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u/Redhotchiliman11 14d ago

The word is so misused that even contestants on jeopardy didn't know the word and it just means women deserve equal treatment to men.

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u/ZombieHavok 14d ago

Purposely misused by people who don’t want women to have equality and this misuse latched onto by the uneducated and deliberately ignorant so they can dismiss criticism of their skewed upbringings.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

No it is a movement dedicated solely to harming men and making women superior. Feminism never helps men EVER. In fact feminists actually STOP men from getting the help they need

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u/Redhotchiliman11 8d ago

Wow that's not the definition at all. What an idiot.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago edited 8d ago

The definition does not dictate the actions mate. Actions speak far louder than words and feminists actions harm men constantly. They get men's abuse shelters shut down assuming those shelters even get funding in the first place which feminists do not advocate to make happen. They shut down online spaces that are dedicated to helping men claiming they are misogynistic. They spread hashtags like "killallmen" (imagine if men had a hashtag like killallwomen and how quickly the person who came up with it would be banned from any and all social media) the list goes on and on and on if I listed everything we'd be here all day. Oh and btw the actual definition is "a women's rights campaign" nowhere in that definition does it say they want equality and they definitely DO NOT because equality means looking at your own privileges and saying "that's not fair to others" something that when it comes to men women refuse to do. They don't care about the suicide rates of men. That's literally all I have to say I don't even need to list the other issues the fact they don't care that thousands of men are taking their own lives every day proves all on its own feminists do not care about men

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u/Redhotchiliman11 8d ago

Buddy that's not feminist.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago edited 8d ago

No it is feminist. You just refuse to accept it. Feminism like it's name suggests is ONLY about getting more rights and privileges for WOMEN. Men are only on the radar to be torn down and slapped with a sweeping generalization that normalizes hating men for just existing. Feminists do NOTHING that directly helps men ever the only things they've done that helped men were because helping men were byproducts of their fight to help women and they couldn't rig it to only help women. The FBI definition of rape doesn't include female on male rape and no feminist is advocating for it to do that. The penetration definition only happened because a massive portion of the violence against women was ignored under the old definition. That's it that's why they changed it. The paternity leave push was originally only about maternity leave until they found out pushing for that only made women less competitive in the work place. And the claim they are the reason the draft is inactive is just a flat out lie

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u/Redhotchiliman11 8d ago

Nope you're wrong and continue to be wrong. Some female must have really hurt you.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

Yes women have done nothing but harm men. My mother beat me as a child and yet I knew even then not to report it because it wouldn't be taken seriously. Her friend made inappropriate comments TO A CHILD and my mother laughed it off

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u/Redhotchiliman11 8d ago

Sounds like you need therapy instead of just hating women friend. Sounds like maybe you might have been abused and that's caused some issues with you and you should go work on yourself.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

I don't hate women. I'm just not stupid enough to believe they care about men. And I have gone to therapy and I only managed to get female therapists who said all kinds of nonsense about how it's MY fault. And how I am a potential abuser so I deserved it

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u/Ok_Being5461 14d ago edited 14d ago

It IS misused constantly. The word means advocacy for women's interests, under the rationale of equality, but not necessarily, as there are numerous counterexamples. The word for advocating for equal treatment is egalitarianism and humanism

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u/TravellingPatriot 14d ago

Thats just called egalitarianism

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u/Redhotchiliman11 14d ago

No it's not

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u/WalkMan1615 14d ago

Except egalitarians are ahistorical people who think the universe started in 2000. I literally only hear that word when people talk about feminism. Sure the definition is the same but I rarely see “egalitarians” defend women lol.

I don’t see egalitarians at town hall meetings or being politically active. They don’t really care about equality.

It’s just a word to deflect from people who actual want equality: feminists.

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u/TravellingPatriot 14d ago

Because you dont anecdotally ‘see’ something you believe it not to occur?

Fact of the matter theres no privileges/rights that men enjoy that women dont.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago edited 8d ago

We aren't at town hall meetings because if we dare speak up for men at all we are threatened. We want TRUE equality and that means speaking up for men too. And all that gets us is threats and violence directed towards us. We aren't ahistorical we know what women went through for thousands of years we just don't let that skew our stance at all: EVERYONE deserves justice EVERYONE needs to be helped and EVERYONE needs to work together to achieve it. One group having it worse doesn't mean you ignore another groups suffering PERIOD

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u/WalkMan1615 8d ago

Feminists get criticized and threatened all the time but they care about their cause enough to get past it. You say you’re not being ahistorical but your comment says otherwise. That’s all I’ll say on that matter.

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u/Redhotchiliman11 8d ago

That dudes soft don't listen to him. Just hates women and think men just have it absolutely shitty.

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u/3776356272 14d ago

No, this isn’t what feminism means. And I don’t understand why so many feminists try to reduce it to this and then wonder why it doesn’t work as a framework for understanding gender.
Feminism is better understood as a set of different frameworks, some of them mutually incompatible, concerned with gendered power imbalances, gender identity, and the analysis of misogyny according to particular theoretical and methodological commitments.
Simply defining feminism as “the notion that women are people and deserve equal rights” is a form of definitional reduction, and it’s simply wrong. You can’t collapse a vast array of competing methodologies, diagnoses, and proposed remedies into one uncontroversial slogan and then treat that slogan as an adequate definition of the entire tradition.
Moreover, the normative claim that “women are people and deserve equal rights” is not uniquely feminist. It can be grounded in classical liberalism, utilitarianism, various human rights frameworks, and other political and ethical traditions.
Honestly, it’s frustrating to see online feminists constantly reducing a complex body of thought to simplistic slogans. If anything, that kind of reductionism makes it harder to have a serious discussion about what feminism actually argues, how its different frameworks disagree with one another, and what those frameworks are actually trying to accomplish.

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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 14d ago

I'd like to add that feminism is a framework that is predominantly occupied with analysing and dismantling harmful patriarchal power structures.

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u/Far_Presentation9181 11d ago

I will believe that when the feminist movement starts holding women accountable for perpetuating the patriarchy by wanting men to ask women out first or for paying for the first date.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

Unless those structures harm men in which case "fuck men because they are evil"

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u/Jolly_Efficiency7237 8d ago

You didn't read Bell Hooks.

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

I actually have read Bell Hooks. Doesn't change anything. Feminism is not about helping men. Only women their actions consistently prove this. Even every claim that they make about "well we got this thing put in place" only happened because the focus was on women. The FBI changing the definition of rape still doesn't include female on male violence in it's definition only penetration and that was solely because women were unhappy about how many of the sex crimes against women were going unpunished thanks to the old definition. The claim they killed the draft is just a flat out lie. And the idea that they pushed for paternity leave is only partially true at first they only pushed for MATERNITY leave. The only reason they switched to paternity is because sticking strictly to maternity leave made women less competitive in the workplace. So as always Feminism stays true to it's name it is about WOMEN not equality

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u/3776356272 14d ago

Yes, true. Not sure how I ended up forgetting one of the most widely used concepts and analytical lenses in the discipline.

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u/pongauer 14d ago

You just lost the entire room and actively work against the endgoal.

Accept that 99% of the people dont give a flying fuck about this. Or dont and Accept that you'll never achieve what you set out to achieve.

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u/Low-Essay-113 Tea Queen 👑 14d ago edited 14d ago

Here I thought the image was just of a catchy “tag”line.

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u/3776356272 14d ago

I can understand why my comment might seem pedantic, or like a misplaced reaction to an otherwise uncontroversial “tagline.” But I think the relevant issue is the causal model underlying the shared normative premise.
Imagine two people who both believe that women are people who deserve to live selfdetermined, free lives on equal footing with men. They can genuinely agree on that normative principle and even on the broad goal of improving women’s lives, while having radically different ideas about what causes the problems women face and therefore what should be done about them.
One person might understand gender inequality primarily through an analysis of patriarchal power structures and consequently advocate broad cultural and institutional changes. Another might arrive at the same normative commitment through a completely different ideological framework and instead emphasize things like demographic change, immigration policy, family structure, or other factors.
Those are admittedly extreme examples, but I think they illustrate the point: normative agreement does not establish theoretical or causal agreement. People can share the same values and goals while having very different models of the world and therefore arriving at very different solutions.
So I don’t object to the image as a tagline. My point was that “women are people and deserve equal rights” is a broadly shared normative commitment, not something uniquely constitutive of feminism. It tells us very little about the theoretical framework used to explain gender inequality or the solutions that follow from it.

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u/Low-Essay-113 Tea Queen 👑 14d ago edited 14d ago

I was making a joke based on its article placement. It’s a simple line on a clothing tag; Tag-line.

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u/3776356272 14d ago

Oh my bad. I completely misunderstood what you meant by ‘tagline’ I thought you were saying I was overreading the slogan. The clothing tag pun went completely over my head.

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u/El0vution 11d ago

Oh yes, the relevant issue is definitely the “causal model underlying the shared normative premise.” 🙄 You’re going to win over a lot of the working class with that 👍🏼

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u/Ok_Being5461 14d ago edited 14d ago

Feminism is about advocating for women's interests. Equality is the stated reason, but equality is secondary, because there are plenty of areas where mainstream and institutional feminism is advocating against equal treatment and laws in many countries

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u/OppositeBeautiful601 14d ago

That's a slogan, not a definition.

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u/WorriedManner9432 12d ago

That's what it used to mean, now it's become "the radical notion that ONLY women are people."

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u/Overall-Move-4474 8d ago

Literally this

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u/mw136913 11d ago

Feminism is the radical notion that women should get special rights while removing all responsibility and accountability

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u/Admiral45-06 11d ago

Does that mean manosphere is a radical concept that men are people?

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u/Jumpy-Tourist-4323 i like the gossip kind of tea 9d ago

I saw that quote on a Volkswagen beetle once

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u/RepresentativeCow241 9d ago

I once saw that quote not in the mouth of an ideologue. Wait. Wait no I didn't.

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u/Vex_Verde 14d ago

Wrong, as usual, and thus why modern actual feminists don't like using the word feminists, cause most of the wrong feminist believe this is the definition haha

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u/TonyGalvaneer1976 13d ago

How is it wrong?

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u/vlladonxxx 11d ago

I can't speak how prevalent this sentiment is outside of twoxchromosome and subs like it but therein it's very prevalent.

The reason that I think it's important what people in those subs think is because they're extremely loud in discussions related to feminism and they play a significant role in shaping the mainstream narrative.

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u/vigorben 13d ago

This is probably one of the reasons why feminists are made fun of. They never try to understand the nuances behind each disagreement. They have to paint others evil to justify their own existence.
Feminism in sociology is just one perspective. It should not be treated as unquestionable truth.

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u/Abject-Put-9334 14d ago

Radical and incorrect notion* 

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u/Remote-Remote-3848 13d ago

Eeehnmm.... Sure thing

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u/ArgueLater 12d ago

This goes from a statement about equality to a joke about supremacy, depending on who's wearing the patch.

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u/Whiskey9502 10d ago

And people do terrible things

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u/Spakr-Herknungr 10d ago

Oh no, this is a beacon for all the bots to come out to talk about how men are now oppressed by women because they won’t have sex with them.

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u/RutherfordSaint 7d ago

I... feel like this comes off as more derogatory than it intends. Like it seems more like it's mocking feminism than it is being a tongue and cheek joke that 'we just want equality and to be treated like people'.

It comes off as a middle aged guy living in his mom's basement saying "Silly women think they are people" more so.

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u/king_rootin_tootin 7d ago

White nationalism: the belief that white people should not go extinct, according to White Nationalists. We all know that's bullshit.

So what should I think about the self defined definition of feminism according to feminists? 🤔

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u/azmarteal 7d ago

Oh? As long as we are making dumb statements:

Racism (noun) The radical notion that people with white skin are people

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u/DMedianoche 7d ago

False. Feminism WAS about the right of vote. Feminism IS about women privileges.

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u/Hiryu-GodHand 7d ago

This is true of the 2 waves of Feminism.

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u/Federal_Narwhal_6296 7d ago

Men's jeans are still cheaper. Does it make sense yet?

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u/MDLmanager 14d ago

Grow up.

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u/terid3 14d ago

Oops, your stupidity is showing.

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u/UsefolIdiot 14d ago

Anti-product Modern day f word

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u/EulaVengeance 14d ago

Let me guess: you thought you were as slick as olive oil, but in reality you're just extravirgin.

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u/UsefolIdiot 14d ago

it's a song.

Dont be a dick.

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u/FuzzyShop7513 7d ago

Feminism is equal rights for all, not just woman. Feminists fought with black people during the Civil Rights Movement.