r/pcmasterrace • • 7h ago

News/Article BioWare is closing down.

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u/throwitaway_tdot 7h ago

I think dragon age inquisition sold a lot and even won goty, although in a weak year.

Granted, it doesn’t seem to have held through time compared to origins.

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u/zak55 7h ago

Inquisition was their best selling game. Plus ME 3 came out in 2012, which is only 14 years ago.

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u/ArstanWhitebeard297 7h ago

That’s 2 console generations ago. A lot has changed. 

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u/xX7heGuyXx 7h ago

This, the amount of time is wrong, but still, BioWare has long not been the group of people who made those great games.

Sucks because I love the Mass Effect universe, but they had zero idea what to do with it after the Reaper War and seemed really reluctant to just make another game during it from a new perspective or even just make a fucking MMO outa it.

Just a waste of essentially Star Trek + Star Wars that worked really well.

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u/TheFourtHorsmen 3h ago

Inquisition was crosplatform, but we can be right on saying they didn't release a decent game in the past 2 generations (current one, and xbox one/ps4 gen). Andromeda was a failure, anthem was a failure, veilguard was a failure.

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u/ArstanWhitebeard297 3h ago

I was more referring to ME3, Inquisition was panned badly when it released although I liked it. 

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u/countdorkyala 5h ago

ONLY?

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u/zak55 5h ago

Its within 15 years!

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u/Cultural_Mastodon_69 R9 5900X | RX 6900 XT | 64 GB 3600 MHz 4h ago

Some of us work on Bethesda timelines.

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u/AlterExpertise101 13m ago

Original comment so no hits in the past 15 years. Dude was pointing out that ME3 was 14 years ago.

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u/Sad_Ghost_Noises 4h ago

Fuck off. 2012 was like two years ago, max.

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u/Extreme996 RTX 4070 Ti Super | Ryzen 7 9800X3D |32GB DDR5 6000mhz 6h ago

Inquisition was released in 2014 which was very poor year for RPG. I never managed complete it because 90% of content I did was just bloat fetch quests.

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u/Ice278 RTX 2070 // Ryzen 2600x // 16gb Ram 7h ago

That was 12 years ago

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u/GrenHamblett 7h ago

I didn't hate Inquisition on my first playthrough, but I loathed starting a new game.

Holding R2 to attack is such a boring change from the CRPG roots the series had. (We're not talking about DA2)

And for the love of god, maybe they've patched it now, but the HAIR in Inquisition is some of the worst I've seen in ANY game with relatively good graphics. The beards look like someone smeared shit on their faces, literally.

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u/EverythingSucksYo 6h ago

And then there’s me who replayed the game several times to try out all classes lol 

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u/GRoyalPrime 7h ago

Inquisition will always have a fond spot in my memories, given it's the first game I bought for my (at the time) completely new PC bought from my first few months of wages.

Even if I also remember it being a bit of a mess already. Like who had the glorious idea of having the introduction to the main villain in the DLC of the previous game? That's just ass.

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u/Jayden82 RTX 3080 12GB - Ryzen 9800 X3D 6h ago

I’d been awaiting a solid RPG on my PS4 and it was one of the first I remember coming out so I played the shit out of it, so it’ll always have a soft spot for me too 

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u/A_Drop_of_Colour 2h ago

Inquisition took me years to finish because I kept getting burn out. But even when the gameplay got tedious, old Bioware knew how to write characters. Dragon Age still remains to this day, the only series where I have completed it with every race and done every romance.

And still with all that I have tried and failed to finish Veilguard since it came out. Opposite problem as Inquisition, fun game play and poor characterizations.

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u/WntrTmpst 5h ago

To be fair if you had previously played 2 and it’s dlc it would have been way cooler.

I’m still stuck in who made the architect and corypheus look like the same damn person.

Also technically solas was the bad guy, but that plot point was so contrived I ignored it entirely. Apparently the rest of BioWare did as well considering veilguard

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 6h ago

Inquisition would be a classic if they hadn't Wowified the fuck out of it and filled it with fucking mobile game mechanics to try to force daily engagement

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u/A_Drop_of_Colour 2h ago

What mobile game mechanics? Genuine question, not being snarky. I've 100% Inquisition on two consoles (three if you count that I had to 100% it for both 360 and then XBox One because of separated achievements). I don't remember any game mechanic that required daily engagement.

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u/scraw2k 1h ago

War table wait times probably, I mod that shit out every time.

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u/A_Drop_of_Colour 43m ago

Ahh, okay. Yeah agreed. I always forget about the war tables. I played on console so couldn't mod them out but after the first time I completed the game I just changed the Xbox time to complete most of them.

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u/Melodic_Crow_3409 6h ago

Inquisition felt to me too much like a lightweight MMO. It gave me Guild Wars 2 vibes. I never finished it.

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u/dkcraftbbq 7h ago

inquisition was a pile of hot garbage, it sold on the name, the game itself was a mess.

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u/fishvoidy 5h ago

i'm sure a lot of people feel nostalgic about Inquisition, but if you jump into it immediately after playing Origins and DA2, it slaps you in the face with how much of a huge backwards step it actually was.

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u/alpacadaver 6h ago edited 6h ago

The moment I cleared through a bunch of mobs and then had them spawn behind me on a one minute timer is the moment I uninstalled it. Wow already exists and it's better. And Origins still exists and it's better.

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u/dkcraftbbq 6h ago

Yep, impossible to play tactically

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u/Dixa 7h ago

Bull. The game was fantastic. Better than 2. Better gameplay loop than 1.

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u/dkcraftbbq 7h ago edited 6h ago

My first impression into the game was meticulously setting up one of of the opening battles. I moved each of my companions into positions, set up their orders, readied, actions, spent like 30-45 minutes reading through all the abilities and making sure I was good to go. Started the battle and every single character straight up ignored "hold position" and undid all my work. Found out other players were all having the same issue and that "hold position" was treated by the AI as a suggestion, not a hard order. No fucking thank you. I can't speak towards how much fun you may have had with the game, how good or bad the story was, etc. All I can say is they absolutely massacred the tactical playstyle of the franchise that I purchased it for. Quickest refund I ever made.

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u/Dixa 6h ago

I question may have had an overhead strategy mode but the game was very clearly designed for more moment to moment combat. I knew this going in. I preferred it as I find turn based gameplay slow and tedious. So this is a non issue for me.

But I guess we shall gloss over the fact that origins ai wasn’t any better unless you could figure out the convoluted systems.

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u/dkcraftbbq 6h ago

I think that's fair if you didn't want to play it from an overhead tactical standpoint. HOWEVER, Origins practically redefined the genre. It was the biggest breath of fresh air in tactical RPGs since baldur's gate 2, and opened up the doors for games like Pillars of Eternity, Divinity, and I'd argue even BG3. I went into Inquisition expecting those systems to remain in tact, and was completely blindsided by how poor the minute controls were. Felt like they pulled a Mass Effect on me and I wasn't happy about it.

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u/Dixa 6h ago

You also didn’t have to pause origins ever. Thats what was new about it. It could just be played in real time and done so successfully

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u/IceC0re 6h ago

Agreed that it's better than 2 in basically every aspect. It is definitely not better than 1 in any aspect, that's for sure.

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u/Moromom22 7h ago

I partially agree. I've played hours into it but the mmo style gameplay threw me off. The classes feel so uninspired. I don't plan on finishing it but it had it's charm.

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u/Prophet_Tenebrae 6h ago

I know it started life as an MMO (so the story goes) but it genuinely feels like a massive over-correction from all the criticism of DA2.

People didn't like the game being just one city? Fine. Have a dozen different areas that are all huge and very distinct.

There's not enough to do? Here, have a bunch of busy work tasks to while away the hours.

Too short? No problem, just the starter area will take ages to do!

Enemies die to quickly? Here, have enemies that are spongy like a mother fucker even on the lowest difficulty setting.

It's not bad but it's funny to see it so overstuffed with busy work content like it was an Assassin's Creed game where you can be 30 hours in and still find new minigames.

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u/Deeppurp 7h ago

If they trimmed up hinterlands a bit it might have had some staying power.

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u/Snoo-28829 7h ago

I actually enjoyed dragon age inquisition but it was the last game I bought of theirs. The new dragon didnt look like aomething I would be interested in so I never bought it.

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u/Prophet_Tenebrae 6h ago

I'm not sure I've seen anyone say anything nice about Veilguard.

If it was Generic Fantasy RPG, I think people would have been kinder to it but it's not.

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u/EverythingSucksYo 6h ago

I think the later game went on gamepass a while ago so I tried it and I did not like at all. DQ Inquisition was one of my favorites I remember replaying it many times to try out all the classes. Only played Veilguard for like 2 hours before calling it quits. 

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u/Own-Refrigerator7804 5h ago

And how long ago was that?

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u/CaleanKnight 5h ago

Inquisition was the last gasp of a Studio that was already beset by internal Bullshit and Mismanagement.

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u/AlsoOtto 5h ago

And even that is 12 years old next month.

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u/palehighelven 2h ago

It was a shell of what made the original Dragon Age good. It sucks for the people losing their jobs but that franchise was in a downward spiral ever since the first game.

Every installment moved further and further away from the CRPG format and with it went my interest in dragon age every time.

Then adding insult to injury, baldurs gate 3 came out which proved CRPGs are still massively popular if done right and I always felt like that could’ve been BioWares success if leadership had a shred of vision in what made the original dragon age cool.

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u/Silvertip_M 1h ago

I enjoyed inquisition far more than I did Origins, but to each their own...

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u/koosekoose 16m ago

And how about Veilguard?

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u/Less_Avocado980 7h ago

Ironically 2014 (the year DQ: Inquisition released) was a pretty good year for Wii U (or Nintendo games in general)

It had Donkey Kong: Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2 and Super Smash Bros for Wii U

And on the 3DS site we had Tomodachi Life, Super Smash Bros for 3DS and Pokemon ORAS

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u/nekomata_58 | R7 7700 | 4070 ti 6h ago edited 6h ago

Origins > Inquisition for sure.

Inquisition has almost no replay-value with no actual branching choices that matter. When I played Inquisition back in 2014 I was disappointed and was extremely surprised to see it win GotY.

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u/Saphira2002 6h ago

Origins aged like milk in everything but the narrative elements in my opinion. It's so clunky to play now.

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u/fishvoidy 5h ago

not to mention that it's literally unplayable after a certain point on PC without a mod to fix a critical memory leak issue.

i'm typically "whatever" about remakes, but Origins was one i was really hoping for at some point.

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u/Saphira2002 4h ago

I was too scared for how they'd murder the writing to be happy about gameplay in a remake lol

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u/fishvoidy 4h ago

oh, if they touched any of the writing i'd be pissed. lmao