It do be like that though

[u/McDowdy]

The United States has provided at least $21.7 billion in direct military aid to Izzy over the last three years (specifically tracking from October 2023 through September 2025), according to a comprehensive study by Brown University's Costs of War project.

https://costsofwar.watson.brown.edu/

[u/MaximumEffort433]

I mean until recently we were subsidizing Affordable Care Act healthcare plans and investing hundreds of billions of dollars in infrastructure and manufacturing jobs, but then we elected Trump and pissed all that away.

We were trying to bring down the cost of healthcare and investing in job creation, Republican voters had other ideas.

Edit: We also eliminated more than $180,000,000,000.00 in student loan debt, expanded SNAP benefits, and passed Medicare prescription bargaining rights, which weren't explicitly mentioned in the meme, but which I think plays into cost of living and stuff like that.

[u/Winter-Editor-9230 → u/MaximumEffort433]

Ideas implies thought.

[u/figherhigher → u/Winter-Editor-9230]

What about a concept of an idea tho?

[u/MaximumEffort433 → u/figherhigher]

A big, beautiful concept of an idea came up to me with tears in its eyes and said "In terms of groceries, we've never heard of groceries before," it told me "They're eating the groceries of the people who live there," it's true! You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

[u/zeroshitsgiven1 → u/Winter-Editor-9230]

We need a lot more thought brother, I know I cant take us there. Still, if we can remove the toxic handcuffs long enough and focusing on real steps forward we can get back on track as a country. People are going to have to sac up though, and that means everyone.

[u/zeroshitsgiven1 → u/MaximumEffort433]

Republicans couldn't let it be successful. They undermined it to death along the way intentionally, then Trump destroyed it. Good news is I believe the real next chapter for the USA is excellent universal healthcare. But it will take time and need to be systematic. I can't wait for the day insurance, a useless entity, is gone. I don't even use it much and I hate it. GOP was dying before Trumps first term and he stirred an old conservative cult into action. You can call it many things but it was racists, 1%ers and the uneducated. The young maga that were fooled will slow change and forget Trump bs, the older will continue to poop themselves for a few more years like their leader in chief then depart. They don't have the time or the numbers ultimately. This shit will happen!

[u/luigihitter → u/zeroshitsgiven1]

It was always meant to be that way. Division that us and in a way you’re doing the same thing even if you hold some sense of morality which it seems you do. Problem is what other choice is there?

[u/0w1 → u/zeroshitsgiven1]

I'm not that optimistic. The boomer voting block will never go for universal healthcare because they think it's big, boogeyman socialism, but ironically they'll also be getting Medicare. They just won't have much incentive to care, heck, even if Medicare was gutted or completely went away, they'd probably just blame Obama for it and keep voting republican.

[u/b__lumenkraft → u/MaximumEffort433]

but then we elected Trump and pissed all that away.

You pronounced "a self-proclaimed child rapist" wrong.

[u/lcrtangls → u/MaximumEffort433]

Just so we're clear, a sizable chunk of people commenting here didn't vote because "both sides fund 'Izzy'". They are as complicit as the republican voters.

[u/Burt_Macklin___ → u/lcrtangls]

Yep, what that person is saying is such a massive deflection from the issue. That's why I hate "centrists" almost as much as Right wingers. They're tribal, and willing to defend atrocious things

[u/MaximumEffort433 → u/Burt_Macklin___]

Yep, what that person is saying is such a massive deflection from the issue.

Meme: "I can't afford healthcare!"

Until recently we were subsidizing Affordable Care Act healthcare plans.

Meme: "I can't find a job!"

Until recently we were investing hundreds of billions of dollars in infrastructure and manufacturing jobs.

If the only thing you care about is Israel then yeah, I get it, but I care about jobs and healthcare, too. Democrats were trying to help the people in the meme, but I guess that's a "deflection."

"We gave $20 billion to Israel."

Democrats also gave $300 billion to SNAP, and invested $400 billion in infrastructure, and invested $700 billion in climate change and renewable energy, and invested $1.9 trillion in the COVID recovery, and those things matter, too.

[u/PoopyButt28000 → u/MaximumEffort433]

People on this sub will still tell you that both parties are the same.

[u/TheBeeFactory → u/PoopyButt28000]

Neither party will ever give you M4A, and will continue to feverishly support private ownership of every major industry. In that respect, they are exactly the same.

[u/MaximumEffort433 → u/TheBeeFactory]

Neither party will ever give you M4A, and will continue to feverishly support private ownership of every major industry. In that respect, they are exactly the same.

One party did give us Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, regulated the health insurance industry and halved the uninsured rate by passing the Affordable Care Act, and saved American tax payers billions of dollars by passing Medicare prescription bargaining rights, one party even passed a universal public option in the House, though the other party filibustered and killed it in the Senate.

If you only care about healthcare, one party is still clearly and infinitely better than the other.

[u/Woozy_burrito → u/MaximumEffort433]

People didn’t want want any of that 🤷 they were more concerned about 3 trans athletes and abortion

[u/MaximumEffort433 → u/Woozy_burrito]

People didn’t want want any of that 🤷

75,019,230 of us wanted that. 😞

[u/johnwau → u/Woozy_burrito]

As much as I hate that those were such hot button issues, that misses the point entirely. Americans didn’t just suddenly decide as a group that these are the important issues to dig our heels into the ground for.

These culture war issues were manufactured by the mainstream media and social media algorithms have pushed fringe viewpoints enough that it’s convinced people that these are actual issues that most of the country cares about.

Even now, it’s keeping people divided. People are so focused on how apparently it’s 100% on the non voters and uneducated, when propaganda has been flooding all channels of media for decades manufacturing these issues and making them unavoidable. On top of that, republicans openly brag about stealing the election.

I’ve voted in every election that I’ve been able to since I was of age by the way. I also think it’s asinine to decide who you vote for solely based on their stance on abortion or trans rights. But let’s not forget the root cause of all of these issues.

Those on the outside that can’t see this, I get it and all I can say is I hope this doesn’t take ahold in their country, because alot of these same tactics are being used elsewhere, maybe save for the election tampering.

[u/Justaticklerone → u/MaximumEffort433]

And now Medicaid has a work demand starting next year where one of the exceptions is volunteering. The type of volunteering that must be legally acceptable and that you still basically have to keep a timecard for, 20 hours a week, if your part time job isn't fully 20 hours.

There's going to be double-digit millions of people disqualified & uninsured in just 3 months.

Repugnantcans still haven't come up with a different type of medical plan in substitution for Obamacare.

[u/Irksomefetor → u/Justaticklerone]

I've been telling people to try to go back to school instead of volunteering. If they're on Medicaid then they surely qualify for FAFSA. With just 2 classes a semester you satisfy most if not all of the 80 hour work demand.

[u/MsMarvelsProstate → u/Irksomefetor]

But when you're done you'll owe $20,000 and that is probably an issue.

[u/Irksomefetor → u/MsMarvelsProstate]

FAFSA is federal help for school. Unless you're going to a University or something, it would cover all of it.

[u/Agitated_Reach6660 → u/Irksomefetor]

Yeah…that doesn’t seem like the best advice…

[u/Irksomefetor → u/Agitated_Reach6660]

Compared to what? Volunteer work? Because the alternative for some people is just... losing their insurance.

[u/Agitated_Reach6660 → u/Irksomefetor]

No, compared to having something like 50,000 in debt with compounding interest after 4 years. It’s not like volunteering and college are the only two options here, that’s just a laughable false dichotomy. People do need insurance, of course, but accumulating significant debt for access is simply terrible advice. Sorry.

[u/Adventurous_Ad7442 → u/Irksomefetor]

Does being in school count for the work requirement?

[u/Irksomefetor → u/Adventurous_Ad7442]

Yes, it does. Half time or more. That's 2 classes at any given college.

[u/lcrtangls → u/[deleted]]

Couldn't agree more.

[u/TheBeeFactory → u/[deleted]]

A lot of words to say "be happy with the garbage candidate we give you, who will still give billions of dollars and tons of weapons to Israel, and will still never ever support public healthcare, and will never go against the oil lobby, and will never give you any actual progressive reforms... Because the other guy is worse."

Really. What a great argument for Harris.

[u/Opetyr → u/MaximumEffort433]

So question why subsidize healthcare when insurance companies profits are in the billions? Maybe have a true Medicare for all and screw those companies. The subsidize is only to give insurance companies billions for their bribes of maybe at most a couple million.

[u/TheBeeFactory → u/Opetyr]

Because none of our politicians have the balls to stand up to literally any corporations. They're terrified of losing their donations and lobbyist support.

[u/General_Guest7846 → u/[deleted]]

makes you wonder what's really going on behind the scenes.

[u/darkcamel2018 → u/General_Guest7846]

Epstein files on Trump. Jared Kushner is close friend of Netanyahu running the Whitehouse

[u/edebt → u/darkcamel2018]

Jared's finance company owns the largest arms manufacturer that israels IDF buys from. He is also in charge of peace talks with Israel, it's the most blatant conflict of interest ever....

[u/omniverso → u/[deleted]]

The meme is funny because its true.

[u/Yharnam_Blunderbuss → u/General_Guest7846]

Nothing behind the scenes about this... Americans literally voted for this, desired to have this...twice.

[u/professorzaius → u/General_Guest7846]

makes you wonder how this 0.2% of the world can dictate such significant terms in its favour, from being a US welfare state to forcing most of the world's leaders to ignore the genocide its committing.

[u/I-Be-Dog]

Don’t forget the $40,000,000,000 for Argentina

[u/WeAreSky-5875 → u/I-Be-Dog]

I know their president is a zio but whyyyyy? Really why?

[u/I-Be-Dog → u/WeAreSky-5875]

Argentina is one of the most racist Latin countries, has been a long time. That was the main reasons that Nazi leadership fled to Argentina after WW2 end. Same reason Peter Theil moved his residency to there and much of his assets. Preparing for when MAGA looses control.

[u/beerandloathingpdx → u/WeAreSky-5875]

Anything for Israel duh

[u/PoopyButt28000 → u/WeAreSky-5875]

You guys think literally everything on earth is about the Jews holy shit

[u/Mainly_Miserable]

Here come all the Republicans talking about Ukraine.

I’d rather pay Ukrainians to fight the Russians than fight the Russians myself.

The question we should ALL be asking is why don’t the republicans understand that someone has to fight the Russians?

[u/mister_obvious_2nd → u/Mainly_Miserable]

Republicans love Russia. It is a dictatorship and it's leadership signals that it is conservative, pro family and pro Christian values.

[u/chamoisk → u/Mainly_Miserable]

Come to think of it, I’d rather pay Israeli to fight Hamas than fight Hamas myself.

[u/Mainly_Miserable → u/chamoisk]

It’s a rich tapestry

[u/hatesnack → u/chamoisk]

Hamas wouldnt be around if Isreal didnt all but ensure their rise to power in the 90s, and then continue to pull stunts to ensure they stayed there.

If anything, we shouldn't be letting isreal touch the situation. Bibi has too much to gain from hamas being around.

[u/FortNightsAtPeelys → u/chamoisk]

fight hamas

look inside

genocide

[u/yterais]

I have another one - "Let's chose a billionaire for president, this way he will not rip us off as he's got enough money!" /s

[u/FUNNYGUY123414]

It's especially filthy that we're spending billions to fund the Palestinian genocide, but lets be real. Funding Israel isn't stopping us from taxing the rich or distributing funds to better our society. We're spending nearly $1 trillion on defense funding this year. That is beyond incomprehensible.

This website puts into perspective 1 billion vs 1 million. That alone shows why billionaires and mega millionaires shouldn't exist. We truly can't fathom the quantity 1 billion, yet we spend 1000 times that every year on our defense and we get nothing. Just millions of dead humans and endless, useless wars for 75 years.

The whole world could be living with abundance if not for the power hungry, fear and hatred, and capitalism.

[u/Glittering-Ad-4257]

Or else they'll release the unredacted Epstein files in like 5 minutes.

[u/Tosser_535231 → u/Glittering-Ad-4257]

The two are mutually related

[u/Thrustmaster537]

America first... to bend over for a foreign power

[u/X57471C → u/[deleted]]

The tankies don't like USAID

[u/Ok_Eggplant_3274]

Reminder that Israel has really good and cheap healthcare thanks to American tax payers

[u/Gainztrader235 → u/Ok_Eggplant_3274]

Israel’s universal healthcare is funded through Israeli health insurance taxes and government spending. Americans don’t directly pay Israelis’ health insurance bills.

U.S. taxpayers fund substantial military assistance: the standing agreement provides $3.8 billion annually for military financing and missile defense, subject to congressional appropriations. That funding is designated for defense.

The indirect argument is reasonable: covering some defense costs can free Israeli resources for healthcare and other priorities. But that’s a budget effect, not a direct U.S. payment for Israel’s healthcare system.

[u/Feeding4Harambe → u/Ok_Eggplant_3274]

Can you stop spreading this lie? American aid is 0,5% of israeli GDP. Most of it is spend on intercepting rockets. Rockets that are 100% illegal under international law and always aimed at civilian targets. I thought people cared about international law, but I guess it doesn't count when it's to protect jews. Palestinians receive about twice as much aid per capita. Do you know who supports your anti Foreign aid rhetoric? The far right in Israel (https://www.aa.com.tr/en/us-israel-iran-war/netanyahu-proposes-phasing-out-us-military-aid-to-israel-over-10-years-report/4013139)

[u/exomachina → u/Ok_Eggplant_3274]

So does most of Europe... for the exact same reason.

[u/Prash146 → u/Ok_Eggplant_3274]

American tax payers fund Israeli healthcare?

[u/RangeSoggy2788 → u/Prash146]

When you pay for a countires military that means they can use their money on other things. Shocking right?

[u/RobbieCraigon → u/Prash146]

Yes. U.S. taxpayers also fund Israel's terrorist military and government.

[u/AP_AUTO215]

Let’s also give Argentina billions of dollars

[u/Bb0yer2 → u/AP_AUTO215]

We send like 4 billion to Israel every year but we subsidize red states by like 200 billion every year. Stop blaming our foreign affairs and start blaming your fellow country man who is the real villian

[u/GenerativeAdversary → u/Bb0yer2]

Lol sure let's stop subsidizing farmers and see how that goes for ya

[u/noiwontpickaname → u/Bb0yer2]

I'm actually fine with subsidies for our own country. I feel like most people would prefer subsidies for domestic use instead of foreign.

[u/happahopp]

[u/Implement66]

It’s kinda fun to see people look at math that’s been going on since the 90. 80s.

Yeah, this has been the weird neocon thing for a minute.

[u/Erroneous_Bonk]

Y'all voted to fund the IDF, to gut USAID, to throw Ukraine to the wolves, to start trade wars with historic allies, to destroy checks & balances in the judiciary, to end free press, to demolish women's rights, to reduce socioeconomic upward mobility even more, to codify Reaganomics profiteering, to excuse bribery of SCOTUS judges, and to have ICE terrorize the streets.

90 million abstainers and 80 million voters heard the announcements of DOGE, MAHA, melaniacoin, Thiel, the Epstein cover up, j6 pardons, and Project 2025. They chose to use their democratic voice to directly or indirectly support it all.

Anyone who pretends to be surprised by the consequences of voting conservative is lying. Emboldening Putin is treason.

[u/m0nk37]

You know how Israel is exterminating a race?

And ya'll are funding that?

yeah.

[u/Tosser_535231]

Let's not forget that that money goes directly into both genocide and Israel's disgusting amount of surveillance systems and tools used directly against the US population in order to extort more money and manipulate its people

[u/Firebird5000]

Vote them all out!

[u/there_is_no_spoon1]

They puked up 40 billion for Milei in a heartbeat. 40 goddamned billion that should have stayed home and done some good in the US. The damage the president has done to the entire world will take decades to heal, if we are allowed to do that. Gotta turn Congress Blue first!

[u/Opening_Pizza]

The US has given Israel over $300 billion since 1948, diplomatic cover at the UN, and sent US citizens to fight and die on Israel's behalf. Oh and Israel has free healthcare.

[u/charszb]

no no no, that was to Argentina, $20 billion a time. more coming in the future.

[u/Leftist_Pirate]

It’s because they have video proof of our president molesring children with Jeffery Epstein.

It’s why Trump is selling our troops to Israel by the platoon for shekels on the dollar.

[u/67yoloswag → u/Leftist_Pirate]

they have video proof of our president molesring children with Jeffery Epstein.

They also have a lobby/bribing operation. Now as an European I am just baffled, why dont we also bribe US politicians? Huge return on investment.

[u/-OooWWooO-]

Should the US not be sending money to Israel? Yes. Is that aid to israel the reason why universal healthcare doesn't exist? No. On the average yearly aid is in the mid to low Single digit billions lately around 3.8 billion. Since 1948 in total Israel has received about 300 billion total dollars. Compare that to the DoD budget from 1948 to today that is 30 to 35 trillion. Annual subsidies to the oil industry are between 15-35 billion. So even if you believe in the false inflated number of 20 billion, your government pays more to the oil industry every year than Israel.

[u/ssnnaarrff → u/-OooWWooO-]

Didn't we give like 80 billion to ICE for their shock gloves and concentration camp budget? That seems like a bad one too.

[u/NGEFan → u/ssnnaarrff]

No no no, don’t be a foolish foolish fool. It was only 75 billion

[u/Rebelius → u/-OooWWooO-]

Americans already spend more on healthcare than most countries with universal healthcare. It's a policy that would pay for itself.

I guess those big fat cat middlemen would miss out though.

[u/Handelo → u/-OooWWooO-]

A reasonable take? In my subreddit? I'll just keep blaming the Jews for my own country's failings, thanks.

[u/ExpansivePoint → u/Handelo]

Bro seeing everyone salivating for the downfall of Jewish people is wild, literally one mfer is causing all this shit, not like we don't have the same problem states side, but now everyone has to hate a whole ethnicity over it?

[u/KingArcher67 → u/ExpansivePoint]

People don't hate Jews, they hate foreign state bribing politicians and undermining our democracy. So they can continue an ethnic genocide....there's a huge difference.

[u/PoopyButt28000 → u/KingArcher67]

Nah, this is cope. Maybe this was true a year or two ago but we're at the point where people are just full on openly ZOG posting. For a good number of them Zionist is just the laziest dog whistle.

[u/noiwontpickaname → u/PoopyButt28000]

Zog?

[u/PoopyButt28000 → u/noiwontpickaname]

White supremacist conspiracy theory that claims that the Jews controls the governments, economy, and media of the entire western world.

[u/noiwontpickaname → u/PoopyButt28000]

No I meant what does the acronym Sydney for?

[u/PoopyButt28000 → u/noiwontpickaname]

Zionist Occupied Government. The term is 50+ years old so it was coined back when "Zionist" was generally just meant to mean someone that thinks that Israel has the right to exist, and it was pretty much just used by white supremacists to mean Jew.

[u/Bb0yer2 → u/[deleted]]

Targeting people outside of synagogues and Jewish museums. Targeting people with star of David necklaces. I'm sure it's just "zionist" that they care about

[u/cuntmong]

Israel will make better use of the money though. Give $20 billion to most people and they won't use it to kill any kids. Maybe one or two at most. Meanwhile Israel is delivering with a number in the thousands. Your dollars hard at work 

[u/SilverFox9000]

I just noticed that I cannot type in the words "Netanyahu" and the phrase "war criminal" without getting a flag. If I get banned, so be it but I will say this is the opposite of free speech.

[u/safe_dimension0_0 → u/SilverFox9000]

Netanyahu is a war criminal

[u/AgentBaggins → u/SilverFox9000]

Are you banned yet?

[u/Uncabled_Music]

How unemployed people decide anything these days?🤧

[u/Just_Effective2261]

The US Federal Government spends 18.5 billion dollars a day.

A day.

One. Single Day. Every day. For 365 days a year.

[u/LexiYoung → u/Just_Effective2261]

But most of those dollars aren’t spent on Israel so nobody cares about them cuz they can’t whine about Jews

[u/Past_Reach_5575]

It do be like? Lol. I understand your issue. lol

[u/Past_Reach_5575 → u/Past_Reach_5575]

But you vote Democrat I’m sure?

[u/augustrem]

Wait I remember Leo swinging with Claire Danes in Romeo and Juliet. Did he also swing around with Kate Winslet in a different movie from the same tome period?

edit: did I conflate the two movies in my
memory? Did Leo and Claire swing around?

[u/That-Brain-in-a-vat]

It's basically money laundering, at this point. They give money to Israel through public funds, so that AIPAC can give them back to private politicians who don't have to justify what they do with them.

[u/_ElBee_]

Israel: "We know what's in the Epstein Files!"
Trump administration: "Shut up and take our money!"

[u/CORBINTOBIASLOVE]

Pissed. My. Pants. 😹😹😹

[u/67yoloswag]

I trust that these are just startup costs, after which the babykilling should be self sustaining.

[u/Legitimate-Win-101]

And 20 billion to Argentina

[u/Business-Schedule642]

Lol sounds about right

[u/cuban_daddy_954]

America is a colony of "the only democracy in the middle east" that which cannot be named or the mods will ban you. We need a revolution again against them and their collaborators.

[u/CosmicDriftwood]

Nation is being enronned

[u/exomachina]

As someone who's been looking for a 2nd job that's part time and within my preferred hours over the last 2 weeks... y'all are really passing up some of the easiest and most basic shit. Every major grocery chain is hiring, warehouses need stockers, every strip mall has stores hiring sales associates, venues and restaurants are looking for hospitality staff and kitchen staff and it's all like 18-25/hr with benefits for full time. This is in the southwestern US. The only thing I've seen that's competitive and tough to land interviews are tech / semi tech WFH jobs. If you are completely jobless right now in the US you are absolutely not trying hard enough.

[u/Louie_Ck_NJ]

I’ve been saying this since Cheney after googling what aipac was. !!!

[u/Sea-Consequence-8263]

N then let them use the same money to buy out our politicians so that some other countries interests are always first.

[u/Mooltipasser]

Toss a few billion to Argentina while we’re at it!

[u/Forsaken-Towel1006]

Go Trump!!!!

[u/RoughFisherman7218]

…Each Year

[u/Minimum_Curve_9962]

Those are military sales, not handouts.

[u/Ill_Bit_7096]

Just send it to Ukraine then it’s allowed

[u/Radiskull97]

[u/CommitteeDelicious68]

Accurate. Donald and MAGA really have no idea what they're doing!!

[u/Expensive-System9330]

Neither are that difficult

[u/curiouscsplayer]

If you are waiting for the government for healthcare or a job you will be forever waiting.

[u/No-Twist3006]

Maybe we can give 100’s of billions to fraudster Learing Centers! 🤷‍♂️

[u/CaptainRedbeard5]

Take that 20 billion and divide by 330 million. Equally of course..

....... ........ ........

$60!

Problem solved.

[u/Due_Buyer_9445]

Ready to listen yet?

[u/Tdivarco]

Maybe we should adjust the deliver method of those bombs we’re sending to Israel

[u/Dizer_Y]

Exactly!

[u/-I_I]

How am I being warned about non-political comments on this post‽

[u/Own_Mycologist_4900]

Barack Obama made healthcare affordable for everyone or were we lied to by him?

[u/EscortSportage]

Gold!

[u/Adept_Bandicoot_2794]

What's up w the appropriating of black speech in the title?

[u/Hiredgun77]

Israel gets a line of credit to buy 3.8 billion worth of U.S. equipment each year. The money actually helps our economy. Nothing about this aid prevents us from fixing healthcare. This is just a misleading anti-Israel post.

[u/Heavy_Surround779 → u/Hiredgun77]

equipment bombs and missiles

Man what a great economy we have good thing we are helping Israel kill children.

[u/Regular-Hospital-470]

Israel is a welfare state. They have healthcare but their goyslaves in America don't. It's all rather comical actually.

[u/Financial-Craft-1282]

This...doesn't make sense.

[u/Prash146]

At some point we need to leave Israel and Palestine the fuck alone, don’t fund them, don’t talk about them and let them figure it out themselves. Israel funding is 0.07% of budget, it should be zero, but the bigger problem is, When do we talk about how we manage the rest 99.93% of the budget to help solve our problems ?

[u/vigorben]

Welp, USAID giving billions of dollars ANNUALLY to foreign countries and you weren’t complaining

[u/Mister_Buddy]

The children must flow.

[u/Dehwoly]

That's how it works! 100%! Not because you elect clinically ill people to power. First Obama, then Trump. Then, once you were able to elect Biden, there must have been some enlightenment. And then Trump again. Bcs of Israel and helping allies on money you still didn't get or take.

[u/theclosetedcreature]

Tel Aviv has been swarming under this post

[u/Pulselovve]

Healthcare issues are not caused by lack of money. In US they spend already a lot of money in healthcare. The issue is chronic under supply, put up by chains of monopolies from doctors to pharma to healthcare to insurances.

Let's imagine you tomorrow double the amount you spend: nothing would change, same amount of visits, diagnoses, therapies, surgeries but at roughly double the price.

That's because supply is artificially constrained. Either you can make doctor visit more or that's the amount of "doctor-hours" you have and that's finely regulated by doctors themselves to keep their income high.

Namely the number of doctors that can enroll is fixed and can't answer any price incentive. There is only one thing that's certain, as long as we allow professions to self regulate they will screw you.

[u/LeftAccident5662 → u/Pulselovve]

BTW if there was big money in healthcare, there would be more people who wanted to be doctors. It’s a path to success. Pretending that there’s some secret cabal of doctors slowing down their work to drive up prices is extra special thinking.

[u/KimJongAndIlFriends → u/LeftAccident5662]

The cabal is constraining how many doctors can get their licenses and legally practice medicine; they are not constraining how many hours each licensed doctor is allowed to work.

[u/Racko20 → u/LeftAccident5662]

There are a lot of limiting factors to becoming a licensed doctor so the normal supply/demand curve isn't as applicable.

[u/Accomplished-Pace114 → u/LeftAccident5662]

There is big money in healthcare. Not everyone can be a doctor. Not everyone can pass the courses nor has a desire to spend 10yrs of their life in school.

[u/LeftAccident5662 → u/Accomplished-Pace114]

Yes, comrade. That’s how all careers work. If the investment is worthwhile people will invest. Not everyone is a Stakhanovite.

[u/Accomplished-Pace114 → u/LeftAccident5662]

Yet the investment is worthwhile to become a doctor. The investment will be worse if moving to a healthcare for all system.

[u/Pulselovve → u/LeftAccident5662]

Why do you spread misleading information? The number of slots is FIXED in almost all countries, for oligopolistic reason. How are you so ignorant about something and you speak about it?

[u/Business-Schedule642 → u/Pulselovve]

BTW in US..... stfu

[u/justsomedude4202]

I’m old enough to remember when Obama made fun of John McCain for suggesting that Russia is a security threat.

[u/Noobzoid123 → u/justsomedude4202]

Russia didn't attack the US, J6ers did.

[u/Warmbly85 → u/Noobzoid123]

Russia has absolutely attacked the US and Europe both kinetically and electronically. 

From using the Wagner group in the Middle East to countless hacks your point is completely false 

[u/Noobzoid123 → u/Warmbly85]

Sure but domestic terror is a bigger threat.

[u/Warmbly85 → u/Noobzoid123]

Domestic terror really isn’t as big of a threat as Russia or China.

China is one invasion of Taiwan away from crippling the global economy as we know for years. Taiwan makes a majority of the most advanced chips and have plans to destroy their entire production capability before turning them over.

Russia is less of a threat to the US and that’s why the US changed its policy on arming Ukraine. The US doesn’t give Ukraine weapons directly anymore but they do allow European countries to skip the line and purchase them for Ukraine. US really only gives intelligence now but also changed its policy on what kind of intel. Under Biden almost no intel on internationally recognized Russia was given. Under Trump we’ve seen that reversal result in the refinery and distribution hub campaigns throughout Russia.

Sure Russia isn’t as dangerous but at the same time Russia can take advantage of China moving on Taiwan and Europe being years away from self sufficiency. By forcing Russia to grind itself down it gives the US and Europe the ability to ram up production and stockpiles.

Domestic terror is a bigger threat to individual politicians but very little threat to the actual government of the US

[u/RobbieCraigon → u/justsomedude4202]

Since that never happened, are you thinking of Romney instead of McCain?

[u/justsomedude4202 → u/RobbieCraigon]

You’re right. Even worse since Russia took Crimea only 2 years later. I appreciate you pointing that out.

[u/WallEInOrbit → u/justsomedude4202]

of course he did, unlike trump who is bimbo for putin

[u/MpregVegeta]

How much did we send to Ukraine between 2020 and 2023?

[u/Creative_Fudge6074 → u/MpregVegeta]

Ukraine is not committing genocide. Interesting how you think helping people is the bad part here.

[u/LeftAccident5662 → u/Creative_Fudge6074]

Nice deflection there.

[u/SaltyYumYumBalls]

Its you people who still talk to your republican family. Figure it out.

[u/duckdigglerpuuu]

Americans think memes are political. One more post and things will change

[u/Handelo]

0.1% of total US federal expenditure, btw. I mean, if those $20 per person per year would have got you free healthcare, I don't think healthcare would have been such an issue in the first place.

[u/Important-Today4119]

Just wait untill you find how much we colectively gave Ukraine 😂

[u/b__lumenkraft]

"I've never fought for my rights and my country elected a pedophile as president and even that never drove me out there protesting but i'm entitled enough to think i deserve better!!!"

Every US citizen these days.

[u/DocklandsDodgers86]

Who would you prefer they give to, the Hamas nation?