BioWare is closing down.

[u/TheocraticAtheist]

[u/LuNoZzy]

ME3 it's still one of the best games of all time. Even with its original infamous ending.

[u/vinng86 → u/LuNoZzy]

Yeah, a lot of the original outrage was because the game was 10/10 all the way up until the ending.

[u/WeevilWeedWizard → u/vinng86]

Ehhh, the game was great don't get me wrong, but a 10/10? With Kai Leng? I respectfully disagree. 3 has a lot of issues besides just the ending.

[u/Overlordsniper → u/WeevilWeedWizard]

Fucking Kai leng man, been a while I actually bust out laughing.

I played ME3, 4 times.

[u/WeevilWeedWizard → u/Overlordsniper]

I've played 3 so much Kai Leng just kinda slides right off my brain now, his presence no longer registers. But every once in a while a neuron gets fired again when he's on screen and I just sigh.

I hate it because I think he's not actually that far from being a decent character. The main issue I have with him is how he's treated as this hot shot rival to Shepard, but I just have such a hard time really buying a single guy as an equal to Shep on the battlefield. If instead he was the only one who saw himself as a rival to Shep but everyone else just saw him as this cockroach that's tough to kill, but fundamentally will always just be a nuisance.

And if we're min maxing getting Kai Leng to a shit character to a mildly interesting one, just change the one scene where TIM is suprised he wasn't able to beat Shep to TIM just not being suprised at all.

Idk, Kai Leng is just such an outlier in a series with otherwise really solid characters all around.

[u/Mantergeistmann → u/WeevilWeedWizard]

The easy thing to do would have been for Kai Leng to instead be whoever was left behind on Virmire, rebuilt from the ground up like Shepherd was after orbital re-entry. Gives a character, background, conflict, drama, the cybernetics are why they're an equal to Shep... 

[u/tentegesszmeges → u/Overlordsniper]

less annoying than hanar, elcor and volus /but volus have some shine in the process/ - Charge!

[u/vinng86 → u/WeevilWeedWizard]

I always forget about Kai Leng lol, but to be fair he's a relatively small part of ME3

[u/WeevilWeedWizard → u/vinng86]

I hate how much of a lasting impact he's had on me. You're right he's in like 4 or 5 scenes, but those suck so bad they stand out.

[u/vinng86 → u/WeevilWeedWizard]

Yeah, but in your defence those scenes are also in required missions!

[u/Quintzy_ → u/vinng86]

IIRC, a lot of the original outrage was because the lead dev very clearly said that it would NOT have an "A, B, C" ending, and then that's exactly what it ended up having.

[u/mk36109 → u/Quintzy_]

it wasn't even an a b c ending. its was basically "blue A" "green A" and "red A" ending. and most of the ending didn't even make sense it seems like they wrote everything up till right before you get to the star baby thing with some degree of sense and cohesion, and then they just used a random word generator to spit ball ideas that had nothing to do with the rest of the story after that.

Wasn't there some sort of rumors about them having to rewrite the original ending from scratch last minute because parts of it got leaked? All I clearly remember from the time is that marauder shields tried to warn us and we killed him

[u/LuNoZzy → u/LuNoZzy]

I liked Kai Leng

[u/greatpugsley → u/LuNoZzy]

It had a hate campaign when it came out so I skipped out. Only ever played ME1 and 2, which I loved.

[u/tentegesszmeges → u/greatpugsley]

oh boy. I wish i was in your place today. Try legendary edition, u will be not disappointed.