r/pcmasterrace • • 7h ago

News/Article BioWare is closing down.

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u/DeaDBangeR 7h ago

Every form of journalistic media had the same title in their reviews of DA:Veilguard.

“A return to form.”

They had to buy their way into every media outlet to make the game look like it was Origin but better, instead of actually creating a game that was true to its name.

The game actually made me enjoy the other Dragon Age installments less.

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u/Ashmizen 7h ago

I don’t know how it could be a return to form when it’s the first DA to completely ditch the DA gameplay.

2 and inquisition might not have as good of a story as Origin, but the gameplay is the same and still satisfied fans.

Veilguard ditched the one good thing left in the DA series, the tactical aspect, even though BG3 showed the tactical RPG’s have a huge market.

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u/DoktenRal 6h ago

Yeah i didnt even bother with veilguard because it looked the furthest yet from DA:O, which they started moving away from with DA2 imo, trying to make it more like ME. Tragic too, because I agree BG3's success seems like a huge indication that they'd be hugely successful actually returning to form with DA:O style gameplay.

Tragic loss for gaming imo, but nothing lives forever

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u/ImminentDingo 2h ago

Possibly. I don't see any games doing big numbers with DA:O style real time with pause. Turn based tactical, though. 

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u/DoktenRal 12m ago

True enough, but stuff like Pullars of Eternity and the old-school Baldur's games are similar enough because they ran turn-based underneath the realyime feel. Imo BG3 makes me feel like it's an "if you build it, they will come" situation

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u/SchlitzHaven 6h ago

What killed it for me was the complete keep removal and no real choice carryover from previous games. That's like the hallmark of bioware games and they completely done away with it.

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u/Nova225 3h ago

IMO 2s combat system was very solid and had they simply made a game with an Origins level story and used that combat system, they would've been golden.

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u/Mindless-Depth-1795 3h ago

What? 1, 2 and 3 all had significantly different gameplay models.

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u/Chudleyboy 5h ago

Inquisition in particular was not the same gameplay wise

People point out pretty obnoxious pronoun scene

But the main issue with DAV vs dao or da2.. was how you could react treat the world/party members.. in the most recent game it was completely sanitised

Whats funny is that EA/Bioware every installment moved closer to action gameplay and further from slower more deliberate combat.. because they believed that it wouldn't sell

But then bg3 comes along with modernised but similar combat to DAO.. but also gave you the personal choice to do whatever you want (that old Dragon age, mass effect had) and makes huge amounts of $$ and wins awards and huge acclaim

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u/Verraise-Mage 1h ago

The tactical/strategy RPG genre has been having a huge renaissance the past 5 years

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u/angry-mob 44m ago

That’s exactly why we shouldn’t be sad BioWare is closing down. There wasn’t an original cell left in that body. It became what everything we love in this world will become when corporate greed gets its fingers in there, a husk of itself driven by people who don’t even enjoy the games that made them who they are.

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u/Hayden_Zammit 5h ago

"Return to form" doesn't mean going back to the same systems, it just means going back to a previously higher standard of quality than they had been at recently.

Which is true for Bioware as Anthem sucked and DA:V was definitely made to a level more like their old stuff. Before Anthem was Andromeda. I liked that a lot more than DA:V, but it did ship pretty rough.

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u/ButtoftheYoke Laptop 7h ago

That tagline was so disconnecred from reality. It implies that they would be moving away from Inquisistion yet its story, visuals and humor was basically Inquisition part 2. It also implies they would be more like Origins, yet there is no Origin style start.

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u/ExReey 6h ago

I finished Veilguard, because I kept hoping 'the good part will come any moment now!', but you know, it never came. It's really a very bad RPG, with a terrible story and some of the worst written dialogues and characters in the history of gaming.

I hope the writers of this abomination will never touch a game again.

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u/pobredireitista 3h ago

I hope the writers of this abomination will never touch a game again.

Bad news buddy, the writer of this crap was hired by Bethesda. These ppl tend to fall upwards. They took control of the industry from the inside out like a virus because they only hire their buddies that share the same dumb views. They need to be purged before anything can get better.

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u/Adventurous_Wave_806 4h ago

Veilguard was a combination MMO and morality sermon. Not one of the worst games ever made, but one of the most banal.

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u/maldouk i7 13700k | 32GB RAM | RTX4080 6h ago

it's a bit werid for me, Veilguard is the only DA I played, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. It's not the greatest, but not every game has to be a 95/100 to be enjoyable.

What I believe to be true though, is that the game is really subpar compared to its predecessors, but that it's a pretty okay game in a vacuum.

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u/ButcherPetesWagon 6h ago

In a vacuum it's fine. Like a 7/10. It's boring, bland and forgettable which is a giant slap in the face to fans of what Bioware used to put out. I finished each dragon age at least once. Veilguard was so boring I dropped it early. I couldn't tell you about a single party member besides Scout Harding and that's only because she was in Inquisition.

It's a monument to capitalist greed in gaming.

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u/Impressive_Pop1246 4h ago

I would say it is more a monument of toxic positivity and woke ideology.

They stopped making what gamers wanted a while back

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u/FureiousPhalanges 6h ago

I played every Dragon Age as they were released and I have the exact same opinion as you

Veilguard isn't a fantastic Dragon Age game, but it's still a fun game in its own right and I had a good time playing it

I'd still put it head and shoulder above Inquisition, I genuinely don't get why folks seem to like that one lmao

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u/DeaDBangeR 5h ago

I am actually jealous of you to be able to experience DA: Origins for the first time. The combat is a lot less flashy than Veilguard and rather more tactical, but the beauty lies in the RPG elements the story has to offer.

Highly recommend!

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u/zarofford 7h ago

I saw a lot of “journalistic media” that properly criticized the game. Can we not act like IGN is the only gaming news website in the world?