r/pcmasterrace • • 7h ago

News/Article BioWare is closing down.

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u/Gesha 7h ago

The legends, as in the people that made it legendary, have long since been gone. This is just formalizing what was already the case.

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u/StoicSunbro 7h ago

Exactly. Game studios are not like the Ship of Theseus. You cannot replace core creative talent like planks.

They are like bands: once core members leave the music never sounds the same. Bioware has not been the same studio for many years.

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u/chmilz 6h ago

Relevant music trivia: Saliva (of Click Click Boom fame) still produces music, but is an entirely different band than the one people probably think of or hear on the radio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saliva_(band)#Timeline

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u/ThePrussianGrippe AMD 7950x3d - 7900xt - 48gb RAM - 12TB NVME - MSI X670E Tomahawk 6h ago

That’s kind of wild.

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u/chmilz 5h ago

An interesting philosophical question about when might be the right time to rename a band. Do the current members even feel like they have a real identity? When they tour and play the hits from the first 4 albums, are they just a cover band?

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u/pyronius Compooter 3h ago

Imagine what must go through the minds of the original members of a band like that.

Like, imagine they start a band in high school, spend years touring, and eventually all leave the band one by one as they get older. But then, one day, years after the last one left, they all get together for a reunion at somebody's house when they hear on the radio that their band is going to be playing a show in town soon. They look around the room and realize that every original member of the band is right there, but they are somehow not that band.

If they decide to jam, what band is playing?

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u/chmilz 3h ago

I wonder how the legalities would work if the original members wanted to do a reunion tour. Imagine if the current band said no.

I'm sure there's some established music industry legal stuff around joining and departing a band, but is there any precedent for this?

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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_8102 4h ago

I bet they all individually think "hell yeah, I'm playing in Saliva..." and none of them ever broaches the subject of whether they're actually the band they think they are

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u/GodsIWasStrongg 4h ago

Old Crow Medicine Show is similar. I think they only have one core member that's been there since the beginning.

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u/chmilz 3h ago

Eh, there's a ton of well known acts where the frontman is the only permanent member. Heck, virtually every pop artist operates in that realm. Might be less common in rock, but it's not uncommon.

The entire band changing over, including the frontman and/or creative force? That's extremely rare.

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u/Safe_Reading6267 6h ago

You are so right. Art is not plug and play. Specific visions come from specific people!

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u/SexcaliburHorsepower 5h ago

You can be successful, but it requires leaderships and confidence in minimal or singular creative leadership.

Many American studios have become design by committee, which leads to a bunch of ideas trying to coexist unnaturally. Creative leaders mentoring and allowing the next creative leaders to take their shot is needed.

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u/Ccrew1995 4h ago

I think ultimately the thing that is killing great studios are executives that mistake themselves for creatives. A rich guy in a suit that has never played video games cannot be trusted to decide what will connect with gaming audiences. Theres a reason indie studios with 5 geeks and a dream are pumping out bangers right now.

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u/alendeus 2h ago

I'm gonna go against the grain and say no, any company can be a ship of Theseus. But the important part is it has to be nurtured, there needs to be a culture of not only hiring proper talent, but also both teaching the newer hires the lessons of the old, and then allowing them to develop said talent.

A quick example is Disney animation, they've been around for over 100 years now, and have had multiple eras of success with completely different teams. The 9 old men of old 2D weren't there for the 90's "renaissance", and the 90's people were largely gone for the 2010's CG boom.

I unfortunately don't have similar examples for games on the tip of my tongue, maybe it's because games are a newer art form, maybe it's because they're actually even more of a commercial product. Regardless, the point is that in theory it should be doable to have a multi generational successful studio, if managed properly.

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u/Paratrooper101x 7h ago

I wonder what will happen to the IPs. The saudis clearly just care about milking fifa for every last cent they can

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u/Gesha 7h ago

If we’re lucky they’ll sell them off in time. Big if :(

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u/cah11 7h ago

Speaking as a Command and Conquer fan, it won't happen. They'll just sit on the IP's collecting dust until they eventually enter the public domain so they can occasionally put out a shitty mobile game and collect some revenue from the property this way.

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u/Tiavor never used DDR3; PC: 5800X3D, 9070XT, 32GB DDR4, CachyOS 6h ago

they could make them public domain now if they wanted to.

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u/Wiiplay123 http://steamcommunity.com/id/Wiiplay123/ 4h ago

But what about a low budget Command and Conquer horror movie?

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u/cah11 3h ago

Listen, if they can get Joe Kucan back out of retirement to play Kane, I don't care how cheesy and low budget it is. I'll watch it and like it!

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u/grampybone 6h ago

>put out a shitty mobile game and collect some revenue from the property this way.

Like they did with Dungeon Keeper in 2014. I’m still angry about that one.

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u/SgtDoakes123 7h ago

I would do UNSPEAKABLE things for a Larian made Dragonage. You hear that Swen? Sick twisted things.

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u/Tyr1326 7h ago

Id also be very interested in Larians take on Mass Effect. Just kind of interesting how theyd handle scifi. Or shooting mechanics.

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u/SgtDoakes123 7h ago

Many IPs I think Larian would absolutely nail. Dragonage, ME, NWN... They're the new bioware

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u/Latter_Panic_1712 4h ago

I'd prefer for Mass Effect to be bought by CD Projekt Red. I think they'd make it a blast better than Larian.

Let Larian take the Dragon Age IP.

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u/Barobor 6h ago

I don't think Larian wants that. They seem much happier developing their own IP.

Swen said the team wasn't excited to continue anything D&D related. That's why they aren't making a BG4. I doubt they would pay money to run into similar issues with Dragon Age.

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u/SgtDoakes123 6h ago

I know, but one can dream.

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u/Towaum 5h ago

Shhhhh, I can only get so hard..

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u/Wan_Daye 5h ago

Just have them redo 3 and 4 and we can pretend the previous ones didn't exist

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u/Emergency-Draw3923 7h ago

I think anyone being even a little realistic knows what will happen....

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u/FeedbackInhibit 3h ago

I know EA has been going down a shitty path for a while now, and BioWare basically offed themselves, but make no mistake: the new Saudi owners will cater only to the gun-and-ball mouthbreathers going forward.

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u/Mean_Ass_Dumbledore SteamOS / i9-12900K / EVGA 3090 K|ngp|n / 32 GB RAM 7h ago

Someone revive Anthem, please 🥺

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u/SnowUnitedMioMio 7h ago

. The saudis clearly just care about milking fifa for every last cent they can

The Saudis had EA since a decade or more? Damn, didn't know.

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u/Cruel2BEkind12 Threadripper 1950X/gtx 1080ti/32gb RAM 6h ago

They gave Saber kotor so who knows who might get the others.

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u/Paratrooper101x 6h ago

EA doesn’t own Star Wars…

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u/Cruel2BEkind12 Threadripper 1950X/gtx 1080ti/32gb RAM 6h ago

Just because you get the rights to the star wars brand. Doesn't mean you can just remake whatever you want. You still need permission from whoever owns the copyright.

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u/Paratrooper101x 6h ago

That’s my literal point dude. Ea owns BioWare IPs. They’re not just going to “give them to saber”

Disney owns Star Wars. They can give it to whomever they like.

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u/JeremyTheJimbler 6h ago

It’s been just a hollow shell for a long time now. It finally had to be put down.

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u/determinedpopoto 6h ago

Them firing Mary Kirby is when I knew it was over