r/pcmasterrace • u/Away-Huckleberry9967 • 1d ago

Meme/Macro Let's check it out on Github

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u/inactivesky1738 :CachyOS: 9700x: RX 9070 XT 1d ago

Ngl I think if it keeps up its pace and gets a handful and real devs on the project.

And assuming no legal troubles I could see it being accomplished feature complete given a year or maybe 2

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u/FineWolf pacman -S privacy security user-control 1d ago edited 1d ago

I doubt there will be legal trouble.

Suing someone that created AI derived work for copyright infringement and winning would create a precedent that would kill Adobe's own AI products.

(I'm actually rooting for that timeline however. That would be a fitting end for that industry)

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u/TheNorthComesWithMe 1d ago

Adobe is the only company that actually gets permission for their training data.

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u/ItWasVampires R7 5800X | 3080ti | 32gb 1d ago

Was that before or after the drama a couple years ago when they updated their TOS to say they can use your art/images to train their AI and you had to accept those new terms in order to keep using (or even uninstall) their software?

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u/santoriin 1d ago

That's what they say but they are currently being sued in multiple class action lawsuits that claim otherwise. 

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u/superxpro12 20h ago

You can bet your ass there's a cool billion being shuffled to top lawyers around the country to think of new up protections for this shit. And it'll no doubt end up further restricting the concept of ownership.

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u/LimitedWard 1d ago

Why would you assume that would be the basis for their legal argument? There's like a million and one ways they could choose to sue them.

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u/jdm1891 18h ago

you root for the timeline with evermore suffocating intellectual property systems?

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u/viral3075 12h ago

Adobe's own code wasn't what was stolen by this project

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u/pianodude7 9h ago

that's assuming logic holds over money in a courtroom. I wouldn't be so sure about that bet

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u/Away-Huckleberry9967 1d ago

That's what I'm thinking. It lacks a lot of the right-click menus so far, these functions are probably hidden in other menus, but this will change over time and then be a perfectly fine alternative to Gimp, Krita and the likes. (I never got into the GUI of Gimp, although I respect it also for its longevity.)

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u/panmaterial 19h ago

It was funny seeing posts about how they made a 1-to-1 copy of photoshop and it's identical and it was clear the people had never used photoshop. I installed it and took me under a minute of just random clicking around to see it was nowhere near and I could not use it for anything real. So many things missing or broken.

It would be nice if it became an actual usable program, but I won't hold my breath.

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u/FlorpCorp B350 + R7 5800X3D forever 1d ago

Real devs don't want to work on a massive vibeslop codebase.

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u/Mickey-the-Luxray 1d ago

Or they could take that real dev resource and put it towards Krita, a stable, non slop application that could always use some additional help

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u/dbmajor7 1d ago

I mean yes but also, GIMP exists already

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u/inactivesky1738 :CachyOS: 9700x: RX 9070 XT 1d ago

Gimp is not a 1 to 1 photoshop clone. Like the alternatives are good but it’s not like photoshop

(Coming from someone who has never used photoshop ain’t paying for that shit lol)

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u/dbmajor7 1d ago

It's pretty damn close I used PS and now gimp . Didn't really hit friction (when making memes, I'm not a pro or anything)

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u/SaveUsCatman 1d ago

Real pros make memes in ms paint

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u/dbmajor7 1d ago

I was trying so hard not to say it...

I run Fedora, no MS paint for me

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u/Horat1us_UA 1d ago

Real pros use Paint though Wine 

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u/SaveUsCatman 3h ago

I appreciate you holding back, but it was bound to come out

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u/Away-Huckleberry9967 1d ago

Lucky you then, Photocraft is available on ALL platforms.

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u/inactivesky1738 :CachyOS: 9700x: RX 9070 XT 1d ago

We are like the blind leading the blind peas in a pod lol.

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u/CheckMateFluff Desktop AMD R9 5950X 4.3 Ghz, 16GB DDR4 3000mhz, RTX 5060TI 16gb 1d ago

I've used both heavily over the last decade. Photoshop is easier out of the box, gimp is free. If you are not as tech-savvy, you might get away with Photoshop, but gimps interface is not as intuitive, and features are harder to find.

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u/fabulot 5800X3D | 3070 1d ago

IIRC there are plugins to "transform"gimp into photoshop so the interface is closer to what users know.

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u/CheckMateFluff Desktop AMD R9 5950X 4.3 Ghz, 16GB DDR4 3000mhz, RTX 5060TI 16gb 1d ago

There's an inherent problem with that. And it's that you need to be tech Savvy to install a plug in so you wouldn't have that problem if you knew how to do that.

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u/dbmajor7 1d ago

I mayka da mema

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u/tiajuanat Specs/Imgur here 19h ago

I used Photoshop and Creative Suite for many years, and every time I've switched to GIMP has been very painful. Everything takes about 3 times longer for me to do and several more clicks, if the feature is even available.

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u/mxzf 1d ago

Making an alternate GIMP UI that makes it look like Photoshop is dramatically easier than making a Photoshop clone, but somehow that has never taken off.

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u/B1g_BuddhAH 1d ago

everyone who recommends gimp has never done much more that edit a thumbnail in it...

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u/dbmajor7 1d ago

I make weekly memes with it, nothing else

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u/B1g_BuddhAH 1d ago

yeah, props for being honest. the problem with gimp is not that it lacks capabilities, its how theyre implemented and that they are hidden between the most steaming pile of hot garbage of an UX expierience possible. and that hasnt changed in 20years. i cant count how often i've heard "just use gimp" by a dev as a graphic designer and it makes me quite rabid...

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u/Farranor ASUS TUF A16... 1 year of hell 1d ago

I wanted to make memes with it back when the popular style was Impact font with a white fill and black stroke. To this day, GIMP achieves that effect using layers and paths that have to be redone every time you change anything. XnView MP is a glorified photo gallery and even that has text stroke. Hell, I'd rather do it in FFmpeg via styled subtitles than in GIMP.

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u/IrvineItchy 1d ago

But even paint is enough for that lol

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u/MatiasPalacios 1d ago

Honestly, I always end up using a free editor like Pixlr rather than GIMP; the UX in GIMP is awful.

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u/Divinum_Fulmen 1d ago

This is blatantly false. I've followed photoshop tutorials using GIMP. Never have I wanted for a tool. Only have I struggled with finding it by another name, or the features of one thing in different places.

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u/PETA_Parker 1d ago

gimp is practically unusable for someone who is used to normal software

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u/Away-Huckleberry9967 1d ago

Thank you. I never understood the Gimp GUI. It's gotten better over the years and I respect that, but boy I tried and then tried Krita and others. This one felt like home. I'm excited to see it grow.

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u/FineWolf pacman -S privacy security user-control 1d ago edited 1d ago

GIMP is terrible. It's been decades and they still outright refuse to implement or accept PRs that implement a vector shape tool/layers.

It's a GNOME sponsored project marred by GNOME-esque terrible decisions.

Photopea or even Affinity under Wine are better options.

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u/LegendofRobbo 1d ago

gimp is pretty substandard if you want to do anything more than making memes

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u/fesnying 1d ago

Photopea in browser is actually great as well. I've heard there's a GIMP plugin (? I can't think of the word -- migraine) that changes it to look more like Photoshop.

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u/Varwhorevis 1d ago

GIMP is barely a tier above using Paint

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u/panzzersoldat 1d ago

I'm not gonna lie I tried gimp that shit is so ass 💔

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u/Maruzan 1d ago

No one serius uses GIMP

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u/Fawesum 1d ago

GIMP is awful. Photopea is where it's at.

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u/blandjelly 4070 Ti super 5700x3d 48gb ddr4 1d ago

Gimp is terrible, krita is so much better and still free.

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u/amshegarh 3070 Ti, i7-11700, 32GB DDR4, 980 PRO 1 TB 1d ago

You have no understanding of the situation, not only gimp is an actual gimp in photoeditor race, it has a different ui (and that is a dealbreaker for many, however small that may seem)

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u/chucktheninja 1d ago

Every single time i have tried to use gimp it was a buggy mess that crashed if i picked certain colors in the color wheel.

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u/someone2795 1d ago

assuming no legal troubles

Doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 1d ago

Assumptions also with "keeps up the pace" and "gets 'real devs' on the project."

AKA "assuming the progression is linear" (so many people do this with LLMs; it is not and never will be a guarantee) and "as soon as not-LLM-only code is in there" (which is a massive leap to "make it actually work like the product, not just look like it).

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u/whooptheretis 10h ago

And assuming no legal troubles

This can't be legal though, right? Isn't it breaking some copyright?

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u/inactivesky1738 :CachyOS: 9700x: RX 9070 XT 10h ago

That’s the Crux of it. It’s a clean room implementation. So there is no code that has been copied. Only the functionality, and you can ‘t copyright the function of something “like clicking this button does this”

Depending on how copyright holds out the fallout will be interesting.

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u/whooptheretis 10h ago

you can ‘t copyright the function of something

You absolutely can. In fact that IS what gets copyrighted, not the code.

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u/inactivesky1738 :CachyOS: 9700x: RX 9070 XT 10h ago

That is like someone copyrighting the ability to submit a file via a “submit button”. No one can say “you copied me” for having a submit button or as another example. GIMP can be made to look and act like photoshop and not have it be a copyright issue.

That is why it is legally speaking it will be interesting. Because on paper they essentially recreated photoshop using publicly available photos images and videos and made a unique implementation of the features in rust using AI.

So depending on if there is a legal battle the outcome will be very interesting.

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u/whooptheretis 10h ago

That is like someone copyrighting the ability to submit a file via a “submit button”

You can't copyright something as generic as that. You can't just copyright anything and everything. Companies will try to copyright somethign as broad as possible, but the copyright office will push back and try and make it as specific as possible.