r/BeAmazed • u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 • 23h ago
Skill / Talent I need more Maori-achi in my life!
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u/OldManHermit7 22h ago
Didn't understand a single word they said, but the harmony was 🔥
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u/witch_dyke 17h ago
Most of it is too fast for me
But after the "hu ha" bit they say "haere mai rā, ngā iwi o te motu" which could translate to "Come to me, the tribes of the island"
Its also sounds like they might be saying Taranaki in parts, which is a place and an iwi (tribe)
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u/Acceptable-Cry9854 22h ago
If im not mistaken it almost sounds like theyre covering The Way
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u/witch_dyke 17h ago
Doesn't really matter if the melody is recognisable, we have a history of using the melodies of existing songs in our own stuff
A Ha Ka Ma Na (our alphabet song) is to the melody of stupid cupid
E minaka ana is to the melody of something stupid by sinatra
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u/eggytang 16h ago edited 15h ago
This practice was largely the result of missionaries doing faith based assimilation and it’s quite common for popular Māori songs to borrow directly from popular music.
While those same colonial roots also contributed to the often violent suppression of Māori children speaking their native tongue in the last two decades here has been a massive push to revive the language.
So now popular song is often used to make te reo Māori more palatable for those that don’t speak it.
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u/BeholdBarrenFields 23h ago
I once had the pleasure of visiting a Māori marae for kapa haka. I loved the culture of sitting around singing together. (I was not as good at the dancing bit.)
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u/MutedBefore 21h ago
Something that I love about the culture is how much singing is just ingrained as part of it.
Nobody has any shame, it’s lead the waiata from an early age and do it at the top of your lungs seems to come so naturally because it’s so normalised
And because of that, everyone has a fucking great voice.
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u/eggytang 17h ago edited 14h ago
Unfortunately many of their European counterparts are too proud to showcase any fluency in the creative arts.
As someone who grew up in rural New Zealand it might be even considered ‘soft’ to express yourself. Many are the men in my family exhibit the stoic manner of a rock.
Special mention to my dear late grandpa who could play piano, sing and is the only family member that understood my chosen career path as a musician. I started to earn a living in the arts around the time he began exhibiting signs of dementia (music always brought him a brief respite from his catatonic state as he would sign along to his favourite tunes) but I cherish those memories talking shop over whisky. But I digress..
Unfortunately due to this rigid masculinity and refusal to acknowledge their emotions after they have a few too many drinks, it’s not uncommon for those pent up feelings to find an outlet. Typically in self hatred, anger or an irrational urge to fight someone over the most insignificant perceived slight.
Don’t repress yourself lads.
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u/Loretta-West 18h ago
"Māori have a natural talent for singing" would be problematic. "Māori culture involves a lot of singing and people who sing a lot are better at it" is not.
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u/prolateriat_ 18h ago
Did you not read the last sentence?
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u/witch_dyke 17h ago
Because of [singing often and from a young age], everyone has a great voice. That's just facts
Literally every single person i know who was raised immersed in māori culture is great at singing, without exception
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u/adsjabo 18h ago
Cry about it ya melt
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u/prolateriat_ 17h ago
Oh so you're fine with racism?
Only melt here is you mate.
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u/yourticket2paradise 17h ago
What are you even crying about? Why are you the only one offended? I bet you don’t even know any Polynesian people in the first place
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u/prolateriat_ 17h ago
What the fuck are you on about?
My son and his father are Maori.
I grew up with Maori, Samoan, Tongan, Fijian, etc friends.
But I would expect an Aussie to be fine with racism. No surprises there.
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u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 23h ago
My bucket list includes a trip to NZ to experience something like that! My mother is in her mid seventies now, and hopefully I can go with her. She would love to visit Hobbiton 😊
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u/BeholdBarrenFields 23h ago
I’ve been three times but never made it to Hobbiton. I made Māori friends, so that’s how I scored an invite to the marae. But you can do a tourist version to see an official performance. I’ve done the tourist version twice, once in Christchurch and the other at Waitangi.
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u/bagpussnz9 23h ago
well worth a visit! Make sure you do the banquet - and book ahead...way way ahead (I live an hour from "hobbiton") and still needed to book a few months ahead
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u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 23h ago
Will do!! I'm so jealous!! I will also have to look for a tour that is accessible for handicapped people. My mother isn't in a wheelchair, but going up hill and downhill plus a lot of walking is just not doable for her anymore because of heel spurs, fibromyalgia, and arthritis.
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u/bagpussnz9 22h ago
I remember there was a lady in our tour that had similar needs - they do golf cart tours with their own guide for such cases. I am sorry to hear about your mother - fibromyalgia is horrible. It took my daughter a number of different doctors to even be taken seriously. (I'm glad its recognized as a condition now).
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u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 22h ago
Unfortunately, my sister has it as well. She's 44 now and almost completely limited to a motorized wheelchair outside of the house. She has a plethora of health issues besides just that, including back problems requiring surgery every 2-3 years, no cartilage in her knees, an ankle she broke 4 times within 8 years which never healed right, etc. etc.
Thank you so much for the direction, I appreciate it!
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u/notinmywheelhouse 21h ago
Has she been tested for EDS Ehlers-Danlos syndrome?
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u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 16h ago
Is so funny you say that... I have many markets for Ehlers Danlos but have not been formally diagnosed. Two completely different podiatrists fifteen years apart had the same thought. I wouldn't think my sister did, but now you got me thinking. Thank you 🙏❤️
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u/MacaroonAcrobatic183 15h ago
Kiwi with cEDS here, this thread gave me whiplash lol. All the best for you and your sister
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u/Vast_Maize9706 20h ago
My mum did it in her late 70s with mobility issues. Hope you can manage it. Good luck
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u/the_kiwi_lad 20h ago
Did they tell you 68 percent of children in protective custody belong to Maori? Or that 52 percent of there country's prison system are Maori? It's funny how cultures portray one thing when another is their truth. It ain't amazing trust me. Lol
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u/fuzzbug666 19h ago
Awful take. Change your username. Can’t call yourself a kiwi without respect for Māori. And as the person who responded to you said, the Māori were/are oppressed. It wasn’t that long ago it was illegal to speak te reo.
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u/the_kiwi_lad 13h ago
Couldn't give a rat's arse!✌️ Maori have more opportunity to succeed subsidised via NZ tax dollars everywhere!! Fucken take advantage of it and get rich as fuck and stop crying over white people decades ago you never encountered!!? And the stats are actual stats so give me a rim job!✌️🖕
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u/Idustriousraccoon 20h ago
Thats not really an indictment of Māori society. Thats an indictment of the colonizing state. Maybe keep learning about this. The culture can be beautiful and the state can be oppressive. Rules and laws can be unfair to certain demographics very much on purpose. Im from America. Trust me.
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u/prolateriat_ 18h ago
You're from America, so you have absolutely no idea.
Worry about the indigenous people in your own country. You know... The ones you forced to get sterilized.
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u/Devilz_Advocate_ 16h ago
What’s your point? OP here doesn’t seem to be celebrating the treatment of Native Americans.
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u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 47m ago
Thank you! All I am doing is sharing some wonderful music made in a friendly setting. I don't know of statistics from New Zealand regarding the population. I am from the US, and I am very familiar with the systemic racism of Black people, and the whitewashing of history regarding Native Americans. I'm just sharing good vibes.
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u/the_kiwi_lad 20h ago
P S. I'd never trust a yank. And have lived in NZ my whole life alongside Maori bullshit!🤣✌️
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u/Creepy_Chemical5585 19h ago
The fact you are attributing this to race says way more about you and your beliefs than anything else. When you control for socioeconomic factors and geography the non/Maori difference in crime goes way down. In other words Maori have been marginalized economically and socially in NZ society. When you control for sentencing and police bias it goes down further. And when you control for intergenerational trauma of various kinds it disappears. Im pretty sure you're not actually advocating for addressing any of these factors (because that would mean helping poor people). So don't pretend you actually want to change this, unless it involves hurting people you don't like. You're just using this issue for your own anti Maori bias, and outing yourself in the process. If you don't understand, read a book. I doubt that will happen.
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u/the_kiwi_lad 19h ago edited 18h ago
Maori are to blame for being Maori and the shithole the dig for themselves today unfortunately. NZ is a multi cultural melting pot and we have immigrants arriving uneducated and can't speak English to our country that succeed and behave themselves better than Maori do. Again I've got a whole life of experiencing it. They went to school and learnt the same as me. Nobody's fault they decided to steal cars instead of learn and work for a living.✌️
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u/Emergency_Lie42 16h ago
You got jumped in high school and never let it go aye bro 🤣
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u/CottonTipsMcChancla 16h ago
Dude, you’re not helping with those negative stereotypes.
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u/Emergency_Lie42 16h ago
Yeah I'm not going to defend that comment, this person just clearly has some fuckin trauma to work through and I wanted to bait them into sharing it.
Everyone was scrappy in high school. Can't forget the NZ Euro kids playing shinnies in front of the dean's office every lunch break.
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u/TheTwistedToast 18h ago
Damn, man. You sound really racist. South island?
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u/Gooseboof 13h ago
Why explore new thoughts and perspectives when you could remain entrenched in ignorance? Good on ya mate!
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u/moodychair 18h ago
The kiwi lad. So proud of you and what you do for nz. /s
You fucking drop kick.
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u/eggytang 17h ago edited 16h ago
Bro, what a abhorrent comment to make.
People are people.
While we in New Zealand have done SOMETHING to acknowledge our indigenous culture (albeit far too little and far too late), we are steeped in the same colonialist tradition and way too many of us think the thoughts like you presented here today.
If you really care about our Māori children or Māori incarceration rates you would do well to advocate for a better welfare system and more pathways for our marginalised people to get mental health, drug rehabilitation and employment support.
But I have a feeling that for you that would seem like a ‘hand out’.
You’re comments lack an understanding of why poverty exists, how poverty leads to crime and drug abuse and ultimately prison.
The ONLY way to address this is by investing in preventive care. When you support your people, they will support you.
And if you’re lacking this much empathy, it costs less in the long run because it’s costs so much in welfare, prison and other societal consequences than if we just invest in our fellow citizens.
I have no words for the disgust I feel having read your comment.
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u/XasiAlDena 17h ago
Based on my experiences with polynesians they can basically all sing like this, it's just in the genes.
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u/gurbus_the_wise 16h ago
It's not in the genes, it's in the traditions. Anyone will learn to hold a tune if they've been singing in groups for all their lives.
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u/Cautious_Inspection1 15h ago
False, am Māori, cannot hold a tune despite trying my whole life
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u/Omnamashivaaya 13h ago edited 13h ago
Neither is true. The only factor known to change singing ability in a population are tonal languages (languages that use tones as well as syllables to express meaning, like Mandarin).
If children learn a tonal language before age 7, their language center actually develops in the music center of their brain.
The guys singing are in a group and perform live together, that’s why everyone else is listening.
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u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 44m ago
That's very interesting, and I am interested in learning more if you have a link to a study or documentary.
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u/velofille 5h ago
Very true - they are singing from babies and its very much a culture thing, they are amazing singers (except the guy below maybe)
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u/heatseekerdj 5h ago
Oceanic languages evolved over time have a lot of vowels with long words so their words carry in the ocean air
Contrasted to eastern European like Poland/Baltics/Russia who have a lot of constants and short punchy words because they communicate close due to their climate
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u/Ecstatic_Freedom9179 23h ago
But how is their Carne Asada
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u/porirua_pelican 21h ago
NZ has some of the best bbq culture in the world. Christmas-time BBQ is an unofficial national tradition
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u/sixincomefigure 16h ago
Bro, what? Our BBQ culture is chucking a tray of Hellers sausages and some dodgy Countdown satay skewers on a rusty Masport and burning the shit out of them. Having Christmas in summer does not mean we're good at BBQing!
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u/porirua_pelican 14h ago
What sort of bbqs do you go to?! I’m slightly partial to a double cheese sizzler, but generally if someone offered up that sort of crap they’d usually have their bbq hosting rights rescinded fairly quickly.
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u/Ok-Disk-2191 19h ago
Yup Aussie have strimp on the barby and Kiwis have lamb on the spit.
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u/porirua_pelican 19h ago
Not sure how much to read into that “lamb on a spit” comment 🤣
But yes, Aussies have got a pretty damn good bbq scene too
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u/Ok-Disk-2191 19h ago
I remember all the BBQs I went to growing up had hangi and spit roasts, plus my parents old bakery used to roast full pigs for people in the oven.
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u/neotearoa 19h ago
Kiwi bank lamb on a spit , my P town friend 😂. Another 04 here..
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u/porirua_pelican 19h ago
That bloody Kiwi Bank sheep…
I’m not from Porirua (never have lived there), but yep I’m 04 based too
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u/elmersfav22 18h ago
My Maori mate reckons all the kids have to sing a song to get their presents on Xmas morning. And some of the kids put on full numbers. Wit a backing band. His proudest so far was when his 8 yr old son did Metallica nothing else matters with guitar. Reckons he practised for 9 months
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u/bthks 19h ago
awful. the mexican food here is rough.
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u/georgeec1 10h ago
It's very much cooked to our palette, and while I think it is often delicious, I can understand that it's probably not very authentic.
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u/bthks 8h ago
The last time I ordered a taco (under duress, it was my only option) I asked for the highest spice option, which I would never, ever, in a million years dream of doing in the US, and the taco almost vaguely had flavor.
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u/Huge_Step_8920 6h ago
It's almost like it's a different culture with few immigrants from Mexico or something?
Fuck Yanks are annoying.
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u/bongohappypants 22h ago
I think of all the vocal teachers who busted my balls about perfect posture and there's bro chillin' in the corner with his cool hat blowing that shit up. Goddamn.
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u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 23h ago
If anyone knows more about these guys in particular, or about this style of music, I would be very interested in hearing more. Recommendations are appreciated!
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u/LittleOne0121 22h ago
So this is what happens when uncle is a box of beer deep at the shed party, unplugs the speaker and grabs his guitar. We all know all the words to all the songs and it’s a great time.
These guys are just doing it sober and showing us all up.
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u/skerrickity 20h ago
I was sitting here typing out a translation for you, until I saw that you posted the same video 9 months ago and got 2.5k likes from it.
Go back to your old post and have a look through the 74 comments there
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u/Bektrim 18h ago
https://youtu.be/cjCSUtO3_c8?si=qVpZ5lPaUEUTJ9Ef
this is the same group during a live performance
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u/EvilMaran 17h ago
"video not available anymore" for me (in the Netherlands)
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u/datumerrata 12h ago
It worked for me, but the underscore was escaped try this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjCSUtO3_c8
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u/Due_College8227 14h ago
On a rugby trip to NZ our team was meant to sing a song after their team had sung to us. We practiced singing Waltzing Matilda after training for weeks. They sang a traditional song with voices of angels and then they had to endure two minutes of the most terrible harmonies ever heard in NZ. Love NZ
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u/No-Can-6237 19h ago
Some of the best nights were in Piri Tainui's garage after the pub closed. If I could go back 40 years.
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u/TheGhoulOne 19h ago
I have not a clue what the song is about or means, but I don't care one wit! That was a masterful performance, and the voices of those guys, wowza! Kudos!
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u/executive313 10h ago
I really wish I was Polynesian purely because of the friendship that they all seem to have. Like I have never seen a video of just one Polynesian dude. It's always 10-50 of these guys doing stuff together. Like if I got a group of this many generic white guys in a room singing songs it would be a god damn Klan rally or an Irish folk group and I'm not Irish enough to do that one...
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u/_bufflehead 1h ago
What a gorgeous mash-up of beautiful styles! Goosebumps all over the place. Tears in my eyes. ❤️
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u/toejamjaz 13h ago
All the islander nations sing a little differently but it always sounds like a celebration. They seem to be having just a little it more fun than the rest of us at all times
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u/philthy_barstool 17h ago
There must be some decent engineering goes into designing stackable plastic chairs for the Māori population
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u/chatam94 22h ago
Is this good or annoying? I feel like this is equivalent of me not understanding how high fashion is appealing
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