r/technology • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 7h ago

Society New Airbnb rules ban hosts from making guests wash dishes, do laundry & other checkout chores

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/new-airbnb-rules-ban-hosts-from-making-guests-wash-dishes-do-laundry-other-checkout-chores-3420832/
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u/codespace 7h ago

Plus, hotels create jobs. AirBNB just fucks the housing market in favor of microrentals

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u/IsThatHearsay 7h ago

Plus, hotels don't create unknown, irrational and sometimes fraudulent legal liability for the customers.

In a hotel, if you break something, you might have to pay a reasonable fee to fix/replace it.

With Airbnb hosts, even if you are a perfect guest, you're subject to their irrational whims of if you left the place clean enough, or if they claim anything is missing or damaged, and it becomes a "he said / she said" bullshit battle with the host, the company, and your bank.

You never really have that problem with hotels, yet that is a major shared experience among Airbnb guests. And you never know if you're gonna have a good host or a batshit insane one ahead of time.

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u/Goatseportal 6h ago

People are also afraid to leave an honest negative review because they can face retaliation from the host. More he said/ she said bullshit that affects your ability to get future rentals

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u/jonpeeji 5h ago

That's not my experience. Reviews are held back until both parties have submitted theirs.

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u/catwithbillstopay 4h ago

Which is a huge problem. If one party knows the other might be negative, they just won’t review or post.

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u/ERFFFQUAKE 3h ago

Even if you don't review, the system eventually releases the other party's review

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u/puppylust 6h ago

Even worse, some of the latest horror stories include a host fabricating evidence of damages with ai tools.

The amount of research you need to do to feel confident the host is legit and the place matches the pictures isn't worth it most of the time. Maybe I'll do it for a remote cabin, but for most trips a hotel or established rental company is better in every way.

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u/Astrochops 6h ago

I recently had some friends book an Airbnb near me and the photos showed this gorgeous property and surrounding gardens, but when they got there they were confined to a granny flat and the rest of the property was off limits to them. What a scam.

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u/aurortonks 5h ago

There's a known group of hosts in the area I'm in that post really amazing properties at very desirable locations. The prices are always reasonable, but not super cheap so there's no suspicion. However, once you've made it to the area and are going to check in, they suddenly have a 'maintenance emergency' and need to move you to another of their properties, not always nearby either. One that's way less nice, in a shitty or dangerous neighborhood, and has not been cleaned or maintained to acceptable rental levels.

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u/innermongoose69 4h ago

These are on Booking.com too. Happened to me two years ago with a vacation apartment in Germany. Just hours before arrival I got a message that the booked apartment wasn’t yet available and they had to put us in another one across town.

Then we were able to go to the original one a couple days later and it was a dump. Cracked window glass, reeked of cigarette smoke bad enough to trigger asthma, and the wifi was too slow to watch a single Netflix episode. We ended up getting another place and requesting a refund. To Booking’s credit, they did mediate with the host and we agreed to a half refund. We decided to take that deal and cut our losses instead of keep fighting.

Sometimes I look at the reviews for that place just to see if they’re still pulling the same crap. One review from this summer showed the exact same cracked window in a picture. They haven’t even fixed it.

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u/Algebrace 0m ago

I check down at the bottom of the listing. There's usually an advisory (forget the exact wording) that indicates it's an AirBnB or something like that.

Had no idea the first time, booked a hotel at Phan Thiet, came there and was told it was the building next door and it was room that was filled with ants and we had to join the wechat group to ask for help with the toilet.

Horror show.

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u/blankest 8m ago

Ah yes. Travel to a foreign country...to watch fucking Netflix. JFC.

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u/improbablywronghere 4h ago

Just happened to my in laws in San Francisco

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u/lefthandedchurro 4h ago

Oh dang. I had this happen to me like 3 years ago and I guess I got had. They said a flood happened and the unit had to be switched to some random place further away. I felt bad for the owners!!

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u/bunnyguts 3h ago

We had one of these but it was in reverse.

We turned up to the dodgiest of all apartment buildings in a scary neighbourhood and they saw my little family with little kids and moved us down the road to the slightly less dodgy, well secured, more central location.

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u/Max_Thunder 1h ago

How do they avoid it being reflected in their reviews?

I usually book Airbnbs when in Caribbeans, many countries have few hotels and most people rent apartments and I prefer vetted hosts over random people on Facebook groups.

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u/Yoroyo 3h ago

I have been bamboozled by a newly renovated Airbnb that was in a horribly scary neighborhood. Now I always look at the Google map street view cause it’s never represented correctly.

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u/jaywalkingly 7m ago edited 2m ago

I worked for Airbnb to handle issues like this. If it's within a month your friends should file with the phone line for a partial refund.

Caveat: they at least need photos or it's going to be a hassle; if the host confirmed the changes in the in app message thread this ticket would be a slam dunk for me.

AND push them to review. Reviews are the best way to both punish bad hosts and help others avoid them.

Edit: Also Airbnb has a tool to see what the reservation looked like when it was booked, JIC the host changed it afterwards.

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u/fury420 5h ago

Good news, AirBnB is also trying to clamp down on this kind of BS as part of these new rule changes.

...For example, hosts are generally not allowed to:

Ask guests to complete tasks that require significant effort or time, or would typically be performed by a cleaner, including stripping the bed, taking trash offsite, or washing and putting away dishes.

Restrict access to any feature that’s advertised as part of the listing. Any fees for an advertised part of the listing must be included in the price shown to guests at the time of booking. Hosts may include information about fees for optional add-ons, like breakfast service, in their requests.

Impose fines or other penalties on guests. AirCover provides protection for hosts in the rare event that their place or belongings are damaged by a guest during an Airbnb stay.

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u/claudekennilol 5h ago

Is "AirCover" an extra insurance policy you can buy on top of the booking or something?

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u/hockeycross 3h ago

No it is AirBnB’s insurance for hosts. Home owner insurance does not cover minor damage and such a lot of the time.

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u/fury420 2h ago

No, it's the existing insurance that AirBnB provides hosts, using the existing service fee.

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u/PsychoticMessiah 4h ago

I’m ok with stripping the bed or putting towels in the tub. I feel like stripping the bed almost forces them to change the sheets.

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u/CallItDanzig 3h ago

Well I'm not. Im not stripping the bed at a hotel.

My favorite ive seen once to be fair is vacuuming and mopping the floors. As you can imagine I did not do it and nothing happened. Motherfuckers.

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u/Phatferd 2h ago

90% of the time you rent an AirBNB is for a vacation. I'm not doing house chores while on vacation.

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u/SuperPotatoThrow 4h ago

Its just so much easier with hotels, the cost savings isn't worth it, which is going to be fairly marginal to begin with.

The last company I worked for made a rule a year ago banning Airbnbs for all circumstances regardless of where or what it is just because of the bullshit that comes with it. Even if multiple people are involved in travel with a single job. No one has time to sit there and spend hours on end doing extensive research on one owner.

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u/LicketySplitz 5h ago

I’ve seen the same thing with Uber drivers using AI to make it look like they trashed/vomited on the backseats.

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u/anakhizer 5h ago

Is this only in the US? As I've stayed in plenty of BNBs in EU and never had a single issue.

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u/puppylust 5h ago

It would not surprise me that the US has more scams and fraud but I don't know any statistics

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u/StrCmdMan 1h ago

Had a host give us a one star before because we said the place had zero locks on any doors in a high crime downtown area. We stayed there seven nights hardly slept. Everything else was booked.

His mother came by and said “it is fine” then proceeded to fuss us.

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u/tacobasket 1h ago

“Maybe” for a remote cabin is right. I went to a cabin in southeast Oklahoma for a pandemic retreat with my husband and they hadn’t had the hot tub cleaned (a main draw of the cabin and this was in the height of COVID soooo) and then they had the audacity to give me a bad review when we left, accusing me of bringing a dog when we just have a shedding dog and some hair had been dropped from our clothes onto the floor while we were there for 4 days.

Not to mention there was a wasp infestation inside that I was kind enough to leave off my review (regret now that I was being too delicate).

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u/grilled_pc 2h ago

So you’re saying you have to take a billion photos of things like you would when moving into a rental home? But instead its just for a 1 - 2 night stay? Fuck that right off. It aint worth it just to cover your ass and save maybe a hundred bucks IF THAT.

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u/yankeeinparadise 6h ago

I saw a post yesterday where the Airbnb host was charging the guest to replace washcloths and towels. I’ve used Airbnb’s very little, but this makes me never want to use them again.

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u/FauxReal 6h ago edited 5h ago

There was a post a few days ago where at the very bottom of the amenities list was a notice saying that bedding would not be provided and the guest must provide their own pillows, sheets and blankets.

Edit found the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1x9su95/airbnb_wants_you_to_bring_your_own_bedding_hides/

Also found some others:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AirBnB/comments/1fgdu04/house_manual_says_bring_linens_listing/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AirBnB/comments/13rkwot/no_linens_or_towels_in_airbnb_rentals/

This one is an extra charge: https://www.reddit.com/r/AirBnB/comments/xx57u1/extra_charge_for_linens/

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u/chesterismydog 5h ago

That’s ridiculous- who wants to pack that shit. That’s a whole other suitcase.

What made never use an Airbnb was the cleaning fees- and you had to prep most of it. I clean up after myself at a hotel but I don’t have to strip the sheets and take out the trash- just to be charged additionally for it.

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u/FauxReal 5h ago

Interestingly other people commented that this is a thing in France, even before ABnB was a thing. I personally have no experience with that.

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u/Tired_CollegeStudent 5h ago

I know some people do that because they find the idea of hotel linens (and hotel rooms) icky. I personally think that, unless the hotel is clearly poorly maintained, it’s not worth the effort to worry about that kind of thing unless you see evidence of bugs. And bringing your own linens won’t help in that situation.

Hotel linens are probably cleaner than most things you interact with on a daily basis.

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u/Terrh 4h ago

This is often a thing for "cabin" like rentals in Canada and at least some parts of USA.

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u/chesterismydog 4h ago

That I understand. I’ve only ever seen plastic mattresses available when I’ve rented cabins. Perfect for sleeping bags.

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u/macrocephalic 1h ago

I stay at plenty of short term apartments where they ask you to take the rubbish out when you leave. It's just dropping it into the chute on near the elevator though so I'm ok with that.

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u/yankeeinparadise 6h ago

I for one will stick to corporate hotels because that’s where I get the best service.

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u/aurortonks 5h ago

Sounds like a place that should be listed in Hipcamp rather than Airbnb.

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u/FauxReal 5h ago

Is that what it sounds like it is? People allowing you to camp on their property with glamping amenities?

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u/anothergaijin 4h ago

Annnnd this is why we have licensing and regulations for hotels in the first place

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u/fury420 1h ago

I've seen this on a couple of islands that have very limited or poor groundwater, rely on trucked-in water & tanks, etc...

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u/Besmirching_Badger 4h ago

The entitlement is impressive.

'i've paid to rent your house, so i get to trash your stuff'

Explains why guests cause such insane amounts of damage and don't give a shit i guess.

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u/DPKingston 7h ago

Now with genai, they can just make up "evidences" of issues left behind by the guest

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u/COGspartaN7 3h ago

*literaly a screenshot from breaking bad*

They constructed a meth lab and manufactured Meth at a less than 40 percent purity. I demand recompense for the deep cleaning and skin care i now require from using their batch they left behind in the trash.

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u/phoenix0r 6h ago

The quality in general of Airbnb is so insanely unknown. You could be entirely deceived by a few nice photos and end up in a smelly dump.

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u/iindaxd 4h ago

This is what happened to us. Showed up to an Airbnb and the place was an absolute dump. We couldn't stay there; my skin was crawling because it was unclean, furniture was falling apart. It was nothing like the listing. How is that ok???

It left us scrambling at midnight to find a new spot.

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u/Jlolmb1 4h ago

I believe reviews are for this, and ratings

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u/other_name_taken 3h ago

Right?! Don't people read reviews? It's not hard to sniff out sketchy Airbnbs.

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u/phoenix0r 3h ago

I just think Airbnb should get involved and do some real vetting and evaluating on a standardized scale. One man’s 5 star is another’s 1 star. But at least if there was a clear tier system where you knew what you were getting before hand, then it would be easier to deal with.

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u/Jlolmb1 3h ago

Def can be better. Superhost is one thing comes to mind that is pretty clear it is what it says it is. And reviews in all site, not just airbnb, can be faked some. So ya not perfect for sure

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u/iindaxd 3h ago

This was a guest favorite listing with positive reviews and only 1 review from half a year ago with a concern of cleanliness. This is not from lack of experience or work in reviewing before booking and was my first negative experience. I was shocked at how gross it was

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u/No_Musician 6h ago

this x10.  I just want a consistent experience that I can predict so I can deal with everything else that is going on.

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u/zoeypayne 4h ago

This reminds me of why I will always choose hotels. If this happened at an Airbnb, I would be blacklisted and sued for a biohazard fee.

A few years ago, I was in Myrtle Beach for a wedding. The best man got so obliterated I had to basically carry him into my hotel. To get him to calm down about missing the afterparty, I told the front desk guy I would buy him some snacks. The guy was cool, told me to take a few things on the house, and handed over, among other things, a Snickers ice cream bar.

I threw the dude on the sofa bed (calm down, we knew each other, don't make it weird) and left to keep partying. I stumbled back hours later and passed out. The next morning, I wake up to this grown man screaming at me, demanding to know why I shit on him.

I look over, and it is a disaster zone. The idiot had tried to eat the Snickers bar, fell asleep, and let it melt completely into his clothes and the sheets. It took me forever to convince him he had not been targeted by a phantom pooper. When I checked out, I had to look a completely different front desk worker in the eye and explain that the brown stains were chocolate, not feces. I left a $20 tip for the cleaning crew and prayed for death.

An Airbnb host would have called the FBI and charged me $2,000 for a new mattress. The hotel just printed my receipt.

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u/_franciis 5h ago

You can get away with so much shit in hotels. Sometimes I do just want my own apartment though. Tricky

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u/cowboi 5h ago

Someone posted airbnb host charging for staining towels and all kinds of other micro charges.

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u/snak_attak 5h ago

And the pictures look okay but you never really know what an Airbnb smells like. I went to one that had a glade plug in blasting in every room and I am super sensitive to perfumy scents… ugh was awful even after I unplugged them, and the place wasn’t cheap!

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u/SmashesIt 5h ago

Hotels are a lot less likely to cancel on you last second too.

twice Ive had Airbnb hosts cancel on me the week of my stay for some very important life events. Fuck AirBnb

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u/scarletwitchmoon 5h ago

I had to sign an iron clad contract that said I couldn't take any media of the airbnb, which fine. But I think there was other weird stuff added into it that basically implied if I broke the rules, I'd get sued. The airbnb wasn't even nice and I found the biggest dead roach ever. I rated them 4 stars (even though I wanted to rate them 3 stars but I felt like they were the type of hosts that would say I slandered them, or something) and they still messaged me acting as if I rated them 0.

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u/drewtangclan 2h ago

It's happened to me more than once that as a guest staying at an Airbnb I've been confronted by a neighbor or someone else in the building interrogating me because the Airbnb owner has apparently been lying about hosting rental properties, isn't supposed to, etc. and the host has instructed me to say I'm a friend or relative visiting.

I'm a terrible liar, I'm not doing that on someone else's behalf and I shouldn't have to worry about it.

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u/SirPseudonymous 2h ago

That's largely how it is with small business owners in general. Large corporations are monstrously evil as a rule, but they have legal departments that can at least tell them what the laws they're supposed to follow are and generally whatever lackey you deal with doesn't have a personal material incentive to do crimes against you personally (with some very notable exceptions).

Small businesses on the other hand are operated by any dipshit who manages to hoard enough wealth to start one, doing whatever their personal vibes tell them they can do, with a direct personal material incentive to do fraud and other crimes against both their employees and clients.

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u/elebrin 5h ago

But there are some markets that hotels don't service well.

I am taking my family on a trip over Christmas. We are traveling as a group of eight people. Hotels don't have multiroom suites so much, so we are stuck getting several seperate rooms, OR renting an AirBNB.

We are going the hotel route because we found one that has suites, but I was quite surprised to find it. I've booked family trips like this before and I always end up having to get a bunch of rooms.

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u/real_nice_guy 4h ago edited 4h ago

I'm ngl I've stayed in about 45 different Airbnbs (I unfortunately need access to a kitchen to cook when a travel due to dietary restrictions and I've not enjoyed my time at Extended Stay hotels) and I've never had these issues.

However, that's probably because I do a lot of due diligence on properties before staying and only stay places with above a 4.9 rating and more than 15-20 ratings.

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u/hollaback_girl 3h ago

Hotel breakage fees are not that reasonable. One of the things that made AirBNB attractive before it got enshittified.

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u/whataboutthemapples 2h ago

This! A friend of mine came to Paris. Stayed at a place that would have issues like electricity constantly shutting off. It would happen while they showered or cooked. Quite dangerous, nevermind that the apartment would have electric heating so it could also get freezing at night.
Anyhow, they checked out and that same day the host messaged them and starts accusing them of turning off the power for their standalone freezer. My friend didn’t touch it. Then the host starts blaming them for ruining all their frozen food they a few days earlier and makes them cover the costs (haul from Picard, supposedly). My friend refused and they ended up litigating. But what a nightmare!

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u/allchattesaregrey 32m ago

The issue is that they have the mentality of “you’re staying in my house” (even when it’s an investment property they’ve never been to and manage from afar) and they treat it like a space where you’re supposed to walk on egg shells rather than somewhere that lets you take a load off, which is why you’re there in the first place.

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u/magyar_wannabe 6h ago

I stayed at one in a European city recently. The location on the listing was wrong by a few blocks - in my case not a huge deal because the "new" location wasn't really worse, just different. Someone in the building asked me if I was staying in an Airbnb, I said yes, and they said, "Hmm Airbnbs are not allowed in this part of the city". So that explains why the location was listed wrong! Oh well, not my problem I guess.

The coffee maker didn't work. The shower sprayed water all over the bathroom until I personally scraped off the mineral buildup from the shower head. The AC basically turned off at night when I needed it most due to noise restrictions.

After all this I still gave 3 stars, and an honest review because the unit had some positive qualities too. Then the owner had the gall to ask me to change or delete the review because it hurt his average. WTF, no dude...maybe don't lie in your listing and have the basic necessities be functional?

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u/phoenix0r 6h ago

I refused to stay at any Airbnbs on my euro trip because the quality is all over the place, even worse than here.

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u/themaincop 2h ago

Go see if your review is still there. It's likely the owner was able to get the platform to remove it. The real rating scale on there is 4.5-5

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u/giollaigh 2h ago

I stayed at a place where the photos were not of the unit I was in - they showed a table that didn't exist, so because we arrived late when no restaurants were open, we basically ate on the floor. They also didn't disclose beforehand there was no thermostat and that you could not flush toilet paper (this was in the US, so quite unusual, which made it difficult to remember). I think the shower faucet hot/cold indicators were also backwards so we were confused by that for a minute. Anyway it was so hot in there that I didn't sleep and we checked out early. The host removed my (GENEROUS) two star review, so I contacted support to have it reinstated, but she removed it AGAIN. We went back and forth a few times and I eventually gave up and swore not to use Airbnb again.

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u/avanross 6h ago

Hotels provide earnings to workers for performing work, airbnb provides earnings to wealthy property owners for sitting on their asses and hoarding land

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u/ibribe 6h ago

You say that like the hotel owners don't get a cut.

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u/schtickybunz 6h ago

Indeed. I know an elderly lady that STRs out her home's upper floor which helped her pay for a new roof and foundation. So not all Airbnbs, but ALL Hotels for sure are wealthy property owners.

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u/SkinBintin 3h ago

Their point is more that at least hotels employee staff. So at least a little of your money is going to supporting more than some wealthy property owner.

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u/nohandsfootball 55m ago

I feel like the OG Airbnb use case (spare room in someone's place) was/is fine, because it helped people like this (ie - i stayed with a woman in NYC whose roommate had moved out and my week helped her make rent, etc.) and people would feed you, let you eat out of their fridge, etc. It was a step up from couch surfing, not a way to destroy housing markets.

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u/colenotphil 7h ago

Excuse me, being a landlord is a full time job /s

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u/perplexedtortoise 7h ago

Grossly underpaid as well, that's why I tip my landlord every month. 20% is the bare minimum

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u/Past_Paint_225 5h ago

I used to pay my landlord $2600 to make sure 24x7 the dinky 1 bed apartment I lived in was "liveable". That's $3.6 an hour, below minimum wage. It is my responsibility to tip my landlord

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u/JGits 6h ago

Random thought popped in my head while reading your comment that is consistent with your point. We still call them landLORDS. Time to call the guests serfs I guess

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u/Gtyjrocks 7h ago

Why the sarcasm? For many, it is. At least if it’s going to support you and provide you a livable wage, you probably own/work for a company that owns a ton of properties that needs lots of upkeep and maintenance.

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u/Suitable-Economy-346 5h ago

That boot is all the way down there, isn't it?

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u/Gtyjrocks 5h ago

I like to rent. I like being able to fill out a form and someone’s fixing issues in my apartment within 24 hours, often less. It’s nice knowing i can leave without having to go through the process of selling a house.

Therefore I need landlords to exist and don’t have a problem with them making money for providing those services, renting out the place, and making sure it’s good for the next tenants (which often take much longer than you think). Not to mention the initial capital for the purchase of the property has to be earned somehow.

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u/davidrsilva 5h ago

The problem is that many are charging too much; as much as possible regardless of effect on the renter; “SOMEONE will rent it at this price”. Also, many landlords don’t do the bare minimum required, let alone making it “good for the next tenant”.

It requires money and a little bit of work to rent out properties. It’s not a hard earned income and I don’t feel for the landlords. Most are charging too much, not providing enough, and act like jerks. (Not all, but I’d say most)

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u/angwilwileth 6h ago

I really wish hotel rooms with kitchenettes were more common. I have food allergies so eating while traveling can be problematic.

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u/FatesUrinal 6h ago

Weirdly one of the nicest rooms I’ve ever had was in Tonopah NV at the “World Famous” Clown Motel. Full kitchenette, spacious, remarkably friendly and down to earth staff. If you don’t mind the horror clown motif and being next to an old miners cemetary it’s a perfect rest stop lol.

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u/scarletwitchmoon 4h ago

wtf that sounds so macabre and whimsical. I'm staying here now.

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u/FatesUrinal 4h ago

I’m a guy who loves horror movies and the occult so for me it was incredible. I was helping a lady friend of mine to move across country from the east coast and my only real demand was that we went there. It was out of the way after Las Vegas (She was moving to LA) but we both loved it.

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u/renaissance1977 5h ago

I misread this at first as microorientals and thought you were implying small, Asian people had a control on the rental market.

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u/scarletwitchmoon 5h ago

Plus, hotels actually give you points/rewards and membership discounts if you are loyal to a hotel chain.

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u/mixrm0n 1h ago

This, plus Hotels actually have breakfast. The 'nb' in Airbnb is typically meaningless

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u/jmlinden7 5h ago

Hotels create jobs by hiring staff to clean stuff.

Assuming AirBNB hosts actually abide by these new rules, they will also be forced to hire the same amount of staff to clean stuff

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u/codespace 5h ago

Hotel staffers are frequently unionized.

AirBNB is a union busting company.

Don't book with scabs.

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u/Ok-Couple-8705 4h ago

It’s crazy the amount of people who have the perspective of “if anyone has anything more than me they are an evil rich person” most people don’t own a mega portfolio of airbnb or rental properties. It’s a slightly above average person who sacrifices to build life to get a foot outside of the rat race. We built an Airbnb on my mom’s property and make a whopping $2000-2500 a month on average. Not enough to exactly live a life of leisure…I have a friend who did the same and he owns one other standalone Airbnb. Most people are in the same boat just trying to get ahead not “destroy the housing market” as you stated.

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u/codespace 3h ago

Sure is a lotta words to tell us you lick boots for fun on your off time, bud.

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u/PMs_You_Stuff 2h ago

Most people literally do not care of the down stream affects of their actions. They just want the most convenient or cheapest option at the cost of anything.

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u/GLPwonderwall 2h ago

Are you not factoring in the house cleaning, property maintenance and lawn maintenance jobs it creates? And you only think it’s bad for the housing market because you don’t own one I’m sure

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u/codespace 14m ago

What's your favorite flavor of boot polish?

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u/obsidianop 7h ago

It's true that Airbnb reduces the supply of rental units and this increases prices, but this also means that increasing supply (such as building more housing) reduces prices.

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u/codespace 6h ago

Wow, you must've taken economics 101.

Didn't pass it, mind you, bit you certainly attended the first lecture.

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u/obsidianop 6h ago

What is your model of economics 301 that has a one-directional demand curve?

I encounter this all the time: people don't like the implication of a basic economics model that explains most things, approximately, most of the time, so they imply they're operating at a much more sophisticated level which they can't actually explain, because really, all the thought that's gone into it is "something something Airbnb landlords bad".

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u/lamancha 5h ago

That doesn't really happen