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u/Gassyking 7h ago

If you read the behind the scenes accounts of what was going on at Bioware, all their problems were their own, not EA's.

Anthem for example, was all Bioware and their atrocious managements fault. This not an EA thing, Bioware just gravely lost their way

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u/Sylvers 6h ago

Very true. I love dumping on EA as much as anyone. But shockingly enough, they kept Bioware funded WAY longer than I thought they had any right to ask.

You can't push flop after flop for over a decade and somehow get another more hundreds of millions to fund the next likely flop.

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u/Englishgamer1996 6h ago

I recall during the Anthem deep-dives that suggested the guys from EA had to encourage the devs to leave/implement flying into the game, so the only good thing about that game was a result of EA’s intervention lmao

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u/Sylvers 6h ago

Really? That's crazy. I thought it was Bioware's idea lol. It's a no brainer for that game tbh. They literally made Ironman the game. How do you not include flying?

Bioware is such a strange beast. They used to have incredible ideas. Their Bioware formula was peerless back in the day. But after DA Inquisition, they lost any connection to the original vision outside of the name.

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u/Englishgamer1996 6h ago

Skillup did a pretty interesting post-mortem on the game after his review. Worth a watch just for the comedy

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u/Routine-Hovercraft94 6h ago

Yeah, EA for sure is a shit company. But lets not act like none of these wasn't party Biowares fault.
The fact is the quality of the games have been shit for years and the people who actually made all those amazing games back then, for the most part already left that sinking ship years ago.

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u/DreiImWeggla 6h ago

They could have changed leadership? Hell they could have rebuilt the whole studio, they own them.

Now Mass Effect and Dragon Age will be in permanent landfill like C&C. Two of the most beloved franchise in 2000s gaming, joining the late 90s.

Fuck EA, they are responsible for Biowares state

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u/popcio2015 4h ago

They could have changed leadership? Hell they could have rebuilt the whole studio, they own them.

You do realize you're admitting here that BioWare was incompetent, suggest that EA should treat them like toddlers and do their work for them?

EA greenlights projects, gives funding, checks their progress and manages deadlines, etc. Actual game design and implementation is the responsibility of the studio, not the publisher.

And rebuilding the studio is no different from closing it. If you do that, you're essentially closing the studio and using its name later, but those are two completely different studios.

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u/DreiImWeggla 3h ago

I'm treating them like a group company where C*O position get switched all the time. And it's a lot different to replace incompetent management than building something new from the ground up.

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u/Arcadian_Stag 5h ago

Stop dick riding bioware, awful studio that are indeed directly responsible for their own demise due to insane management decisions (not EA's fault) and terrible games. They didn't release anything that wasn't flaming garbage for 15 years. Good riddance.

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u/DreiImWeggla 5h ago

It's not my fault you can't read man, be angry at yourself?

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u/Wolfsrune 5h ago

With any luck, the IPs for Dragon Age and Mass Effect, might get sold off to a good team and we get both back to the good days quality. That or we get some good spiritual successors for them. Not holding my breath, but....

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u/DreiImWeggla 5h ago

I've been waiting for EA to sell Medal of Honor, Command and Conquer or SimCity longer than the average Fortnite fan has been alive... Maybe Saudis are greedy enough to let go of an IP, let's hope

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u/Grumpiergoat 7h ago

EA contributed. My understanding is Dragon Age 2 was rushed out the door because of pressure from EA to get another game out, fast. So EA is partly to blame but people are underplaying how much BioWare shot itself in the foot.

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u/Sellum 6h ago

That was 15 years ago.

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u/Grumpiergoat 6h ago

All the pieces matter. It played into BioWare's demise.

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u/ThanatosIdle 2h ago

No. That is the last time you can blame EA for a Bioware problem. After that they stepped back. Anthem was entirely Bioware's idea. Andromeda was entirely Bioware's failure. And Veilguard's stop start dev cycle was Bioware again....if anything EA was asleep at the wheel and let them putter around for years wasting millions and producing nothing.

EA is not what killed Bioware.

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u/Tali565345 3m ago

Didn't EA make them use the the frostbite engine. I mean I've not played a single good game outside of battlefield and battlefront , that's based on the frostbite engine. Even if Andromedas or Inquisitions writing and gameplay design were better, they'd still be on my worst buys list, dze to the winky ass engine.

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u/Melodic_Crow_3409 6h ago

The Bioware that gave us Anthem is not the Bioware that gave us our first journey out of Candlekeep.

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u/Ranwulf 6h ago

"BIOWARE MAGIC"

Inquisition was such a terrible experience for the developers that a lot of them want it to fail so something would change inside the company.

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u/tea_snob10 5h ago

Both Anthem and The Veilguard were very expensive, mega failures, nearly entirely on Bioware and not EA. In this industry, getting a decade of not only one, but two pricey AF failures, will pretty much kill you, especially since one of those (DA: The Veilguard) had a full blown lucrative IP behind it. The weird part was that EA actually had relatively low expectations for player engagement, and the Veilguard met like half of that. The studio was borderline suicidal.

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u/money-for-nothing-tt 2h ago

Yeah, obviously nothing to do with EA causing high employee turnover just prior to the development of those games. No, entirely on BioWare.

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u/Ramiren 7h ago

So nobody at EA told them to chase the live service trend.

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u/Antermosiph 5h ago

iirc there were interviews and EA showed up after like 5 years of letting bioware do their thing for anthem to discover they hadnt even picked what the game should be.

As fun as it is to hate on EA, 'bioware magic' was just doing nothing and to many cooks in the kitchen until the publisher told them to get off their ass and and bioware forced 70+ hour work weeks of crunch to get a product out from anthem on.

Im pretty sure reason why we havent gotten much good since is because all the good creators and devs left for less extreme work cycles and the new folks couldnt work in such conditions.

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u/daniel_22sss 4h ago

Ok, but who installed that management in the first place? All the original Bioware leadership left many years ago.

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u/Beneficial-Act-9933 32m ago

It's been years snice it happened, but wasn't the CEO of bioware, or someone higher up bragging about how Anthem was two years in development and making great progress when the team hadn't even started on the damn thing?