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“Misogyny is the white wallpaper of the manosphere.” — James Bloodworth, journalist and author, discussing how anti-women rhetoric became normalized in online men’s spaces.
Ironclad to protect women and the children they give birth to. Also recognise the cost of said children and the toll childbirth and carrying a child may have on a woman’s body.
It would be interesting to see what price a man is willing to pay via his marriage contract and prenup for the unique experience of having a woman carry, birth and potentially raise his child/children…
I was only talking about money and property for prenups, but equal consideration for custody is also something that needs to happen instead of default giving custody to the mother.
This is so damn accurate. It’s like a bot will repel down from the roof the very second certain topics are broached just to unfurl a #not all men banner.
In topics where a women’s victimization was being discussed, I was suddenly attacked for not discussing and condemning similar assaults made on men by women. It was mystifying, in how it assumed that women were tacitly endorsing such crimes when the thread was universally and unequivocally saying “sexual assault is bad in all cases”. They were desperate to have people derail the conversation of a woman’s assault to talk about men instead.
Women expect men to be stronger than them. Vulnerability is punished, identity is disregarded. That’s why the idea of a “fragile male ego” is popular. It’s when a man is not fulfilling the archetypical expectations of society.
I think these memes are great… except it spotlights for me … that women are not allowed to teach men. Maya Angelou asks what we’re teaching our daughters and for forty years we’ve been teaching them to be brave, to take care of themselves, to pursue their dreams, to embrace their fierce energy. But no one has taught the boys anything because the men in charge haven’t contributed a thing to the discussion except backlash … Don’t like your life? Don’t know where you fit? Society’s promises to you ring hollow? Blame the women. Blame the gays. Blame the global majority.
Good on you. A lot of people don’t raise their children. They provide for them, fight for them to have the best, but they don’t actually “raise” them. ETA first sentence.
That’s good, too! 🤣 But this got me thinking—what should we teach men? Be independent? (Hell yeah, because they’re so damn submissive to other men.) Be curious? (Cuz they think they have all the answer). Embrace empathy? What else …
Their worth is not wrapped up in sexual "conquests"—there is so much more to men than that. It is okay to express feelings of sadness, fear, or disappointment without it turning into anger. (<-- women should hear this, too, but society tells men more than woman that anger is the only acceptable "masculine" outward expression of all of these emotions.)
> Their worth is not wrapped up in sexual "conquests"
Yeah, THIS. It's so important to teach this to young boys. Because many issues manosphere is weaponizing stem from the fact that people look at male-female relationships as some sort of competition.
Men are objectified as purses and breeders but what confuses me the most it's men who love it and cling on it.
Women fought so hard not to be dishwashers, washing machines and baby makers. It took so long to achieve that and it's not exactly universal. I don't know maybe men haven't been hurting as long as women have to come to a realization that it's better to be a human than a thing. Maybe they only unhappy to be purses and breeders then there is no dishwashers, washing machines and baby makers at home.
I hope I'm wrong and men will get better. Some have started to complain about it even if they are directing this anger to wrong crowd.
I think a lot of the issue is that women who are in positions to teach boys are not taken seriously. Have you seen the way that “masculine” boys behave in the classroom?? As soon as girls started being allowed in schools and doing better than boys it was suddenly below them.
What are you talking about? Women make up the vast majority of teachers. Men already have experience with women teaching then, and in many cases, they end up getting drugged, and/or told they "should act more like girls", which is not natural or healthy for us. Why would we go for round 2 as adults?
If anything the manosphere says “don’t like your life, don’t know where you fit, societies promises ring hollow? It’s probably your fault, take some accountability and better yourself.” But that’s essentially vocal terrorism to women.
The men in charge were literally trying to contribute. Women protested men’s suicide awareness events, men’s abuse shelters, and men’s mental health day, all while claiming they are the predominant child caretakers but also somehow not responsible for how the boys turned out because apparently you can only raise someone of the same gender.
You can teach men. But you don’t. You choose to actively protest against their issues then claim they don’t exist
Well now we’re having everyone calling for the shut down of fraternities. People think that when men group together they’re just inherently violent, dangerous, or unsafe so they have to shut down the whole idea of organization of men all together.
That’s the point. We recognize men as dangerous, but only to the point of blaming women, immigrants, brown people, poor people, or any other group we want to discriminate against.
Otherwise, it’s hateful or wrong to say groups of men are dangerous and protest against them (simultaneously, she should have known better than to be with a group of men, what did she expect? /s).
We will put harsh restrictions on those groups before we ever were to put any blanket legislation or restriction on just “men” as a group.
Why do you think we wanted liberation in the first place?
Did you think women would treat basic human rights like a weekend in Vegas, have a hurrah, and then go back to being enslaved?
Why did you prefer your grandmother to legally be a second-class citizen? Was your grandfather too pathetic to attract a woman if he didn't get to own one?
Why should women conform to social norms that actively enslaved us? Just because men constantly show their bellies to men higher up on the food chain doesn't mean women are that naturally submissive.
You had your liberation because you never fought nor earned anything, therefore didn't deserve more.
And yet, you received your liberation on a silver platter. Now you're entitled to the world, drunk and deluded on a victim complex. Wonder why you haven't earned shit for yourselves before.
...and? That's biological function. A woman would've birthed me regardless if she was liberated or not, same as they did throughout the entire human history.
It's clear you're not well equipped enough to carry a conversation.
Any woman can spread her legs, get fucked, then birth a new human roughly 9 months later. You can't do it alone. Never have, never will. Throughout history, those are the 9 riskiest months of a woman's life. Reduced mobility, endurance, very vulnerable, mostly incapable of fending for themselves. The man did that. The men took care of them, constructed shelter for them, brought them food, washed them, comforted them, provided and nurtured.
Same in modern day society, where most if not all the logistical chains and facilities that women benefit from were created and maintained by men.
The relationship between men and women is a mutually beneficial, complementary one. Purely synergistic in nature. The only parasites around are "people" like you that can't process the world around them accurately, so they reinvent it in their heads. You're not a victim and you have no virtue.
You clearly are a misandrist. Which really confuses me if you consider yourself a feminist. How does treating and speaking to men as lesser than, you help your cause in any way?
My grandma was a second class citizen because she was being oppressed by fascists, and instead of whining to men to fix her problems for her. She joined partisan movement and fought on front lines with my grandfather.
Then she didn't whined about social norms enslaving her, because she was a fair and just woman, and social norms were fair and just. Instead she raised five children with her husband and she got to enjoy all privileges which came with those social norms.
Modern women chose to reject those social norms. Okay, you go and do as you please.
Why the fuck do you keep nagging for the privileges you do not deserve anymore?
They were never fair or just: they just extracted from women to give to men.
If my grandma was alive she would had laughed at your face. She wasn't a victim, she was a fighter. She wasn't being extracted, she was providing for her family with her husband, and then she was being provided for by her family.
Who is going to provide for you when you become old?
Government by extracting from kids other people raised.
You think that is fair?
Why do you think you are owed a slave?
You feminists really have some weird fetish about being dominated by men. Your most watched porn category is men dominating women.
I'm not interested in those kinks, I don't want a slave.
Why couldn't your grandfather raise the children? Could she legally say "No, I am not in the mood tonight?" Could she go do something just for herself without someone else demanding she do work for them so they didn't have to?
Why do you think a life of drudgery to someone who is statistically likely to be less intelligent than you is desirable at all?
The entire point of a government is to provide for all the citizens living under it, not for it to behave like a man and extract all the labor and value out of its citizenry to make itself more comfortable.
I don't know why some women are into domination porn. I also don't know why men love to brag about being parasites.
Why couldn't your grandfather raise the children? Could she legally say "No, I am not in the mood tonight?" Could she go do something just for herself without someone else demanding she do work for them so they didn't have to?
Grandfather had his hands full working in shipyard, commuting and fishing to get additional income. If grandmother had to do those things then you would cry a river for how much she had to work. And of course grandmother could do all those things, she wasn't a slave, they were partners.
Why do you think a life of drudgery to someone who is statistically likely to be less intelligent than you is desirable at all?
Well don't be a SAHM, and don't be a SAHM to a guy less intelligent then you. Duh.
Also today we have electricity, running water, wash machine, dishwasher machine, drying machine, robot vacuum cleaners. I'm single and I do all my chores quickly and easily, why would I want a woman staying in home all day to do those?
The entire point of a government is to provide for all the citizens living under it, not for it to behave like a man and extract all the labor and value out of its citizenry to make itself more comfortable.
You want a government to take from others and provide from you. To play the role of village with none of the downsides.
Also proves my point about feminists being deeply unfair.
I don't know why some women are into domination porn.
I's the most liked porn category for women.
You are obsessed with it, always talking about being slaves, being oppressed, forced into sex. You fetishize history into being some version of The Handmaid's Tale.
You suddenly switch conversations to "oh why would you want me to be your slave. Would I be allowed to say no to sex?"
Individualistic people have to chose between raising children and being financial stable.
Grandparents gave me a home and position in family business so I really wouldn't know about the struggles of people which are horrified of oppressive traditional lifestyle.
Ever think about doing something about serving your own interests instead of expecting a woman to do the work??
I tried looking this fact up but all the results were about mothers fighting to end the draft for their sons, anti draft movements, and debates to keep women out of the army due to sexism. I don’t doubt that many women would be against adding women to the draft, if they are against the draft
To be fair the draft (Selective Service) thing is way more complicated then just men vs women. The big misconception is that it was tied to voting rights, that was not the original idea behind it. Voting rights were tied to race, gender, and owning property, not Selective Service.
Since the votes on this in 2016,2021, and 2024 do not signify gender of those who voted its basically impossible to tell. But each time adding women to the selective service requirement has come up it gets shot down. There is a cross section of people shooting it down for various reasons including religion, and even opposing anyone being in Selective Service.
So some reference to get more in depth. I will add the following.
Support for including women came from lawmakers (including female Democrats and some Republicans like Rep. Chrissy Houlahan, an Air Force veteran who sponsored the 2021 House amendment) who argued that full military equality means equal civic obligations.
Opposition or reluctance came from a mix of conservative lawmakers (male and female) who opposed expanding the draft entirely or objected to conscripting women on traditional or religious grounds, as well as some progressive/anti-war groups and lawmakers who preferred abolishing the Selective Service System altogether rather than expanding it
If you actually care about history you'd know feminist made it possible for women to enter army in the first place. It's men who want male only conscription. That's why current government in US is kicking out all that don't fit into "a man" category.
If you're going to lie at least make it believable.
Clearly every night when his mom tucked him into bed she whispered in his ear “you deserve to be drafted when you grow up, and I’m going to make sure of that while also working against women having the same national obligations because men are scum.”
I mean obviously, or else how else would pointing out that the male draft exists have literally anything to do with what women taught him as a kid 🤷♀️
If I recall, I believe feminists movements were actually heavily against conscription specifically. Basically if you want soldiers to your war, there should be enough incentive to join rather than be forced into it.
There was literally a study done in the UK where boys and girls were given disgusting food and had to tell the woman who made it what they thought.
The average 5 year old girl knew to hem and haw, and work around how gross it was to spare the other persons feelings. The average 5 year old boy told the woman who made the food how gross it was, didn’t listen when she tried to explain why it was gross and had zero empathy when it was pointed out that they had hurt her feelings.
Maybe it’s that boys and men on average don’t actually listen to women and have very little empathy for women to begin with.
Both genders have the same capacity for empathy, yes. And yes, small children are incredibly self focused, which is why the study was to show what socialization was already in place by age 5 when it comes to empathy.
Girls/women are socialized to put everyone else’s feelings above themselves, even at a detriment to their own well being.
Boys/men are socialized to put their feelings above anyone else, even when they know they could be hurting someone.
This is the video of some reactions per the study, if you’re interested:
We should be teaching all children that kindness matters but should not come at the expense of yourself. Women have been curbing this for little girls for decades now. Men should be doing the same for little boys.
Editing to also say- it’s a pillar of the patriarchy that men should be stoic and don’t need to be supported. It is a tenet of feminism to dismantle that.
Some feminists decided that biology doesn't matter and all these differences are due to social conditioning. Ignoring all science like some kind of flat earthers or anti-vaxers.
Men do have 50% higher baseline serotonin levels in brains.
Serotonin effects are, mood stabilization, it helps reduce anxiety, feelings of depression, and overall emotional distress. Lowers sensitivity to losses, punishments, or unpleasant stress outcomes.
So boys care less about these negative outcomes, punishment, unpleasant stress. And behave more like little jerks.
And girls which care more about these negative outcomes, punishment, unpleasant stress. Are more disciplined,
Then puberty comes and throw in some testosterone for the boys. Now they become competitive too and take risks.
These feminists which ignore science whine about us conditioning boys into being assertive and becoming rich CEO's, while girls are being curbed.
Not, boys are simply primed into being assertive, taking risks which does make them climb into positions of CEO's.
But also due to these behaviors men are way more likely to end up homeless or in prison.
Feminists are not complaining about the lack of diversity in prisons.
But socialization is a huge part of it, you can’t deny that.
And you can TEACH boys to stop and think. Is what I’m about to do ok? Is what I’m about to say ok? How will my actions and words affect those around me?
I think, for boys and men especially, we excuse a lot of behavior by saying “they’re just like that”, completely ignoring that as a species we overcome our biology all the time with socialization. I’m a woman who has been socialized into the “girl boss” because of the effect of feminists and women in the 90s. I was socialized to value myself more than others.
I’m a woman who has been socialized into the “girl boss” because of the effect of feminists and women in the 90s. I was socialized to value myself more than others.
And now you want us to raise boys into being considerate, kind...
Fuck that shit.
These are liberal times. We reject those old traditional, conservative social norms, which oppress young men with expectations of kindness, chivalry consideration and all those other dark age bullshit.
We liberate men from those. We raise them into men bosses, we teach them to value themselves more then others.
You could make the argument that this shows that women have a tendency to lie and be dishonest in order to avoid uncomfortable social situations, and that men lack that compulsion.
Men teach boys not to listen to women. It's impossible task already on top of teachers having to deal with massive classrooms, low funding, mixed ability classes and tiny salaries.
Fathers and men are failing boys and only father and men can fix it.
It's not the norm. Rather the opposite, universities still use men's work for about 90% of the curriculum, and anti-women propaganda is on the rise both on social media and in politic trends. Men just need a reason to feel like victims in a system design by and for them.
They talk about how men have oppressed women to highlight the challenges that women have faced. Science is a great example of how women have just been wiped from the record but actually had very significant contributions to the field. It’s because men didn’t want to give women rights. This is an objective take and if you find it offensive then that says a lot about you. Criticizing the oppressor doesn’t make them the victim.
I can't speak for the guy above but I don't think what you are saying is false, I just don't think it applies anymore?
At least its not as common as it was or as common as they make it out to be. Not only are there plenty of women in power and plenty of women behind papers and research but there's actually no way to prevent a lot of women from doing their paper and research unlike before. You can just publish the thing right now and sue if some dude tries to steal ur thing.
Its a different matter if that was being disregarded cuz "its a woman".
Even you here are talking about the past in this reply "men didn't want to give women rights" ok sure but they have them now so are they just gonna use those rights to get back at men for the idk how much time of oppression? If the answer is yes then sure go ahead I suppose...
If you think women and men have an even playing field in society then you aren’t paying attention. Just because it isn’t as bad as it once was, doesn’t mean that we should just stop talking about it. Criticizing the oppressor doesn’t make them a victim. Discussing women’s issues is not getting back at men.
Thats not why I said that, I also did not mean to say that you in particular were hating something or that women(as a general) were getting back at men. No one is getting back at anything for the most part in this comment section but here's the thing, I am not good enough with words to explain things if thats not obvious enough but lets use this example:
-Theres an oppressor group and and oppressed group
-Oppressed group manages to get power either because oppressor group allows them or there's some sort of change(i believe it was the industrial revolution but eh).
-There is some semblance of balance going on but as always there's the extremists and the people who want things to go back to their advantage in the oppressor group and the people who understandably have the grudge in the oppressed group(or simply go to far with things despite having good reasons)
-The oppressed are allowed to push through and get things out of balance, mainly out of a fear of speaking out by the previous oppressors due to guilt. Doesn't really matter the reason.
The result of this is that the extremists in the oppressor group are now feeling validated and are using that as leverage to not only gain power but to bring things the way they were before.
Now this is not a man vs woman only thing, you can see this in a lot of things nowadays but to avoid politics I will stop here.
There are women who take things too far and they are validating the men who take things too far. This doesn't mean women are being mutilated or used as near slaves as they were before, yes there is oppression but when you tell someone in the US or Canada(can't speak for the rest of the world) that women are being treated like slaves and that the patriarchy this or that non stop they will get pissed off regardless of their values.
In my company alone, and I checked this before writing easily half if not more of the employees are female with 3 out of the (i think) 7 Chiefs of whatever being female. That's not the balance of someone being oppressed.
Anecdotal experience or not I don't think its a unique situation. Yes there's female oppression but no it doesn't require a massive conflict like its portrayed sometimes.
South America on the other hand... yeah you guys should probably fight for women down there, thats from experience.
We are counting as essay from eight years ago called ACADEMIA DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT MEN as a reliable source?
Let's look at the first two paragraphs:
There is no correct academic view of men in the contemporary world, and hence no theoretical vocabulary for considering them that seems anything other than wrong to most men, who deal with this fact by turning away and refusing to engage. This gives the talkers the mistaken impression that they have won the battle. They haven’t. Men have just walked away, usually in disgust, and at best with disinterest.
This is so because virtually all contemporary theoretical considerations of masculinity in North America are offshoots of feminist and “queer” or Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender (LGBT) theory, and indeed, are invariably housed in university departments of women’s studies as an add-on, where they are placed under the rubric of “gender studies.” Men are viewed as imperfect women, an interesting reversal of the way, according to Thomas Laqueur in “Solitary Sex,” women were medically viewed as versions of men from the Renaissance through the Victorians, with the clitoris a form of penis and the ovaries like oddly placed testicles.
This is the opposite of a non-biased source, regardless of country of origin.
Do you want me to link you to men killing women every single fucking day? Men are not victims of women. You’re fucking whining that you are being held to account
Too many men commiting suicide after a divorce for this to be true.
You REALLY do not want to take this discussion into the "accountability" thing.
This really is the main problem actually, we've been all out on the equality thin for decades. Unfortunately it seems accountability is holding up to responsabilities is still reserved for one gender.
It's showing a little too much for comfort at this point.
Re: the second to the last one, such a brocialist thing. They get angry if you claim that any discrimination other than economic exists and insist that real feminism focuses on the working man alone.
this whole gender war just feels like a pendulum to me. It initially swong too hard to one side, it kinda found balance for a bit then swong too hard to the other side... and now its coming back with the whole alpha male stuff going on.
Trying to calmly pick apart the intricacies and objective subtleties of a situation when the lizard brain underneath human instinct wants to rip things apart.
Its almost as if people (not unlike or even like yourself) have a complete inability to rationally approach the nuance of a situation when you're reeeeeeeeeeee'ing about something that has your knickers in a knot.
I'm so glad I stumbled in here. My gut hurts lmao - I guess we're all hypocrites sometimes.
I never understand this logic. People who do bad things aren't simply ignorant, as if someone had just explained the concept of consent they would have behaved. They know what they are doing is wrong and don't care, and think they can get away with it
Ah yes, the obligatory caricature of the Manosphere.
Notice how understanding intersexual dynamics, developing masculine competence, and questioning feminist narratives are conveniently repackaged as wanting "power over women."
This is how you delegitimize an argument without ever having to address it.
The Manosphere isn't a single ideology. It's an assortment of communities with different philosophies, disagreements, and objectives.
The Rational Male has never been about teaching men to control women. It's about teaching men to understand their own interests, recognize relationship dynamics, and develop an internal sense of value independent of female approval.
Emotional discipline isn't emotional repression. Financial independence isn't oppression. Physical fitness isn't misogyny. And refusing to pedestalize women isn't hatred.
But apparently, a man developing autonomy becomes threatening the moment he stops organizing his identity around female expectations.
The objective isn't power over women. It's sovereignty over yourself.
And that distinction seems to terrify the people writing these definitions.
Patriarchy hasn't since the enactment of no fault divorce and Trump is pro-women more than he is pro-men. I would even go as far as saying he's actually leaning more anti-male
Trump is anti-"everyone who isn't himself" tbh. Wouldnt ever go so far as to call him "pro-women" though LOL, very interested in hearing that reasoning please
Men are always hit the hardest by unstable job markets, job cuts and job shortages. Therefore, trump's reckless handling of the economy is an attack primarly on the male population
Female dominated jobs are much more resistant to becoming obsolete. Even if they do, employers will continue to hire women over men just to keep them from falling through the cracks, without any regard for men's wellbeing
In my area, male labor is much more desired than female labor. There are very few jobs I can think of in danger of becoming obsolete, and they're neither male nor female dominated. What jobs are you referring to?
What is this sub about, and is it for a specific demographic or group of people ( this sub randomly appeared here, and I want to make sure before I speak, I am in a place where having a mind of your own or speaking honestly is permitted or appropriate)
Yeah, but its more so wondering if this sub is an appropriate place.
Like if I am say pro vanilla ice cream on a vanilla ice cream hating sub, it wouldn't be an appropriate place.
Although given the "text tip" thats appearing as I write this, I am gussing this isnt a sub of free speech, healthy discussions, or open mindedness. So I am going to see myself out.
I think putting female neuroticism and narcissism over truth is how we got into this whole mess in the first place. Yes, I expect it will be downvoted too.
We don't know all evidence, but I am pretty sure I do know the truth whether it would have been better for Cornell girl to be mauled to death by a bear either way. I am also pretty sure the legal default is "innocent until proven guilty" for good reason.
Well it seems some people have a problem waiting, including OP. You might also say that if there is not even a criminal case, that among like 500 other things makes it implausible that those men will be found criminally guilty.
Its interesting that the femenist know their movement will not succed without buy in from men. Its a movement that ONLY works if men willingly share power/participate if men say no there is literally nothing women can do, When al queda regained power they just stripped women of all their rights and woman could do nothing about it. Feminist ideas will never work in Islam or Africa unless there is alot of bloodshed done by men in order to overthrow the "patriachy"The greatest Irony is that in the west the og femenists used the bible as the main argument, Christianty teaches men and woman are equal have equal worth because humans are made in the image of God, its speaks about free will and self autonmy Men/husbands should love their wives they way that Christ loves the church with a sacrificial love putting her needs first and so on.
Would have so much more respect for hardcore feminists if they more accurately called it a motherhood pay gap rather a gender pay gap, because its pretty clear that childless women match or exceed male income numbers by age group
I mean, any feminist I know believes that to be true tbh, me included. But also the patriarchy is very real and the manosphere/red pill/especially back pill content is so freaking harmful.
Maybe I am misunderstanding the word equality? I think equality should be for every instance. Every genders should be drafted if there is ever a war. Every genders should pay for dates. Every genders should have equal opportunities for high level positions. Every genders should have the right to vote, to have a say for their on body, etc.
Sure the manosphere and the patriarchy exists, but so do misandrists and the man hating women movement. You can’t call out the bad parts of one gender without calling out the other while maintaining equality
Every genders should be drafted if there is ever a war.
Nobody should be drafted. Feminists don't want anyone drafted. It's extremely weird to use this as a point against feminists considering we don't want anyone drafted, and the draft was created by men and is currently in place still because of other men. If feminists had the ability to change this, they would outright eliminate it. This is not a point against feminism, this is a point against men.
Every genders should pay for dates.
If you think feminists are pushing for men to pay for dates, then you know even less about feminism than I thought. The reason men pay for most dates historically is because the subjugation of women meant they had less economic freedom to pay for things like that. They were trapped by society and forced to marry men unless they wanted to live in squalor for the rest of their lives.
Every genders should have equal opportunities for high level positions.
Yes, they should, but they don't. How many CEOs or other high level executives are women? How many women have been president of the US? How many heads of state around the world are men vs women?
Every genders should have the right to vote, to have a say for their on body, etc.
... Yeah, how is this a point against feminism exactly? Considering the are foundational feminist beliefs?
Sure the manosphere and the patriarchy exists, but so do misandrists and the man hating women movement. You can’t call out the bad parts of one gender without calling out the other while maintaining equality
Feminism is about dismantling the patriarchy, not making sure every woman alive is nice to men. If you supposedly believe in equality so badly, why aren't you making sure every man is nice to women? Is that like an impossible task or something?
Because if you recognize that's impossible, then ask yourself why you expect feminists to do the same for women.
Incidentally, did you know that men who were against women's rights back in the 1800's accused suffragettes of the exact same thing?
Like, there's propaganda posters where the "evil suffragettes" cruelly force their innocent husbands to slavishly do household work because they hated men so much. (Like, there's layers of irony there.)
It's a very old and very tired accusation. Do better.
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u/OneBloodyDingo 10d ago
Split the check on dates and sign ironclad prenups.