This is lunacy, right?

[u/PsychologicalBend508]

An Islamic terrorist who belonged to Al-Qaeda and later Isis has been spotted shopping at King Charles’ local Co-op.

Mohammed Yaseen was free to walk the streets near Windsor Castle after he was allowed to stay in Britain on human rights grounds.

Yaseen was part of the Al Qaeda group that beheaded Briton Ken Bigley before joining a unit in Isis that carried out stonings, beheadings and mass executions.

He was released from prison last week after serving just six months of a two-year sentence for illegally entering the country on a small boat, following a near five-year prison term in Germany for his Isis membership.

The Foreign Office has raised concerns he could face ‘mistreatment’ if he were returned to Iraq because of his terrorist past, the Mail on Sunday reports.

Experts have said Yaseen could cost the taxpayer £85,000 as the Home Office pays for his stay in accomodation and his food allowance.

Chris Philp, Shadow Home Secretary, said: ‘We are paying through the nose to feed, clothe and house individuals who pose a clear threat. If Andy Burnham took this seriously, he would deport this man at once.’

A court in Germany heard in 2020 that Yaseen was involved in bomb attacks that killed US troops in Iraq.

He also served as a security guard for Isis, including during at least two mass executions where the victims included children.

Yaseen was intercepted last December by Border Force. He gave officials a false name before routine biometric checks revealed his true identity.

At his trial at Winchester Crown Court, prosecutor Steven Molloy said Yaseen had a ‘deeper and lengthy involvement in terrorism and Islamic extremist ideology’.

It is understood that Yaseen was cleared to walk around town with an ankle tag and observe a 6pm to 6am curfew.

However these restrictions did not stop him going to Windsor Great Park or to the castle.

Yaseen grew up in western Iraq and became a member of Islamic State of Iraq, a franchise of Al Qaeda, aged just 16.

[u/Unusual_Technology66]

There he goes again, carefully working the same old shit into the soil and hoping no one notices it never grows anything worth taking seriously.

[u/Successful-Yak-5537 → u/Unusual_Technology66]

The 'same old shit' not worth taking seriously here referring to the development of Western jurisprudence and moral philosophy over the last two thousand years

It is always the angry men claiming to want to protect the rest of society who pose its greatest dangers

[u/Flying_spanner1 → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

So what do you think so be done with this person? Let him walk around freely and assume that he will be fine?

He did give a false name when he entered this country. There was a reason for this.

[u/Successful-Yak-5537 → u/Flying_spanner1]

I think he should be treated as the law requires.

Which is exactly what is happening.

I do not think we should lynch him for crimes he has already been held to account for. I do not think we should dispense with the idea of human rights because we despise and fear some humans.

[u/chanbr → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

I think the problem is that there should be some kind of release valve for edge cases like this lest the general public gets fed up to the point of trying to throw it all out altogether (which is definitely not something I would personally advocate). Those who advocate for policies like the ECHR should understand that there are and will always be difficult cases like this that aren't in the best interest of the citizenry and, if they don't like what other people are suggesting, should have their own suggestion on what to do that isn't just turning a blind eye--people have already seen what happens with that, in the grooming gang situation which was a toxic mix of classism towards working class folk, misogyny, red tape, and people being afraid of harming an already vulnerable minority community (or being called racist, in some cases).

The reason other people ideally buy into stuff like the ECHR is because they feel like it will protect them when they are in trouble and that the justice system can mete out punishment otherwise. But if they feel like it's protecting people who flout the rules over the rule followers, they're going to start questioning if it's worth keeping it around. It's the same reason why we don't see vigilantism very often anymore, or family blood feuds; we trust the government to have and use that power (generally) responsibly. Which is generally accepted as a good thing overall. The less trust people have in a system to resolve things, the more likely it is they'll strike out on their own and do it themselves. Just as a recent example, the rioting in France, which isn't particularly peaceful, because they don't trust the cops to treat them well in a nonviolent protest scenario.

Ultimately the ECHR is an honor system, with the currency being community trust. People need to know there's a fix for loopholes that allow guys like this to wander around freely after explicitly and illegally entering and staying. They need to know the people who back these systems understand their concerns and will work to remove it to prevent people taking advantage of it and using it to hurt them. Fixing it builds trust that can be used to help legitimate refugees and people who are in danger.

Again, not saying y'all should leave the ECHR; I, like you, don't think that's a good idea in the long run. But I also am concerned that just ignoring it and calling people who don't like it racist bigots is going to be good for the perception of those rules, and there should be an alternative avoiding refoulment that its advocates generally agree will be acceptable, you know? Just so the "average citizen" doesn't feel like they're being taken for a ride. I think the ECHR can be reformed to fit modern immigration concerns at least.

[u/ThrobbingGristle → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

>I think he should be treated as the law requires.

It’s comments like this that show a lack of a critical mind, and therefore a complete waste of time trying to have a conversation with you.

[u/Successful-Yak-5537 → u/ThrobbingGristle]

It was great talking with you

[u/No-Market425 → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

When was he "held to account" for beheading, stoning and bombing?

[u/Successful-Yak-5537 → u/No-Market425]

Do a quick Google search to understand the history here, and what he has and has not actually done. He was convicted in Germany of membership of ISIS. There is no suggestion that he has beheaded, stoned, or bombed anyone.

[u/therapistnonce → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

Why the fuck is a member of isis here and on benefits?

[u/Successful-Yak-5537 → u/therapistnonce]

He hasn't been a member of ISIS since 2014, and he is not on benefits.

If people like you were so certain of the correctness of their views they would not feel the need to continuously exaggerate or fabricate this story.

[u/therapistnonce → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

Ok, you got me there… allow me to correct myself

Why the fuck is a former member isis being housed and represented at the taxpayers expense

Explain to me why thats in the people of this islands best interests as opposed to hogtying him
On the next plane back to whatever region of the desert he hails from?

[u/No-Market425 → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

You're an unserious person.

Send him to Iraq where he can answer for his crimes.

You clearly don't want him to be "held to account".

[u/Agile-Candle-626 → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

He still willingly joined an organisation famous for brutal treatment of people with a twisted and disgusting view on human rights, and is now using the exact thing he was fighting to remove from others to protect himself.

I suppose the question to understand would be if ISIS hadn't fallen, would he still be with them?

[u/Successful-Yak-5537 → u/Agile-Candle-626]

He voluntarily left them after one year. He was duly tried and convicted of membership of ISIS.

and is now using the exact thing he was fighting to remove from others to protect himself.

[u/Agile-Candle-626 → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

So? He still spent a year with them, and broke another law to come to the UK by entering illegally

[u/Successful-Yak-5537 → u/Agile-Candle-626]

Yes, and he was convicted of his one-year membership of ISIS and sentenced to over 4 years in prison. He was convicted of entering the UK illegally and sentenced to 2 years in prison, and has since been recalled for breaching his license conditions.

Equip yourself with the facts first.

[u/Flying_spanner1 → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

So he may have served his time but how can we be sure that he is still not radicalised? It takes a ‘ special’ type of person to have taken part of the crimes listed above. Generally no normal person does it.

[u/Successful-Yak-5537 → u/Flying_spanner1]

What crimes do you believe he was convicted of?

Having concern for his radicalisation is reasonable, as is doing something to investigate that and confront it. Abandoning the law and deporting him to certain death is not.

[u/Flying_spanner1 → u/Successful-Yak-5537]

Well we don’t know what crimes he has done or not done. UK will not have all the records. Unfortunately, what ever crimes he may have committed will never be known.

The fact is he was part of a group that has done some awful crimes and unfortunately his ideology would probably be something similar. It will most likely never be possible to investigate if he has committed any crimes as for his group those actions were never a crime.

The law should also protect civilians. We shouldn’t have to pay £85K to protect him.