r/PoursTea • u/Federal-Compote-5015 • Aug 17 '26
All The Tea ☕️ Watch this brutal takedown of Pete Hegseth’s Christian Nationalist pastor who spoke at the Pentagon
Doug Wilson isn’t just some random pastor. He’s a self-described Christian nationalist and “paleo-Confederate” who has argued against women’s suffrage, preached that wives should submit to their husbands, defended Christian slaveholders, and openly advocated turning America into a Christian nation. Yet Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth invited Wilson to preach inside the Pentagon in February, where Wilson spoke about praying for a national Christian “revival.” Hegseth belongs to the denomination Wilson co-founded and has publicly amplified his message. Source 1
It’s unprecedented that someone with these views was welcomed into the headquarters of the United States military by the Secretary of Defense. Source 2
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u/MasterSnacky Aug 17 '26
“That’s all you’ve got?” 🤌
Man talk about supporting communism by getting owned by the community
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u/CautionarySnail Aug 17 '26
That level of mockery was all that was needed.
That man isn’t a pastor. He’s a recruiter for a white supremacist and misogynistic branch of wealth gospel assholes. Such magical and racist thinking should have been left aside long before America was discovered, but there he is, trying to haul us back to the Middle Ages.
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u/CautionarySnail Aug 17 '26
His incredibly poor grasp of Christianity. He appears to worship money and power, not the values Christ taught.
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u/CautionarySnail Aug 17 '26
You’re right. I can’t say he isn’t a true Christian.
He’s a piss poor Christian. But worse - he’s a piss poor American because he is against the very American constitution.
He believes our Constitution can only be upheld by and apply to Christians. That shows a huge disconnect with our history and the law in the Constitution itself.
He advocates for slavery. Who would a follower of Christ enslave?
Doug Wilson believes that homosexuals should be imprisoned. Where in the New Testament does Christ indicate support for harm against gay people?
He’s indicated strong support for going to war with Muslim nations simply on the basis that they’re Muslims. That’s a good Christian value, as long as you haven’t bothered to read the actual words of the actual Prince of Peace. I love the idea of a pointless nonstop religious war for our country, who wouldn’t?
So, you’re right. I failed to correctly identify the kind of talking human boil he is.
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u/CautionarySnail Aug 17 '26
You’re right - it was intellectually lazy of me to use that fallacy in my writing.
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u/Moiraine-FanBlue Aug 18 '26
I'll admit I don't think, in my personal opinion, that, the "No True Scotsman" fallacy applies to religion.
Every religion on Earth, or at very least quite a few of them, points out that a lot of people will "claim" to be members of that religion, but that very few will actually in the end be true followers of it.
America has a lot of people who claim to be Christians.
It has very few people who are willing to live the life that actually being a Christian requires of them.
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u/Edub89556 Aug 17 '26
But I’m a religious leader, you can’t say anything bad to me /s then comes back with that weak ass response that he thinks is so witty
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u/MrDeadbutdreaming Aug 17 '26
He just proved the other person's point that he had never read the bible and also doesn't know the definition of "socialist".
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u/Aromatic-Turnip7371 Aug 17 '26
Wait what? lol i don’t understand his response
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u/Oalka Aug 17 '26
He thought it was a great zinger.
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u/BuckManscape Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 17 '26
He’s an idiot that’s never had to debate anyone. He, like much of his ilk, talks at people, not to them. It all folds under the slightest scrutiny.
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u/Freeze_Her Aug 17 '26
Exactly. He is used to an unchallenged monologue with bigots.
Also, “he fed people”. Yeah by doing magic, aka multiplying bread. Trump capable of magic yet?
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u/KejsarePDX Aug 17 '26
Also, when Jesus fed the people with the loaves and fishes many misunderstood him and thought he would feed their armies to fight the Romans. They keep wanting a political messiah even today.
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u/Im-BackAgain-Babes2 Aug 17 '26
Ex baptist here, I'll take a wap at it ..
The 'pastor' is saying Jesus could actually feed people the way he implied, most likely because of the story where Jesus feeds the 5000 by a miracle from prayer. Jesus blessed a young boy's lunch and it fed many...
This loser 'pastor' is using that story and miracle as proof Jesus 'feeds' people himself by his own means. but his word betray him.. Jesus fed 5000 people for 'free' because it was good and right to feed people... Let's not forget, to this 'pastor' (and pastor alike) that giving away free anything is socialism...
his own words betray him.. Jesus was infact a socialist in many ways.. yes, he was and that's was a good thing.. Jesus was a real human after all (I'm not claiming anything other than that) and he was a good man who yes, fed people for free and hoped for good things for the people. Jesus lived his life as as an example and verb.. he was love to people.
This 'pastor' wouldn't recognize Jesus even if he was standing in front of him.
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u/NoblePickle84 Aug 17 '26
Curious to know what kind of food pantry, if any, his congregation runs. Curioser to know what they do with any donations or funds they're receiving to redistribute "as Jesus would intend".
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u/buddhainmyyard Aug 17 '26
A private one, in a wealthy neighborhood that pay it's it's employees very well for little to no work.
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u/scratchy_mcballsy Aug 18 '26
Thanks for this. I figured he was giving an improper portrayal of Jesus vs the actual bible and also misusing the meaning of socialism.
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u/NoblePickle84 Aug 17 '26
You see? He's confusing socialism and communism again, like they're wont to do. These clowns can't read or comprehend anything, not even their own religious texts. They've been "handed down" the hateful rhetoric of their forebears in the church from the days of racism and hatred of others without ever really STUDYING the teachings of their gods. They're religious zealots, the Christian version of radical Islamists.
Also, Jesus was arguably *** THE O.G. SOCIALIST *** if you're anything other than a charlatan religious figure.
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u/Specialist_Guitar232 Aug 17 '26
Communism cannot succeed in the US until we really become much more like Christians. Real Christians like how Jesus lived, not like Christian tv. Ironic
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u/esem86 Aug 17 '26
When their brain factory resets like it did here, they typically default back to buzzwords that constantly get recycled within their base. "Socialism, LGBTQ, immigrants, Muslims, gay marriage, abortion" etc etc.
If you removed culture wars and logical fallacies from the equation, all they'd be left with is the sound of dial-up modems coming from their ears.
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u/Substantial-Donut360 Aug 17 '26
It goes hard for room temp IQs
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u/narco-sub-admiral know me, broken by my master Aug 18 '26
They require like 80% of their brainpower to remember to breathe.
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u/JustinKase_Too Aug 17 '26
"Wonderful, great response" is about the right level of answer to him ;)
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u/ScatteredWavesGlory Aug 17 '26
Doug Wilson is an illiterate, incurious, coward of a man who doesn't know anything about his own history much less that of a middle eastern book that didn't exist as a compilation until the 4th century.
His response was that because he didn't understand what was being said to him he is that dumb.
You don't roost in Moscow, Idaho and not be dumb.
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u/piercedmfootonaspike Aug 17 '26
No. Just sociopaths and white supremacists. They're actually very stringent about who they let in.
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u/HiddenMonkey7 Aug 17 '26
Maga christians are just corporate white nationalists. They just grift literal mouthbreathers of their hard earned money.
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u/fariasrv Aug 17 '26
He needs to walk into the ocean and stay there.
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u/narco-sub-admiral know me, broken by my master Aug 18 '26
Take a long walk off a short pier, pal.
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u/narco-sub-admiral know me, broken by my master Aug 18 '26
Wath? I was rephrasing your comment.
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u/Strange-Fisherman487 Aug 17 '26
Im sick and tired of these assholes in power cosplaying as a Christian and follower of Jesus
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u/Foorinick Aug 17 '26
well you see these people are what the world knows as evangelicals, a sect of protestantism that loves to larp, but in their services they claim to actually exorcise people (literal paid actors), preach that being rich is a sign that jesus loves you because he gave you money (this is very extremely heretical by the way), barely read the bible, they only ever read the bits that support the conservative agenda. here in brazil we like to joke that the evangelical politicians want to turn the country into evangelistan, the joke being that it would a christian version of the extremely conservative laws seen in places like afghanistan
if you wish to make them think, you can propose "what if the government suddenly had bhuddist politicians passing laws that banned barbecues" and suddenly they will respect the separation of church and government
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u/Loud-Fudge7631 Aug 17 '26
Fuck Christian Nationationaism maga. Bunch of extremist bigots weaponizing the Bible to support imperialism, anti science harm on rest of world.... just so these neo nazi adjacent can consolidate American resources for their stupid rapture agendas and destroying public sectors like public education funding and usdaid
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u/tackleho Aug 17 '26
Jesus was not a socialist.."
Uttered with such smug confidence. The paragon parasite and near perfect pharisee
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u/Full-Contract6143 Tea, but it’s Bourbon. Aug 17 '26
“Not a socialist” as he fed the hungry… for (checks easily referenced and accessible text)… nothing…
(References being Matthew 14:13–21, Mark 6:30–44, Luke 9:10–17, and John 6:1–14)…
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u/tackleho Aug 19 '26
Plus there's that whole money lenders incident that they love to omit or ignore
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u/Alphamullet Aug 17 '26
As an also Jesuit educated person, that was poetry. He nailed it. He is exactly right with what the Jesuits beat into our heads.
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u/Deathanddisco041 Aug 17 '26
When met with actual facts and critical thinking, he doesn’t have much to say. The only time I’ve seen Doug Wilson shut the fuck up.
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u/ithinkway2much Aug 17 '26
Can someone help me understand his point about Jesus not being a socialist? While were at it how did Jesus pay for all that food on a carpenter salary?
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u/piercedmfootonaspike Aug 17 '26
Because socialism bad and Jesus good therefore Jesus no socialism. In their brains.
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u/TheAbomunist Aug 17 '26
Because he's a slippery coward when it comes to The Greatest Commandments and his own lip-serviced faith.
"We know Jesus was not a socialist because he could actually feed people."
"So you do or do not endorse feeding people, Dougie? Because numerous rants you've made have stated that helping the poor just enables dependence."
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 Aug 17 '26
Ya these christian nationalists. I'm not sure he could even read a book.
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u/FindingComfortable56 Aug 17 '26
Listened to this three times and my face hurts from smiling so hard
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u/EarthlostSpace Aug 17 '26
America needs more of this. Keep calling them out on their FAKE Christianity beliefs so we can continue to laugh at their weak responses and the stupid looks on their faces.
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u/Tall-Introduction649 Aug 17 '26
My whole life I’ve been asked how could I have morals without religion. I can’t help but think how does anyone have morals without religion? You should be kind to your neighbor, give when you can, welcome immigrants, take care of children and to lead with love. So many Christian’s use this as an excuse to be truly evil.
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u/0202_tihssitidder Aug 17 '26
Doug Wilson has been doing this exact same bit for 40+ years.
Personally I think every pastor in the world is a grifter. Wilson is also a racist.
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u/RemoWilliams615 Aug 17 '26
So to Dugg, the parable of the loaves & fishes is ANTI socialism?!? From my memory of the tale, Jesus doesn't magically produce food to feed 5000. He gathers food from those who have it & is able to distribute a meal to all. Trying to remember what economic philosophy is based on that 🤔 I think Dugg needs to have a woman direct him because his thinking ain't thunking.
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u/WearyAsparagus7484 Aug 17 '26
Illiterate goat herders at least had an excuse for believing in magic.
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u/SyllabubMental7292 Aug 17 '26
Anyone else suddenly star thinking about Blue Fang from Castlevania?
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u/FrankMon420 Aug 17 '26
We all know in the Bible Jesus said fuck the sick and the poor and especially fuck them kids so they took it literally
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u/JustinKase_Too Aug 17 '26
Jesuits are almost always the best representatives of what Christianity SHOULD be.
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u/Creeperstar Aug 17 '26
How can a so-called pastor fail to see the loaves and fishes at the sermon didn't appear from thin air by a magic man, but is a lesson in communal support when they "appeared" from the satchels of those present when the first ones were shared, same with the water into wine at the wedding.
The point isn't the sky wizard magic, it's about taking care of each other!
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u/jellofixit Aug 17 '26
We have plenty of food to feed the starving masses. Unfortunately it's contaminated because we fired all the health inspectors!
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u/FranticChill Aug 17 '26
The silence after the response was brilliant. The idiocy of the response said it all.
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u/Forward_Criticism_39 Aug 17 '26
i am utterly amazed he wasn't interrupted by an advertisement or a cut to another show starting
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u/Anal-Y-Sis Aug 18 '26
Holy crap... That dead silence after his dumb "socialist" quip was more devastating than anything Mr. Ali said to him.
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u/Steve-O-12 Aug 18 '26
They had no answer. lol. They don’t dare say anything to Muslims who openly preach violence.
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u/Ornery_Gate_6847 Aug 18 '26
So if we actually can feed everyone, then doing so wouldnt be socialist so the evangelicals would clearly support it
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u/SoyTonatiuh Aug 18 '26
Notice how white supremacists always look like genetic experiments? This fat sloppy racist pos is a joke.
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u/fiesew Aug 18 '26
The other guy like “that’s all you got” 🤣
Indeed that’s all these f*cking religious lunatics got.
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u/jonnismizzle Aug 18 '26
I love that "That's all you got?" and the absolute crickets to that idiotic response. MAGA fool thought he ate with that nonsense.
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u/HuskDette Aug 18 '26
And people listen to this insane pastor. Please tell me the difference behind this Christian nationalist and Isis? I cant seem to find any differences?!
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u/scratchy_mcballsy Aug 18 '26
He thought he wasn’t going to be challenged. I’m sure Pete told him that.
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u/Solid_Fisherman_7946 Aug 20 '26
I bet his joke at the end hit hard for people that are stupid as fuck
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u/lilian_moraru Aug 20 '26
It would be funny, if the guy didn’t have a hand in delivering lots of suffering to millions of people
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u/BigTex1969 Aug 21 '26
Why would he I think that we should refrain from attacking "religious idiots."
Why would they get a pass? Is it Because he can't defend his position?
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u/Minimum-Ad-5350 Aug 21 '26
Who is the guy “attacking” him? I don’t recognize him… didn’t see his name…
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u/whatisdreampunk Aug 22 '26
Who supposes that we refrain from attacking religious leaders? I don't suppose that.
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u/Neat_Task_6664 Aug 17 '26
This may not be a popular take, but I don't think saying Doug needs to read the Bible is a very effective zinger, because I think Doug actually HAS read the Bible. Probably more than most Christians. The real difference between Wilson and most Christians is that, when confronted with the stuff the Bible actually says, most Christians will start hemming and hawing about "that's the old testament" or "those laws only applied to the Israelites" and trying to distance themselve from it; whereas when people like Doug read that stuff, he's like "HELL YEAH LOVE IT".
Thing is, the Bible is actually every bit as shitty as Wilson's beliefs. In fact, the shitty stuff he says is directly extrapolated from the literal wording. It says men have dominion over women just like humans have dominion over animals. It condones chattel slavery (and also has instructions on how to trick your fellow Israelites (who can otherwise only be indentured servants) into being your slaves for life) and tells slaves to obey their masters. It says that women who don't bleed the first time they have sex should be put to death (even though over 60% of women don't bleed their first time). It says that a rape victim who doesn't scream loud enough to alert people is to be put to death, and if you ARE found to have been raped, you are forced to marry your rapist and can never be divorced from him. It condones child sacrifice (the story of Jephthah). It commands the Israelites to commit genocide except for young virgin female children who they are to take as sex slaves (and if they aren't over the deaths of their entire family, people and culture in a few weeks, you can kick them out of your home and they'll basically be left to die since no one will care for or marry them due to no longer being virgins -- REMINDER THIS IS CHILDREN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT). It says you can beat your slaves as much and as hard as you want so long as they don't die from the beating in a day or two. God punishes David by having David's *wives* brutally SA'd. God makes a bear tear apart a group of small children because they made fun of a guy being bald. God made a wager with Satan (even though god is omniscient and already would know the outcome) that Job would worship him even if he took all Job had including murdered his family... and when Job was like "why did you do this, you already knew I'd be obedient", God tells him to shut up or he'll kill him. And of course, we are all fundamentally broken and evil and depraved because the first two humans broke a rule, which they didn't know was bad because they had no concept OF "bad" until after they'd already broken it.
Most of that was all in the OT, but A) Jesus literally says he has come to fulfill the law *NOT* abolish it (if I fulfill the law requiring me to wear a seatbelt when I drive, does that law go away because I did it? lol obviously not), that everyone is to follow the law (and that anyone who doesn't or causes others to not will be called least in the kingdom of heaven) and that the shitty OT laws and commandments detailed above remain in effect until the heavens and Earth pass away (an event that happens at the end of time, as denoted in Revelations where it literally says when the heavens and Earth will pass away) and B) the NT is actually worse: unlike the OT which doesn't talk super much about an afterlife, the NT prescribes eternal, unending, unyielding torment for not just finite crimes, but finite *thoughtcrimes* -- literally "not believing a thing" is sufficient to burn forever in magic fire.
There's some good stuff in it, sure, but the good stuff that's in it (helping the poor, caring for the sick, treating others as you wish to be treated) is not dependent Bible and can be arrived at without the Bible (or any religion for that matter).
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u/Ok-Instruction-5004 Aug 17 '26
Useless drivel.
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u/Neat_Task_6664 Aug 17 '26
I literally went to Seminary and was pursuing a Masters in Theology before I deconstructed but ok buddy whatever you say
If you're mad at seeing that much text, maybe be mad at the Bible for containing that much awful shit to begin with. And I was just playing the greatest hits.
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u/Neat_Task_6664 Aug 17 '26
It will never stop being funny that "dude who is triggered by seeing too many typed words on a forum where communication happens via typed words" is an actual personality type on Reddit.
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u/Ok-Instruction-5004 Aug 17 '26
Still useless drivel. Your comment and the content. I think you miss my meaning.
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u/Neat_Task_6664 Aug 17 '26
Don't get me wrong: I'm glad most Christians don't read their Bible and try to downplay and distance themselves from what it actually says, because an entire nation full of Doug Wilsons would be abhorent beyond words.
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u/SkylineWaffles Aug 17 '26
How is making healthcare unnecessarily unaffordable or making food artificially scarce in anyway even 1% Christ-like?