r/pcmasterrace • • 8h ago

News/Article BioWare is closing down.

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u/ShreekertheJamisWack 8h ago

Weird times we live in where player counts are at an all time high yet everything is closing and shutting down 😭

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u/KarmaViking 3060Ti + 5600 budget gang 💪 8h ago

The entire industry became the plaything of investors and their shitty CEOs. What am I saying, that’s the state of the whole world.

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u/ComputerIlliterate13 8h ago

Yeah I mean at this point what aren't investors and hedge funds ruining? Shutting down your favorite restaurant, killing all the stores in your local mall, even getting their grubby fingers into kids sports and pricing out the kids who need it most. Its reached the point where either something is done about it or our entire way of life gets snuffed out for greed.

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u/augustschild 7h ago

...and once they've completely ruined the thing they've purchased, they'll blame everyone but themselves.

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u/PJballa34 7h ago

Sadly they don’t even care. They ruin it and bail out right before the shit hits the fan and take their golden parachute.

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u/Stunning_Jaguar7882 7h ago edited 7h ago

It's the endgame of capital accumulation, essentially. Scarce few major players in any sector are actually directed by people who worked their way up in their given industry specifically, and that means the major decision making is based purely on short-term profit motive because the CEOs and board members are all just finance people. Everything feels "soulless", cynical, and like a cash grab because it all is at this point. And most companies who don't follow that path just fall behind when competing for the massive pool of investment money, with few exceptions.

There was a time when, more or less, the people at the top had been in their industry for years or decades and brought their experience and hopefully their passion with them, but we're well beyond that now. Like you've listed, all of those industries are being run by finance people with no interest in the long-term good of the actual industries listed. Even restaurants have their own venture capital funds.

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u/godhammel 6h ago

There is a reason the board game Monopoly only has one winner

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u/WithersChat 6h ago

And once the winner has won... nothing happens anymore.

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u/Academic_Limit1189 5h ago

Yes... and no. There has and always will be a market for high quality games made with "love". Hollow Knight, Hades, Lies of P, Satisfactory, Abiotic Factor, BG3, Expedition 33, etc. These types of games draw in the players that were never enticed (or as easily influenced) by the monetary "strategies" of seemingly soulless games. i.e. Microtransactions, preorders, repeatedly buying into a brand/series despite trashing on it (*cough* CoD players).

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u/AnswerFeeling460 6h ago

It broke somewhere at the end of the 2000s and got really perverted after 2018. I wonder how a 2026ies Witcher 3 would look when it was released today.

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u/NumeralJoker 5h ago

It broke after 2 Republican Presidents and congresses royally fucked people by enabling decades of corrupt investment and offshoring.

Though Clinton too was part of that process, unfortunately. And even Obama was too weak to meaningfully counter it.

Ironically, Biden was actually starting to fix it if you paid close enough attention, but no one did and he had to clean up after Trump and was old, so here we are. With everything getting much worse, much faster.

It's because people who most need to vote to change it listen to social media vibes more than they pay attention to any actual data. They care more about the middle east than their back yard. Or conversely, they care more about the skin color of their neighbor than they even do their own family. Or they care about skin color in mods more than they care about protecting the rights of real people. I don't blame people for being upset about post COVID inflation, but the guy they voted for was the worst possible person to fix it.

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u/AnswerFeeling460 3h ago

conquer and divide

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u/Agreeable_Mention963 1h ago

Down with the aristocrats!!!

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u/Cipher508 12m ago

Funny I was having a discussion like this with my dad today. That our entire economy is built on consumption. Nothing is built to last anymore they want you replacing everything as soon as possible and it all comes down to GREED.

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u/Zoesan Ryzen 9 5900X, 32GB DDR4-3600, Sapphire Nitro+ Radeon RX 5700 XT 6h ago

Make shit game

Nobody buys it

Studio closes

"fucking investors"

Only on reddit man

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u/PJballa34 7h ago

Private Equity fucking ruins everything it touches.

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u/ChancelorReed 7h ago

I think you need to go familiarize yourself with the early gaming industry, basically every game studio that made something notable that wasn't Nintendo shit down like a year or two after whatever groundbreaking release.

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u/Verraise-Mage 2h ago

Companies starting from the 80's?

  • Sega
  • Capcom
  • Squaresoft/Enix
  • Konami
  • Koei/Tecmo
  • EA
  • Bandai Namco
  • Falcom
  • Ubisoft
  • Atlus
  • Naughty Dog
  • Rockstar
  • Bethesda

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u/TheRaccoonReport 7h ago

Private equity ruins everything. Its kinda like when my 8 year old tells me how to hook up and use our travel trailer/camper. Its cute, but if I listened to her, it'd be catastrophic. This is pretty much how PE works in businesses. Everything is a data point to them and they have no clue how these companies actually function, nor what made them successful. They suck the soul out of everything for massive profits.

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u/Icanfallupstairs 7h ago

It's not that they don't know, it's that they don't care. Their sole goal is to extract more than they paid for it, and they want to do it as fast as possible.

Nothing is set up for longevity, as it doesn't need to be for them to profit 

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u/2hurd 7h ago

Too much capital, too much money printing, not enough businesses to store this money into.

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u/AnswerFeeling460 7h ago

True, same in cinema and the two big streaming services.

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u/koosekoose 1h ago

Private equity firms like blackrock took people's retirement funds and dumped them into entertainment companies for the sole purpose of pushing social narratives. The end result was every company went bankrupt and Trump got elected.

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u/acoastaldog 8h ago

They would rather repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot than listen to the fucking customer base they serve. Then they’re also surprised when prioritizing advertiser money further alienates players 

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u/muradinner 7h ago

Not only do they not listen to the customer base, they actively insult the customer base when the customers try to tell them not to do something stupid. Then they act surprised when their product fails.

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u/MoistAutist 25m ago edited 22m ago

I'm a game dev for big and small companies. 

Rain the down votes, but listening to players is not really helpful. Players say everything and anything all the time from every direction. 

That would be like asking a class of preschoolers how to make lasagna from scratch. Yeah maybe they get a couple things right (tomatoes! Yayy) but it's mostly gibberish. Testing is genuinely one of the most important things in game dev, but that is not remotely the same thing.

I think the true issue with a studio like  Bioware is a lack of a singular vision. You can see it in Anthem and Andromeda really bad. A cool idea marred by design -by-committee execution.

These big studios lose their way when they start listening to focus groups and voting on gameplay in the studio. Games need a small core vision held by a few people unwilling to compromise. When studios get too big and the core of them is exhausted, they turn to stuff like focus groups and outsourcing designs and the soul of the companies dies.

Its why Rockstar is evergreen. The core team is the same and they still want to make what they make and they refuse to compromise.

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u/Spend-Automatic 7h ago

They only care about profits and the customer base is completely out of touch with that. The companies do not give a fuck about making good games because good games are not as profitable as the games that milk you for every dime. 

They aren't shooting themselves in the foot, you just think they are because you want them to make good games, but that is not their prerogative.

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u/Automatic_Art_4469 6h ago

See the neat thing about not caring about what consumers want is eventually people will leave

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u/Cartz1337 4h ago

For every consumer like you, there are 10 that happily buy FIFA ‘26 or Madden or NHL ‘26 at full retail despite those games essentially being reskins/minor updates of the previous years game for this entire decade.

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u/Verraise-Mage 2h ago

Was that Bioware's target audience?

FIFA changing would be a terrible idea because it already has a huge fanbase who want it to stay the same otherwise they would stop buying it. FIFA is an example of how listening to the fans makes more money, their fans just like it how it is,

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u/RightRudderr 5h ago

Ok in Biowares case they havent made a commercially successful game in a long long time so this makes sense, but you all are talking about gaming companies in general and thats where this doesn't make any sense.

For the last two years there have been so. Many. Great. Fucking. Games. It seems like every week theres a banger 9/10 dropping from somewhere, both indie and AAA. So in actuality, companies are listening to gamers and largely making games customers want, and the industry is still as volatile as it is. So what then?

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u/AnswerFeeling460 7h ago

True. That's why I am even not really sad about the industry imploding. I was not their customer anymore since nearly ten years.

Good new creative things will grow out of the ashes.

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u/pfft_lol000 6h ago

See Blizzard for further examples

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u/NumeralJoker 5h ago

This is the harsh truth. We build up the very industry that turned around and spat in our faces because we weren't dumb enough to be blindly exploited.

So they then turned and found those who are instead.

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u/CockerspanielBalls 4h ago

Lol "good games are not as profitable" fucking nonsense. They just cant make a good enough game to be profitable hense why they result to shit scum tactics to extract as much money from their dedicated whales and why they no longer exist as a company. 

What's surprising to me is they basically didn't make a profitable game for a decade yet were allowed to exist for that long and be responsible for 3 of some of the largest RPG video game franchises to ever exist. Utterly astounding.

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u/Verraise-Mage 2h ago

Diablo Immortal is Blizzard's highest-earning game.

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u/AugustusInBlood 6h ago

because what gamers want does not please investors.

The only thing that matters is getting sales and doing it with as little overhead as possible.

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u/RollTide16-18 5h ago

Well when you're a AAA studio you obviously have to massively surpass your last sales figure with every new game! So screw your loyal customer base, you better add MORE content, and change MORE things to make everyone want to watch!

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u/MudSeparate1622 5900x 5080 64gb 3600mhz 1h ago

Yet videogames are more profitable than ever? Wake up. This isnt from not listening to gamers. This is the industry and its being steered the same way movies were into a corporate suit. It will make money or its worthless.

It takes time money and energy to make stories for a market where we all have our own bubbles. sure massive hits come along that sensationalize the industry like battle royales and extraction shooters but they're so few and far between that the gambles are less worth it each year. Its incredibly difficult to make games that are the relatable fantastic story we want with the graphics as high as a AAA studios bleeding your pockets can and everyone has to compare EVERYTHING all the time.

We have expectations for AAAS that we dont for indies, as if money decides creativity while indies get game of the year because they can afford those risks the AAAs are going to keep shutting down. Were seeing the same clones of eachother as its harder and harder to put all that money into developing something that isn't a planned money maker. This is why everyhing you see approved these days comes with a shop or micro transactions. They have to subsidize the production because the AAA industry has become gambling for most developers.

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u/solthar 7h ago

They might want to pull a barve.

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u/licorice_hater 4h ago

What the consumer base wants isnt as easy as back then though.

If you ask many people in this thread theyll point to the newest dragon age and insist its because of "woke" writing. Ive seen a few "Baarve" comments here. I admit, I wasnt a big fan of the very sanitized writing itself (conflict, horror, missing in-universe racism as an allegory to real racism)

But plenty of "woke" games succeed (BG3) and plenty of non-woke games flounder.

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u/Bitter_Season4791 7h ago

I would argue they are being canabilized by larger corps, who keep the top 10% for themselves and discard the rest.

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u/Shmirel 7h ago

Well you can't really keep on operating forever if you release shit games back to back for almost 2 decades lol

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u/elinamebro PC Master Race 7h ago

I guess because they want games that have those players pay in game transactions so they keep making money off those games.

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u/2hurd 7h ago

Thank MBAs for that. Greed is ruling gaming for a long while and the quality of games has fallen significantly. That's why AA titles and indies are the best new releases because every AAA is just released to make the numbers go up on a PowerPoint presentation.

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u/Sinsanatis Desktop Ryzen 7 5800x3D/RTX 5070ti/32gb 3600 7h ago

Production costs, at least with western triple a, are also at an all time high. Ballooning as a blistering rate

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u/BestDescription3834 7h ago

Jim Sterling, love or hate them, said something that resonated with me 10ish years ago.

Roughly

"Companies would choose no money rather than some money if they can't have all of the money."

They are not content with just having a successful game that turns a profit, it needs to also continue producing piles of money for minimal development cost. They want a live service game people will shovel money into but refuse to invest the money and talent it takes to maintain those games.

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u/FirefighterKey9396 6h ago

The owners got high on their own supply... huffing bot farts.

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u/Powerful-Mine-4316 5h ago

They figure why bother making a game when they can mass produce a bunch of shitty mobile game products with cash stores that make them millions.

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u/BeepBoopIAmACat 5h ago

It's almost like the whole csuite thinks that amazing games are going to make themselves... wait a second.

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u/Vytral 4h ago

Not everything. It is mostly western studios. Just look at Capcom it makes one banger after the other

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u/wildcatofthehills 4h ago

Two big things that are affecting developers is surely Free to play and the cost & time of development. Specially for more niche developers for rpg games and the like.

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u/saskir21 4h ago

If you make games that costs a 3 digit mil amount it is hard to survive. Although it is funny that some of the most liked games are indie titles which cost only a fraction.

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u/Ode1st 4h ago

Weird times we live in where people suddenly like Andromeda

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u/Repulsive-Lie1 3h ago

Players counts have peaked and plateaued and without infinite growth, modern large businesses are deemed poor investments.

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u/One_Peanut_4002 3h ago

They only care about revenue, Fortnite and loot boxes ruined the industry for every game

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u/swagonflyyyy 3h ago

I feel like live service might have something to do with it. Must be hella expensive to run these games.

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u/Devilsgospel1 2h ago

Plenty of new devs have stepped in.

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u/Cipher508 15m ago

Its because these huge well known companies keep putting out broken crap games. The majority of my friends lists now plays good indie games.

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u/GoofAckYoorsElf i7 8700K, 64GB G.Skill TridentZ F4-3200, RTX 3090Ti FE 7h ago

... where TV shows get 90% on Rotten Tomatoes, and are cancelled after the first season...

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u/Luccacalu 7h ago

Capitalism needs to go down