of an additive ammo efficiency stat that can go beyond the cap but only when actively triggered. Like, allowing Primary Crux to breach that cap would mean that fun infinite ammo builds like AX-52 or infinite Exergis have a chance to shine.

[u/Noodles_fluffy]

This is going to make the price of rivens for non-incarnon meta weapons go through the roof...

[u/LoveMe-Oniichan → u/Noodles_fluffy]

Yeah I don’t think the price of rivens are gonna go down. If anything I think all of the prices are gonna go up

[u/TheKingsPride]

Me, looking for Kuva Bramma on the list:

[u/NFNTDS → u/TheKingsPride]

It should be a pretty noticeable buff, from 0.7 to 1.2

[u/guardiandolphin]

I can’t believe they’re removing the infinite ammo on the AX cause of this. Crux AX is so fun and not OP at all

[u/CummanderGirthquake]

AMPs not being able to get infinite ammo anymore is a huge bummer. The rest is cool, but Drifter losing a fun build because of rivens feels like a slap in the face.

[u/sharktail_tanker → u/CummanderGirthquake]

Alright. Goobye any reason for eternal logistics to be applied, back to a boring crit build with me

[u/Dovakiin04]

I feel the AX-52 should get a exception only when in hipfire mode due to the fact that's how it's ment to operate it starts out with a 60% ammo efficiency so if someone invests into it they should be rewarded for it. Not to mention it's not even a really powerful gun. Of course that doesn't apply to the aimed mode and when I'm down it should still have the new maxed out one

[u/on-the-cheeseburgers]

Burston Prime: 1.35->1.2

literally unplayable

[u/alexanderatprime → u/on-the-cheeseburgers]

I'm sad about boar and braton prime, but they're still quite spicy.

[u/PirateCptAstera]

WAIT. This means a decent CC roll on a hound weapon will allow them to hit 50% for tenacious.

I'm so keen

Also fuck the riven mafia lmao

[u/namthedarklord → u/PirateCptAstera]

dude, you do know that they are the ones with a bunch of leatum rivens right?

[u/j_cyclone]

Ok so I read it wrong the first time had to  reread the change again it's a 60% change on weak point hit for infinite ammo for 12 seconds instead of ammo efficiency.

[u/Albenheim]

Do the weak weapons get complimentary buffs as well? Because if not this change will kick non-meta loadouts even further in a ditch than theyve already been in. Glad that dispo is gone tho, never really liked the system

[u/Ambyli]

I feel like the disposition system couldve really worked if there was some TLC to the system. Like why was it never automated in a way that was impactful? Perhaps it was on their back end and it provides suggestions for making changes to weapons that they individually approve? Regardless, it could've been done well and it was a pretty unique system. DE, dont rely on incarnons, the turn around for this is too long for bad/old weapons, albeit cool.

[u/zawalimbooo]

RIP ACID SHELLS

[u/Loczx → u/zawalimbooo]

I wanna cope and say they're just gonna make a minor adjustment where you can no longer use it through walls for things like Cyte, but knowing DE, it might be time to hang up my Sobek because I know it's gonna be in tatters when they're done.

[u/fazzy69]

Seeing the red text was crazyyy

[u/AlienthunderUfo]

F riven mafia

[u/Bhavaagra → u/AlienthunderUfo]

wdym riven mafia? If anything, they're winning because even the good weapons with shit dispos are now gonna skyrocket in prices

[u/1wbah → u/Bhavaagra]

Yeah, they rn are preparing to snipe every riven for relatively new weapon, just waiting hotfix to land.

[u/Hhalloush → u/AlienthunderUfo]

This doesn't hurt the "riven mafia" in any way

[u/Sick_Tricks → u/AlienthunderUfo]

Good.

[u/PictureElectronic174 → u/AlienthunderUfo]

Bro riven traders are going to make tens of thousands of plat with this

[u/Techman-]

The Ammo Efficiency cap applies to all equipment that uses Ammo, including Necramechs and Amps.

PLEASE UNDO THIS FOR AMPS!

This was such a massive Quality of Life change for Operators. The nerf is not needed here. Operator gameplay is very distinct and separate from all other areas of the game.

[u/wakito64]

My arca plasmor Riven is about to skyrocket in power, no enemy will be safe from the radiation wall of doom

[u/Amatsuo]

I think this kills my Dera build.
I wasn't too fond of its Incarnon mode, so it was nice that Infinite Ammo was built in with Crux.

[u/Copper_mask76r7]

This is going to be absolute cinema in community discourse. But as per my opinion, it's great change. I welcome it.

Edit: me talking about riven dispo

[u/xcfh55 → u/Copper_mask76r7]

Riven disposition getting nuked? Sure, that is actually awesome. Ammo efficiency getting capped at 75% with some infinite ammo exceptions? Yyyyhhhh mixed

[u/Mwkdnc]

My God they actually did it!! Hell yeeeees!!

[u/Valaxarian]

Holy actual shit. This is huge

[u/altruisticdisaster]

Holy shit I didn’t think they had it in them

[u/dwenzyy]

They actually did it. At long last.

[u/Omnispigot]

my baby Cedo Prime getting a massive upgrade, I gotta get me a cedo riven like NOW

[u/Fortesque96]

Capping ammo efficiency completely destroys the Amp builds created so far unless you buff Eternal Logistics to 100%, like with Arcane Pistoleer

the change for the disposition of the Riven mod is rly good but I'm disappointed about the ammo efficiency.

[u/LG03]

Rebecca lied about there being information here but ACID SHELLS sounds like it's going to be on the chopping block. RIP having a reason to use a non-incarnon weapon.

[u/Good_Educator_7832 → u/LG03]

ten more years of playing torid laetum praedos

[u/Ya_Sen_Pen → u/LG03]

Wait, what? They're killing acid shells?

[u/LG03 → u/Ya_Sen_Pen]

Paraphrasing but Rebecca said something to the effect of 'we're also looking at acid shells since that has come up a lot alongside ammo efficiency, there will be more on that in the workshop'.

So yes, it's getting gutted in some fashion.

[u/Ya_Sen_Pen → u/LG03]

Oh, I don't envy DE at slightest. The shitstorm, which touching acid shells will arise, shall be of immence size and stink

[u/Agentbla → u/LG03]

Yeah 100% agreed. Ever since 2023ish, all we've gotten is more busted incarnons and weapons that arent even worth grinding for because they cant keep up with all the busted incarnons.

And now the only regular weapon that can is getting the chopping block :/.

[u/Serbatollo]

My Sporelacer's about to feel the power

[u/flash_baxx]

Holding onto my old Bramma and Zarr rivens paid off.

[u/Useless-Spy]

Just throwing it out here: imo a slightly better deal would be if ammo efficiency sources stacked multiplicatively with each other. Ex: 50% from riven, 60% from crux would give 80% instead of 110%.

[u/Nssheepster]

All weapons get equal treatment, giving us more control when balancing old and new weapons

This line, right here - That BETTER mean you're actually going to be doing something balance wise about old weapons. Otherwise this is a trash excuse.

[u/Pumpkns → u/Nssheepster]

Incarnons, Incarnons everywhere

[u/Bandit_Raider]

Ammo efficiency cap is just the wrong approach… why are they not addressing what caused this problem which was the riven stats itself.

Now we’re just getting an operator nerf for no reason.

[u/VacaRexOMG777]

If only they released this information 2 days ago, spent 9 forma on the normal sobek cause of the higher dispo compared to the kuva variant 😭

But man, no more riven disposition is HUGE!

[u/No_Butterscotch_7356]

Pistoleer still does it's thing so everythings ok

[u/Doomweapon6 → u/No_Butterscotch_7356]

Assuming they don't change it to fix the "bug" with it, then all it does is just send anyone who really like infinite ammo spam back to the Arcane Pistoleer spam strat over the Primary Crux spam. And realistically the ammo efficiency cap doesn't fundamentally fix the issues DE was running into that caused this nerf to begin with (infinite ammo Acceltra and Nightwatch Ogris spam causing performance issues) so I don't understand why this nerf even had to be put in place in general when 99% of the weapons across the game don't change too much from infinite ammo.

Then again, I'm not DE and DE has always had a track record of regarded nerfs (i.e. I thought back to Scarlet Spear with DE trying to remove Khora's ability to heal defense objects, getting BTFO'd by their own tooltips, and then having to soft rework all healing abilities because of it) so this was par for the course.

+1 to DE's track record of "doing without thinking or testing thoroughly enough first."

[u/ScribScrob]

My only real question, and maybe it was answered but I didn't see it: why wasnt multiplicative ammo efficiency considered here? Does it not solve the problems that are presented while also minimizing the damage that an ammo efficiency cap brings with it?

[u/Persies → u/ScribScrob]

Probably because ammo efficiency doesn't scale linearly as you approach 100% It may have been possible to still get too high even with multiplicative ammo efficiency. 

[u/RandomPaladinsNub]

All of this because zar could shoot without reloading is insane

Honestly just surprised they didn't make ammo efficiency multiplicative with eachother and called it a day

[u/Voxmasher]

Honestly, finally. Riven disposition was dumb since the decrease removal. If the system wasn't updated at all, why keep it and ruin anything new that comes out? Win/win in my books. And hey, a lot of weapons actually gets a small buff here as well

[u/Dont-Die-Wonderinggg]

HOLLLLYYY SHITT THIS IS AMAZINGGGGGGGG

[u/SidtheCatfish]

I've waited so much time for gram prime riven dispo to change Oh my goddddd yesssssssss

[u/Shaclo]

Exergis riven disposition goes up 0.1 lets fucking go

[u/YukonCorns]

So I should use my riven splicer now and I’ll get another on Thursday plus kuva ?

[u/Hxckerr]

I just realized this effectively nerfs the Operator Phahd Scaffold + Eternal Logistics spam build too. 🫩

[u/Flashtirade]

Retiring dispositions is the right choice, but I am gonna miss my Tenacious Bond-enabling godroll for the Prime Death Machine Rifle. To think its base crit chance is a single percent short from making it out okay.

[u/BurningPenguin6]

I am extremely relieved to see that the Basmu, among many other weapons I enjoy using with Riven mods, won't have their riven disposition completely stomped by this change, especially after having spent a considerable amount of Kuva, Endo, Credits, and in some cases Platinum, to make the weapons effective.
A few weapons I use end up getting their disposition nerfed from this change, but those weapons didn't need Rivens to be fantastic anyways.

While I understand its going to suck for a lot of people, I believe this is ultimately the healthiest direction to go with Rivens.

Thank you very much for all your hard work, DE.

[u/SnooSuggestions5271]

Finally my low dispo rivens will shine

[u/Asteria19]

phenmor, laetum, felarx 0% crit chance ggs

[u/slidingice → u/Asteria19]

Well I mean you already could do that. I have a laetum riven that already goes 0% but will now be guaranteed if you roll -cc

[u/Grrumpy_Pants]

Kuva and Splicers needs to be given to players for each ammo efficiency riven they've rolled. A lot of players are not having their time respected with this "compensation".

200k kuva is less than 30 rolls with a locked stat, and many players will have used more than 1 splicer on splicing ammo efficiency.

DE made the mistake of introducing it in a state they weren't happy with, they should do right by the players who invested resourced into it.

[u/AdKind841]

the conspicuously missing Torid:

[u/JMxG]

Unexpected nerf to already not stellar weapons like Boltor and AX-52 is so unnecessary man. Genuinely so disappointed with this change, it was never a problem and Rivens didn’t mess with that at all

[u/gk99 → u/JMxG]

That's where I'm at. The AX-52 is my main, general use primary. I can't believe an exception wasn't made for it, Biotic Rounds + Primary Crux was its whole deal that made it viable enough to be fun.

There is now officially no reason to use it instead of a Soma Prime. At least with the infinite ammo Rivens it was arguably far more convenient to acquire, like the little brother of it.

1. Both capped at 75% efficiency, which Primary Crux alone will get you to within 15% of on the Soma Prime.
2. Both have identical dispositions, so there's no buff from that.
3. Soma Prime has the exclusive Hata-Satya augment, versus the Band-Aid fix that is Biotic Rounds.
4. Soma Prime has a far more impressive maximum effective magazine size.
5. Soma Prime has an incarnon.

The "they're going to put in a global efficiency cap and ruin the AX-52" doomer crowd was right. Like what's the balance plan now? Actually buff things that need buffs? Because we can't even get past Ember's recency bias on that front.

[u/CPUsCantDoNothing]

The only downside for me on this is that it wrecks the reasons why I made incarnin mk-1 weapons and forma'd them over the other variants.

[u/insanitybit2]

> Devshorts 120 Update: Rebecca mentioned that we had news on Acid Shells changes in this Dev Workshop. We can confirm that changes are coming, but we do not have final details to share in this Dev Workshop. Please look to our hotfix patch notes for more information when it launches.

Sigh.

I'm honestly happy with the riven stuff and everything else. Losing acid shells will be annoying.

[u/Dark_Jinouga]

RIP Pistoleer, but the riven change is massive, holy shit.

100k kuva is stingy as hell though, I wasted way more than that on my exergis riven :(

EDIT: Rejoice, I cannot read! the new wording removes the percentage for efficiency, so I read the proc chance as the efficiency, derp

[u/RPuke → u/Dark_Jinouga]

isnt it just a wording change? infinite ammo instead of 102% AE now

unless i am misunderstanding that

[u/Dragonis_Prime → u/Dark_Jinouga]

*Not* RIP Pistoleer, Pistoleer has been changed to Infinite Ammo at the same chance at max rank. Pistoleer is effectively unchanged.

[u/M0RPH1N3_ → u/Dark_Jinouga]

Pistoleer max ranked is functionally unchanged?

[u/dwenzyy → u/Dark_Jinouga]

Pistoleer is gonna stay the same, they changed the wording on it

[u/TempestM → u/Dark_Jinouga]

Wdym, Pistoleer is still basically 100% on trigger

[u/Itri_Vega]

I am so excited about the riven dispo change, pretty much all weapons I like and have rivens for get boosted. This is a net win for me.  The ammo efficiency thing largely seems fair. I kinda dreaded another bramma nerf of death situation. 

Thanks, guys!

[u/Mecenary020]

Genuinely fantastic changes, thank you

Yeah my furis is like 5% weaker now but so many weapons got buffed here that I dont feel like I'm wasting time by playing with newer weapons that have low dispos

[u/SecondTheThirdIV]

Oh wow. I'd written off rivens years ago and so haven't engaged with splicers or the new 6 player 'not' raids at all. Getting rid of dispositions is massive though, finally a reason to engage

[u/SnailWhoLovesMud]

rip verglas +2 -1 cc, you will be missed

[u/CheeseyconnorYT]

Does anyone know/have any idea how the 75% ammo efficiency cap from rivens will interact with primary crux? Will it be like additive where 60% of the 25% left from the riven will be affected or will it just take the higher number

[u/SketchyCharacters → u/CheeseyconnorYT]

It'll be additive with your riven mod, up to the cap of 75% now.

[u/Khelleton]

Why not just lower the amount of ammo efficiency from the new rivens instead of nerfing the whole stat for a problem that rivens caused? The only weapon that could really take advantage of it before rivens was the AX-52, specifically while hip firing. That could get to 100%, which wasn't broken at all. I want my funny meme build back :(

[u/Doomweapon6 → u/Khelleton]

There was a couple weapons other than AX-52 that could take advantage of those AE rivens (Boltor incarnon and Dera Incarnon are the main 2 I know of) but yeah, 99% of the weapons across the entire game when given infinite ammo don't fundamentally change and they don't even do anything to cause issues either.

My understanding is this entire nerf to ammo efficiency is because of a few "bad apple" weapons like Nightwatch Ogris and Acceltra causing lag with infinite ammo (which if we're being honest, that was already possible in fissures with the infinite ammo buff or when paired with Arcane Pistoleer so I'm not entirely certain why this is more of an issue now). This just comes across as a kneejerk reaction from DE to fix a problem they themselves caused because they didn't think enough/test enough before doing it and this kneejerk reaction, at best, doesn't help 99% of the weapons across the game.

[u/Khelleton → u/Doomweapon6]

Yep, a knee jerk reaction is exactly what it is. Just nerf the thing that caused the problem, not a bunch of other shit by proxy!