I've been watching Clone Wars series, and the hardening and definitely battle rage emotions are practically palpable, when he's slicing through them by thousands

In general, artifacts, specific locations or entire planets steeped in the dark side pose a threat to those sensitive to the Force; Dathomir is the prime example, having been responsible for Taron Malicos’s fall to the darkness

My question, then, is whether prolonged exposure to such an object or place could affect those who are not sensitive to the Force, to the same extent, or perhaps to a lesser degree?

Jedi, Sith, Nightsisters, Guardians of the Whills, the Church of the Force, Acolytes of the Beyond, and the more local practices we only glimpse all treat the Force as real. They do not treat each other as colleagues.

That is odd if the Force is an observable phenomenon. In a functioning knowledge culture, rival schools still agree on how a claim gets tested. Here, each order has a pedagogy and a moral rulebook, but no shared method for settling a dispute that is not a war.

So is “the Force” one thing with many interpretations or several political religions sharing a vocabulary?

Not looking for a winner. Looking for how these schools would even recognize a successful argument from a rival.

People often say that Ahsoka is overexposed in the franchise and it's ridiculous that she's still alive post-OT. The common take I see online is that Vader should've killed her in that Rebels episode. I get that. Vader kills her, cuts away yet another reminder of his past. It would've been solid, but also a little cliched? And expected? Kind of a retread of Vader killing Obi-Wan, or many other reminders of his past.

My hot take is that she should've died in the Venator crash. Imagine she barely misses the Y-Wing by a few inches and is killed. Rex recovers her remains, buries her, and makes the memorial. In that last scene with Vader, he comes across the site and recognizes what it is: Ahsoka's grave. The scene is then a moment of quiet reflection, one where Vader has to reckon with the fact that she's only dead because of him; things clearly only went sideways at the crash site because of Order 66, which never would've been issued if Vader hadn't interfered in the arrest. Vader might not have been the one to kill her, but his actions led to her death regardless. This can both be a moment of regret and also a moment where Vader again feels there's no going back and that he is unredeemable.

To me, this feels like it would've been a much more narratively tragic, but also thematically more interesting choice.

Yes, i know., it's another TIE series ranting post.

Recently i've stumbled upon an Instagram post about irl fighter pilot training costs. For example, training of F-16 combat ready pilot roughly take about 3-5 years from the ground up and costs half a dozen million dollars. And not to forget that percentage of people, who can be a jet fighter pilot is very low and even fewer people will be able to make it to the end. Also, each fighter roughly costs about 100-250 millions USD.

In conclusion we have a very elite, expensive to train and maintain combat unit. And this is fair for many other countries as well.

When we've reading about TIE pilots, training time are about the same. 3-4 years to became a pilot, and failure rate is 90%+. One of ten is able to make it out and survive. Thought it's not stated how much it costs to imperial taxpayers, we can assume that all training including academy maintaining, equipment, fuel and so on should be almost expensive as real life. But simple TIE/ln is costs half of a price of and X-Wing.

And what we see in almost every movie or TV series? Empire just spamming TIEs in a 5 to 1 ratio or higher, which is considerable to just throwing credits into X-wings to no purpose.

Yes, we are talking about fiction intergalactic regime with infinite money, but anyway - due to this difficulties in pilot training, empire should have at least shortage of good pilots or cut their training at least at half a year. Fighters are cheap, yes, but they are require an insane amount of skills in comparison.

TL;DR - Imperial Fighter Corps should have been experience shortage in good pilots and going bankrupt in like ten years BBY.

Imagine you're the captain of an ISD, out on patrol, searching for rebels in some lowkey sector of the galaxy when you learn that Palpatine and Vader are dead and the Empire is collapsing. Then you look to your crew and say...

"The Empire is gone, but we are here with a ship that can't be matched by anyone in this sector and the crew to run it. I say, we go into business for ourselves."

I genuinely believe that the Jedi and Sith of the Old Republic era were vastly superior in both combat ability and overall mastery of the Force compared to those of the Skywalker era. I also believe Darth Revan would defeat Darth Sidious or Yoda with relative ease in a direct confrontation.

Here's why.

1. Star Wars power progression went BACKWARDS, not forwards.

People seem to assume that because Sidious and Yoda came later in the timeline, they must represent the pinnacle of Jedi and Sith power. I believe the exact opposite.

The ancient Jedi and Sith existed during an era of nearly constant warfare between powerful Force users. They weren't simply studying lightsaber techniques in temples or practicing against training partners. They were fighting actual Jedi and Sith, often to the death.

Combat against other Force users was a regular part of their existence.

Compare that to the Jedi Order during the prequel trilogy. The Sith had supposedly been extinct for approximately 1,000 years. Entire generations of Jedi lived and died without ever encountering a Sith Lord.

How could their combat abilities possibly remain at the same level as those of warriors who fought Sith regularly?

2. Revan had more meaningful combat experience than Sidious and Yoda combined.

Revan fought in the Mandalorian Wars, participated in the Jedi Civil War, confronted powerful Jedi and Sith, and spent much of his life fighting some of the most dangerous individuals in the galaxy.

He wasn't just a scholar of the Force. He was a battle-hardened warrior and military genius whose abilities were repeatedly tested in actual combat.

Now compare him to Sidious.

How many genuinely powerful Jedi or Sith did Sidious personally fight before the Clone Wars? How many life-or-death lightsaber duels had he experienced?

Sidious spent most of his life operating from the shadows, manipulating politics and orchestrating events rather than personally fighting powerful Force users.

Yoda had centuries of experience teaching and studying the Force, but how much of that time involved actually fighting Sith Lords?

There is a massive difference between practicing a martial art for 800 years and spending decades fighting equally dangerous opponents who are actively trying to kill you.

Experience should mean something.

3. Kreia essentially confirms that ancient lightsaber combat was on another level.

One of my favorite observations in KOTOR II comes from Kreia, who compares contemporary duelists to children playing with toys when discussing the extraordinary combat abilities of the ancient Sith.

That observation perfectly illustrates my argument.

The ancient Sith developed their abilities in an environment where weakness meant death. Their techniques weren't merely ceremonial traditions. They were methods of survival against other extraordinarily powerful Force users.

Over the centuries, those techniques and the practical experience required to master them were increasingly lost.

The Jedi of the prequel era might have preserved the forms, but preserving a technique is not the same thing as mastering it through actual combat.

Imagine comparing a modern swordsman who has practiced fencing for 50 years against someone who has survived hundreds of actual sword fights against equally skilled opponents.

Who would you trust in a fight to the death?

4. Sidious losing to Mace Windu is one of the strongest arguments against his supposed superiority.

This is the part I find especially difficult to reconcile with people claiming Sidious would effortlessly defeat Revan.

Sidious literally lost his lightsaber duel against Mace Windu.

And who was Mace Windu?

An exceptional Jedi Master, certainly. But someone who had spent most of his life in an era when the Sith were believed extinct.

Windu had nowhere near Revan's experience fighting powerful Sith Lords.

Yet he defeated Sidious in direct lightsaber combat.

George Lucas has also indicated that Windu genuinely overpowered Sidious in that confrontation.

So let me get this straight.

Sidious loses a lightsaber duel to a Jedi who had comparatively little experience fighting Sith, but I'm supposed to believe he would defeat Revan, who spent years fighting powerful Force users during some of the bloodiest conflicts in galactic history?

I don't buy it.

And before someone brings up Vaapad, yes, Windu's fighting style was particularly effective against dark-side opponents. But that doesn't erase the fundamental point: Sidious was demonstrably beatable by a contemporary Jedi.

5. The ancient Sith possessed extraordinary Force abilities that make the prequel era look tame.

Look at the ancient Sith Emperor Vitiate.

He demonstrated extraordinary mastery of the dark side, including large-scale mental domination and rituals capable of consuming life on a planetary scale.

Look at figures like Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, and other ancient Sith Lords associated with immense dark-side knowledge and Sith sorcery.

These individuals existed in an era when the Sith were openly competing, fighting, and developing their powers against other formidable Force users.

And the Jedi had to become powerful enough to confront threats of that magnitude.

I think centuries of warfare pushed both orders to heights that were simply not replicated during the prequel era.

The Sith were terrifying because they were constantly competing against other Sith. The Jedi became exceptional warriors because they had to survive against them.

6. The Rule of Two may have actually weakened the Sith as combatants.

People often argue that Darth Bane's Rule of Two made the Sith progressively stronger because each apprentice was supposed to surpass their master.

But I question that assumption.

For centuries, the Sith went from entire armies of Force users fighting and competing against one another to just two individuals operating in secrecy.

Think about what was lost.

Instead of fighting dozens of powerful rivals, Sith apprentices primarily trained under one master. Instead of testing their abilities in galactic wars against Jedi armies, they operated covertly.

Yes, knowledge could be passed down. But combat experience cannot simply be inherited.

And there is no guarantee that every apprentice who killed their master was actually a superior warrior. Deception, assassination, and opportunism are not the same as winning a fair duel.

The Rule of Two may have made the Sith more effective at political manipulation and long-term survival, but that doesn't necessarily mean it produced superior fighters.

7. Revan was the kind of opponent Sidious and Yoda were simply not accustomed to facing.

Revan was not merely a powerful Jedi or Sith.

He understood both traditions, had extensive experience confronting Force users, possessed exceptional tactical intelligence, and had survived conflicts that would have been almost unimaginable to the Jedi of the prequel era.

Sidious was brilliant at manipulation, but manipulating the Republic into destroying itself is very different from defeating Revan in direct combat.

Yoda was an extraordinary teacher and master of the Force, but his age and reputation don't automatically make him a superior warrior to someone forged through years of Jedi-Sith warfare.

In a direct confrontation, with no political manipulation, armies, or outside interference, I would confidently favor Revan over either of them.

And not by a narrow margin.

My conclusion:

I believe the ancient Jedi and Sith represented a higher standard of combat ability and practical Force mastery than the Jedi and Sith of the Skywalker era.

The prequel Jedi inherited centuries of accumulated teachings, but they lacked the constant life-or-death competition that originally forged those techniques.

Sidious may have been the culmination of the Rule of Two, but that doesn't automatically make him the culmination of thousands of years of Sith combat prowess.

And Yoda's centuries of training don't automatically outweigh Revan's experience fighting actual Sith Lords.

My position is that Revan would defeat Sidious or Yoda decisively in a direct confrontation, and that many of the greatest ancient Jedi and Sith would be similarly dominant against their Skywalker-era counterparts.

I think Star Wars fans consistently underestimate just how dangerous the Old Republic era really was.

I'm genuinely interested in hearing arguments against this, but I'd especially like to hear explanations that don't simply rely on statements that Sidious was the most powerful Sith or Yoda was the greatest Jedi.

I’m in the middle of reading Master and Apprentice Novel, and I reached a part where Obi Wan talks about how Qui Gon puts his puts away on his own boots instead of leaving them in the center of the room for him to handle.

He said it in a way that implied it was his duty.

It made me curious as to what exactly a Padawan’s responsibilities are besides training, studying, serving as Jedi Commander, and being at their master’s side.

Are they like squires to knights?

The end of Empire Strikes Back (Empire) has Yoda mention "another" who we now know is Leia.

Let's say Luke slacks off in the year between Empire and Return of the Jedi or Yoda and Obi-Wan simply decide to pivot because they don't think Luke is ready to face Sidious and Vader. What happens? Does Leia replace Luke's role in the story? Does Luke go against Vader and Sidious by himself? Do they both go to the Death Star 2, leaving Endor entirely to Han? Does Leia even succeed in her training?

Star Wars has plenty of super rare, expensive metals and materials that different writers come up with. Beskar, Phrik, Cortosis, etc. Certain characters are lucky enough to get their hands on armour and weapons made of this stuff, and it serves them very well. Beskar and Phrik are very durable, even capable of withstanding a lightsaber blade. Pure cortosis literally shorts out a lightsaber for a period of time if the blade comes in contact with the metal. Cortosis can also be weaved into weapons like swords to make them immune to lightsaber blades.

This is very problematic however, for one reason. Why in the galaxy do important people like Darth Vader or General Grievous not have them? Seriously. It doesn't matter how rare these materials are, because if ANYONE has them, then the most important, high ranking warriors of giant galactic factions should have them.

General Grievous is already a fearsome Jedi hunter, a greater duelist than most Jedi Masters even. However, he isn't invincible, and a lightsaber blade can still slice through his armour fairly easily. Now if he was made of a lightsaber-resistant metal, he would be unstoppable! You would only be able to kill him with the force (which is already very hard and was only even accomplished by Mace Windu in the 2003 Clone Wars, and is much harder now since he can pressure you even more now due to being completely unthreatened by your weapon), or heavy cannons and artillery. This upgrade would make him overpowered, and would make him significantly more effective in combat, as well as being great protection for such a useful warrior and crucial Separatist figure, the leader of the Droid Army.

The same applies to Darth Vader. He is the apprentice, right hand, and enforcer of The Emperor, and a Jedi hunter as well. The Empire has access to way more than enough lightsaber-proof metals than is needed to armour him, and yet for some reason his suit and cybernetics aren't made of them? Why do only random people like random Mandalorians, or Qimir in The Acolyte, or some other people who are much less wealthy and important than people like Vader and Grievous, have these super-metals?

Speaking of Grievous, it seems that when some writer or writers saw the magnaguard's electrostaffs blocking lightsaber strikes, they didn't get the memo that the ELECTRO aspect of the staff that is sheathing the weapon with energy is shielding the weapon from the lightsaber blades, because they wrote that the staffs were made out of lightsaber-resistant Phrik. This is absolutely nonsensical, because if the CIS have access to enough of this metal to arm all their magnaguards with them, why are they using them for the staffs instead of making the guards themselves out of it? Plating the magnaguards (and Grievous himself) with Phrik would be much better and more useful, and also wouldn't be semi-redundant due to the fact that electrostaffs can block lightsabers anyway.

Another specific problem I have is with cortosis weave. If you can weave vibroswords with it, why don't you weave your armour with it? It would make you immune to lightsabers and blaster bolts, but instead you only do it for your sword? This lore only exists so that you can swordfight Jedi and Sith without a lightsaber.

At least Beskar gets a bit of a pass because you can say that the materials needed for it are basically exclusive to Mandalorian-controlled worlds, and that the difficult, mysterious forging methods for it are gatekept by the Mandalorians, but even then it doesn't completely explain it away, and I personally don't like the idea that only one specific culture has access to and benefits from this overpowered metal that is objectively better than any other.

My headcanon is that none of these materials are objectively better than the ones already used by the top dogs, just differently specialized.

Beskar is more durable than other armours, and can withstand around 5 seconds of lightsaber contact (or repeated strikes worth that much) without being sliced through, but it is also heavier than other armours. This also explains why Mandalorian armour has such limited coverage compared to most trooper armours, it would be too heavy otherwise. Beskar coverage like Jango Fett's or Din Djarin's is as heavy as wearing full durasteel, which is like wearing full medieval plate armour. That same coverage for durasteel is like wearing full Plastoid armour commonly worn by the troops of different factions.

This would explain why Vader, Grievous and many other people don't have top quality armour. The answer: they do! They chose the best armour of a specific weight. If they wore Beskar, the increase in protection would scale proportionally with the weight increase. We can also still have Beskar be unique and exclusive to Mandalorians by retaining its special strengths, just without it being some overpowered, unfair advantage that Mandalorians have.

Qui-Gon: You almost got yourself killed! Are you brainless?!

Jar Jar: I spek

Qui-Gon: The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.

***

Naboo was colonized by humans ~1000 years BBY, which is not that long for Star Wars considering technology's barely improved in the last 4000. We know the Gungans and humans of Naboo have very little contact, and Jar Jar, Boss Nass, and Captain Tarpals are the only ones we see actually speaking Basic (and even some of that could be translated for the audience's benefit)

So maybe being able to speak Basic is actually rare among Gungans, and Qui-Gon's assumption that Basic was Jar Jar's first language was from a very colonialist perspective.

In the Aftermath trilogy, Mas Amedda ends up leading a local puppet government on Coruscant, but in The Mandalorian, there is no sign of him. Rae Sloane's current status is unknown to me, and it is thought that Snoke deposed her to take control of the First Order, meaning she must have been in charge for quite some time. Additionally, the New Separatist Union is briefly mentioned in Empire's End and never brought up again. What fate do you think the writers planned for them.

I think that having more Jedi survivor Order 66 in Legends won't be a plot hole for the OG trilogy as I think rebel command deliberately kept their location a secret for security purposes.

We see the Rebels operating entire fleets of starfighters, capital ships, military bases, intelligence networks, and thousands of personnel across the galaxy. All of this would require an enormous amount of credits, resources, fuel, maintenance, food, weapons, and other supplies right?

I know that wealthy individuals and sympathetic senators like Bail Organa and Mon Mothma helped support the Rebellion, so was that enough to fund an entire military or did they have other way of acquiring funds?

If you are a non human in the SW galaxy would you actually be able to differentiate between human faces? And ditto humans for para-humans and aliens? Would faces only be recognisable by members of the same species?

Obviously they were highly politically involved, so the Senate and everyone in those circles would’ve known them (or the senior ones). But what about the general public?

We’ve seen people who think the Jedi are myths. We’ve seen people who recognise Jedi as a group. And after Order 66, presumably a lot of Jedi would’ve become household names by virtue of having bounties.

But how well known was, say, Yoda in the pre-imperial days? Would he have been publicly famous? Or was the concept of Jedi well known but the individuals relatively anonymous?

Based on the general idea that the New Republic was just a rehash of the old and didn't really fix any of the issues with the Old. How could the NR have been structured to avoid the problems of the old? Because it seems to me that blinding yourself to an external threat and wanting to stop before the enemy is fully crushed because the people are tired of war are both foibles to l common to basically any democratic system

In TPM, the Council (more specifically Ki-Adi-Mundi, but shared by Windu so I suppose it's agreed) that the Sith is gone or else they would have sense them. However, since the Sith should have been gone for so long, no one would have "senses" of the Sith. So they were assuming they would sense the Sith, or other similar challenging events in the wider Galaxy, not just Force-sensitive events like the Sith.

We see it again in AotC, when Obi-wan reports the clone army. Windu and Yoda both agree they failed to sense the clone army, their foresight has diminished and they probably should to report this to the Senate. Suggesting not only their foresight is not-Force-related-events only, but also such powers are used in the past to alert the Senate or other policymakers, and the fact should be reported.

(Slight tangent, actually, how did the Jedi not sense all the events leading to the Clone Wars? Did Palpatine & Co. deliberately perform some kind of interference to hide their activity or the Jedi simply overestimated their abilities would be able to detect such disturbances?)

Considering we know there a few conflicts prior to the Clone Wars: Stark hyperspace war, the Huk/Kaleesh-Yam'rii war, the (latest of many) Mandalorian civil war, and many in Legends. If such is the case, do we know how many times, and to what extend do the Jedi Order sense or foresee any sort of big disturbances of galactic events and if they responded in some kind?

^{Other than Sifo-Dyas foreseeing and commission the clone army in the first place.}

Title. Assuming that he never dueled Kenobi and died (and desired to join the Alliance for whatever reason), would the rebels as a whole, or at least a few major cells, have attempted to use his services? How much would they have known about his previous crimes and manipulations? Also, what if he tried to brute force his way through Alliance leadership (e.g. Organa, Mothma, etc.)?

I know that Luke uses the force to guide the torpedoes down the exhaust port, but would it have been possible without that?

I believe the X-wings were retrofitted with the torpedoes so they weren't really suited to make the shot, but maybe the Y-Wings which are actually purpose made bombers could have done it if only they were fast enough to dodge the TIE fighter fire?

I seem to recall the old EU said that the trench run was later used as a training sim for pilots later on?

To elaborate, imagine if the Death Star explosion is much greater than in canon, and simultaneously wipes out both the rebel fleet and the entire defending imperial fleet

What I am specifically asking is:

* What Are the laws (both written or unwritten) of the force that prevents them from going all out into God Mode (in the same vein as Starkiller or Luke Skywalker) at the drop of the hat?

* How long does it take for a force user to train, study, gain experiences and win some fights to get to any power level to feasibly lift a tank off the ground then smash it against the wall and wipe out whole squads of gunmen on their own for example?

* How risky and dangerous it is for any force user to try to break their limits at the cost of their bodies taking debilitating toll (like torn muscles, broken bones, bleeding noses, migraines, ETC)

* What sacrifices must any force user offer to get anywhere to their peak performances when wielding the power of the force?

* What happens when any Jedi, Sith, Dark Jedi or any other practitioner of the (like say the Aing-Tii) attempt to both literally and metaphorically punch above their weight when they try to take on an entire army on their own with just the force and their lightsabers?

Hi!
So this is something that has been bugging me for a long time.
In the Clone Wars show, there's an episode in which the CIS attacks Kamino (and I believe that event also happens in Legends, if I'm not mistaken. Never actually read the comic books, though).

But why would Dooku and Palpatine allow such a thing to happen? I always felt like this would jeopardize the war, and therefore, the Plan, if the CIS managed to win.

Now, I don't know if there's an official explanation to this. But I thought about two headcanon theories that could explain this (It's been a while since I actually watched the episode of the show, so tell me if I'm wrong on the details).

1. As far as I remember, Dooku is not in that one episode. So a simple explanation could simply be that Grevious decided on his own to attack the planet, without approval from Dooku. HOWEVER, I seem to remember that Ventress is in the episode. And given the fact that Ventress is Dooku's apprentice, I suppose this means that Dooku would be aware about the whole thing and allowed Ventress to join the battle, so this explanation doesn't really work.

2. Another possible explanation. Now, at first, I thought that defeating Kamino would jeopardize the war, but actually, not really! I mean, there are already millions of clones stationed everywhere around the galaxy. The Republic already has all the clones they need. Sabotaging the production of clones wouldn't really change anything to the war, because once a clone is born, it takes 10 years for them to reach maturity anyway!

Now, why would Palpatine order the attack on Kamino? My theory, is that at this point of the war, maybe Palpatine has already decided that after the war, all the clones will be replaced by human recruits for his new Empire. And as stated earlier, every new clone needs a whole decade before being ready for war, and Palpatine knows that he will absolutely not need any additional clones in 10 years!

So basically, Kamino had already served its purpose and Palpatine doesn't need it anymore. BUT he cannot simply say to the senate, right in the middle of the war :''We are going to stop clone production''. I'm sure there would be outrage. That would be as if Roosevelt, during WWII, decided to stop the production of military equipment. So instead, he relies on the CIS to stop the clone production.

HOWEVER, I then remembered that in this same season of the show (or another season maybe? I don't remember), there's an episode in which, iirc, Palpatine declares to the senate that they are going to increase clone production (which doesn't make much sense, since again, even if you increase clone production, it will take a whole decade before those clones are ready to fight...).

So yeah, do you guys have any theory? Or is there an official explanation to this?

(In this post, I talked about the episode of the Clone Wars show, but you can still talk about the Kamino invasion in Legends too!)

Thanks and may the Force be with you!

My knowledge of the lore is not hugely extensive but I'm pretty sure not all Imperials were treated as war criminals. We've known of many defectors and ex-Imperials throughout Legends and Canon but I'm not actually aware how Stormtroopers were treated after the fall of the Empire. Surely not all of them joined the Remnants and not all of them were zealots.

Anyway as a thought, what do you suppose will happen to the First and Final Order post IX? Knowing that many of the FO were kidnapped children, would they try to reunite them with their long lost families? Would they try and assess if these soldiers are capable of being reintegrated into galactic society or if they've become too indoctrinated?

The Final Order, now there's a more curious point. Presuming they've never known anything else besides being raised on that planet and the Sith teachings, what do you even do with them?

Starfighter will address the fact that the state of the galaxy is not likely to be a very civil and lawful one after the Sequel trilogy but whether we find out much about what happens to the FO, who knows. So what do you think?

Papa Palpatine is almost always presented as the man who can do anything now as the Emperor with a dark robe and deformed face and cackling as he shoots lighting out of his fingers at the bickering politicians, the corrupt bureaucrats, or the incompetent officials. But was he actually the all-power emperor as presented? Surely running a galaxy-spanning government means reasonable concessions and comprises on certain things to smooth things over.

I don't mean things that are physically impossible to accomplish ("Take the planet Corusant and push it somewhere else"); operationally unable to achieve ("I want all the rebels in the galaxy dead tomorrow by 2"); things he never express interest to ("Liberate all the slaves and institute an universal basic income").

Anything he clearly wanted to do as Emperor, but due to how much trouble it would do he didn't do it. Like disbanding the Senate, which he couldn't do it before the Death Star was completed.
The things he, as the legal, political, and administrative powers recognized as Emperor of the Galactic Empire, could do.