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u/Curious-Research-559 10h ago

The closest a can think is 40k, but everyone is bad in that setting

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u/panteradelnorte 9h ago

Surprised there aren’t more “40K themed trope” comments in here.

“Good by virtue that the enemy is worse” is the Imperium to a tee (with the exception of the Tau).

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u/StrawberryWide3983 9h ago

Honestly, I'd argue the Imperium are the 3rd most evil faction, with only Chaos and Drukhari being any worse and everyone else being tied or better

Orks and Tyranids don't count. One is a hivemind that only cares about hunger. Orks are a biological weapon. You can call war evil as a concept, but a gun or a tank have no morality as tools

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u/BlaxicanXIX 9h ago

Both factions have sentience so it's perfectly fair to call them evil. They are just evil by nature rather than through choice, but that doesn't diminish their evil. 

It's not like either faction are just forces of nature. Both the hive mind and orks are aware on a conscious level that their actions are causing others harm and the people that they are fighting against are unwilling participants, they just don't care.

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u/Tight_Pineapple1246 9h ago

Orks actually enjoy inflicting pain and killing things, they're messed up.

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u/FuckingVeet 7h ago

Everyone thinks of the orks as the goofy space hooligans that love a scrap. That is part of what they are, but they also take captives that they enslave, torture, hunt for sport or simply eat, often while still alive. Orks are brutal, but they are also sadistic on a level that is only regularly exceeded by the Drukhari, Slaaneshi Daemons, Night Lords and Emperor's Children.

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u/Skipp_To_My_Lou 6h ago

Brutal Kunnin'

You get the chapters from an orky POV & it's all 'avin some laffs wif da lads. Then you get a Mechanicus POV chapter & it's like OMNISSIAH SAVE US FROM THE XENO MONSTERS & you remember that a regular ork boy is roughly the size & strength of a Space Marine & twice as mean.

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u/PM_ME_UR__SECRETS 8h ago

Is there evidence of the Tyranids being aware they are causing pain and suffering, and not simply acting on instinct from a perspective that can think and plan but simply has no concept of empathy? I always assumed they were like the Typhon (from Prey 2017) in that way.

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u/freedomonke 8h ago edited 8h ago

The genestealer cults are abundant evidence of this, yes. They know what they're doing.

And that was long established.

More recently, the Hive Mind has been depicted personally. And it is an extremely emotional being that takes vengeance and even recognizes and has thoughts about individual beings.

It's basically comparable to a chaos god or the emperor

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u/PM_ME_UR__SECRETS 8h ago

Ah, I kind of forgot about them. Admittedly they're the faction I probably know the least lore about

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u/Silly_Poet_5974 9h ago

So the hive mind is evil, it is sapient and it hates.

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u/Mammoth_Macaroon_359 9h ago

Tyranids are explicitly evil. We've gotten the POV of The Hive Mind and is fully sapient and malicious.

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u/Can_Haz_Cheezburger 9h ago

Well then there's only five factions (Aeldari, Tau, Chaos, Drukhari, Imperium) and the Imperium can thus also be considered 3rd best (I'd say 2nd because the Aeldari, depending on the writing, can be really fucking stupid)

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u/Bakkster 9h ago

Robot zombie space Egyptian Necrons have entered the chat.

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u/Can_Haz_Cheezburger 9h ago

sonuvabitch I knew I forgot someone

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u/Odinsmana 9h ago

Also Leagues of Votann. Though it`s understandable to forget that one.

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u/AleksandrNevsky 9h ago

GW itself seems to forget about them.

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u/Lonely-Programmer123 5h ago

GW has forgotten about most things to be fair. Attention given to the blueberries and overpriced plastic toys are the only two constant in the life of this company.

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u/YourAverageGenius 8h ago edited 6h ago

Leagues ot Votann are the newest faction, and by proxy of that (and also GW being GW), they really don't have THAT much lore, and ATM they're essentially Deep Rock Galactic Dwarves but they're all bio-engineered clones that worship huge ancestor supercomputer AIs that hold all the memory of every dwarf but run on Windows Vista so they can barely operate after tens of thousands of years of server time.

So overall they're arguably one of the least evil factions.

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u/MossGobbo 2h ago

Ehhhh Squats aren't new though.

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u/Hesstig 2h ago

Squats weren't a faction, the Leagues are

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u/YourAverageGenius 2h ago

The Votann only really resemble the squats in name, form, and basic lore. Since 40k was just Warhammer Fantasy in Space, the Squats were really just the wacky Sci-Fi take on Fantasy's Dwarfs that quickly fell behind as 40k quickly became much more independent from Fantasy.

Just take a quick comparison at the 40k Squat models and the modern Votann models, there's a very clear difference.

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u/FlamingWings 1h ago

Necrons aren’t that evil, they are just a bunch of dicks especially Trazyn

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u/Bakkster 1h ago

That's kind of my point. Pushes the Imperium more towards the evil end (not that the Necrons aren't also an empire xenociding the galaxy, they're just older).

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u/red_faux17 5h ago

tbf, withing the aeldari there is also the harlequins and ynnari who are their won distinct cultures and factions, just without rules support anymore

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u/Loud-Scarcity6213 9h ago

They eat people alive bro

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u/DubiousBusinessp 7h ago

Pretty sure lorewise, psychic attempts to glimpse the hivemind have revealed an actual malevolence beyond just hunger

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u/DreamerOfUlthwe 8h ago

the hive mind is actually aware of what it does, think its in valedor or its accompanying short story wraithflight. but it feels concepts like hate & desire for revenge, its well aware of what it does & how much suffering it inflicts. it wants to torture the main character & make them relive thousands of agonizing deaths for daring to combat it when it was about to feed on a human world.

orks tho yeah they seem to just be having a laugh

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u/inedibleAlan 7h ago

just because tyranids aren't aware the'yre trying to devour the whole universe and that's bad doesn't make them any less bad

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u/SmallJimSlade 6h ago

The humble ork rancher has entered the chat